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Legacy

01-30-2007, 11:51 PM

I don't know why the article states that this is a recent announcement. I've known about this for months. It's a nice move, in my opinion. I prefered the 2k series to Madden, and the first person football was fun to play around with. EA Sports has had plenty of opportunities to improve their franchises, but each year, they just release a game with one new feature and a roster update. It's getting tired. Heck, the only mode I play on Madden 07 is Superstar Mode. NCAA 2007 is vastly more fun.

Hopefully all the people who liked the 2k series will go back to playing this game once it hits, so EA Sports will be back to square one.

Besides, if they provide us with a team/player creation tool tons of people will make the entire NFL roster and have it available for download. Then it simply becomes an issue of who has the better gameplay. I'm not betting on EA here. After all, they're simply content to stick with:

EA Sports: It's in the game... you bought last year. :rolleyes:

UMiamiBucFan

01-31-2007, 12:01 AM

I'm so excited.

Jakopo

01-31-2007, 03:31 PM

Can someone please do a quick compare/contrast between the 2K series and the EA series? I have bought Madden every year since 1996 and have become more and more disenchanted with it.

UMiamiBucFan

01-31-2007, 03:43 PM

2k series = Football Simulation
Madden series = Arcade game

Jakopo

01-31-2007, 05:03 PM

2k series = Football Simulation
Madden series = Arcade game

Does that mean it is more realistic in its play?

(Sorry I'm slow)

Run Mike...Run

01-31-2007, 06:42 PM

Good news for all football gaming fans.

2k does seem to make a more realistic game and this should/could push EA into producing a better product.

Intimidator

01-31-2007, 07:39 PM

I like 2k series better as well but they will not be able to use the real players and names to me thats stupid I will not buy it. If I cannot play with actual players not wasting my time

Legacy

01-31-2007, 07:44 PM

I like 2k series better as well but they will not be able to use the real players and names to me thats stupid I will not buy it. If I cannot play with actual players not wasting my time
That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. After a couple of seasons in Dynasty, your roster is filled with computer generated players, so what's the big deal? Gameplay is what matters to me, and Madden's sucks. I spend more time playing NCAA Football 2007 because its gameplay is vasty superior. And, guess what? None of the players on the teams are named when you start.

Besides (as I already said), if they have any sense at all, they'll provide us with a team and player creation tool. Then, people will make the NFL players and teams, and have them available for download.

mr.chips24

01-31-2007, 08:00 PM

I realize that Madden has its problems and gliches, but it is still a very good realistic football game. I dont really understand all the hate for Madden? 2K was a good game but it was SOOOO generic. You could throw a deep every time and the strateagy of the overall game was mediocre. Not to start any trouble BUT i always found that the majority of people/ friends who liked 2K better was b/c Madden was to difficult for them. If you havent played Madden for years and years it can be extremely difficult to just pick up and play, let alone be good at. Madden's been comprehensive for at least the last 3-4 yrs and if you arent someone who has played year after year it's very hard to just jump right into it without prior experience.

I have major problems with EA and some oft he things they have done with Madden, but they all really have to do with the structure of the game (online play, cheating, leagues, rosters, etc). but as far as the gameplay, it is really good IMO. I only play on PS2 though and have heard that on the next gen systems, Madden is HORRIBLE. Why they didnt keep the same format for PS2/XBox and PS3/360 is beyond me. But putting out a game that is equivalent to Madden 99 for the next gen systems is a slap in the face.

Legacy

01-31-2007, 08:05 PM

Madden is not hard. I picked it up for the first time when the 06 version came out, and started playing it on All-Madden right there. If you actually pay attention to what the computer does, the AI is really, really easy to destroy. What I liked about the 2k series was that the AI would occasionally throw curveballs at you. Not enough to make it unrealistic, but enough to keep you guessing.

If we're going to track Madden's progress as a realistic football game, I'd say that it, and any other game are only about 35% of the way there.

