Yet another Rate My Team thread...

[BucPride2003]

#2 overall pick, 12 team league.

QB : Peyton Manning, Chris Simms (backup)
RB : Ladainian Tomlinson, Kevin Jones, Mewelde Moore (backup)
WR : Javon Walker, Andre Johnson, Mike Clayton (backup), Nate Burleson (backup)
TE : Tony Gonzalez, Bubba Franks (backup)
K : Neil Rackers
Defense : Tampa Bay, Baltimore

[BucsBoy24]

Besides LT your runningbacks are kinda weak. And you have a lot of BOOM or BUST recievers

[readysetgo88]

I can see some homer picks in there... but it looks good. I can't believe you got Peyton and LT...

[KJ707]

I can't believe it either...

[NYBucsFan]

Yeah, me three....

[BucPride2003]

http://msn.foxsports.com/fantasy/football/commissioner/league/home?leagueId=17197

Just to prove it. (I don't know if you can view it. If you can't, I can always provide a screen shot)

I couldn't believe it either. There were 6/12 people at the draft. The auto-pick owners wouldn't have gotten Manning, he was very far down the listing. I picked him up in the second, with Kevin Jones in the third, and Gonzo in the 4th.

[readysetgo88]

We can't see it, but we believe you.

(Who wouldn't pick Manning before the second round??? I know he chokes in big games, but geez...)

[Tampa24]

u were #2 overall i wud of taken the other Rb who was left eather LJ or SA over LT, because of his new QB, and Peyton falling that far in second is good, but other than that your team is pretty s*itty.

[BucPride2003]

Allow me to invalidate your argument.

So, LT, who has had the best start for a RB in NFL history, who before Drew Brees and Gates had next to nothing surrounding him, will suddenly see significant falloff? LT is a model of consistancy, guarenteed (barring injury that is) 1500 yards and 15-20 TDs. Alexander had a great year, but prior to the last, he wasn't someone who'd be considered a better pick than LT. As for LJ, he was taken first overall.

As for the rest of my team looking pretty crappy, please elaborate.

The Bucs defense, Neil Rackers, Andre Johnson, Tony Gonzalez, and Javon Walker are all crap and would be of little to no fantasy value? Yet, Walker and Johnson are typical starts at WR in most leagues. Kevin Jones is guarenteed a massive role in the Detroit offense according to head coach Rod Marenelli, and looks to have a strong year. My backup running back is a problem, so I hopefully won't see much injury. The two backup WRs are boom/bust players that could pay off, or fail miserably.

I'd say this team is B with the lack of strong backups.

[Tampa24]

Allow me to invalidate your argument.

So, LT, who has had the best start for a RB in NFL history, who before Drew Brees and Gates had next to nothing surrounding him, will suddenly see significant falloff? LT is a model of consistancy, guarenteed (barring injury that is) 1500 yards and 15-20 TDs. Alexander had a great year, but prior to the last, he wasn't someone who'd be considered a better pick than LT. As for LJ, he was taken first overall.

As for the rest of my team looking pretty crappy, please elaborate.

The Bucs defense, Neil Rackers, Andre Johnson, Tony Gonzalez, and Javon Walker are all crap and would be of little to no fantasy value? Yet, Walker and Johnson are typical starts at WR in most leagues. Kevin Jones is guarenteed a massive role in the Detroit offense according to head coach Rod Marenelli, and looks to have a strong year. My backup running back is a problem, so I hopefully won't see much injury. The two backup WRs are boom/bust players that could pay off, or fail miserably.

I'd say this team is B with the lack of strong backups.
Tampa Def isnt going to get the job done every week, Rackers is good pick for Kicker, Johnson isnt going to do a lot more this year because their line ddnt improve alot, hes a big bust or a decent hit, Same with Walker, he only had one good year, and thats when he had Favre playing good and was lined up with Driver and had a healthy and very productive Ahman Green. Gonzales is used more as a blocker now and he didnt get better at all at the end of the season, Kevin Jones wont do anything amazing he will have a little better season than last year, but nothing has changed, he still has shi*ty QB their Line didnt improve their Wr the same, only thing is new Cord.
Now give me your argument

[Tampa24]

and i just relized he had Balt Def so Def is not an issue, but if one of his other Pos gets injured he has absolutely no depth for any of them.

[BucPride2003]

The only position I'd say I don't have solid enough depth for is RB with Moore as the backup. Johnson, who hasn't had a line around him period with the Texans, still pulled in solid numbers while being injured, not to mention pulling in top 5 numbers when healthy WITH David Carr throwing to him. Add Eric Moulds to be along side him, and I think he's a strong start. Walker is a high risk/high reward player, but I think Burleson (obviously, I drafted him) will fit well as a possible starter, as he will be the top WR in Seattle.

