FSU vs Miami, 8:00

[Buc Basil]

GO NOLES! That's all I have to say... Should be an interesting game - always is.

Expect to hear this a lot tonight:

F-L-O-R-I-D-A.... S-T-A-T-E!
Florida State!
Florida State!
Florida State!
Woooo!!!

[Clayton80future]

Is Myron Rolle starting for FSU today?

[BugAhaBuc]

There is an occurance that happens to players in games which you can be banned for cheering...so I will refrain from openly stating what I hope happens enmass to both teams.

[BucsGatorsMagic]

Sorry nolies Miami gets revenge for that fluke win you all had last year

[bucs sb 06]

21-0 noles

[BucBackInTexas]

Is it possible for both teams to lose?

[Pantera Canes]

21-0 noles

wake up, thats just a nightmare

[Legacy]

I'm rooting for both teams to lose. :o I hate Florida college teams, with the exception of the USF Bulls.

Big 10 football is where it's at! :cool:

[Puma]

Comes down to the kicker like usual.

[Patrick McIrish]

UNDER!! Game is a coin flip if you ask me, only thing I am counting on is a low scoring affair. Either side wins 24-10 or so would be fine with me. :anigrin:

[Clayton80future]

UNDER!! Game is a coin flip if you ask me, only thing I am counting on is a low scoring affair. Either side wins 24-10 or so would be fine with me. :anigrin:

I want to see a close matchup going back and forth.

A nice score would be 27-24. Hopefully another classic matchup. :cool:

[Patrick McIrish]

I want to see a close matchup going back and forth.

A nice score would be 27-24. Hopefully another classic matchup. :cool:


We're all different in what we want to see. To me though two teams playing great defense is what makes a game a classic. I know most of the newer fans want to see the 51-50 type of game, give me the 3-0 game and defenses really getting after each other.

[Buc Basil]

We're all different in what we want to see. To me though two teams playing great defense is what makes a game a classic. I know most of the newer fans want to see the 51-50 type of game, give me the 3-0 game and defenses really getting after each other.
That's what I'm talking about PMI - old school smash mouth football. I love it. For all you defense lovers out there this should be a good one. Of course FSU's defense will come out on top :D .

I'm thinking this will be another 10-7 ordeal. I'm going to be a nervous wreck the entire game - It's gonna be great.

[Crocaneers]

12 - 9 .. last FG wins ..

[Clayton80future]

We're all different in what we want to see. To me though two teams playing great defense is what makes a game a classic. I know most of the newer fans want to see the 51-50 type of game, give me the 3-0 game and defenses really getting after each other.

I want to see a nice balance of great offense/defense in this game.

[BucKilla28]

12 - 9 .. last FG wins ..
I hope that last FG belongs to Cismesia

[dbucsfan]

Fsu!!!!!

[I'm an 0-26 Survivor]

We're all different in what we want to see. To me though two teams playing great defense is what makes a game a classic. I know most of the newer fans want to see the 51-50 type of game, give me the 3-0 game and defenses really getting after each other.


Sorry, Patrick....... :grinno:
The casualness that is me wants a route. Something in the area of 47 to 6 would be fine. With the history of these two teams, there should never be less than a 10 point differential.
It can be different at the end of the year, because all that's needed is 1 point when it comes to that rivalry.



And since FSU is the only one that doesn't mind playing the both of them......

[Cold Buc Fan]

Here's hoping The Chop reaches all the way down to The Orange Bowl.
Go Noles!

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[I'm an 0-26 Survivor]

Thunder and lightning all around here.

My contacts in Miami are saying its buckets down there......


:mad: :mad: :mad:

[BucBackInTexas]

Who do you cheer for, the pretentious private school from down south, or the school farther north filled with bitter people who didn't get into a certain school a little bit to the east...

Decisions, decisions. This looks like a classic case of rooting against one team, instead of rooting for another.

[I'm an 0-26 Survivor]

To the East? You mean North Florida?

[BucBackInTexas]

If that makes you feel better :P

[I'm an 0-26 Survivor]

Just trying to help you.

If you meant Florida, it's Southeast of Tallahassee.



They just don't teach geography like they used to. :grinno:

[BucBackInTexas]

Why not be a little more specific and say east-southseast? I thought FSU was the one with the meteorology school in Florida! :confused: :confused:

Here's to an enjoyable game. That's the most I can wish for as per the rules of this board :grinyes:

[I'm an 0-26 Survivor]

Whatever. :cool:

It would be more enjoyable if the head linesman had better glasses.....


Patrick gets his close game. Too bad bonehead penalties gum up the works......



Play of the game so far: Excellent 68 yard punt by Miami.

[sapp is da man]

Why not be a little more specific and say east-southseast? I thought FSU was the one with the meteorology school in Florida! :confused: :confused:

Here's to an enjoyable game. That's the most I can wish for as per the rules of this board :grinyes:
Meterology is weather *******.

[BucBackInTexas]

Meterology is weather *******....and? I'm glad you know your weather terms. :confused:

[Clayton80future]

...and? I'm glad you know your weather terms. :confused:

Well duh, of course she does. You know why?

[BucBackInTexas]

Well duh, of course she does. You know why?Am I being fished in? I bite.

[Cold Buc Fan]

FSU rushing = SPF 0, block nothing.

[BucBackInTexas]

FSU rushing = SPF 0, block nothing.Ha, that's a good one :cool:

[sapp is da man]

...and? I'm glad you know your weather terms. :confused:
You're a regular ambassador.

[BucBackInTexas]

Yech. Congratulations FSU.

That hurt to type.

[NYBucsFan]

You know what would be great? A college football forum...

[sapp is da man]

Yeah baby!

[I'm an 0-26 Survivor]

Ugh. I'll take the win. And the payoff.
But dadgum Patrick got his wish. I hate close games against those guys.



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[doobiedoright]

congratts to the noles!
See you in a few months!

[Buc Basil]

F-L-O-R-I-D-A... S-T-A-T-E!
Florida State!
Florida State!
Florida State!
Wooooo! :grinyes:

That's what I'm talking about - classic rivalry smashmouth game.

Nerve-wrecking, but in the end it was a great result!

GO NOLES!

[tampabayfan]

I dont know what Bowden said to the guys at halftime, but it sure woke them up.

[njdshady2001]

Gotta love the Jersey guy Michael Ray Garvin.

Well I hate him because he played for one of my high school's biggest rivals. He went to Don Bosco Prep which is the school that the youngest Simms is the QB for. We beat the little crybaby for the State Championship last year and we will do it agian this year.

[Chamillionaire]

This Campus is electric right now.....

[Crocaneers]

12 - 9 .. last FG wins ..

See post at 6:45 PM ... Not a bad prediction ... HUH??

[bucs sb 06]

that defense is unstopable

[Patrick McIrish]

I dont know what Bowden said to the guys at halftime, but it sure woke them up.


EXACTLY!!! Beating their man on the field had nothing to do with it, what the 75 year old muttered at halftime is what turned the game around! :rolleyes:

Wake up to reality dear, those "Invincible" things only happen in movies. Or perhaps that lesbian league you played in, LOL. I am sure the coach pulled off her panty hose and ripped it in pieces as the rest of you grabbed your purses and headed out to play inspired football but this is the men we are talking about. :anigrin:

[Patrick McIrish]

Ugh. I'll take the win. And the payoff.
But dadgum Patrick got his wish. I hate close games against those guys.






The bad thing is he's barely kidding, many would rather lose than be with me and win, LOL. Just lucky call here, who could have known the weather was going to be bad and that two defenses would have trouble moving the ball?

Congrats to the FSU backers.

[I'm an 0-26 Survivor]

Thanks, I guess.

tbf.....that cut deep. Was it something you said? :eek:

[Patrick McIrish]

Thanks, I guess.


:rolleyes:



tbf.....that cut deep. Was it something you said?


It's called a sense of humor, I'm sure you were forced to develop one as you traveled through life on that rollercoaster of "success". If not you should have. Next time I will be careful not to throw any ladies football smack at anyone, don't want to wound you again sir.


Incredible. Others can run smack and goof off all day long, let me try it once and the world ends. People pick up razors and scream bloody murder if I mix it up a little. Sigh, I am sure that other freak friend will be along soon with the rest of the pity party. :(

[I'm an 0-26 Survivor]

Don't get all excited on me Patrick. If it's a private joke then fine by me. I was rather surprised to see something like that being thrown out. Maybe it was misread by me. Fine.....I myself don't care to get into the personal ****ing constests.