BucsLJohnson34

01-31-2007, 08:16 PM

What makes madden the game that it is, is Franchise Mode. People can deal with the mediocre game play(if you'd call it mediocre) rather than having the confusing dealings with the 2K Franchise mode. Madden simplifies everything im franchise. And to say Madden doesn't update is useless, for the 360 version this year they wiped everything completely clean in order to make the corrections from last year when they rushed it. In order for them to have a good feedback for next gen it is going to take a few years. Current Gen may have some problems with AI, but you can turn up the computers AI while decreasing yours. Madden has tried to do the things people have wanted as of late, they haven't yet made goal line diving yet, which 2K had but I believe that they will. They have made the franchise much more realisitic with the usage of two Free Agency periods. Madden 07 is a better game then 06 and so and so on. Madden is an extremely high selling game, why attempt to comptelely revamp when you're having the success. 2K coming back is a good thing for Madden Fans. It's like a Super Bowl team revamping after they win it, it just doesn't make sense to me.

mr.chips24

01-31-2007, 08:18 PM

[/QUOTE]If you actually pay attention to what the computer does, the AI is really, really easy to destroy. What I liked about the 2k series was that the AI would occasionally throw curveballs at you. Not enough to make it unrealistic, but enough to keep you guessing.[/QUOTE]

Fair enough. This is always going to be a problem with video gm football, but i do agree with the fact that Maddens AI does not switch it up and can be tricked routinely while playing the CPU. it is still a problem playing against a someone but if you are a decent player you can over come most things on your own. Although i dont feel EA has done nearly enough in the AI area, they have been attempting to make strides in that area and have made decent improvments in 07.

[/QUOTE]If we're going to track Madden's progress as a realistic football game, I'd say that it, and any other game are only about 35% of the way there [/QUOTE]

This i would agree with 100% I am a big fan of Madden but i am very interested to see what 2K will do, and a little competetion for Madden is definetely not a bad thing

ThePaperChamp

01-31-2007, 09:03 PM

If 2k would not have gone the $19.99 route, we would not even be having this conversation. That was at least one of the reasons the NFL signed the exclusive with EA. If you were the NFL, would you want your product devalued by one company probably not. It's similar to the all RBK move, they only have one brand to worry about representing their league.

NFL 2k1 was the best football game that had ever been released when it came out. By 2002, however, EA had already caught up. On Xbox / PS2, I feel Madden was always superior to 2k. I really enjoyed 2k1 on Dreamcast, but as time moved on, so did I move back to Madden.

On the next gen consoles, Madden is a disgrace. The gameplay is choppy at best, and I miss the announce team. I understand it gets repetitive to listen to Madden say BOOM so many times you think you need Tinactin, but the booth is part of the experience. That is one of the many reasons that I agree with Legacy that NCAA 07 is by far the best football game out now. The play is smoother, the playbooks are better, and their is some entertainment coming from the booth.

I will probably buy the 2k football game, but what I really want is a quality NFL experience on the 360/PS3. I may not care about the players, but I enjoy the actual teams and stadiums. Hopefully, EA will step up and make great strides on Madden for '08. For starters, add in all of the features we have been playing with over the past 3-4 years. I don't care about grass, I care about game play and features.

Just my .02.

Legacy

01-31-2007, 09:06 PM

BucsBoy24

01-31-2007, 09:26 PM

I love NCAA... If EA would simply take NCAA gameplay and move it to Madden it would be tons better.

ThePaperChamp

01-31-2007, 09:47 PM

ThePaperChamp, the NFL only agreed to the exclusive deal because EA offered them an absolute crapload of money for it. EA knew they were in trouble once the 2k series went the $20 route, and instead of making a product that could compete with it, they decided to elimate it altogether.

I knew EA payed a lot, but I thought it was a mutual thing. Thanks for the heads up.

I just hope the NFL does not sign an extension.

Legacy

01-31-2007, 09:51 PM

Yeah, well, if you think about it, more games out there with the NFL means more exposure to the gaming market. Why would they want to cut that down to only one game?

I'm definently buying 2k8, and I'll get NCAA Football 2008, too. :cool:

Run Mike...Run

02-01-2007, 02:01 PM

If 2k is smart they will include a player/team editor.

The NFL says that 2k can't use the NFLPA logos and players, but no one says we cant "re-create" our own NFL.

I will buy 2k8 and plan on buying NCAA08. I just feel that next gen Madden is garbage at this time and will reserve judgement on 08 Madden for now. I also will not just blindly run out and buy anymore EA Madden products without renting or testing first, 07 is not much better than 06 next gen and honestly I would not have bought it had I tried it out first. I would have stuck with NCAA07 and been just fine with that for my football fix.

