AJ Hawk

[DiamondtrimJdaz]

Any thoughts on this Badass LB outta Ohio?

Rumor mill says he'll go in top five, can the Bucs use him?




P.S. thanks to the others for heads up about this forum, didnt even know it exsisted.

[nolesfan4life]

who do you trade to move up into the top 5?

[backrow]

he WILL be top 5 barring some unpredictable situation and we have no leverage to get him...

[bigmike777]

Would I LOVE to see him in a Buc uniform? Yes.
Will it happen? No.
Even if we COULD, Gruden's not going to trade for a top five pick and then pick a defensive guy. Just ain't gonna happen.

[DiamondtrimJdaz]

Hawk is just outta hand...I guess for me its one of those.."Man, I wish we had....." kinda things. Just curious to hear others thoughts on him.

How would it be possible to aquire him, and if we could would we?

[bigmike777]

Hawk is just outta hand...I guess for me its one of those.."Man, I wish we had....." kinda things. Just curious to hear others thoughts on him.

How would it be possible to aquire him, and if we could would we?

See above posts. :rolleyes:

[nolesfan4life]

Hawk is just outta hand...I guess for me its one of those.."Man, I wish we had....." kinda things. Just curious to hear others thoughts on him.

How would it be possible to aquire him, and if we could would we?
its almost impossible to trade up into the top 5 from where you are picking in the 20s. If a top 5 team is going to trade back, they generally still want to stay in the top 10, unless they're recieving 2 1st rounders instead. You really don't have much value in this years 1st rounder, and next years 1st rounder to trade in because you just won your division, so even if you drop a little bit, which probably won't happen, you'll be picking late teens at worst. and that isn't enough leverage to get into the top 5

[MarleyMon81]

We'd basically have to give up the farm (maybe close to our entire draft pick lot and a player) to move up that far to get Hawk. He's an amazing LB and I would love to have him in Tampa, but he just doesn't seem like the kind of player I'd dump that much into to get him.

[Confuzed Azn]

AJ is a freak of nature at OLB. Greenway is very close in talent and skill to Hawk and would be a more plausible choice.

[Blue Devil]

How would it be possible to aquire him, and if we could would we?
From what most of the mock drafts i've seen tell me...and common sense tells me...Hawk will go to the Packers at #5...we could package some extra picks to move up...but it's nice having all of our draft picks the past couple of seasons...so I doubt we'll package a 1st and 3rd or anything like that...but we do have some trade bait with players...

...Rice for example...we have White to back him up...and Rice is still a 10+ sacks a year type of player...but he makes way to much...the Packers have a lot of cap space to account fot Rice...so this is possible...package our 1st rounder and Rice and send them to the Packers at #5...

We also have guys like Brian Griese and Anthony Becht who are also expendable with Smith and Simms stepping up this year...if Favre leaves...then the Pack might want a quality vet. backup in case Rogers busts...which happens a lot with Jeff Tedford products...

...this however is all wishful thinking...and by any stretch of the imagination...won't happen...I would love to have a player like this...the possibility is there...but it's slim...

[Q-man]

AJ Hawk is top 8 talent.
22nd Bucs pick is unrealistic to even think
that a trade could be made to get him.
AJ would look good for the Bucs, tho!

Go Bucs!

[MarleyMon81]

If I had to go LB for the Bucs in the first, I'd go with Maryland's D'Qwell Jackson. He's listed as a MIKE but at 6-1, 231 lbs. he's probably better suited for the outside. The "experts" say he's too small for LB...they said the same about Brooks in 1995 (DB is 6-1, 235... ;) )but in the Bucs system he's perfect with his sideline-to-sideline speed and pursuit.

He'd be my choice and there's a good chance he'll be there at #23. They still seem to be looking for an eventual replacement for Brooks at WILL. Jackson would be pefect IMO.

[DiamondtrimJdaz]

Thanks guys, I appericate the replys. Hawk is prolly my favorite pick coming out of the draft and I knew the only way I'd see him in a Buc jersey was by playing Madden, I was just curious about your comments on the titan.


GO BUCS!!!!