I would have done the same for anyone here. Even you.

No need to bow up. ;)

[SN4]

I am sure that I will be in the minority around here in this opinion; however, I am growing tired of this inept drivel that these two teams are giving during the “premier” game of the week.

Seriously, I am all for a good defensive game. But that was anything but. At best, it was some decent defensive teams playing completely inept offenses.

Anyway, congrats to FSU on the win.

[Patrick McIrish]

Don't get all excited on me Patrick. If it's a private joke then fine by me. I was rather surprised to see something like that being thrown out. Maybe it was misread by me.


Good point, I know you are known to stand up for what is right and wrong around here. When I leave I think the one thing I will remember is you standing up in front the angry mob and singlehandedly holding your ground!

Sigh. Almost 6 years of reading my stuff and a reference to a ladies football league has you all teary eyed and confused? I know one thing, TBF and her EVS is going to be digging this all day. LOL.


I would have done the same for anyone here. Even you.

Appreciate it but I prefer to travel light, I don't want another I have to try to be nice to all the time, Mom was enough.

[Patrick McIrish]

Seriously, I am all for a good defensive game. But that was anything but. At best, it was some decent defensive teams playing completely inept offenses.




UF grad I assume? If your hair didn't stand up on your arms after watching that kind of defense you watch for the wrong reasons. That is two powerhouse defenses! Let's put it this way, there are some professionals playing in the NFL that couldn't start for either of those defenses, Bolden and Hovan for two.

Incredible game.

[SN4]

UF grad I assume? If your hair didn't stand up on your arms after watching that kind of defense you watch for the wrong reasons. That is two powerhouse defenses! Let's put it this way, there are some professionals playing in the NFL that couldn't start for either of those defenses, Bolden and Hovan for two.

Incredible game.

UF grad? Yes.. (and 100% proud of it)

However, I am a fan of football before I am a fan of anything else (Bucs, Gators). To me a “good defensive game” involves a lot of “bend, don’t break”, it has offenses that generate yardage and first downs, but simply can’t string together enough plays to push into scoring position. It’s a chess game of field position, and forced mistakes, and it’s the mistakes that generate points.

That is not what was played last night. To me, it was a display of “ok, don’t screw up” instead of “lets find a way to make this work”.

I laughed out loud at Weatherford last night a couple of times… Once was when the announcers were stating over and over again at how he had matured as a quarterback from last year, and faced with a 3rd and long (17 I think)… how last year, he would try and force the ball down field and gain the first down… they literally said… “lets see what his decision is now”… He did the exact same thing.. threw a poor pass about 20 yards down field… They didn’t mention anything about it again. The other one was how Weatherford spent all this time going over his 18 interceptions so he doesn’t make the same mistakes again… His interception… yep, you guessed it, more of the same.

Miami was not all in the clear either. One play, Miami was saved by a dead ball penalty, but it was a jail break blitz and Wright runs backwards to avoid the blitz. Had the play been a live he would have lost 15 yards… not only is this a mistake, this is a High School mistake. Not a mistake that an experienced, top tier college quarterback makes… (sadly enough, this is seen in the NFL at times too).

Anyway… both offensive lines were porous. Pass blocking was about par, run blocking was awful, on both sides of the ball. It is no surprise that both defenses looked good… they could do just about anything they wanted against resistance like that.

Anyway, that is just how I feel. Personally, I have almost as much animosity towards Notre Dame as I do towards FSU (more towards Charlie Weis, but that is another discussion), and I thought the ND/GaTech game (14 to 10) game was fantastic…

[BugAhaBuc]

Wow, what a great game.
Gotta love those heated rivalries.

[florida_gat0r]

I dont know what Bowden said to the guys at halftime, but it sure woke them up.
What Bowden said? It was Mickey Andrews that won that game for them. Once again FSU's offense looks inept and I'm sure the, "FIRE JEFF BOWDEN" chant will continue.

I strongly feel the game is passing/passed Bobby by. Also, if it wasn't for Mickey Andrews coaching the D and the continued top tier talent recruiting the Noles would slip into mediocrity.

[sapp is da man]

Who ya think does the top talent recruiting??

[Ruger7mmmag]

UF grad? Yes.. (and 100% proud of it)

However, I am a fan of football before I am a fan of anything else (Bucs, Gators). To me a “good defensive game” involves a lot of “bend, don’t break”, it has offenses that generate yardage and first downs, but simply can’t string together enough plays to push into scoring position. It’s a chess game of field position, and forced mistakes, and it’s the mistakes that generate points.

That is not what was played last night. To me, it was a display of “ok, don’t screw up” instead of “lets find a way to make this work”.

I laughed out loud at Weatherford last night a couple of times… Once was when the announcers were stating over and over again at how he had matured as a quarterback from last year, and faced with a 3rd and long (17 I think)… how last year, he would try and force the ball down field and gain the first down… they literally said… “lets see what his decision is now”… He did the exact same thing.. threw a poor pass about 20 yards down field… They didn’t mention anything about it again. The other one was how Weatherford spent all this time going over his 18 interceptions so he doesn’t make the same mistakes again… His interception… yep, you guessed it, more of the same.

Miami was not all in the clear either. One play, Miami was saved by a dead ball penalty, but it was a jail break blitz and Wright runs backwards to avoid the blitz. Had the play been a live he would have lost 15 yards… not only is this a mistake, this is a High School mistake. Not a mistake that an experienced, top tier college quarterback makes… (sadly enough, this is seen in the NFL at times too).

Anyway… both offensive lines were porous. Pass blocking was about par, run blocking was awful, on both sides of the ball. It is no surprise that both defenses looked good… they could do just about anything they wanted against resistance like that.

Anyway, that is just how I feel. Personally, I have almost as much animosity towards Notre Dame as I do towards FSU (more towards Charlie Weis, but that is another discussion), and I thought the ND/GaTech game (14 to 10) game was fantastic…
I bet you were the same guy who said the same thing about this game LAST YEAR only to watch a majority of the starters on FSU to go in the FIRST ROUND of the NFL draft this year.

A number of the guys you were watching last night WILL be playing on Sundays in the future just like last year.

Watch what this defense does to Leak/Tebow later this year. UF fans always have a book of excuses ready to go (uncle and TONS of cousins went to UF) so I imagine this year will be more of the same as FSU's defense this year is LOADED. That was without even having Myron Rolle "in the loop" who is going to be a stud once he gets in a few more games and gets a feel for whats happening out there.

[Patrick McIrish]

What Bowden said? It was Mickey Andrews that won that game for them. Once again FSU's offense looks inept and I'm sure the, "FIRE JEFF BOWDEN" chant will continue.




I agree with this, if not for Daddy then doubt Jeff would be the OC of a powerhouse program like this. I am sure one of the things that Bobby wants to do before he retires is get this son a head coach job too before he leaves. Have to make him a coordinator and prays he gets better I guess before that can happen.

[tampabayfan]

EXACTLY!!! Beating their man on the field had nothing to do with it, what the 75 year old muttered at halftime is what turned the game around! :rolleyes:

Wake up to reality dear, those "Invincible" things only happen in movies. Or perhaps that lesbian league you played in, LOL. I am sure the coach pulled off her panty hose and ripped it in pieces as the rest of you grabbed your purses and headed out to play inspired football but this is the men we are talking about. :anigrin:
Pat what the hell are you mumbling now? Did you hear Bobby at half time--they needed to work on their blocking. Guess what the offense came out after half time and gave the qb some time and made some holes for the running back--wow they went from 1 yard rushing in the first half to over 130 in the second. What the heck does that have to do with the D?

As far as my old football days--we had a male coach numbnuts.

[tampabayfan]

Thanks, I guess.

tbf.....that cut deep. Was it something you said? :eek:
irish doesnt bother me--I see right through him. He likes to yank people's chain, but normally only has half the facts to work with.

[Ruger7mmmag]

What Bowden said? It was Mickey Andrews that won that game for them. Once again FSU's offense looks inept and I'm sure the, "FIRE JEFF BOWDEN" chant will continue.