Jakopo

02-01-2007, 02:14 PM

I also will not just blindly run out and buy anymore EA Madden products without renting or testing first,

I hope everyone starts doing this as well. EA's monopoly could turn into lethargy quickly.

UMiamiBucFan

02-01-2007, 02:30 PM

It was a 5 year deal I believe. Which would cover 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, and 2010 editions.

Run Mike...Run

02-01-2007, 02:31 PM

when does the contact end?? isnt it like 2010? its no tlifetime is it?

5 year deal started in 2005 I believe, so yes 2010 is the current deadline

Legacy

02-01-2007, 02:32 PM

when does the contact end?? isnt it like 2010? its no tlifetime is it?
It's a five year contract, so it expires in 2010. Personally, I think that the NFL will negotiate another contract with them when it expires unless the 2k series ends up wiping the floor with Madden.

UMiamiBucFan

02-01-2007, 02:44 PM

There's no way it can wipe the floor without the NFL license, but making a significant dent would be great progress.

Personally, I'm hoping for a completely customizable game with stadium creators, team creators and player creators. Also, it would be incredible if you could download rosters from other people (ie, gamers create NFL stadiums, NFL teams, and NFL players). This would keep Visual Concepts out of trouble and would let people play with their favorite stars.

Run Mike...Run

02-01-2007, 02:50 PM

Legacy

02-01-2007, 02:52 PM

Also remember that EA and ESPN have a 15 year deal worked out, too. So, even if the NFL doesn't resign the exclusive rights with EA, the 2k series can't use the "ESPN" brand until 2020.

BucPride2003

02-01-2007, 05:01 PM

Also remember that EA and ESPN have a 15 year deal worked out, too. So, even if the NFL doesn't resign the exclusive rights with EA, the 2k series can't use the "ESPN" brand until 2020.
True, but they could always grab FOX or CBS if they wanted to beef up their presentation a bit, or perhaps after the NFL/EA deal expires and is not renewed, the NFL Network (we can dream, can't we?)

This is great news, as the mediocrity that is Madden might have a challenger to their throne once more. I said that the last one was just about on-par with Madden, just needed a tweak or two, and could be a serious threat to EA's continuous domination of the market. Who knows, maybe 2k Games make a comeback here.

UMiamiBucFan

02-01-2007, 05:06 PM

I'm very curious to see how much development time they've spent on this. Obviously, they will have had 3 years since 2k5 came out, but I doubt much of that was spent on 2k8. Since its a next gen exclusive, they might have started from the ground up on a lot of areas.

I am definitely looking forward to the return of gang tackling...that's still pathetic Madden doesn't have that.

Boid Fink

02-01-2007, 06:37 PM

I can't wait to use (thanks Dal!) Carmac William, and Daniel Brook of the Florida Pirates!

If it doesn't have the NFL tag, I would rather not play it. The next gen Madden has some probs (no challenge in overtime really stinks!), but the game has nice graphics, and plays pretty well.

Some things, like getting stuck to your own players and bouncing around after line contact, lack of gang tackles makes the game seem a bit lacking sometime. And the way Mike Vick runs is definitely ridiculous! We can always hope that Madden programmers step up to the bat, and make some serious changes to the game, instead of sitting on their lazy butts, and making roster tweaks...

I missed the old ESPN 2K. That game on the X-box rocked!

Legacy

02-01-2007, 07:52 PM

If it doesn't have the NFL tag, I would rather not play it.
I don't know why we have to keep saying this, but if the game has a team/player creation tool, people can make the NFL teams/players and make them available for download to everyone else.

If they know what's good for them, they'll include the options for them in the game, and then it'll become an issue of who has the better gameplay.

Besides, do realistic rosters really matter that much? After 4-5 seasons of Franchise mode (which sucks, by the way), you're mostly using computer generated draftees, so why does it matter?

Run Mike...Run

02-01-2007, 10:36 PM

I don't know why we have to keep saying this, but if the game has a team/player creation tool, people can make the NFL teams/players and make them available for download to everyone else.

