Should the bucs trade rice for a high 1st round pick

[dlnjr90]

Should the bucs trade rice for a high first round pick if one of the teams wants to trade for him? :confused:

[Ol' Som]

Not if we want a chance to win Superbowl XLI.

[The A-Plane]

Yes but no team is going to want to give up their first round draft pick for Simeon Rice.

[jmiller21KG]

no way that is a waste

[SPTBBucFan4Life]

I don't think we should even if a team did want to. I mean, we already have an established player in Rice. What if the player we spend that 1 rd. pick on turns out to be a bust? Yeah, there's also the plus of us making room on the cap by trading Rice, but I really think he's worth the money. I think if anything should be done with the d. line it should only involve doing something with McFarland (trade, cut, restruct. contract) or giving Dewayne White the starting job over Spires (something I would really like to see done).

At the very most, ask Rice to restruct. his contract.

[TiM-GoBucs]

We'd be lucky to get a 3rd for rice, no team spends a 1sts on a 30 year old Vet that can be inconsistant.

[Q-man]

If the Bucs can trade Rice for a High....
Do you mean top 8 or better pick?
If so, yes, in a heartbeat!
But, who are you gonna find dumb enough
to trade a top 8 pick for Rice??


Go BUCS!

[DUTCH IS BACK]

I don't think we should even if a team did want to. I mean, we already have an established player in Rice. What if the player we spend that 1 rd. pick on turns out to be a bust? Yeah, there's also the plus of us making room on the cap by trading Rice, but I really think he's worth the money. I think if anything should be done with the d. line it should only involve doing something with McFarland (trade, cut, restruct. contract) or giving Dewayne White the starting job over Spires (something I would really like to see done).

At the very most, ask Rice to restruct. his contract.

Restructuring isn't the solution. It only moves the caphit to the next years of the contract. He needs to take a paycut, it's as simple as that. His base salary is about 8-9 million next season and this doesn't include his signing bonus that will count against the cap.

We also have Brooks with a caphit of well over 11 million.


You guys are crazy if you really think these 2 players are worth over 20% of the total cap.

[SPTBBucFan4Life]

Pay cut is pretty much what I meant......

[DUTCH IS BACK]

Pay cut is pretty much what I meant......

Ok.

But as you might know there is a huge difference in taking a paycut and restructuring a contract.


Anyway I'm glad to see we agree on this one. :D

[BearLandBucFan]

Restructuring isn't the solution. It only moves the caphit to the next years of the contract. He needs to take a paycut, it's as simple as that. His base salary is about 8-9 million next season and this doesn't include his signing bonus that will count against the cap.

We also have Brooks with a caphit of well over 11 million.


You guys are crazy if you really think these 2 players are worth over 20% of the total cap.


No CBA = no restructuring allowed BTW. You can only establish new contracts or terminate existing contracts.

THAT is one of the reasons why we have to follow 2 paths.

No CBA?

Brooks, McFarland, Rice, Quarles, you can kiss them all bye bye

sucks, but that would be one path that we might be forced to take.

[All_da_way]

Should the bucs trade rice for a high first round pick if one of the teams wants to trade for him? :confused:

High first round pick?

How high?

If really "high" then pull the trigger. :eek:

[Fightin Irish]

I think what he meant by high, is liek a 25th or higher pick. Could be possible to trade to the broncos for thier 2nd pick. I dont really think they'll mind taking a 30 year old vet, cuz they're built to win now.

[SPTBBucFan4Life]

Ok.

But as you might know there is a huge difference in taking a paycut and restructuring a contract.


Anyway I'm glad to see we agree on this one. :D

Yup, totally agree. I just said restructuring because I thought that and pay cut meant the same. I see I was wrong, though.

[ecBuc82]

No CBA = no restructuring allowed BTW. You can only establish new contracts or terminate existing contracts.

THAT is one of the reasons why we have to follow 2 paths.

No CBA?