I strongly feel the game is passing/passed Bobby by. Also, if it wasn't for Mickey Andrews coaching the D and the continued top tier talent recruiting the Noles would slip into mediocrity.
Totally agree. Andrews did win that game and Jeff Bowden did all he could to keep Miami in it. Almost everytime they went deep to ***g, he made Miami pay. That matchup should've been played up much more than it was. Plus, Bowden in no way got the ball to Davis in space. He showed on the one punt return how dangerous he could be given just a little room to work. Not too mention he continued to waste Lorenzo Booker's greatest strength which is catching the ball out of the backfield. Luckily, Booker bailed him out with that "sick" move to avoid that tackle and take it down the field to set up that TD. That play was the one that broke Miami's back.

If you've watched FSU for years though; it doesn't matter what team or what guys they had on it at the time; WHEN IT RAINS FSU DOES NOT SCORE POINTS. What was amazing was they didn't have the usual 3 fumbles they usually have in the rain.

[14dabucs]

http://bbs.buccaneers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=25

[Patrick McIrish]

Pat what the hell are you mumbling now? Did you hear Bobby at half time--they needed to work on their blocking. Guess what the offense came out after half time and gave the qb some time and made some holes for the running back--wow they went from 1 yard rushing in the first half to over 130 in the second. What the heck does that have to do with the D?


Blocking!!!?!?!?!?!?! OMG, I never even realized that the game entailed you were supposed to block!! I bet those players didn't realize it either. Thank goodness Coach Bowden reminded them you are supposed to block, that is what saved the football game!!! Let's just hope none of the other 300 plus football coaches hear about this double secret inside tip that FSU knows about, they will say the same thing at halftime and nobody will ever lose!

Err...yeah Patrick, my take is that no one realized the team had to block. Bobby said it at halftime and that is what saved the game! I am literally crying right now. Never mind Captain Obvious, I can't even bother you for this one. :rotf: :rotf:

[Patrick McIrish]

PS - maybe she's on to something, just to be safe can someone remind Chuck that his offense is supposed to block? This mindnumbing insite about the game needs to be shared!!!!

[BucKilla28]

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[florida_gat0r]

Who ya think does the top talent recruiting??
His recruiters? :D

No really, while he is a good recruiter (living on his past achievements) does not mean he's a good coach anymore. Hey, I respect Bobby for everything he's done, but keeping his son on board to help him get a HC job could be his downfall. Personally, as a Gator fan I hope he keeps Jeff on. Makes it easier on Florida's defense.

[tampabayfan]

Blocking!!!?!?!?!?!?! OMG, I never even realized that the game entailed you were supposed to block!! I bet those players didn't realize it either. Thank goodness Coach Bowden reminded them you are supposed to block, that is what saved the football game!!! Let's just hope none of the other 300 plus football coaches hear about this double secret inside tip that FSU knows about, they will say the same thing at halftime and nobody will ever lose!

Err...yeah Patrick, my take is that no one realized the team had to block. Bobby said it at halftime and that is what saved the game! I am literally crying right now. Never mind Captain Obvious, I can't even bother you for this one. :rotf: :rotf:
its called adjustments to aid in the line blocking better--did you even watch the game or just running off at the gums?

[SN4]

I bet you were the same guy who said the same thing about this game LAST YEAR only to watch a majority of the starters on FSU to go in the FIRST ROUND of the NFL draft this year.

A number of the guys you were watching last night WILL be playing on Sundays in the future just like last year.

Watch what this defense does to Leak/Tebow later this year. UF fans always have a book of excuses ready to go (uncle and TONS of cousins went to UF) so I imagine this year will be more of the same as FSU's defense this year is LOADED. That was without even having Myron Rolle "in the loop" who is going to be a stud once he gets in a few more games and gets a feel for whats happening out there.

Is it going to be close to what those "majority of the starters on FSU to go in the FIRST ROUND of the NFL draft this year" (your words, not mine) did to Leak/UF last year? LOL, had to get that one in there.

Anyway, producing players for the NFL (aka, talent) is not the only measure of how good a program is, or how well they are coached/directed. If you want proof of this.. look at the USA basketball team over the last decade. Arguably, the best talent on the court, can't win gold.

I did say this last year, and I will say it again this year. The game has no REAL meaning. Personally, as a fan of football... I would LOVE to see this game at week 3 or 4, maybe 5. Teams much more polished, and a loss hurts MUCH more at this point of the season. The ACC also screwed up putting both teams in different divisions. This game means a whole lot more if they are in the same division and the loser of the game now has to hope and pray for the other team to screw up somewhere else in the ACC. However, given the ACC structure and the fact that one loss (especially very early in the season) doesn't necessarily take you out of national championship contention, this being the first game of the season takes a lot of the feel away from it.

Honestly, can you say that Miami looked seriously worried about losing the game when they were down? (or FSU for that matter)... Did you get the deep down gut feeling that the players knew one of their top goals for the season was on the line? I didn't... Becuase I think they knew it wasn't.

I agree with this, if not for Daddy then doubt Jeff would be the OC of a powerhouse program like this. I am sure one of the things that Bobby wants to do before he retires is get this son a head coach job too before he leaves. Have to make him a coordinator and prays he gets better I guess before that can happen.

One of the problems with FSU, IMO... Family favors rarely work out well. If anything, the fanbase has animosity towards it, and that just puts more pressure on Jeff to not screw up, because he knows that every screwup is going to be scrutinized (sp?).

[Patrick McIrish]

Yeah I think Bowden is still a great recruiter if his energy stays up. When I was a kid he came to a little church I went to and talked to everyone, even my Pop was impressed and he didn't like anybody. I mean this was a hick town with barely 50 members in the church, he didn't go for any reason but to spread the good word. No cameras, no publicity, just Bobby one on one with the town.

Always respected the man.

[florida_gat0r]

Question for Miami is...

Where in the hell was Olsen?

Arguably the best offensive talent on the team and he caught 2 passes for 8 yards? 4 WR's with barely enough play time and they don't throw to Olsen? Coker is a moron for that.

[Patrick McIrish]

its called adjustments to aid in the line blocking better--did you even watch the game or just running off at the gums?



Please, this is Patrick. Last thing you know about this subject is ferociously trying to block the beer kegs at some frat party I doubt you even remember. I insist you keep it real when you address me out here. I got a question about how many beers I can drink and still possibly live, I'll ask you. A question about football let's leave those for me huh? Thanks.

[Patrick McIrish]

I kept hearing warnings from some Cane pals abouts this super stud freshman named Shields before the game. Boy did they call that one right. :grinno:

[Patrick McIrish]

One of the problems with FSU, IMO... Family favors rarely work out well. If anything, the fanbase has animosity towards it, and that just puts more pressure on Jeff to not screw up, because he knows that every screwup is going to be scrutinized (sp?).

Agree with you, pick a new topic if you're trying to start an argument. I hated playing when my Pop coached, and later I hated having an assistant that had a son on the team. You just don't need that stuff.

I got no horse in this, I don't like FSU or Miami over the other, but I don't think Jeff Bowden should be the OC of this team. If Dad wasn't there I sincerely doubt he would be.

Anyway got to get some exercise, if I don't I can't stay nice all day long. :grinno:

[Patrick McIrish]

Booker High grad, Sarasota, FL. He is a stud.


That's the word, did you watch the game? Probably one of the biggest plays of the game and he drops a PERFECT pass, I mean dead in the numbers. That lost the game IMO, at least lost their best chance at winning.

No doubt he might be a stud someday in the future, but he wasn't one last night IMO. He killed his club.

[bucwench]

He didn't have a great game, but he's young--give him time. He'll show you his stuff.

[tampabayfan]

Please, this is Patrick. Last thing you know about this subject is ferociously trying to block the beer kegs at some frat party I doubt you even remember. I insist you keep it real when you address me out here. I got a question about how many beers I can drink and still possibly live, I'll ask you. A question about football let's leave those for me huh? Thanks.
Pat I think I will stick to asking you about the mullet militia

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[Ruger7mmmag]

Is it going to be close to what those "majority of the starters on FSU to go in the FIRST ROUND of the NFL draft this year" (your words, not mine) did to Leak/UF last year? LOL, had to get that one in there.

Anyway, producing players for the NFL (aka, talent) is not the only measure of how good a program is, or how well they are coached/directed. If you want proof of this.. look at the USA basketball team over the last decade. Arguably, the best talent on the court, can't win gold.