If they know what's good for them, they'll include the options for them in the game, and then it'll become an issue of who has the better gameplay.

Besides, do realistic rosters really matter that much? After 4-5 seasons of Franchise mode (which sucks, by the way), you're mostly using computer generated draftees, so why does it matter?

I just Sim 10 seasons or so of NCAA and import them for more realistic drafts anyways, so once I am that deep into my current franchise most my "named" stars are retired or on the bench because they are too old/too expensive to keep around anyways.....

Boid Fink

02-02-2007, 03:19 AM

I don't know why we have to keep saying this, but if the game has a team/player creation tool, people can make the NFL teams/players and make them available for download to everyone else.

If they know what's good for them, they'll include the options for them in the game, and then it'll become an issue of who has the better gameplay.

Besides, do realistic rosters really matter that much? After 4-5 seasons of Franchise mode (which sucks, by the way), you're mostly using computer generated draftees, so why does it matter?
Yeah. I like sitting around for thirty days creating entirely new teams.

I love the ESPN series. But if I have to use Carmac William, or spend a day readjusting the game to fit my inane need, then I'll play Madden. And I prefer real rosters because I don't franchise mode that often. I play online, and that is about it. WHen I get bored, I might make it to year 2 in franchise, but that takes a long time (for me), and I would rather not sit around for hours DESTROYING the computer for giggles...

Pirate4Life

02-02-2007, 04:25 AM

Yeah. I like sitting around for thirty days creating entirely new teams.

I love the ESPN series. But if I have to use Carmac William, or spend a day readjusting the game to fit my inane need, then I'll play Madden. And I prefer real rosters because I don't franchise mode that often. I play online, and that is about it. WHen I get bored, I might make it to year 2 in franchise, but that takes a long time (for me), and I would rather not sit around for hours DESTROYING the computer for giggles...

It would be about 15 min to change the team. They're going to do exactly what they did with College Hoops 2k7 which is have the names pre-programmed, but just not assigned.
For Example:

When you edit RB #24 (or Carmac William) and you type in the first three letters, "C-A-D" a word bank underneath will pop up with the name "Cadillac" and you just select it. The announcers will all say their names...
It's a way to bypass NCAA rules (For Bball) and will be the exact same for the NFL seeing as it's in the "Create/Edit Player" Mode.

Legacy

02-02-2007, 09:19 AM

Yeah. I like sitting around for thirty days creating entirely new teams.

I love the ESPN series. But if I have to use Carmac William, or spend a day readjusting the game to fit my inane need, then I'll play Madden. And I prefer real rosters because I don't franchise mode that often. I play online, and that is about it. WHen I get bored, I might make it to year 2 in franchise, but that takes a long time (for me), and I would rather not sit around for hours DESTROYING the computer for giggles...
People. Can. Make. The. Rosters. Available. For. Download.

This isn't a new thing, either. People have been updating the Madden rosters with the real rosters at the start of the season for a while now. Heck, you can download updated rosters for the 2005 and 2006 versions if you look around.

agent0064life

02-02-2007, 02:57 PM

That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. After a couple of seasons in Dynasty, your roster is filled with computer generated players, so what's the big deal? Gameplay is what matters to me, and Madden's sucks. I spend more time playing NCAA Football 2007 because its gameplay is vasty superior. And, guess what? None of the players on the teams are named when you start.

Besides (as I already said), if they have any sense at all, they'll provide us with a team and player creation tool. Then, people will make the NFL players and teams, and have them available for download.
Exactly. 2K was by far a better title than EA and will continue its dominance. I hope it continues its partnership with ESPN and this time have more highlight/mid week shows, etc.

UMiamiBucFan

02-02-2007, 03:17 PM

EA signed a deal with ESPN so there won't be any ESPN highlight shows.

Legacy

02-02-2007, 03:23 PM

Yep. I already posted above that ESPN voided its contract with the 2k series after EA acquired the NFL license. EA and ESPN then signed a 15 year contract, so you won't see a 2k game with ESPN stuff until 2020.

I really wish people would read the whole thread before posting stuff.

Run Mike...Run

02-02-2007, 07:08 PM

can just anyone do it though??? or does it have to be from 2k/VC? because VC wouldnt be able to

people have been dumping rosters on to memory cards for years, and the PC guys have it even easier.

