SI's Don Banks' 1st Mock [Archive] - Official Bulletin Board of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

MarleyMon81

01-27-2006, 02:59 PM

Here is Banks' first shot. (NOTE: This was the guy that updated his mock the night before last year's draft. He had us taking...Aaron Rogers.)

His pick for the Bucs...

OT Marcus McNeil, Auburn:

The Bucs could use a legitimate No. 1 receiver to take over for Joey Galloway in the near future, so it wouldn't be surprising to see them jump on Arizona State's Derek Hagan. But with Anthony Davis and the disappointing Kenyatta Walker at offensive tackle, McNeil, perhaps the draft's best run blocker, is a solid bet. And he's already blocked for Cadillac Williams before, at Auburn.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/don_banks/01/27/mock.draft.1.part3/index.html

McNeil seems to be becoming a concensus mock pick for the Bucs so far. I wouldn't mind him but it would depend on who's left at that point. It was a little easier to try and predict the Bucs pick at #5 than it will be at #23.

From Banks' mock, probably the only other player left after #23 that I would have taken instead of McNeil would have been Brodrick Bunkley.

UMiamiBucFan

01-27-2006, 03:07 PM

Thomas Howard is another one that could be a solid pick.

nolesfan4life

01-27-2006, 03:16 PM

fieldy218

01-27-2006, 03:28 PM

i'm not feeling it. with kiwi on the board, and all the top CBs, the browns should take an LB in the 2nd round, and take one of the top CBs or Kiwi because i'm just not overly impressed with Greenway, but thats just me

The way Kiwi was dominated all week at the Senior Bowl (and injured), I would take Greenway over him b/c not only was Greenway the top OLB at the Senior Bowl, but has shown to be a leader on the field... could be a quality pickup for our aging LB corps...

nolesfan4life

01-27-2006, 03:36 PM

The way Kiwi was dominated all week at the Senior Bowl (and injured), I would take Greenway over him b/c not only was Greenway the top OLB at the Senior Bowl, but has shown to be a leader on the field... could be a quality pickup for our aging LB corps...
I dunno, maybe its just that Greenway isn't really a flashy player. But i'm all in favor of taking an LB, and Greenway is good, but I want a guy whose like a terrell suggs or a shawne Merriman who can either pass rusher from the LB position or the DE position depending on what the coaches call. A guy like Manny Lawson or Bobby Carpenter will be there in the 2nd round. A true #1 CB would be a huge addition for Cleveland, and with all the DBs available, I think Huff or Williams would be a much better pick for Cleveland here.

And there is the possibility of drafting an OT here too.

But our LB corps isn't aging, there's just two of them that have skills, the other two just suck

Bradentonian

01-27-2006, 04:35 PM

Here is Banks' first shot. (NOTE: This was the guy that updated his mock the night before last year's draft. He had us taking...Aaron Rogers.)

His pick for the Bucs...

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/don_banks/01/27/mock.draft.1.part3/index.html

McNeil seems to be becoming a concensus mock pick for the Bucs so far. I wouldn't mind him but it would depend on who's left at that point. It was a little easier to try and predict the Bucs pick at #5 than it will be at #23.

From Banks' mock, probably the only other player left after #23 that I would have taken instead of McNeil would have been Brodrick Bunkley.
I'm very nervous about McNeil. Spine problems, too much weight on a long frame is a future health risk. As much as we need an OT, I think Bunkley is the better pick here.

fieldy218

01-27-2006, 05:38 PM

Im thinking Kiwi is going to drop to us, and we should jump all over it

I'm not sure if I agree with that anymore... I was all about him until the Senior Bowl... he needs a lot of work... D'Brick was all over that *** all week.

I'm liking Winston Justice, Ashton Youboty, Tye Hill, Max Jean-Gilles, Ernie Sims, Chad Greenway, Marcedes Lewis, Bobby Carpenter, Manny Lawson, AJ Nicholson & Maurice Stovall for our potential 1st & 2nd round picks...

Faithwarrior

01-27-2006, 05:58 PM

I'm very nervous about McNeil. Spine problems, too much weight on a long frame is a future health risk. As much as we need an OT, I think Bunkley is the better pick here.
I honestly think McNeil would totally be a steal if he slid that far to us. He is the stud OT we have dreamed about getting for years. I really think he is the next Orlando Pace, Jonathan Ogden bookend Tackle that we desperately need. As far as bunkley goes, i wouldn't pick him there. Let me say im a HUGE FSU fan.. probably as big of one as you can be. But here is the problem FSU dlineman have never really panned out, like Jamal Reynolds, Andre Wadsworth, Darnell Dockett, Travis Johnson, ect. I realize that Corey Simon has been pretty good but he is about it as far as the star FSU defensive lineman go. I really think FSU produces great linebackers, but the defensive lineman typically don't translate to great NFL players. I'm not quite sure why this is but its usually the case. I am curious to see where Wimbley goes however. I person think he has more upside that Bunkley.