I did say this last year, and I will say it again this year. The game has no REAL meaning. Personally, as a fan of football... I would LOVE to see this game at week 3 or 4, maybe 5. Teams much more polished, and a loss hurts MUCH more at this point of the season. The ACC also screwed up putting both teams in different divisions. This game means a whole lot more if they are in the same division and the loser of the game now has to hope and pray for the other team to screw up somewhere else in the ACC. However, given the ACC structure and the fact that one loss (especially very early in the season) doesn't necessarily take you out of national championship contention, this being the first game of the season takes a lot of the feel away from it.

Honestly, can you say that Miami looked seriously worried about losing the game when they were down? (or FSU for that matter)... Did you get the deep down gut feeling that the players knew one of their top goals for the season was on the line? I didn't... Becuase I think they knew it wasn't.

One of the problems with FSU, IMO... Family favors rarely work out well. If anything, the fanbase has animosity towards it, and that just puts more pressure on Jeff to not screw up, because he knows that every screwup is going to be scrutinized (sp?).
I appreciate your opinion though I disagree. The reason they did this was bc FSU and Miami already had been playing eachother for years so why would Miami even join the ACC to be put on the same side of a team they already had to play who would always be a top ten team? what's the incentive there when they were already assured of winning the Big East year after year? If anything, college football is built around $$$$. A UM/FSU rematch will get more pub and $$$ than either of those teams against ANYONE else in that division, regardless of how good the other team may be.

Considering how much these two teams HATE each other; both sides CARE! If you've ever played sports; did you play less hard when the game didn't matter? I've never played on a WINNING team who had this attitude. A team who is driven to win; plays to win every game regardless of circumstance. Let alone; losing this game may not take you out of a big bowl, but it almost assures taking you out of the championship game as you can usually bet on 2 or 3 teams running the wire. And even if it comes down to one loss teams; starting where they both did, one loss guarantees them they won't be in the championship game, regardless if they run the table.

So I don't see how you can think that game last night didn't mean anything.

[UMiamiBucFan]

I kept hearing warnings from some Cane pals abouts this super stud freshman named Shields before the game. Boy did they call that one right. :grinno:
I kept hearing about this guy Myron Rolle...but he had a chance to stop Jenkins' catch and run for a first down and he whiffed (this was on third down). Its their first game, they were both bound to make mistakes. I think both will be great players for FSU and UM. Probably will end up lining up against each other a lot.

Am I the only one that hates the new clock rules? Its ridiculous how fast the game goes now. Just look at all the delay of game penalties. The clock even runs on a change of possession. FSU actually could have milked more time off the clock on their last possession because of that offsides penalty. They wound the clock after that and FSU snapped it when there was still like 22 seconds on the playclock. Typically, each team gets about 60-70 offensive plays. In this game, each got around 50. So now we get less action for the same price? Stupid.

I think these new clock rules eliminate possibilities for 4th quarter comebacks and ruin the last few dramatic finishes in college football. 90% of the games are blowouts anyways and now no 4th quarter comebacks, how can anyone prefer college over the NFL?

[florida_gat0r]

I like the clock moving. Keeps the game going and commercials off my TV as much.

[Fan since 88]

Miami. Great, great defense as always. Looked impressive 95% of the game.

Kyle Wright. You fail. You know you cant outrun that Noles defense yet you run around in the pocket until you get sacked 15 yards behind the line. Whatever happen to throwing the ball away. That was pretty damn bad. Grant it, that o-line is the worst ive seen in coral gables in a while. I wonder how this game wouldve went with tyrone moss and Moore in the game...


BTW, the last pass. When there is a guy coming right at you to hit you, you throw the ball before you start falling back. he got scared and threw the ball while falling backwards, thus, resulting in a crappy throw that ended a horrible second half.

Larry Coker, time for you to go. You have two straight losses to florida st. now. You havent got miami in contention for the national title since '02. A game that we lost. We lost against teams like north carolina, GT, and Arkansas. Teams we shouldve walked over. Instead we lose those games and cost the team a chance for the NC.

I am venting a bit, but seeing your team get knocked out of national championship contention for most the season, makes you a little irate. I dont see more than one team running the table this year, so i wont count them out entirely yet. But with that offense, it's gonna be very tough to watch them this year.

[Ruger7mmmag]

The new clock rules suck. Now we trade plays for refs!

[florida_gat0r]

Miami. Great, great defense as always. Looked impressive 95% of the game.

Kyle Wright. You fail. You know you cant outrun that Noles defense yet you run around in the pocket until you get sacked 15 yards behind the line. Whatever happen to throwing the ball away. That was pretty damn bad. Grant it, that o-line is the worst ive seen in coral gables in a while. I wonder how this game wouldve went with tyrone moss and Moore in the game...


BTW, the last pass. When there is a guy coming right at you to hit you, you throw the ball before you start falling back. he got scared and threw the ball while falling backwards, thus, resulting in a crappy throw that ended a horrible second half.

Larry Coker, time for you to go. You have two straight losses to florida st. now. You havent got miami in contention for the national title since '02. A game that we lost. We lost against teams like north carolina, GT, and Arkansas. Teams we shouldve walked over. Instead we lose those games and cost the team a chance for the NC.

I am venting a bit, but seeing your team get knocked out of national championship contention for most the season, makes you a little irate. I dont see more than one team running the table this year, so i wont count them out entirely yet. But with that offense, it's gonna be very tough to watch them this year.
You sound like a Spurrier led Gator fan. :anigrin:
Spoiled.
It's ridiculous to believe you will run the table every year. (although it's fun having it happen)
Coker is a good coach and Miami has a good team.

[Fan since 88]

You sound like a Spurrier led Gator fan. :anigrin:
Spoiled.
It's ridiculous to believe you will run the table every year. (although it's fun having it happen)
Coker is a good coach and Miami has a good team.

You just expect a lot from Miami. Im not taking anything away from there defense, because miami looked incredible in that aspect. And I was blowing off some steam there.

[DKWEST]

Now The seminoles have a cake walk all the way to Gainesville

[florida_gat0r]

Now The seminoles have a cake walk all the way to Gainesville
All ACC games? :D

edit:
Sep 4 @Miami (Fla.) Won 13-10
Sep 9 Troy (looks like an early UF match-up)
Sep 16 Clemson (don't over look Tommy Bowden)
Sep 23 Rice (easy win)
Oct 5 @N. Carolina St. (Chuck Amato could take it to Bowden again!)
Oct 14 @Duke (no comment)
Oct 21 Boston College (always a hard nosed, tough fight)
Oct 28 @Maryland (long for the years passed)
Nov 4 Virginia (could raise a stink)
Nov 11 Wake Forest (I like how this program has gotten better)
Nov 18 W. Michigan (blah)
Nov 25 Florida (always a slobber knocker!)

[QBSimms2]

FSU


AWESOME GAME

[Acacius]

Now The seminoles have a cake walk all the way to Gainesville

Gah, I don't even want to be thinking those sorts of thoughts. Granted, it only matters if the team thinks them, but it's still the sort of thing that makes me think "well, that's a good way to make sure the team loses to someone like NC State again".

[Selmon63]

The Defense looks plenty good. That running game looks as abyssmal as last year. For all the talk about Lorenzo Booker, I'm still not convinced he's elite.

[tampabayfan]

All ACC games? :D

edit:
Sep 4 @Miami (Fla.) Won 13-10
Sep 9 Troy (looks like an early UF match-up)
Sep 16 Clemson (don't over look Tommy Bowden)
Sep 23 Rice (easy win)
Oct 5 @N. Carolina St. (Chuck Amato could take it to Bowden again!)
Oct 14 @Duke (no comment)
Oct 21 Boston College (always a hard nosed, tough fight)
Oct 28 @Maryland (long for the years passed)
Nov 4 Virginia (could raise a stink)
Nov 11 Wake Forest (I like how this program has gotten better)
Nov 18 W. Michigan (blah)
Nov 25 Florida (always a slobber knocker!)
the only games on that schedule that FSU may lose is Clemson, BC and UF. NC state might come up and bite them in the butt if they overlook the game, which I doubt they do. So far FSU looks stronger than they did last year--either that or Miami has really gone downhill. Rice, Duke, Wake Forest, W Michigan, and Maryland--oh my god, if it werent for basketball these teams would be in the MAC.

