Bunkley or Wroten?

[Bradentonian]

If the Bucs go with DT as their first pick, would you rather we pick Bunkley from FSU or Wroten from LSU? Any other good options that make sense?

[Clayton80future]

The last Florida St. defensive tackle to gain a lot of stock in his senior season was Travis Johnson, the 12th overall pick last year to the Texans. I'm not sure if that's a bad pick yet, but it certainly didn't work well in the first year. I don't really trust someone like Bunkley to pan out as I would with Orien Harris or Rod Wright.

[Faithwarrior]

I'm a huge FSU fan but i can admit that Bunkley would not be a smart pick. He is totally undersized to be a true DT in the NFL. I think in the end he'll end up being a DE. Also of all the defensive line that have come out of FSU, i believe on Corey Simon has really panned out. They seem to be great college lineman but don't pan out when it comes to the NFL. I'm not a big of Wroten either. I think if they were going with a DT in the first round it would have to be the guy from Oregon. He is the only guy in my opinion that is a good enough DT to take in the first round. I really dont see the Bucs taking a DT in the first round. Its not the biggest pressing need we have. I really think unless the guy from Oregon is availible at 23 then Gruden won't even consider a DT there. I realize that its a while til the draft but right now it would seem the guys the bucs would be interested in would be Marcus McNeil, Ernie Sims, Antonio Cromartie, Eric Winston, Winston Justice, and Max Jean-Giles. But that is just my opinion.

[TiM-GoBucs]

I want us to pick up Wimbley in the 2nd or 3 round.

[nolesfan4life]

The last Florida St. defensive tackle to gain a lot of stock in his senior season was Travis Johnson, the 12th overall pick last year to the Texans. I'm not sure if that's a bad pick yet, but it certainly didn't work well in the first year. I don't really trust someone like Bunkley to pan out as I would with Orien Harris or Rod Wright.
Travis kinda got screwed with the Texans switching to a 3-4 defense. I'm not actually sure if they play that, but thats what yahoo and espn depth charts both show. he's a back-up DE right now but he was only a rookie, its way to early to judge the situation.

And as for Dockett, he had a pretty good rookie season, and was hampered by injuries this past year. He didn't put up the numbers this year, but he was playing on a defense that ranked 10th against the runs so even though he may not have gotten the tackles and sacks, he must've done something right because if you rank 10th against the run, and you don't put up many tackles, they must not run at you that much.

[Clayton80future]

Yeah Johnson does not really fit the 3-4 at all. He is more of an under tackle in a defense like ours. I think he'd thrive here, but I don't think he'll pan out with the Texans.

But I'd pick either Ngata, Harris, or Wright before any of those two.

[All_da_way]

Bunkely.

[JamesWilder32]

If the Bucs go with DT as their first pick, would you rather we pick Bunkley from FSU or Wroten from LSU? Any other good options that make sense?


Neither, Jesse Maholena is probably the best fit for the Bucs. Bunkley has played NT during his FSU career and would be a projection as an UT, Wroten did not dominate AND he played with a pretty good DT next to him to free him up. Maholena is the real deal, quick, fast, explosive, he would be a great fit for the team.

[JamesWilder32]

Yeah Johnson does not really fit the 3-4 at all. He is more of an under tackle in a defense like ours. I think he'd thrive here, but I don't think he'll pan out with the Texans.

But I'd pick either Ngata, Harris, or Wright before any of those two.


Ngata will be long gone, Orien Harris doesn't have the major quicks the Bucs like from their UTs. Bunkley was a NT and wears the FSU badge of DL Shame... Wadsworth was the king of the FSU DL busts.

[JamesWilder32]

Travis kinda got screwed with the Texans switching to a 3-4 defense. I'm not actually sure if they play that, but thats what yahoo and espn depth charts both show. he's a back-up DE right now but he was only a rookie, its way to early to judge the situation.

And as for Dockett, he had a pretty good rookie season, and was hampered by injuries this past year. He didn't put up the numbers this year, but he was playing on a defense that ranked 10th against the runs so even though he may not have gotten the tackles and sacks, he must've done something right because if you rank 10th against the run, and you don't put up many tackles, they must not run at you that much.


I don't think he was screwed as Dom Capers was the first and only coach in Texans history and he has run the 3-4 since he got there. He was drafted to be a 3-4 DE, he just didn't play as well as expected. He did, however, have to switch positions and I think he wasn't quite as good a prospect for where he was chosen. to me, travis was more like a late 1st, early 2nd in terms of talent, just because a guy is chosen really high doesn't mean he should automatically be a star, i thought he was a bit of a reach but he has the ability to eventually be a pretty good player.

