If the Bucs do get CJ..............

[VeeJay]

at #3

Do you think it's possible for them to make a trade to jump back in the 1st rd and get Jamaal Anderson at DE?

And do you think Marcus Thomas lasts until the 3rd rd?

Thoughts everyone................

[MasterMind]

If you have a chance to get CJ you do everything you can to get him. And I'm sure you know why. He is the best receiver in the draft and may be the best to come out of the draft in 10 years or so. If we pass on him it will make me sick for years. Take Calvin Johnson and nobody else.

[DeadEagle]

Is it possible to create a whole new forum dedicated solely to Calvin Johnson?

Or would I be asking too much?

[SuperFly]

Is it possible to create a whole new forum dedicated solely to Calvin Johnson?

Or would I be asking too much?

He deserves one. After all, he is Calvin Johnson- greatest NFL WR of all time!

[BucSno97]

Hmmmm Calvin Johnson and Steven Jackson. We could have the "coulda-woulda-shoulda" team cornerstones.

[Catch2355]

He deserves one. After all, he is Calvin Johnson- greatest NFL WR of all time!
man, i hope he lives up to all of these amazing expectations :p

[VeeJay]

Maybe I am misleading you guys. I know about CJ and all the people who want to get him.

That's not the focus here. Getting CJ would be fine, but still the Bucs have problems on the otherside of the ball. I me myself I would like to get a 1st rd talent for the DL.

That's why I asked the 2 questions...........

[Clayton80future]

I wouldn't want Marcus Thomas anywhere for the record. Maybe he was good because of all the other talent around him, maybe not. One thing though, there are better players and people than Marcus Thomas at DT.



Anyway, Jamaal Anderson or Charles Johnson would be a great addition for us with our early second round selection, maybe even move up into the mid 20s to select either one. Skipping Gaines Adams for one of the two would not be a bad move, probably a good actually.

[Q-man]

In answer to your question, I will translate for those they can't read or don't seem to understand what you are asking.
After the Bucs get CJ at #3, what would you think of the Bucs trading their 2nd rounders to jump back into the first round and select a first round DT with the pick.
The question was not pass on CJ!

My answer would be no. I think that the Bucs will get great value
picks with the 2 second round picks where they are.

[PetePierson]

Just what the Bucs need to do, draft another player on Offense with a first pick. :rolleyes:

[c-money]

I'm really hoping they take CJ at #3, but packaging the 2's to move up could be a good move to land an impact defensive player.

[Monty'sCircus]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anttaj_Hawthorne

I believe Thomas will find himself in the exact same boat...he can't stay away from the wacky stuff...

http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2005/hawthorne_anttaj

A little more

I'm all for the guy on the 2nd day. But you also have to take the bucs recent drafts into account. If the guy had any character issues the buc said "no thanks".
Kelly Washington and Chris Henry come to mind...we could have used a WR, but passed on both of them.

*all previous post of mine on this subject

[Psykes]

Hmmmm Calvin Johnson and Steven Jackson. We could have the "coulda-woulda-shoulda" team cornerstones.
Sometimes I dream about what it would've been like if we'd taken Tatupu instead of Ruud.


Damn we'd be good.

[JudgeDredd]

We can get CJ at #4 aswell. Doubt Browns pass on Peterson.

And now, we don't trade up. There are plenty of good DEs in this draft, we can easily pick up a top one in the 2nd.

[nolesfan4life]

We can get CJ at #4 aswell. Doubt Browns pass on Peterson.

And now, we don't trade up. There are plenty of good DEs in this draft, we can easily pick up a top one in the 2nd.
i do

what you saw out of ohio state today is what i've seen out of cleveland all season

if you can't block, you can't run or pass

[Psykes]

if you can't block, you can't run or pass
So you're saying you'd (the Browns) take Thomas before Peterson or CJ?

[nolesfan4life]

So you're saying you'd (the Browns) take Thomas before Peterson or CJ?
if they want to see a winning season in the next decade, yes

[TeeBeeFan]

What do you see the Browns realistically doing with the third pick, if they get it? Assuming both Thomas and Quinn are available.

[nolesfan4life]

joe thomas

[TeeBeeFan]

Really? Are you satisfied with Cleveland's current QB situation to pass on Quinn? Answer as though you were the GM and your job might be on the line for selecting the wrong player.