[florida_gat0r]

the only games on that schedule that FSU may lose is Clemson, BC and UF. NC state might come up and bite them in the butt if they overlook the game, which I doubt they do. So far FSU looks stronger than they did last year--either that or Miami has really gone downhill. Rice, Duke, Wake Forest, W Michigan, and Maryland--oh my god, if it werent for basketball these teams would be in the MAC.
Yup, basically what I said. Although, I wouldn't say they look stronger than they did last year. The D is still very good and the O is floundering and looking for some leadership.

BRING BACK RIX!

P.S. Do not over look Wake Forest. This is not the same Wake of years gone by. They have been pretty good offensively.

[PhillyBucFan]

the only games on that schedule that FSU may lose is Clemson, BC and UF. NC state might come up and bite them in the butt if they overlook the game, which I doubt they do. So far FSU looks stronger than they did last year--either that or Miami has really gone downhill. Rice, Duke, Wake Forest, W Michigan, and Maryland--oh my god, if it werent for basketball these teams would be in the MAC.


That was the whole point of joining the ACC... the ACC wanted to legitamize their football program, while FSU wanted to increase funding/recruiting for the basketball program.

I don't think it worked out the way they hoped, because the rest of ACC football is just not on the same level of competition... and that's what the ACC wanted.

[tampabayfan]

P.S. Do not over look Wake Forest. This is not the same Wake of years gone by. They have been pretty good offensively.
LOL instead of beating them 56-0, the score will be 47-20.

[florida_gat0r]

LOL instead of beating them 56-0, the score will be 47-20.
FSU can score more than 13 points?

[I'm an 0-26 Survivor]

Anybody know what year the Gators are going to play the Canes?

[florida_gat0r]

Anybody know what year the Gators are going to play the Canes?
The Florida Gators and the Miami Hurricanes have reached a tentative agreement to play at least two games in the next 10 years. While nothing is signed, the terms call for a game in Gainesville in 2008 and a game in Coral Gables in 2013. The teams will have an option for additional games beyond the first two, with the possibility of playing at a neutral site like Tampa, Orlando, or Jacksonville.

[tampabayfan]

Gators vs Miami (http://www.floridatoday.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060228/SPORTS/602280326/1002/SPORTS)

08 will be next matchup

[Patrick McIrish]

Rice, Duke, Wake Forest, W Michigan, and Maryland--oh my god, if it werent for basketball these teams would be in the MAC.


Say what? OK I give, what conference do you think W Michigan is in?

:lol:

[tampabayfan]

Say what? OK I give, what conference do you think W Michigan is in?

:lol:
whoooosh the comment went over your head I see. I know C mich is not in the acc but they are on FSU schedule. Another sorry team for them to beat up on. Get the point--if not check the top of your head.

[Patrick McIrish]

whoooosh the comment went over your head I see. I know C mich is not in the acc but they are on FSU schedule.

Now it's C Michigan, not W Michigan? Not sure if you understand the significance of that first letter but it's big when commonly referring to universities, W Michigan, C Michigan, E Michigan are all different though they end in Michigan. Either way you said and I quote:


....W Michigan, and Maryland--oh my god, if it werent for basketball these teams would be in the MAC.

Seems clear to me what you said, in fact it's crystal clear. For the record W Mich IS in the MAC. For that matter so is C Michigan, the new team that appeared out of nowhere as you tried to dig out from being wrong yet once again. Seriously, why not dry out for a few days? Only WHOOSHING sound in your life is you and those blood shot red eyes dodging those shot glasses up at the bar. 'Nuff said.

[Ruger7mmmag]

The Florida Gators and the Miami Hurricanes have reached a tentative agreement to play at least two games in the next 10 years. While nothing is signed, the terms call for a game in Gainesville in 2008 and a game in Coral Gables in 2013. The teams will have an option for additional games beyond the first two, with the possibility of playing at a neutral site like Tampa, Orlando, or Jacksonville.
Whenever I hear a UF fan talk about schedules, it's laughable. FSU has been playing Miami every year for ages yet UF dumped them bc they knew it was an automatic loss every year. IF FSU had dropped Miami during the 90s, FSU would have 4 or 5 more championships as those losses to Miami were the only thing keeping them out of the title games.

Oooh, UF is going to play them in 08 and 2013!!! WOW! By 2013 FSU and Miami will play how many times? Not too mention they HAVEN'T EVEN AGREED TO THOSE TWO MEETINGS YET!!!!

Talk about not having any balls. I guess UF wants to make sure they can't line up a better heavy hitter like a Middle Tennessee State...

Edit-Oh yeah forgot. Does UF ever schedule good nonconference teams? Other than FSU? Just in the last few years other than Miami they've scheduled teams like USC, Notre Dame (2x); Louisville, West Virginia, Colorado, Iowa State, Virginia Tech (prior to joining the ACC), Texas A&M etc. And before you say anything like "why didn't they schedule SEC teams"; they did. But when they drubbed Southern Miss 54-16 or something like that.

What were UF's non conference foes from 96 to 2005?

[sapp is da man]

True dat home diggity!

[BucFanClw]

Whenever I hear a UF fan talk about schedules, it's laughable. FSU has been playing Miami every year for ages yet UF dumped them bc they knew it was an automatic loss every year. IF FSU had dropped Miami during the 90s, FSU would have 4 or 5 more championships as those losses to Miami were the only thing keeping them out of the title games.

Oooh, UF is going to play them in 08 and 2013!!! WOW! By 2013 FSU and Miami will play how many times? Not too mention they HAVEN'T EVEN AGREED TO THOSE TWO MEETINGS YET!!!!

Talk about not having any balls. I guess UF wants to make sure they can't line up a better heavy hitter like a Middle Tennessee State...
Yeah, because Tennessee, Auburn, LSU, and Georgia is a total cakewalk of a schedule vs Miami..... and ummm.... Clemson....

[florida_gat0r]

Ruger Ruger, Ruger... that's mighty big coming from a school who just RECENTLY gained legitimacy to their weak, lame ACC conference.

I don't disagree about the UM/UF thing. Show me who won't play the other and why. They used to play and are making strides to play again.

You put it off that Florida plays a cake schedule. Well, looking at this years schedule Florida plays 5 top twelve teams, and FSU plays 3 in the top 18. SO while FSU season in and season out faced a few challenging teams, Florida fought it out with all the teams in their conference who are generally ranked and much better than the weak ACC FSU faced until recently.

Also, just wanted to add. Seems to me since Miami, VaTech, Boston College joined the ACC, your FSU boys don't seem to be doing so well. Nice to see you finally have some competition in the regular season. That's ok tho... keep making fun of Florida not playing Miami. Besides Florida, Miami has been the only competition you faced.

Sep 2 Southern Miss Won 34-7
Sep 9 Central Florida
Sep 16 @#11 Tennessee
Sep 23 Kentucky
Sep 30 Alabama (Should be ranked)
Oct 7#8 LSU
Oct 14 @#4 Auburn
Oct 28 #12 Georgia
Nov 4 @Vanderbilt (Cutler took us to triple OT last season)
Nov 11 South Carolina (Spurrier coached and beat us last year)
Nov 18 Western Carolina
Nov 25 @#9 Florida St.

Sep 4 @#17 Miami (Fla.) Won 13-10
Sep 9 Troy
Sep 16 #18 Clemson
Sep 23 Rice
Oct 5 @N. Carolina St.
Oct 14 @Duke
Oct 21 Boston College
Oct 28 @Maryland
Nov 4 Virginia
Nov 11 Wake Forest
Nov 18 W. Michigan
Nov 25 #7 Florida

Here's my edit: Make fun of Middle Tennessee State... maybe we should schedule teams like Troy, Rice, Dule, Wake Forest and W. Michigan all in one season.

[Ruger7mmmag]

Yeah, because Tennessee, Auburn, LSU, and Georgia is a total cakewalk of a schedule vs Miami..... and ummm.... Clemson....
I edited my above post, but the SEC is overrated. Living on past hype. The SEC gets all this hype and then they get killed in the majority of their bowl games. I rememeber West Virginia wiping the floor with UGA last year in what was basically a HOME GAME for UGA. The almighty SEC champ vs. the lowly Big East, shouldn't even have a BCS Birth (according to SEC fans prior to the game).

The SEC isn't any better than any other conference in the country right now. Their top 3 teams are decent, but the rest are crap!