[nolesfan4life]

I don't think he was screwed as Dom Capers was the first and only coach in Texans history and he has run the 3-4 since he got there. He was drafted to be a 3-4 DE, he just didn't play as well as expected. He did, however, have to switch positions and I think he wasn't quite as good a prospect for where he was chosen. to me, travis was more like a late 1st, early 2nd in terms of talent, just because a guy is chosen really high doesn't mean he should automatically be a star, i thought he was a bit of a reach but he has the ability to eventually be a pretty good player.
Well the position switch is the reason that he got screwed. Travis is a good DT in a 4-3 defense which focuses on speed. He's got good strength, and good speed so he's able to play that position with a good ability. Him being shifted to a DE is the reason that he got screwed.

[JamesWilder32]

Well the position switch is the reason that he got screwed. Travis is a good DT in a 4-3 defense which focuses on speed. He's got good strength, and good speed so he's able to play that position with a good ability. Him being shifted to a DE is the reason that he got screwed.


Oh, I misunderstood what you were saying...

Johnson has good athletic ability but because of his height, the Texans projected him out to DE, I think if he were shorter they may have passed on him and an UT needing team would have snapped him up in the early 20's.

[CrAsH_oVeRdRiVe]

Bunkely.


Wroten :winkretro

[Psykes]

Bunkley... but why wouldn't he be available in the 2nd... Seems like there's a decent chance of him going mid-late second.

[freedog]

rod wright will dominate at the NFL level. has room to grow too...

[All_da_way]

Wroten :winkretro

Wroten plays more like a nose tackle. He can pass rush a little bit but he seems more like a nose tackle. His teammate Kyle Williams is more of an pass rushing undertackle.

Jonathan Lewis would be a pretty good pick up late day one/early day two of the draft. They say his size may be an issue but I think otherwise.

Mahelona is another player that would look good in a Buc uni but I doubt he falls to day 2 of the draft.

Bunkely I think when all is said and done will be second DT off the board.

[warrensappisgod]

Neither, Jesse Maholena is probably the best fit for the Bucs. Bunkley has played NT during his FSU career and would be a projection as an UT, Wroten did not dominate AND he played with a pretty good DT next to him to free him up. Maholena is the real deal, quick, fast, explosive, he would be a great fit for the team.

I'm agreeing with that completely. Mehelona IMO is about as talented a DT as there is in the draft sans Ngata. Although, you say Wroten didn't dominate, but he did play very well throughout the season. Mehelona didn't dominate like he did in his junior year either.

[CrAsH_oVeRdRiVe]

Wroten plays more like a nose tackle. He can pass rush a little bit but he seems more like a nose tackle. His teammate Kyle Williams is more of an pass rushing undertackle.

Jonathan Lewis would be a pretty good pick up late day one/early day two of the draft. They say his size may be an issue but I think otherwise.

Mahelona is another player that would look good in a Buc uni but I doubt he falls to day 2 of the draft.

Bunkely I think when all is said and done will be second DT off the board.


Wroten is a pass rushing fiend in the mold of a Rod Coleman. His game is quick penetration and quickness, which is exactly what the Bucs want in an undertackle. Btw Kyle Williams and Wroten both played undertackle and nosetackle during their career at LSU. Both guys are impressive, I just believe Wroten is less polished but filled with a lot more talent than his teammate or any DT in the draft.

[Bradentonian]

Wroten is a pass rushing fiend in the mold of a Rod Coleman. His game is quick penetration and quickness, which is exactly what the Bucs want in an undertackle. Btw Kyle Williams and Wroten both played undertackle and nosetackle during their career at LSU. Both guys are impressive, I just believe Wroten is less polished but filled with a lot more talent than his teammate or any DT in the draft.
I'm still liking Bunkley, however now it looks like he might not be around for our 1st pick.

[DeadEagle]

If I had to choose with the first pick between those two..... I'd forfeit the pick.

OL or bust.

[CrAsH_oVeRdRiVe]

I'm still liking Bunkley, however now it looks like he might not be around for our 1st pick.


I really like both guys. And I wouldn't come out sad with either of them. :cool:

I think the problem is some people get enamored with one prospect too much and they forget coaching also has a lot to do with how a player may project to the next level. I'm very fond of the coaching staff in Tampa. :cool:

[chileno]

This debate is settled...Bunkley is a beast.

[All_da_way]

This debate is settled...Bunkley is a beast.

True ;) but I would not sell short the other DT's in this draft.

[Buc Jason]

no more LSU DT's please. we have enough with BUSTer MacSackless....oops i meant Booger Macfarland.