[nolesfan4life]

yes i'm very happy with were our QBs are right now, maybe add a veteran

from the outside looking in, you see charlie Frye's stats and you see Derek andersons stats, then you think that neither of them were glamerous picks, so people who don't follow the browns, or people who are nothing more than casual fans of the browns, think that a QB is the biggest need

however when both of these QBs had time to throw, they made good passes, both of them can complete a high amount when they actually have a chance, Anderson is actually the better guy at quickly reading the field and going through progressions

give these guys some more time to throw, and they could be just as successful as a lot of the QBs in football

[BearLandBucFan]

Maybe I am misleading you guys. I know about CJ and all the people who want to get him.

That's not the focus here. Getting CJ would be fine, but still the Bucs have problems on the otherside of the ball. I me myself I would like to get a 1st rd talent for the DL.

That's why I asked the 2 questions...........


again... NO DEFENSIVE ENDS PLEASE

2 years... we need our young DTs we draft this year to MATURE first

honestly... do you guys like watching multi-million dollar Pass Rushing DEs being BLOCKED???

2007 DTs and SS
2008 MLB and CB
2009 DE and OLB and CB

[DeadEagle]

again... NO DEFENSIVE ENDS PLEASE

2 years... we need our young DTs we draft this year to MATURE first

honestly... do you guys like watching multi-million dollar Pass Rushing DEs being BLOCKED???

2007 DTs and SS
2008 MLB and CB
2009 DE and OLB and CB


Why not address the bulk of those needs this year?

We can get a quality SS and CB in FA..... the DE and OLB/MLB in the draft and potentially get a DT to put in a rotation. It would be a delicate operation, but it could be done.

[TeeBeeFan]

yes i'm very happy with were our QBs are right now, maybe add a veteran

from the outside looking in, you see charlie Frye's stats and you see Derek andersons stats, then you think that neither of them were glamerous picks, so people who don't follow the browns, or people who are nothing more than casual fans of the browns, think that a QB is the biggest need

however when both of these QBs had time to throw, they made good passes, both of them can complete a high amount when they actually have a chance, Anderson is actually the better guy at quickly reading the field and going through progressions

give these guys some more time to throw, and they could be just as successful as a lot of the QBs in football

Your right, I don't know much about the Browns and I knew you might be able to give a good and fair eval. Thanks.

I guess the worst case senario (in the Browns picking Thomas) is that they are in the same position next year as they are this year (picking at the top of the draft). If your QBs don't work they can get a rookie QB next year, but will have a better Oline b/c of Thomas.

Any comments?

[nolesfan4life]

well here's my dream off-season

Tardell Sands - comes in and competes for the startin NT job

Corey Redding - should be able to easily take a starting DE job

Nate Clements/Asante Samuel - one of these guys i feel will actually be in a browns jersey next year

Eric Steinbach - we should throw a lot of money his way, probably more than he's worth, but its whats important

Kris Dielman - he's a stretch but 2 solid OGs in the off-season would be clutch

Draft:
1st. joe thomas

2nd. if we only get steinbach - Josh Beekman
2nd. if we get steinbach and deilman - adam carriker

3rd. kolby smith

this way, you're looking at something like

and here would be the starters

QB-Frye or Anderson, who ever takes the job
RB-Droughns spelled by smith
FB-Terrelle smith for running and vickers for passing
WR-Braylon, Jurevicius, travis wilson, josh cribbs
TE-Winslow, Heiden
LT- Joe Thomas
LG-Eric Steinbach
C-Fraley then bentley upon his return
RG-Deilman
RT-Shaffer

LE-Corey Redding
DT-either Sands or Babatunde Oshinowow
RE-Carriker or orpheus Roye
OLB-Kamerion Wimbley
RILB-D'Qwell Jackson
LILB-Andra Davis
OLB-Willie McGinest
CB - Samuel or Clements
CB - Leigh Bodden
NB - Daylon McCutcheon
FS - Brodney Pool
SS - Sean Jones


and Leon Williams would probably sub in for one of the MLBs on 3rd down

[VeeJay]

again... NO DEFENSIVE ENDS PLEASE

2 years... we need our young DTs we draft this year to MATURE first

honestly... do you guys like watching multi-million dollar Pass Rushing DEs being BLOCKED???

2007 DTs and SS
2008 MLB and CB
2009 DE and OLB and CB

Like it or not pass rushing DEs are an important part of this defensive scheme. This allows for zone type DBs who can break on the ball. So scream all you want to, but this team needs an impact pass rusher from DE!!!!!

[warrensappisgod]

If you have a chance to get CJ you do everything you can to get him. And I'm sure you know why. He is the best receiver in the draft and may be the best to come out of the draft in 10 years or so. If we pass on him it will make me sick for years. Take Calvin Johnson and nobody else.