[DKWEST]

I edited my above post, but the SEC is overrated. Living on past hype. The SEC gets all this hype and then they get killed in the majority of their bowl games. I rememeber West Virginia wiping the floor with UGA last year in what was basically a HOME GAME for UGA. The almighty SEC champ vs. the lowly Big East, shouldn't even have a BCS Birth (according to SEC fans prior to the game).

The SEC isn't any better than any other conference in the country right now. Their top 3 teams are decent, but the rest are crap!

Do You truely believe that the ACC is anywhere in the same class as the SEC?

Sure each of the teams have their ups and downs, but year in year out Florida, Tennessee, Auburn, Alabama, LSU , and Georigia are always a threat to any team they play.

[DKWEST]

SEC teams have won 16 National Championships in Football,..

How many ACC teams have acheived that honor?


Here I'll answer that for you: 2 (3 total,.. Georgis Tech won twice) and that was in 1917, and 1928.. Clemson won back in 1981

[Selmon63]

Do You truely believe that the ACC is anywhere in the same class as the SEC?

Sure each of the teams have their ups and downs, but year in year out Florida, Tennessee, Auburn, Alabama, LSU , and Georigia are always a threat to any team they play.


And FSU, Georgia Tech, Miami, NC State, Virginia Tech aren't a threat???

The SEC is no longer the premiere conference in the South. I'm not saying there's a clear cut winner here - but the ACC is certainly in the same class.

EDIT: Oh yeah, BC is not exactly a pushover either...

[tampabayfan]

Now it's C Michigan, not W Michigan? Not sure if you understand the significance of that first letter but it's big when commonly referring to universities, W Michigan, C Michigan, E Michigan are all different though they end in Michigan. Either way you said and I quote:




Seems clear to me what you said, in fact it's crystal clear. For the record W Mich IS in the MAC. For that matter so is C Michigan, the new team that appeared out of nowhere as you tried to dig out from being wrong yet once again. Seriously, why not dry out for a few days? Only WHOOSHING sound in your life is you and those blood shot red eyes dodging those shot glasses up at the bar. 'Nuff said.
Irish seriously dude--drop your stupid grudge and act like a man. I dont care if it were western montana--some no name team trying to get first rate school on their schedule to build a name and they get their butts wiped time and time again. who the friggin a cares. I dont care if some canadian college team came down and played. You are making a mountain out of a anthill to do nothing but try to insult me. A grown man going on the Internet to talk about a women and here you always brag about being an alpha male--you are no alpha male--more of a boy trying to pick up other people's scraps. The sarcasm in my post obviously went over your head once again. Hey lameass, the joke is old why not try for some material.

[Ruger7mmmag]

Do You truely believe that the ACC is anywhere in the same class as the SEC?

Sure each of the teams have their ups and downs, but year in year out Florida, Tennessee, Auburn, Alabama, LSU , and Georigia are always a threat to any team they play.
Absofreakinlutely! Even in the heart of SEC country (Alabama) where I live they acknowledge the ACC is every bit as strong as the SEC now. They did a discussion a few weeks ago from top to bottom and they said without a doubt the ACC could match the SEC top to bottom since Miami, VT and BC joined.

[Patrick McIrish]

Irish seriously dude--drop your stupid grudge and act like a man. I dont care if it were western montana--some no name team trying to get first rate school on their schedule to build a name and they get their butts wiped time and time again. who the friggin a cares. I dont care if some canadian college team came down and played. You are making a mountain out of a anthill to do nothing but try to insult me. A grown man going on the Internet to talk about a women and here you always brag about being an alpha male--you are no alpha male--more of a boy trying to pick up other people's scraps. The sarcasm in my post obviously went over your head once again. Hey lameass, the joke is old why not try for some material.


Wow!!? All that because I corrected you on what conference W Mich (C Mich etc...) plays in? Sheesh, what I say? I guess we aren't allowed to correct you now? :eek:

Oh I get it, you're starting up a new chapter in this eternal victim syndrome you got going on. You probe, poke, and instigate others, then when they respond to you in the littlest way you create a massive drama out of it. You not only create it, you nurture it until it's huge, I mean just HUGE in your life, then of course you saturate your friends with the story about poor Marie being the victim again. Sweet and innocent, it's incredible how many people go out of their way to attack you huh?

Of course using the IGNORE fuction would probably solve this huge problem you have if you don't like learning about football from Patrick, but then again there would no drama you could cry about. There would be no victim that others can feel sorry for huh? Not looking for a solution, just another new chapter in this "woe is me" saga that seems to highlight your miserable life. Been there, done that, got the t-shirt. Think I will pass from here on out, thanks.

[DKWEST]

And FSU, Georgia Tech, Miami, NC State, Virginia Tech aren't a threat???

The SEC is no longer the premiere conference in the South. I'm not saying there's a clear cut winner here - but the ACC is certainly in the same class.

EDIT: Oh yeah, BC is not exactly a pushover either...

I would liken Geargia Tech, NC St, and VT,... more to South Carolina, Arkansas, and Mississippi

Heck Vanderbilt held their own against Michigan last week, and Mississippi St. and Kentucky is no Wake, or Duke

[Grim Reaper]

(3 total,.. Georgis Tech won twice) and that was in 1917, and 1928...

Who won it in '90? 5th Down U...?

[DKWEST]

Absofreakinlutely! Even in the heart of SEC country (Alabama) where I live they acknowledge the ACC is every bit as strong as the SEC now. They did a discussion a few weeks ago from top to bottom and they said without a doubt the ACC could match the SEC top to bottom since Miami, VT and BC joined.

National Championships

SEC = 16

ACC = 3, 1918 - 1928 and 1981

end of story

[DKWEST]

Who won it in '90? 5th Down U...?


Were they in the ACC at that time?

[Ruger7mmmag]

I would liken Geargia Tech, NC St, and VT,... more to South Carolina, Arkansas, and Mississippi

Heck Vanderbilt held their own against Michigan last week, and Mississippi St. and Kentucky is no Wake, or Duke
Shoot, GT would've beat the #2 teamin the country had it not been for a bogus roughing the passer call which set them up first and goal inside the 10 vs. them being faced with a 40 something yard field goal (no gimme either) not too mention all the momentum which changed with that BS call.

So if you want to make comparisons like that, you lose.

[Grim Reaper]

Associated Press National Champions:
Clemson: 1981
Florida State: 1993, 1999
Maryland: 1953

Coaches Poll National Champions::
Clemson: 1981
Florida State: 1993, 1999
Georgia Tech: 1990
Maryland: 1953

EDIT: Tech joined in '79...

[tampabayfan]

Wow!!? All that because I corrected you on what conference W Mich (C Mich etc...) plays in? Sheesh, what I say? I guess we aren't allowed to correct you now? :eek:

Oh I get it, you're starting up a new chapter in this eternal victim syndrome you got going on. You probe, poke, and instigate others, then when they respond to you in the littlest way you create a massive drama out of it. You not only create it, you nurture it until it's huge, I mean just HUGE in your life, then of course you saturate your friends with the story about poor Marie being the victim again. Sweet and innocent, it's incredible how many people go out of their way to attack you huh?

Of course using the IGNORE fuction would probably solve this huge problem you have if you don't like learning about football from Patrick, but then again there would no drama you could cry about. There would be no victim that others can feel sorry for huh? Not looking for a solution, just another new chapter in this "woe is me" saga that seems to highlight your miserable life. Been there, done that, got the t-shirt. Think I will pass from here on out, thanks.
Pat nobody--nobody said anything thing about drinking and you brought it up. This was twice you brought it up to attack when I said nothing to you. My life isnt miserable *******. As a matter of fact, I am very happy. I have a great husband and 2 beautiful girls. You got? I'm just a little surprised that you would use such low tactics to attack someone when usually that isnt your style. Pat what on earth are babbling about poor Marie--its funny when we talked on the phone a few times, we had quite a few good laughs. I dont recall ever using the sympathy card with you at all. Pat I didnt drag any drama into this--you did. Pat very people go out of their way to attack me, not that many people are as low as you. The first few times that you came after me with your dumb ****--I put up the mullet militia pic to make the whole thing funny yet you never responded to that. Correcting me is one thing--to try attack my character is quite another. You cant seem to separate the 2. Please show me once where I tried to attack your character.

[Ruger7mmmag]

National Championships

SEC = 16

ACC = 3, 1918 - 1928 and 1981

end of story
Moron. If you want to make those comparisons, then take all the national championships of the TEAMS IN THE NOW ACC since that's what we're comparing.