SharkieBucfan

01-27-2006, 07:35 PM

Yea.... I know we need line men but... This years pick does not excite me as much as the previous 2... I think we should draft a wr just to make things interesting. ;)

UCFjayrod09

01-27-2006, 08:29 PM

We really need to get a high second round pick and draft Moss the only reason he is expected to go in round 2 is because Miami didn't use him enough to prove that he can be a star. I think he will be a steal in the second round, it would be worth it to trade up to get him.

Rjuice40

01-27-2006, 08:44 PM

no one is talking about this, but I think the best thing for us 2 do is trade down and pick up a extra pick or 2 to sure up some other position

mbm

01-27-2006, 11:28 PM

no one is talking about this, but I think the best thing for us 2 do is trade down and pick up a extra pick or 2 to sure up some other position

Whose going to trade a pick or two to gain a maximum of 6 spots?

Better yet...why?

Rjuice40

01-27-2006, 11:41 PM

DUTCH IS BACK

01-28-2006, 05:16 AM

I'm not sure if I agree with that anymore... I was all about him until the Senior Bowl... he needs a lot of work... D'Brick was all over that *** all week.

That's not what Scott Wright (nfldraftcountdown) is thinking:

Along the offensive line the biggest revelation for me today was how bad D'Brickashaw Ferguson looked as a run blocker. I know in the past I have compared him to Jon Ogden and Orlando Pace but during the practice I found myself thinking that he was no where near them as a run blocker and may not have the attitude or demeanor to ever reach that lofty level. He is still a top prospect and an amazing pass blocker, but my enthusiasm about him was definitely tempered a bit today.

mbm

01-28-2006, 12:18 PM

Im saying trade down in the first round, to pick up a second or third round pick. If the player that we wont is not on the board. That each pick can address other needs in round 2 or 3 that we wouldn't have other wise. More beef on the offense or defense line, cb or wr. There's going to be some steals in those 2 rounds.

I know you are saying trade down in the first round.

We pick 26th. Who is going to trade a pick or two to gain a maximum of 6 spots. Are you suggesting we trade away our first round pick?

Blue Devil

01-28-2006, 01:42 PM

fieldy218

01-28-2006, 02:14 PM

That's not what Scott Wright (nfldraftcountdown) is thinking:

Along the offensive line the biggest revelation for me today was how bad D'Brickashaw Ferguson looked as a run blocker. I know in the past I have compared him to Jon Ogden and Orlando Pace but during the practice I found myself thinking that he was no where near them as a run blocker and may not have the attitude or demeanor to ever reach that lofty level. He is still a top prospect and an amazing pass blocker, but my enthusiasm about him was definitely tempered a bit today.

I wasn't talking up D'Brick as much as I was talking down Kiwi... everyone knows that D'Brick is best in pass blocking, and that Kiwi is a speed rusher... here is what Rob Bryant of NFL Draft Blitz says:

"Mathias Kiwanuka was probably the biggest story coming out of the Senior Bowl week, and not for a good reason, he just couldn’t get by any of the tackles. He seems to only have the one swim move."

and about D'Brick he said:

"D’Brickashaw Ferguson was everything advertised, one of the best pass blockers to ever come out of the college ranks in quite some time, I think he will get more dominate run blocking as he gets stronger. He silenced his critics when he came in at a buff 6-6 297 pounds. He has long arms and knows how to use them, as he should he is a black belt in karate."

gbnreport said:

"It wasn’t a great week for DE Mathias Kiwanuka of Boston College. Kiwanuka consistently lost his one-on-one battles with star Virginia OT D’Brickashaw Ferguson, before injuring a shoulder..."

All_da_way

01-28-2006, 02:24 PM

Kiwi is a project but will be a steal for a team that can develope him.

fieldy218

01-28-2006, 02:32 PM

Kiwi is a project but will be a steal for a team that can develope him.

I could agree with that... however with Marinelli's departure, I don't know who we have the has the ability to develop Kiwi...

Doesn't everyone feel that drafting someone in the first round that needs that much more is kind of pointless? Isn't the point of a first round pick to get someone that can make an immediate impact?

All_da_way

01-28-2006, 02:47 PM

I could agree with that... however with Marinelli's departure, I don't know who we have the has the ability to develop Kiwi...