As for Kevin Jones showing next to no improvement, well we've met another impasse. I believe he looks prime for a strong year. Lets not forget his rookie season with lesser talent around him then now. Last year, he barely had a chance to run the ball half the time. With Rod Marenelli (sp?) promising a strong committment to the ground attack, hopefully a more stable QB at the helm (which a guy like a Jon Kitna could very well provide), and along with what I'd say IS a strong run blocking line (see : Dominic Raiola, Damien Woody, Rick DeMulling, and Jeff Backus), yes I'd say he's headed for a year that warrents a starting role in the two slot. Caddy had just about the same line last year and is considered a top-end fantasy back.

Tony Gonzalez had 78 catches, 905 yards, but only 2 TDs last year. Those aren't horride fantasy numbers for a TE by any means. With a new regime (sp? Its late) in town, I'll bet that Edwards will do things like he's done in the past in the Redzone. Play fake alot and look to put the ball in his playmakers hands, namely Gonzo. Again, we've reached another impasse.

Oh, and I just dropped Simms and picked up Marc Bulger.

[Tampa24]

The only position I'd say I don't have solid enough depth for is RB with Moore as the backup. Johnson, who hasn't had a line around him period with the Texans, still pulled in solid numbers while being injured, not to mention pulling in top 5 numbers when healthy WITH David Carr throwing to him. Add Eric Moulds to be along side him, and I think he's a strong start. Walker is a high risk/high reward player, but I think Burleson (obviously, I drafted him) will fit well as a possible starter, as he will be the top WR in Seattle.

As for Kevin Jones showing next to no improvement, well we've met another impasse. I believe he looks prime for a strong year. Lets not forget his rookie season with lesser talent around him then now. Last year, he barely had a chance to run the ball half the time. With Rod Marenelli (sp?) promising a strong committment to the ground attack, hopefully a more stable QB at the helm (which a guy like a Jon Kitna could very well provide), and along with what I'd say IS a strong run blocking line (see : Dominic Raiola, Damien Woody, Rick DeMulling, and Jeff Backus), yes I'd say he's headed for a year that warrents a starting role in the two slot. Caddy had just about the same line last year and is considered a top-end fantasy back.

Tony Gonzalez had 78 catches, 905 yards, but only 2 TDs last year. Those aren't horride fantasy numbers for a TE by any means. With a new regime (sp? Its late) in town, I'll bet that Edwards will do things like he's done in the past in the Redzone. Play fake alot and look to put the ball in his playmakers hands, namely Gonzo. Again, we've reached another impasse.

Oh, and I just dropped Simms and picked up Marc Bulger.
Bulger as FA is WOW. 1st off Burleson isnt the starter in Seattle, a lot of people forget about Darrel Jackson because of his injury year, and as for Kitna being an upgrade i would disagree with your.they had their same line last year and Jones didnt do that great or good at all, the only thing that givs jones more value is their new Cordinator, and Caddys O-line didnt immprove? what did we draft 1st 2 rounds? plus u cant be comparing Caddy to Kevin Jones can you?

[BucPride2003]

Yes, I couldn't believe Bulger hitting the FA market myself.

Burleson is a starter, their are two starting WRs per team. Trust me, someone who's getting paid as much as he is (I recall it being somewhere in the neighborhood of a 5 year, 50 something deal - probably off by a bit though) will be getting a significant amount of looks. He won't be some push-over, free agent-wire WR. He'll get enough stats to matter.

I said Caddys success relating to last years offensive line. I thought that'd be assumed. My bad. I'm only comparing offensive lines here -- both were terribly inconsistant. Jones had only 186 carries in 13 games last year. Assuming he'll be healthy, project about 16 games/260-300 carries, considering Marenelli has stated to a great degree that this offense will be a pound-the-rock, smashmouth one where the running game plays a prime role. Expect Kevin Jones to put up numbers slightly better than his rookie campaign, which was just under 1200 yards with 14 starts.

Kitna > Joey Harrington any day of the week. He came a long way back with Cincy while they were just moving out of the doldrums of the AFC North before Palmer came in. If he gets the starting role, which I do think he will, I don't see why he doesn't do a decent job leading the Detroit offense.

[Tampa24]

Yes, I couldn't believe Bulger hitting the FA market myself.

Burleson is a starter, their are two starting WRs per team. Trust me, someone who's getting paid as much as he is (I recall it being somewhere in the neighborhood of a 5 year, 50 something deal - probably off by a bit though) will be getting a significant amount of looks. He won't be some push-over, free agent-wire WR. He'll get enough stats to matter.

I said Caddys success relating to last years offensive line. I thought that'd be assumed. My bad. I'm only comparing offensive lines here -- both were terribly inconsistant. Jones had only 186 carries in 13 games last year. Assuming he'll be healthy, project about 16 games/260-300 carries, considering Marenelli has stated to a great degree that this offense will be a pound-the-rock, smashmouth one where the running game plays a prime role. Expect Kevin Jones to put up numbers slightly better than his rookie campaign, which was just under 1200 yards with 14 starts.

Kitna > Joey Harrington any day of the week. He came a long way back with Cincy while they were just moving out of the doldrums of the AFC North before Palmer came in. If he gets the starting role, which I do think he will, I don't see why he doesn't do a decent job leading the Detroit offense.
I know each team has 2 starting Wr but who is going to see more plays? the #1 WR

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