Geez. You can't honestly sit there and think anyone just took that comparison seriously did you?

[Grim Reaper]

SEC National Titles:

(As claimed by SEC fans)

1934 - Alabama
1941 - Alabama
1942 - Georgia
1946 - Georgia
1950 - Kentucky
1951 - Tennessee
1952 - Georgia Tech
1957 - Auburn
1958 - LSU
1960 - Ole Miss
1961 - Alabama
1962 - Ole Miss
1964 - Alabama
1965 - Alabama
1973 - Alabama
1978 - Alabama
1979 - Alabama
1980 - Georgia
1992 - Alabama
1996 - Florida
1998 - Tennessee
2003 - LSU

Reality (AP and/or UPI/Coaches):
1951 - Tennessee
1957 - Auburn (UP)
1958 - LSU
1961 - Alabama
1964 - Alabama
1965 - Alabama (AP)
1973 - Alabama (UPI)
1978 - Alabama (AP)
1979 - Alabama
1980 - Georgia
1992 - Alabama
1996 - Florida
1998 - Tennessee
2003 - LSU (BCS)

[DKWEST]

Associated Press National Champions:
Clemson: 1981
Florida State: 1993, 1999
Maryland: 1953

Coaches Poll National Champions::
Clemson: 1981
Florida State: 1993, 1999
Georgia Tech: 1990
Maryland: 1953

EDIT: Tech joined in '79...

Well I wasn't counting the UPI,... The AP has always been the standard. (that said they are both stupid,.. Playoffs please)

But that still leaves the SEC up by 10.

[DKWEST]

Moron. If you want to make those comparisons, then take all the national championships of the TEAMS IN THE NOW ACC since that's what we're comparing.

Geez. You can't honestly sit there and think anyone just took that comparison seriously did you?

OK,.. go ahead,..

Then it will be about 22 for the SEC, and 6 for the ACC.

but the fact of the matter is once FSU got into any conferance,.. even the ACC,.. they started going downhill,.. that's why I used that stat

[The Sombrero]

Absofreakinlutely! Even in the heart of SEC country (Alabama) where I live they acknowledge the ACC is every bit as strong as the SEC now. They did a discussion a few weeks ago from top to bottom and they said without a doubt the ACC could match the SEC top to bottom since Miami, VT and BC joined.

I find that hard to believe. No true SEC fan will never acknowledge another conference's existence.

[Selmon63]

Well I wasn't counting the UPI,... The AP has always been the standard. (that said they are both stupid,.. Playoffs please)

But that still leaves the SEC up by 10.


We're talking about present day. Isn't that the whole point of this?

[DKWEST]

We're talking about present day. Isn't that the whole point of this?

I'm talking year in year out,.... Any given year you'll be able to find an SEC team that is down and gets beat by an ACC team,.. And any given year the ACC will have a decent team or two besides FSU and UM that are decent,...

But Year in ans Year out the SEC always has top notch National Championship caliber teams 5 or 6 deep.

[Ruger7mmmag]

I find that hard to believe. No true SEC fan will never acknowledge another conference's existence.
:lol: True. These are the same people who believe the South Will Rise Again!

[Ruger7mmmag]

I'm talking year in year out,.... Any given year you'll be able to find an SEC team that is down and gets beat by an ACC team,.. And any given year the ACC will have a decent team or two besides FSU and UM that are decent,...

But Year in ans Year out the SEC always has top notch National Championship caliber teams 5 or 6 deep.
5 or 6 deep?!?!?!?!!?!? BLLLLLLLLLLLLAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH :rotf: :lol:

What bar are you at where they have an internet connection?

[The Sombrero]

:lol: True. These are the same people who believe the South Will Rise Again!

I say it jokingly, but I'm an SEC guy as well.

The ACC has gotten better in football, especially with the addition of Miami and VT, but they still don't stack up to the SEC. Nothing wrong with that. They're a much better Basketball Conference then we are. But, when it comes to football, the ACC doesn't match up to the SEC when it comes to championships and history.

It doesn't help that its two biggest schools aren't really playing great football now or over the past couple of years.

I am impressed with the way the ACC is trying to change their Football image.

[sapp is da man]

So take out Alabama...or anything over 2 decades old...and it's pretty even.

[Ruger7mmmag]

I say it jokingly, but I'm an SEC guy as well.

The ACC has gotten better in football, especially with the addition of Miami and VT, but they still don't stack up to the SEC. Nothing wrong with that. They're a much better Basketball Conference then we are. But, when it comes to football, the ACC doesn't match up to the SEC when it comes to championships and history.

It doesn't help that its two biggest schools aren't really playing great football now or over the past couple of years.

I am impressed with the way the ACC is trying to change their Football image.
I never said the SEC sucked, but some of the claims TDD is making are that of a pure homer who has no perspective! To even look at the ACC before FSU joined and then compare it to the SEC isn't even statistically viable or logical.

Year in and year out, except for maybe the last few years, if you took Miami and FSU from 1990 on, one of them would've easily played with whoever won the SEC that year. When you talk history; you don't talk about these conferences going back to the turn of the century when half of the members didn't even belong. You look at the strength of the history of the teams of the conference.

The success of FSU and Miami over the last 15 years as programs is right up there with anyone in recent history when you look at 10 win seasons, top 5s, top 10s, etc.

To discount that is crazy.

[The Sombrero]

So take out Alabama...or anything over 2 decades old...and it's pretty even.

Yes, if we take away history, the ACC will be even.

[SN4]

While I won't go as far as TD is.... I will agree with him to a point.

ACC, in a given year, there are CURRENTLY 3 teams that have a chance at being national contenders... FSU, Miami, and Va Tech. All other schools in the conference, while they may be decent/good, are not national title caliber schools. Which is really a sad statement for the ACC up until, 2 or 3 years ago when Miami and Va Tech were bought.. err.. uhh... "added". Before that, FSU was the ONLY thing the ACC could hang its hat on.

SEC, on the other hand, has half of the conference that in any given year COULD be contenders for a national title. UF, UT, UGA, Auburn, Alabama, LSU. While they are not all contenders in the same year.. there is typically one or two that are always near the top of the polls. And when one or two schools may be down, the others pick up.

[Ruger7mmmag]

Yes, if we take away history, the ACC will be even.
I think her point was if you are looking at how strong a conference IS, history doesn't matter. The strength of the SEC is a perceived strength from writers who witnessed those Bama titles for years, decades ago. Does it really matter what Bama did 60 years ago today? Of course not. Only an idiot would say that. Was the SEC the most dominant conference years ago? Of course it was. But that's not so anymore. But it takes a long time for history like that to wash out as this whole system is reliant on writers who still remember the good ole days.

[The Sombrero]

I never said the SEC sucked, but some of the claims TDD is making are that of a pure homer who has no perspective! To even look at the ACC before FSU joined and then compare it to the SEC isn't even statistically viable or logical.

Year in and year out, except for maybe the last few years, if you took Miami and FSU from 1990 on, one of them would've easily played with whoever won the SEC that year. When you talk history; you don't talk about these conferences going back to the turn of the century when half of the members didn't even belong. You look at the strength of the history of the teams of the conference.

The success of FSU and Miami over the last 15 years as programs is right up there with anyone in recent history when you look at 10 win seasons, top 5s, top 10s, etc.

To discount that is crazy.

I agree that FSU and/or Miami would stack up the best SEC teams. But, when you talk about depth, you don't just talk about the best teams.

I don't think the 3 and under ACC teams would match up against the 3 and under SEC teams now, 10 years ago, 20 years ago and so on. Ten years from now, we'll see. The additions of Miami, VT and I guess BC could strengthen the ACC and the caliber of teams that come out could be better. Right now, I would rank the ACC the same with the Big 12 overall, behind the Big 10 and SEC. Who knows, I might be thinking too highly of the Big 12 right now.

[The Sombrero]

I think her point was if you are looking at how strong a conference IS, history doesn't matter. The strength of the SEC is a perceived strength from writers who witnessed those Bama titles for years, decades ago. Does it really matter what Bama did 60 years ago today? Of course not. Only an idiot would say that. Was the SEC the most dominant conference years ago? Of course it was. But that's not so anymore. But it takes a long time for history like that to wash out as this whole system is reliant on writers who still remember the good ole days.

In your opinion, what's the strongest overall conference in football today and why?