Doesn't everyone feel that drafting someone in the first round that needs that much more is kind of pointless? Isn't the point of a first round pick to get someone that can make an immediate impact?

Depends.

Late in the first round the players available are borderline 1st rounder/early second rounders.

They tend to have question marks or need more seasoning.

Kiwi hypothetically speaking could potentially be a top ten talent if he is developed with the help of some NFL level coaching.

So basically you are taking a chance at a player late in the first round that has potential top ten talent if he developes.

Psykes

01-28-2006, 08:08 PM

I still think Kiwi will be a top 5 pass rusher some day soon in the NFL. I think we could still develop him, but that depends on his work ethic. He'd still have our D-line assitants, Monte and Rice to learn from.

As for McNeil, I've been against drafting an OT with our 1st pick, but rather with our 2nd, but if McNeil drops to us I'd be ecstatic and would hope that we'd draft him.

P.S. Anyone have any strong opinions on any of the pass-rushing UT going in the first 2 rounds? I personally think that it could be the best position to draft for our defense.

Psykes

01-28-2006, 08:12 PM

BTW, can someone explain to me why Washington (actually Denver's pick) is choosing before us. Shouldn't we be ahead of them since we got eliminated earlier? Or is it only based on record up until the 2nd round or something?

Bradentonian

01-28-2006, 08:21 PM

Psykes

01-28-2006, 08:30 PM

Draft order is based on record, with ties decided by strength of schedule
Then why isn't it official that Seattle has the 32nd pick since they have the better record of the 2 SB teams. It says to be determined by SB result.... and also the Steelers would be choosing earlier... or does the record rule not apply to the SB?

Bradentonian

01-28-2006, 08:40 PM

Then why isn't it official that Seattle has the 32nd pick since they have the better record of the 2 SB teams. It says to be determined by SB result.... and also the Steelers would be choosing earlier... or does the record rule not apply to the SB?

Determining Order of Selection
• The team with the lowest winning percentage at the end of the previous season drafts first in the NFL Draft.

• The rest of the teams are placed in order from lowest winning percentage to the highest.

• The Super Bowl winner drafts last, even if they do not have the highest winning percentage.

• The Super Bowl loser drafts next to last.

• Strength of schedule for the previous season is the first tie-breaker for teams with the same winning percentage.

• Divisional and conference records are the next step in the tie-breaking procedure.

• As a last resort, a coin toss is used to determine the order of selection for teams with the same winning percentage.

• If a playoff and non-playoff team end the season with the same winning percentage, the non-playoff team selects before the playoff team regardless of strength of schedule.

http://football.about.com/od/miscinformation/a/detdraftorder.htm

Psykes

01-28-2006, 08:44 PM

Ahh.... thnx for clearing that up Brand.

Confuzed Azn

01-28-2006, 09:21 PM

P.S. Anyone have any strong opinions on any of the pass-rushing UT going in the first 2 rounds? I personally think that it could be the best position to draft for our defense.

I really like Broderick Bunkley DT, FSU. He's got a hell of a motor and good pass-rushing skills, and at around 300 lbs. he's got good size but retains his quickness and is a good fit for our D. He's a late first, early second kinda guy. For a later pick, maybe third or so, I like Jonathan Lewis DT, Va. Tech. Quick off the snap and dammed disruptive in the pass and run. He has a knack for getting into the backfield. I'm all for drafting a DT, but there is an interesting FA in Rocky Bernard from Seattle. This is gonna be an interesting offseason indeed.

Psykes

01-28-2006, 10:49 PM

Sounds interesting... thnx for that AZN.

I just hope we're not stuck with McFarland at UT next season. Maybe we can trade him for a 2nd rounder and pick up someone like Bunkley. We have too much talent around UT to not put up solid numbers there. Rice is constantly double-teamed, Hovan and White may take over and make some noise at LE. We really need someone (possibly one of the guys you mention) who is quick off the snap and blow up plays often by getting into the backfield.

Indeed it will be an interesting offseason.

Confuzed Azn

01-28-2006, 11:41 PM

What I was considering was to move Hovan to UT for his pass-rushing skills and Bryant to NT to take up blockers. Obviously Booger is out of the equation, traded away for a day one pick while he's still got value. But "Bear" Bryant has not shown he can start for this team, but hey, alot of things can happen between seasons. I've seen crazier things.

freedog

02-04-2006, 10:23 PM

draft the best player available even if its Vernon Davis even through i am happy with the tightends we have.