So given the assumtion that we take CJ at 3, you then deduced that what we should do is "not pass on him" and "take Calvin Johnson and nobody else". Stunning plan.....

Is it possible to create a whole new forum dedicated solely to Calvin Johnson?

Or would I be asking too much?

It's funny that you, someone against CJ, would ask for one. You'd think the CJ lovers would have beat you to the punch, seeing as how he's above all the other prospects, in this draft and all time of course. He simply transcends college/draft talk.

[warrensappisgod]

again... NO DEFENSIVE ENDS PLEASE

2 years... we need our young DTs we draft this year to MATURE first

honestly... do you guys like watching multi-million dollar Pass Rushing DEs being BLOCKED???

2007 DTs and SS
2008 MLB and CB
2009 DE and OLB and CB

This is also a good plan, seeing as how the the DT FAs leave plenty to be desired and the DT class is weaker than it's been in a while. Perfect plan implementing the element of surprise. They'll never see it coming.

Why not address the bulk of those needs this year?

We can get a quality SS and CB in FA..... the DE and OLB/MLB in the draft and potentially get a DT to put in a rotation. It would be a delicate operation, but it could be done.

Because BLBF's plan this offseason has been regurgitated to the point where I know it by heart. He wants a CJ/Rouse/Tyler/Thomas draft and the defense has to be built through the middle.

Nevermind that our defense is predicated on pass rushing and the way to do that the easiest in the NFL is DEs, apparently DEs become next to worthless if they don't have top notch DTs next to them. Nevermind Sim's singlehanded effort in 05. Nevermind the lack of really good looking DT prospects or Thomas' off the field problems, coupled with our recent draft trend of passing on players with character questions. And so on and so forth.

BLBF seems set in his ways, and not open to discussion.

[Mako]

Hmmmm Calvin Johnson and Steven Jackson. We could have the "coulda-woulda-shoulda" team cornerstones.
Add Matt Jones or Shawn Merriman. :lol:

Think about the offense we coulda had! Matt Jones, Calvin Johnson and Steven Jackson!

[CrAsH_oVeRdRiVe]

Just what the Bucs need to do, draft another player on Offense with a first pick. :rolleyes:


You're right, what are the Bucs doing trying to sure up the receiver position. Their prospects of a 36 year old receiver and another 3rd year receiver who can't stay on the field are gonna be great. Brilliant! :winkretro

[Crash22384]

If you have a chance to get CJ you do everything you can to get him. And I'm sure you know why. He is the best receiver in the draft and may be the best to come out of the draft in 10 years or so. If we pass on him it will make me sick for years. Take Calvin Johnson and nobody else.

Agreed. If you need an example look at the Saints this year. They didn't need a RB but they took Bush because you don't pass on a player like that and look how it's worked out. If CJ is available with our pick it would be stupid not to tak him...

[BroncoFan]

I heard on a sports show the Falcons are real hot after Calvin Johnson and are willing to do whatever it takes to trade up into the #1 or #2 slot and take CJ

I'm hearing it invloves Matt Schaub

Raiders or Lions?

[BucDown24]

Agreed. If you need an example look at the Saints this year. They didn't need a RB but they took Bush because you don't pass on a player like that and look how it's worked out. If CJ is available with our pick it would be stupid not to tak him...


nicely put.. agree with u 100 % on this.. great example

[JustRight]

In answer to your question, I will translate for those they can't read or don't seem to understand what you are asking.
After the Bucs get CJ at #3, what would you think of the Bucs trading their 2nd rounders to jump back into the first round and select a first round DT with the pick.
The question was not pass on CJ!

My answer would be no. I think that the Bucs will get great value
picks with the 2 second round picks where they are.


Yes...We have great picks, let's use 'em!

[DeadEagle]

I heard on a sports show the Falcons are real hot after Calvin Johnson and are willing to do whatever it takes to trade up into the #1 or #2 slot and take CJ

I'm hearing it invloves Matt Schaub

Raiders or Lions?


I have heard those same rumors.

[CPT_FEAR]

In answer to your question, I will translate for those they can't read or don't seem to understand what you are asking.
After the Bucs get CJ at #3, what would you think of the Bucs trading their 2nd rounders to jump back into the first round and select a first round DT with the pick.
The question was not pass on CJ!

My answer would be no. I think that the Bucs will get great value
picks with the 2 second round picks where they are.

Seems as if you can't read or anything.
1. You're asking a question you can't simply answer with Yes or No and say No. (After the Bucs get CJ at #3, what would you think of the Bucs trading their 2nd rounders to jump back into the first round and select a first round DT with the pick?).

2.If you ask a question where is the question mark.