[Ruger7mmmag]

It all depends on perception is the point I'm trying to get across. When it really comes down to it, I dont really care for college football. I'm a DIE HARD Bucs fan who never misses a game. When it comes to college; I went to every game while at USF to support my team; but if I have an opportunity to hunt vs. stay in for the game; it's a no brainer. I'll actually pass up hunting to watch the Bucs or a slate of games where I have a bunch of fantasy players playing.

Does the "bottom" of a conference even matter? They won't be in bowl games; so who cares! I say your top 3 in a given year tells you how strong your conference really is. So if you want to see who had the toughest conference, you take the top 3 and look where they FINISHED and if two conferences are close, were there any head to head bowl games between the two to help decide it?

Those are my criteria for looking at things and if you take FSU, Miami and VT (swap out BC maybe on certain years); they'll stack up well against the top 3 from the SEC almost every year. That's all i'm saying.

[Ruger7mmmag]

In your opinion, what's the strongest overall conference in football today and why?
Just look at who has been in the title game for the last few years in a row. That's whose running the show right now.

[sapp is da man]

In your opinion, what's the strongest overall conference in football today and why?
You're taking away the history.

[The Sombrero]

Just look at who has been in the title game for the last few years in a row. That's whose running the show right now.

Big 12?

[Ruger7mmmag]

I'll tell you what, I don't know the answer to this, but maybe this will help us. Let's go back to the AP poll for the last 5 years and take the top 3 teams of the SEC, ACC, Big 12, Pac 10, Big 10 and let's see where the Average Finishing position was of their top 3 teams. For all conferences, you count where their CURRENT members finished.

This should settle our little debate mathematically. Let's go back 10 years. Anything longer than that isn't near current.

[nolesfan4life]

I dont know what Bowden said to the guys at halftime, but it sure woke them up.
judging by the playcalling between the first and second half, i'm guessing it was along the lines "Jeff, you're not calling plays anymore"

[florida_gat0r]

Man, I didn't even get a **** you or you're right from Ruger.

Have you written me off dude? LoL


Let me add this to your conversation:

SEC as it stands now has been around much longer than the ACC has (as it stands now). The ACC did a great thing and added 3 very good schools to their conference with present winning and history. I very much respect the ACC NOW.

You have to admit the ACC before Miami, Va Tech and Boston College joined was pretty much a joke. After FSU, each year maybe 1 or 2 schools contended for the ACC. FSU had to add good outside of conference opponents to the schedule. This is not taking away how good FSU was/is, but I am just stating my opinion here.

[Ruger7mmmag]

Man, I didn't even get a **** you or you're right from Ruger.

Have you written me off dude? LoL


Let me add this to your conversation:

SEC as it stands now has been around much longer than the ACC has (as it stands now). The ACC did a great thing and added 3 very good schools to their conference with present winning and history. I very much respect the ACC NOW.

You have to admit the ACC before Miami, Va Tech and Boston College joined was pretty much a joke. After FSU, each year maybe 1 or 2 schools contended for the ACC. FSU had to add good outside of conference opponents to the schedule. This is not taking away how good FSU was/is, but I am just stating my opinion here.
I went to lunch! Now that I am back. You SUCK Gator boy! :rotf:

Anyway, I can't seem to find the final polls AFTER all of the bowl games for the last few years or I would do this as I'm quite interested in seeing who would be crowned the champ. As for your last post, I agree with that completely. Before Miami and VT, the ACC was pretty much a cake walk. Bringing all those guys in has raised the level of play and recruiting for a number of those schools.

[florida_gat0r]

I went to lunch! Now that I am back. You SUCK Gator boy! :rotf:

Anyway, I can't seem to find the final polls AFTER all of the bowl games for the last few years or I would do this as I'm quite interested in seeing who would be crowned the champ. As for your last post, I agree with that completely. Before Miami and VT, the ACC was pretty much a cake walk. Bringing all those guys in has raised the level of play and recruiting for a number of those schools.
LoL, thanks! I'll try later to see if I can find any of that info about the final rankings.

[The Sombrero]

I'll tell you what, I don't know the answer to this, but maybe this will help us. Let's go back to the AP poll for the last 5 years and take the top 3 teams of the SEC, ACC, Big 12, Pac 10, Big 10 and let's see where the Average Finishing position was of their top 3 teams. For all conferences, you count where their CURRENT members finished.

This should settle our little debate mathematically. Let's go back 10 years. Anything longer than that isn't near current.

OK, I was just bored enough to do this. I only did the SEC, ACC, 12, 10 and Pac and did it over the past 5 seasons. I even counted Miami and VT in the ACC when they were in the Big East for 3 of the years. Here are the average rankings of the top 3 teams from each conference:

SEC: 7
Big 12: 9
Pac 10: 10
Big 10: 10
ACC: 12

This was AP poll only. I rounded down for each team when fractions were involved and in the cases where a conference did not have 3 teams in the top 25, I counted the third spot as 26.

[Ruger7mmmag]

OK, I was just bored enough to do this. I only did the SEC, ACC, 12, 10 and Pac and did it over the past 5 seasons. I even counted Miami and VT in the ACC when they were in the Big East for 3 of the years. Here are the average rankings of the top 3 teams from each conference:

SEC: 7
Big 12: 9
Pac 10: 10
Big 10: 10
ACC: 12

This was AP poll only. I rounded down for each team when fractions were involved and in the cases where a conference did not have 3 teams in the top 25, I counted the third spot as 26.
Did you count their positions POST BOWL GAMES? I found tons of rankings PRE Bowl games, but not after. Just curious where you found them as I wasn't bringing up anything useful in my quick google efforts.

If these were derived from POST BOWL GAME rankings, then you can't argue with the numbers from the past 5 years.

The good news about this criteria, we can look from week to week and see where the various conferences fall.

[MusicCityTitan]

for the record, comparing the ACC to the SEC is like comparing the NFL to Arena ball.. The SEC is the best.

[The Sombrero]

Did you count their positions POST BOWL GAMES? I found tons of rankings PRE Bowl games, but not after. Just curious where you found them as I wasn't bringing up anything useful in my quick google efforts.

If these were derived from POST BOWL GAME rankings, then you can't argue with the numbers from the past 5 years.

The good news about this criteria, we can look from week to week and see where the various conferences fall.

Yes, it was post Bowl games.

EDIT: I got it from google. Typed in "2005 ap final poll" and followed the first link.

[SN4]

I would like to re-up this thread.. simply because some of the comments made about this FSU/UM game were mighty interesting.

Oh yeah.. and tbf, NICE CALL on the NC STATE upset! (post 89)... NC State did bit them in the butt... but perhaps FSU wasn't looking past them.

anyway... I still stand behind my statement that both teams were sorely over rated at the beginning of the year and that was not a "defensive game"..... it was an "inept offense" game. And now that there is about 1/2 a season of stats in the books... lets look where the teams stand.....

FSU:
Offense: #51 in scoring, #86 in rushing, #46 in passing
Defense: #38 in pts allowed, #65 against the pass, #26 against the run

Miami:
Offense: #80 in scoring, #45 in rushing, #53 in passing
Defense: #36 in pts allowed, #39 against the pass, #7 against the run. (odd)

Does everyone still think that the first game between these two JUGGERNAUTS was a great matchup between to premier defenses? (considering everyone else they have played was able to stop their offenses too).....

Just sayin.

[florida_gat0r]

I stand by my prediction she was quoting. I was right about Clemson and NC State... next is BC, maybe Wake and of course Florida.

Not looking good for for the Nolies.

Personally, I want them to get better. The FSU/UF game is my second favorite rivalry of all time. (Second to Army/Navy) I like Florida winning, but I like the hard fought, back and forth games much more. (and Florida end up winning, of course)

[Naptyme]

I stand by my prediction she was quoting. I was right about Clemson and NC State... next is BC, maybe Wake and of course Florida.

Not looking good for for the Nolies.

Personally, I want them to get better. The FSU/UF game is my second favorite rivalry of all time. (Second to Army/Navy) I like Florida winning, but I like the hard fought, back and forth games much more. (and Florida end up winning, of course)

I disagree, I love the good games to be like LSU vs UF, when it comes to FSU/UT/UGA I want Florida to blow them by 50 pts.

[UMiamiBucFan]

Both of the teams are likely unranked now, so I would hardly call either of them juggernauts.