[O-State-BUC]

I would give anything I own to have that man play for us. He just flat out dominates. It would be scary to think of what he could learn and how much better he would get playing in our defense with Monte and DB. He is a class act and a nice guy too, very down to earth. I met him at a bar once here in Columbus. I just keep hoping we don't have to play against him often cause he is my favorite Buckeye and it will be hard to root against. But I guess its the same as when Will Smith or Gamble went to our division rivals, you just get over it.

I am holding out hope that his teammate, Carpenter will somehow slip to us in the second. That probably wont happen either but its much more likely than AJ being a Buccaneer.

[Ruger7mmmag]

If I had to go LB for the Bucs in the first, I'd go with Maryland's D'Qwell Jackson. He's listed as a MIKE but at 6-1, 231 lbs. he's probably better suited for the outside. The "experts" say he's too small for LB...they said the same about Brooks in 1995 (DB is 6-1, 235... ;) )but in the Bucs system he's perfect with his sideline-to-sideline speed and pursuit.

He'd be my choice and there's a good chance he'll be there at #23. They still seem to be looking for an eventual replacement for Brooks at WILL. Jackson would be pefect IMO.

I got to watch Both Greenway and Jackson in practice today. Wish AJ was here to see him. Guess he's too busy hanging with Quinns sister. I'll post pics in my other thread later so you guys can see them of Jackson and others. As for Jackson, he didn't stand out from the other guys much today IMO.

Greenway looked pretty good though!

[MarleyMon81]

Huh, thanks for the update on Jackson, Ruger.

[Confuzed Azn]

If I had to go LB for the Bucs in the first, I'd go with Maryland's D'Qwell Jackson. He's listed as a MIKE but at 6-1, 231 lbs. he's probably better suited for the outside. The "experts" say he's too small for LB...they said the same about Brooks in 1995 (DB is 6-1, 235... ;) )but in the Bucs system he's perfect with his sideline-to-sideline speed and pursuit.

He'd be my choice and there's a good chance he'll be there at #23. They still seem to be looking for an eventual replacement for Brooks at WILL. Jackson would be pefect IMO.
Good to see I'm not the only one on the D'Qwell bandwagon, Marley. I'd love to see the guy in red and pewter.

[The Future]

Anyone could use a player like AJ Hawk, but who is willing to trade up and get him?

[chileno]

If I had to go LB for the Bucs in the first, I'd go with Maryland's D'Qwell Jackson. He's listed as a MIKE but at 6-1, 231 lbs. he's probably better suited for the outside. The "experts" say he's too small for LB...they said the same about Brooks in 1995 (DB is 6-1, 235... ;) )but in the Bucs system he's perfect with his sideline-to-sideline speed and pursuit.

He'd be my choice and there's a good chance he'll be there at #23. They still seem to be looking for an eventual replacement for Brooks at WILL. Jackson would be pefect IMO.

Marley, is he going to be your Alex Smith equivalent for this year?

It'd be a pretty good choice.

[MarleyMon81]

Marley, is he going to be your Alex Smith equivalent for this year?

It'd be a pretty good choice.

I haven't selected my pre draft man crush this year yet. Usually early to mid March.

Do I really have a rep with this Alex Smith thing last year or something? :cool:

[UCFjayrod09]

Do I really have a rep with this Alex Smith thing last year or something? :cool:
Yeah you really do, I don't think anyone thought that he had what it takes to come in and be a big contributor as a rookie. It's just one more reason why pretty much everyone on this board respects you and your opinions.

[MarleyMon81]

It's just one more reason why pretty much everyone on this board respects you and your opinions.

I appreciate that, UCF. :)

[Ruger7mmmag]

In mentioning Jackson Marley, it's important to note he still looked good. Not saying he wouldn't work here. He may have just been having a "slow" day with his footwork. The South's team is at practice by me this afternoon I believe. Anyone you want me to look for? Make sure I have his # and school as that's the best way for me to find them as these practices are pretty busy and they are running 5-6 drills at the same time.

[BearLandBucFan]

he WILL be top 5 barring some unpredictable situation and we have no leverage to get him...

They all said the sam thing about DJ of Texas last year.

Players stock rise and fall ALL the time.

Does he have top 5 potential. Yep.