Brooks, McFarland, Rice, Quarles, you can kiss them all bye bye

sucks, but that would be one path that we might be forced to take.



right because no cba = no cap = restructuring is pointless



however, the nfl WILL at the very least extend the current cba if it comes to that

[dlnjr90]

i would trade him for a high first round pick :lol:

[SPQRBucs]

A HIGH 1st round pick? That's a laugh. No team in the right mind would trade for an aging DE that can't play the run.

A team that needed a DE that has a high first round draft pick will be able to draft either Mario Williams or Tamba Hali. A team may trade a late 1st rounder for Rice but at that point, the Bucs lose. Either way, Rice will be asked to restructure his contract and if he declines, we may be waving goodbye.

[bluetick14]

How about trading him for a 2nd round and a pick in the 4th or 5th to Detriot. Rod M. is there now and might like to pair Rice with Kalimba Edwards. Hey they might even throw in Charles Rogers. I think that is a little far fetched, but anything is possible.

[JudgeDredd]

Only if we get a solid chance to get Mario Williams.

[Psykes]

Rice isn't the problem with the d-line. You might want to move a couple positions to the left.

[Confuzed Azn]

How about trading him for a 2nd round and a pick in the 4th or 5th to Detriot. Rod M. is there now and might like to pair Rice with Kalimba Edwards. Hey they might even throw in Charles Rogers. I think that is a little far fetched, but anything is possible.
No way in hell I'd want that, Rogers is set to make over 6 mil next season. I'd rather wait until they cut him and then sign him via FA.

[Clayton80future]

Only if we get a solid chance to get Mario Williams.


Not even for the best defensive end prospect to come out of college since Julius Peppers. We don't have to worry about age with Rice until he actually shows it. He had almost 15 sack last year at age 31 and has shown no sign of slowing down at all. Defensive ends can last in to their mid-late 30s.

Now if it's the money, then I would understand.

[freedog]

hell NO... double digit sacks this year, come on guys????

[Pantera Canes]

If the Bucs can trade Rice for a High....
Do you mean top 8 or better pick?
If so, yes, in a heartbeat!
But, who are you gonna find dumb enough
to trade a top 8 pick for Rice??


Go BUCS!


Not sure how high their pick is, but there is some idiot GM who the Lions don't ever seem to want to fire. :D

[Hawxter19]

Rice has his moments, and then you get nothing from him the rest of the game. Some games he doesn't even show up, like the first Panthers game. Simeon is a one trick pony, he just rushes to the outside, some times it works, a lot of times it doesn't. It doesn't help that McFarland is an after thought to most OLines, but come on, try something new. This defense depends on a solid pass rush from the front four, but that's been lacking way too often.

That said, it may seem that I'm anti-Simeon, but I'd like him to stay, just not at the price he's at. I guess if McFarland is replaced, and someone could get some pressure up the middle to free up Rice, he might be worth his price tag.

[Pantera Canes]

That said, it may seem that I'm anti-Simeon, but I'd like him to stay, just not at the price he's at. I guess if McFarland is replaced, and someone could get some pressure up the middle to free up Rice, he might be worth his price tag.


I don't get it either. I have always been a fan of Rice's since he came into the league with the Cards. But I am a fan of the team first. So if I say we get one or more high draft picks for a guy who is 30 and making over 1/8 of our salary cap I am automaticly against him and a Rice hater.

So if we just lose Rice due to him costing too much of the cap or him not wanting to be here, what will these people say then. At least it would be compensation. Plus, you would hope that using the draft pick you would get a guy who will be in the NFL after Rice retires and will contribute. Not to mention some cap reliefe which could help to resign other players and improve certain positions.

Rice is a great player. He is very physically gifted in his athletcisim. There will come a point soon where age and years of playing pro football will start to show. The only way you get something for a player is if you move him when he has a good year and looks to have a few years left. Its hard to trade a player who is starting to decline based just on his name and what he use to do. With his salary, age, and also seems he might have a little displinary problems if sent him home right before a game, his time is limited one way or another. Nice to say someone retired a buc, but if they retire a buc then you have a void there, instead of getting someone in return who you hope to contribute.