XTrenTX

02-04-2006, 10:29 PM

32 DE Elvis Dumervil Louisville Sr. 6-0 256
The Seahawks defense has been better than most expected this season, but Seattle could use an infusion of talent at defensive line, where it uses a rotation to keep as many bodies as fresh as possible. The logical place to start is at end, where Bryce Fisher and Grant Wistrom could stand some competition. Receiver and even linebacker help might work its way up the Seattle need list.

Why would the Seahawks pick a D-Lineman when they led the league in sacks this season??? I don't like this mock...it is pretty early...so it will change a lot...but still...

...as for our pick I would like to have McNeil...I like Winston Justice a lot too...

The Hawks have a good pass rush, and have bene able to get to the QB quite a bit, but the pass rush has been somewhat inconsistent, and they still lack a really good pass-rushing DE.

DE and OLB are the biggest needs for the Hawks...I don't see WR being an option early unless Engram and Jurevicius leave, the WR position in Seattle is very deep right now.

All_da_way

02-05-2006, 11:57 AM

The Hawks have a good pass rush, and have bene able to get to the QB quite a bit, but the pass rush has been somewhat inconsistent, and they still lack a really good pass-rushing DE.

DE and OLB are the biggest needs for the Hawks...I don't see WR being an option early unless Engram and Jurevicius leave, the WR position in Seattle is very deep right now.

Hey XTrentX what do you think the Seahawks will do with Rocky Bernard? I is he under contract for the Hawks next year?

XTrenTX

02-05-2006, 01:06 PM

Hey XTrentX what do you think the Seahawks will do with Rocky Bernard? I is he under contract for the Hawks next year?

He'll be a free agent, and I hop to god we re-sign him because he is one of the best DTs in the league in terms of pass-rushing, and he can play the run too.

Bradentonian

02-05-2006, 03:26 PM

He'll be a free agent, and I hop to god we re-sign him because he is one of the best DTs in the league in terms of pass-rushing, and he can play the run too.
XTrenTX, what did you think of Chuck Darby this year?

MarleyMon81

02-18-2006, 12:39 AM

XTrenTX

02-18-2006, 12:56 AM

XTrenTX, what did you think of Chuck Darby this year?

He set a great example for the defense. He's one of the leaders, the young guys call him "Uncle Chuck." He's got a motor that doesn't quit which lead to a few big plays this year. He's a solid DT, not spectacular. I would say he's our 3rd best DT, but we have 4 guys that could start for alot of teams so 3rd best ain't bad.

XTrenTX

02-18-2006, 01:00 AM

Here's Banks' newest mock (v2) posted today.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/don_banks/02/16/mock.draft2.part1/index.html

No change on his pick of McNeil to the Bucs from his first mock.

Looks like he moved Ferguson down a few spots and moved Cutler up.

If the Seahawks passed up Bobby Carpenter to take a WR I'd be ****ed.

WR is NOT a need position like alot of experts seem to think.

EDIT- If the top 30 played out like that, picks 31 and 32 would be exactly the opposite. Hawks take Carpenter, Steelers take Jackson.

MarleyMon81

02-18-2006, 01:08 AM

If the Seahawks passed up Bobby Carpenter to take a WR...

Now that would be a good young LB core there with Tatupu, Hill, and possibly Carpenter.

BTW X, NFLDraftCountdown.com has the 'Hawks taking Carpenter at #31 in their mock. :)

XTrenTX

02-18-2006, 01:18 AM

Now that would be a good young LB core there with Tatupu, Hill, and possibly Carpenter.

I'm kinda back and forth over who I want more, him or Thomas Howard. I think Howard could be a FREAK if he hits the weight room and gets stronger. I mean he's weighs 240 so I'd assume he's got some room to add muscle....Our Strength and Conditionig coach is in the Strength and Conditioning Coaches Hall of Fame, so I think he could do wonders with him.

The Future

02-18-2006, 01:43 AM

Ryans before Hawk? :rotf: I dont think that will happen, if it does they made a huge mistake.

MarleyMon81

03-14-2006, 02:29 PM

Banks' mock 3.o updated today (3/14).

His first 2 mocks had the Bucs taking McNeill at #23 but he has a different mock pick for the Bucs this time...

23 -- LB Chad Greenway Iowa Sr. 6-4 244

Greenway wasn't as strong (16 reps) or as quick (4.78) at the combine as was expected. But he's still going to make the first round, and the Bucs seem like a nice fit. Tampa Bay also could address OT with Auburn's Marcus McNeill, or take a shot with Arizona State WR Derek Hagan.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/don_banks/03/14/mock.draft3.part3/index.html

Chad Greenway profile (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/olb/chadgreenway.html).