3. When people are saying things like "CJ greatest NFL-player ever, or you can't pass on CJ, does this sound to as if they didn't answer to the question what they would do if they would get CJ.
If yes, i explain it for you (here (next sentence(after the brackets are finished))): The answers above implicated - (that word tells you that the sentence has another meaning besides the obvious one (although it's obvious here, too (actually))) - that they would keep CJ and sign him to a long-term contract if possible.

[Monty'sCircus]

at #3

Do you think it's possible for them to make a trade to jump back in the 1st rd and get Jamaal Anderson at DE?

And do you think Marcus Thomas lasts until the 3rd rd?

Thoughts everyone................
Anderson may be there in the 2nd rd so why bother?

[CPT_FEAR]

Agreed. If you need an example look at the Saints this year. They didn't need a RB but they took Bush because you don't pass on a player like that and look how it's worked out. If CJ is available with our pick it would be stupid not to tak him...

I guess the impact of CJ would be higher (first year at least) that with the saints.

Don't forget to give most of the credit for the saints season to Mr. Brees.

[CadillacON24'Z]

I heard on a sports show the Falcons are real hot after Calvin Johnson and are willing to do whatever it takes to trade up into the #1 or #2 slot and take CJ

I'm hearing it invloves Matt Schaub

Raiders or Lions?
Hopefully it's not true

[Monty'sCircus]

Hopefully it's not true
I would be elated if the Falcons got rid of shaub...he is there only real QB

[CPT_FEAR]

I would be elated if the Falcons got rid of shaub...he is there only real QB

You know the Falcons. They think they don't need any.
Also Michael Vick is a lock at not getting injured. :lol:

Looks dumb to me giving up your NFL-starting-QB-caliber backup here.

They (bit like the Raiders though) loaded themselves with wide receivers over the last years. Vick didn't get better. Why? His top target is a either a TE or a goalpost having the ball tucked (well actually he doesn't really tuck, does he?).

[Psykes]

IMO, the Falcons would have to trade their first and second round picks and Schaub (if not more) to get into one of the top 2 spots. As good as Schaub can be, or as much better as he is than Vick, I don't think he's worth a whole lot just yet.

And they're stupid if they think another first round receiver is going to stop their problems...

[Psykes]

This is for nolesfan (I know he's here somewhere)...

If the Falcons did want to trade up with you (assuming you guys got #3), would you pass on Thomas? What about Peterson? And would it take more or less than Schaub, and their 1st and 2nd? Would Thomas being/not being on the board dictate any of that.

[HighOnMtZion]

I heard on a sports show the Falcons are real hot after Calvin Johnson and are willing to do whatever it takes to trade up into the #1 or #2 slot and take CJ

I'm hearing it invloves Matt Schaub

Raiders or Lions?

As if i didnt hate the falcons enough they steal our player!
i could definitely see this happening and it scares the hell out of me.

[DeadEagle]

IMO, the Falcons would have to trade their first and second round picks and Schaub (if not more) to get into one of the top 2 spots. As good as Schaub can be, or as much better as he is than Vick, I don't think he's worth a whole lot just yet.

And they're stupid if they think another first round receiver is going to stop their problems...


This is Rich McKay we're talking aboot here.

[VeeJay]

Anderson may be there in the 2nd rd so why bother?


Anderson definitely will not be there in the 2nd rd............

[BearLandBucFan]

Why not address the bulk of those needs this year?

We can get a quality SS and CB in FA..... the DE and OLB/MLB in the draft and potentially get a DT to put in a rotation. It would be a delicate operation, but it could be done.


because when you have too many NEW FACES... that's recipe for disaster...

no our defense is NOT predicated by the PASS RUSH, WSIG,

I can tell most of you spew what you hear on television. However, please enlighten me on what style defense has DB's that don't benefit from an effective pass rush. Shoot I don't know of many defenses that can go with out an effective pass rush and be successful

The T2 is predicated about being in position and keeping precise timing on your play execution... it is a very unforgiving defense... you do it perfectly... it can be astounding... you fail even marginally and you can be eaten alive...

it makes absolutely ZERO sense to dump VETERAN DE's that make millions of dollars to draft ROOKIEs to make millions of dollars to simply get blocked like the veterans....


some of you homers want us to essentially invest the entire draft in the defense... like that is the recipe of success.. look at our offense to see how well that has worked...

how many teams do you know of that built successful defenses by throwing their eggs into one draft?

if you think our defense is a quick fix, you aren't going to do that by filling it with rookie talent....

of course we need defensive talent from the draft....

but if you are going to do something... you do it RIGHT...

not just look for the quick fix