But who in Top 5 going to draft him?

Maybe GB. But near the end of the year their defense began to take shape.

Will he fall to our spot? most likely not.

never say WILL in January about any Draft Pick

Last year at this time most people were saying SF WILL pick Aaron Rodgers

even Bush isn't guaranteed to go #1. until they say...

"And The Houston Texans Select with the First Pick of the 2006 NFL Draft..."

THEN it is guaranteed...

;)

[Clayton80future]

I have been watching AJ Hawk at the University of Ohio State since he was a freshman, and in every game he never comes up short in my opinion. He has the killer instinct a linebacker should have, he has the phenominal speed that a great OLB should possess, and all of the physical attributes with size and strength.

If we get him, we'll have to trade up atleast 15 spots. I wouldn't be surprised at all if he breaks the chain of Bush, Lienhart, and Young in the top 3.

[backrow]

AJ is a freak of nature at OLB. Greenway is very close in talent and skill to Hawk and would be a more plausible choice.

yeah if Greenway slips i would love for Bucs to pick him...

and BearLand, we shall talk after the draft, i am positive that his stock won't fall much if at all ;)

[Chirodoc]

Before we all fall in love with AJ Hawk remember OSU had a LB named Andy Katzmoyer who was suppose to be the next great linebacker

[nolesfan4life]

Before we all fall in love with AJ Hawk remember OSU had a LB named Andy Katzmoyer who was suppose to be the next great linebacker
AJ Hawk has shown he's smarter than Katzenmoyer ever was. There was no doubting Katz's abilities, it was his brains, he wasn't smart enough to learn the NFL playbooks. AJ has that ability.

And to the idea of Greenway slipping to Tampa, that would be awesome because the only way he gets past 12 is if Hawk and Williams or Williams slips to Cleveland

[Ruger7mmmag]

AJ Hawk has shown he's smarter than Katzenmoyer ever was. There was no doubting Katz's abilities, it was his brains, he wasn't smart enough to learn the NFL playbooks. AJ has that ability.

And to the idea of Greenway slipping to Tampa, that would be awesome because the only way he gets past 12 is if Hawk and Williams or Williams slips to Cleveland

It's possible Greenway slips. Like i mentioned in another post, I was standing next to an Eagles scout watching a LB drill and I snuck a peak at his notes he was writing and he mentioned Greenway may lack "toughness" and the "ability to be physical". It didn't help Greenway had to do the same drill 4 times in a row to get it right either. But his speed looked pretty good.

[O-State-BUC]

Before we all fall in love with AJ Hawk remember OSU had a LB named Andy Katzmoyer who was suppose to be the next great linebacker

He had a career cut short by a neck injury so its really not fair to say that he was a bust. I agree that after his junior year of college he was supposed to be amazing, but his stock was maybe a little too high. Teams game planned around stopping him his whole senior year so his numbers went down.

If you look at his stats for his rookie season, they weren't bad at all.

He started 11 of 16 games and recorded 107 tackles, 3.5 sacks, 1 interception, 1 defensive TD. Thats really not too bad for not even finishing a season.

I think if he would have stayed healthy, he would have been a very solid player in this league.

[nolesfan4life]

He had a career cut short by a neck injury so its really not fair to say that he was a bust. I agree that after his junior year of college he was supposed to be amazing, but his stock was maybe a little too high. Teams game planned around stopping him his whole senior year so his numbers went down.

If you look at his stats for his rookie season, they weren't bad at all.

He started 11 of 16 games and recorded 107 tackles, 3.5 sacks, 1 interception, 1 defensive TD. Thats really not too bad for not even finishing a season.

I think if he would have stayed healthy, he would have been a very solid player in this league.
lets not forget the fact that a brown pile a dog leaves on the ground is smarter than andy katzenmoyer. AJ has a brain to go along with his talents, Katz didn't

[O-State-BUC]

lets not forget the fact that a brown pile a dog leaves on the ground is smarter than andy katzenmoyer. AJ has a brain to go along with his talents, Katz didn't

I agree. He was not bright by any stretch of imagination. But I still think he could have been a solid player in this league. A.J. is not a good comparison to Katz in any way other than their college.