Wouldn't mind Greenway at all at #23. From Banks' mock, I also wouldn't have minded Carpenter, Ryans, Kiwanuka, or even Mangold.

nolesfan4life

03-14-2006, 02:32 PM

Ryans before Hawk? :rotf: I dont think that will happen, if it does they made a huge mistake.
were do you see that at?

MarleyMon81

03-14-2006, 02:36 PM

were do you see that at?

It was probably from Banks' 2.o mock I posted a few weeks ago earlier in this same thread.

All_da_way

03-14-2006, 02:55 PM

I thought they were nuts when this one mock had Greenway going to the Bucs about 2 months ago (I thought he would have been a top ten pick)

But now it is a real possibility Greenway slips and I can live with Greenway at #23. :cool:

nolesfan4life

03-14-2006, 02:57 PM

that 4.7 combine time hurt Greenway bigtime

All_da_way

03-14-2006, 03:03 PM

that 4.7 combine time hurt Greenway bigtime

Probably but Lofa had a similar combine time so I do not think it should hurt Greenway's stock that much. :confused:

nolesfan4life

03-14-2006, 03:09 PM

Probably but Lofa had a similar combine time so I do not think it should hurt Greenway's stock that much. :confused:
yeah that is true

All i know is I don't really take Don Banks mocks seriously. for my browns for example, Tamba Hali is a 4-3 DE, who may not be big enough to play the 3-4 OLB. He still however feels that hali would be a good DE in Crennels system.

Greg in DC

03-14-2006, 04:07 PM

draft the best player available even if its Vernon Davis even through i am happy with the tightends we have.

Totally. He's freakishly athletic. Get on board now. He's going to be good.

MarleyMon81

03-14-2006, 07:27 PM

Totally. He's freakishly athletic. Get on board now. He's going to be good.

No way Davis even makes it to the 20's IMO. His overall skills combined with a killer Combine effort really vaulted his status.

That being said, if he was there at #23 and they couldn't trade down and get another pick, I'd take Davis in a heart beat even with my like of what Smith did and has the potential to do.

Psykes

03-14-2006, 07:57 PM

I don't like the pick.

IMO, we draft Kiwi, McNeill, Sims or trade out of the first round (unless a stud that we need falls to us I.e. Tye Hill)

MarleyMon81

04-21-2006, 07:34 PM

Banks latest mock (4/20)...

23 CB Ashton Youboty

The Bucs love Cromartie and hope he's still available when their turn comes. They'd also be thrilled if Virginia Tech's Williams tumbles to No. 23. Barring that, and barring a reach at offensive tackle (Auburn's Marcus McNeill), give them Youboty, the best of the remaining first-round cornerback prospects.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/don_banks/04/20/mock.draft5.part3/index.html

Not sure about this one. Youboty is a solid corner but I really don't think the Bucs go corner in the 1st. By his mock I would have gone with Bunkley or Kiwi instead of Youbouty. In fact, from most reports, Bunkley may not make it out of the top 10 with the Bills being extremely intersted.

nolesfan4life

04-21-2006, 08:12 PM

Banks latest mock (4/20)...

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/don_banks/04/20/mock.draft5.part3/index.html

Not sure about this one. Youboty is a solid corner but I really don't think the Bucs go corner in the 1st. By his mock I would have gone with Bunkley or Kiwi instead of Youbouty. In fact, from most reports, Bunkley may not make it out of the top 10 with the Bills being extremely intersted.
Wimbley is a beast and all, but if Cleveland takes him over Ngata and Bunkley, I think the city of Cleveland would burn the stadium down(or burn a river ;) )

Airborne Eagle

04-21-2006, 08:15 PM

Banks latest mock (4/20)...

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/don_banks/04/20/mock.draft5.part3/index.html
I just get a bad feeling about Greenway. When they keep talking up his character, I keep thinking that the kid has nothing else.

It's terrible, I know.

The Future

04-21-2006, 08:18 PM

Hagan a #1 WR in this league? :rotf:

NoAlibi

04-21-2006, 08:18 PM

I just get a bad feeling about Greenway. When they keep talking up his character, I keep thinking that the kid has nothing else.

It's terrible, I know.

I honestly agree..

Naptyme

04-22-2006, 01:50 AM

I just get a bad feeling about Greenway. When they keep talking up his character, I keep thinking that the kid has nothing else.

It's terrible, I know.

I watched 3 Iowa games mainly to see Greenway. To be honest, he didn't impress me at all. Abdul Hodge played great though and was consistent. I may have just caught Greenway on his bad days but if he is that inconsistent I don't think a 1st round pick would be worth it.