Don't quote me but I believe you can "port" rosters from memory card to PC and back to memory card with a certain software and cable set, so in theory you can transfer the data via PC and then upload to your 360 this way.

ChiliDawg

02-04-2007, 06:30 AM

ESPN NFL 2K5 was the best football game to date, & i had played Madden back when i had Madden94, Madden98, etc.. on Sega Genesis.. lol

In 2K5 my house was all decked out in Bucs gear.
Cant wait to see what happens with this..

Boid Fink

02-04-2007, 03:50 PM

So with modded rosters, can you play others with them live?

Jakopo

02-05-2007, 12:08 PM

The conversation has turned into a similar ones I have with my buddies who like playing soccer.

EA has the rights to player names and franchises but the gameplay is very mediocre.

Winning Eleven is a much better game but doesn't have the franchises, world cup, etc.

As far as I'm concerned I go with gameplay every time. Especially if 2K has an editor where you can change the names. A little up front time spent changing names (or downloading them) and making some small tweaks, is definitely worth the year of better gameplay IMO.

Run Mike...Run

02-05-2007, 05:45 PM

So with modded rosters, can you play others with them live?

Don't believe you can on the 360, the system checks your rosters when you log in and makes you update to the most current generation on xbox live, EA servers.

there are certain areas of online play where you can use your custom rosters, but not in ranked matches.

Legacy

02-05-2007, 05:48 PM

Don't believe you can on the 360, the system checks your rosters when you log in and makes you update to the most current generation on xbox live, EA servers.

there are certain areas of online play where you can use your custom rosters, but not in ranked matches.
Who says Visual Concepts won't design a system in which players can use custom rosters?

UMiamiBucFan

02-05-2007, 06:16 PM

That's very true Legacy, but I think we need to be a little patient and see what Visual Concepts does about the player and team rosters...If they include completely customizable rosters/teams/stadiums, they'll stand a good chance at taking a chunk out of EA's market. If we're forced to play with the Tampa Bay Swashbucklers, 2k will be in trouble quickly.

Run Mike...Run

02-05-2007, 06:21 PM

Who says Visual Concepts won't design a system in which players can use custom rosters?

no idea what 2k will do, I was merely answering for current games on current systems that you can actually play online right now.

I hope upon hope that 2k lets us do fully customizable teams/stadiums/rosters.....etc, if not they will be in trouble fast.

Legacy

02-05-2007, 06:26 PM

Even if they don't include customizable stuff, I'll still buy it. I'm finished with Madden as long as the 2k series is still running. EA Sports has had nearly 20 years to get it right, but each year they seem so content on adding new crap noone cares about that they completely neglect to fix bugs that have plagued the game for several iterations.

I'll be damned if they get one more penny out of me.

Cardiac Kids

02-05-2007, 08:03 PM

bucsfan8910

02-05-2007, 08:50 PM

I never switched over, not even during the sellout. I've probably racked up more hours on ESPN football 2K5 than any other games I've played in my life combined. I used to get Madden before 2K3 came out and I was always dissappointed. The experience never seemed real, and even recently (I'm in a Madden 07 league with some friends) it still sucks. Simple things that were so fluid in 2K5 are butchered in Madden. Players bounce off each other, QBs are either exagerratingly slow (Manning/Brady), or way to fast and agile to be QBs (Young and Vick), tackling is glitched (QBs get sacked when the guy dives next to them, or players dive right through another and nothing happens), and when you're playing another good human player, defense is almost useless. 2K always seemed fluid and lifelike. It had punishing hits, and most of the glitches came in minor areas like announcing and yardage stats. I also enjoyed how they used the ESPN license, something Madden has yet to do in 2 consecutive years. When this new 2K game comes out I will definitely purchase it over Madden. I dont care if the rosters have to be edited so long as the gameplay is way better. If you want meaningless ratings, stats, and useless glamour, buy Madden. If you want actual football buy 2K.

Boid Fink

02-06-2007, 12:47 AM

Who says Visual Concepts won't design a system in which players can use custom rosters?
See, therein lies my dilemma. I would rather use authentic players, and with online play, it would be a pain (most likely) to go about doing so.

Don't get me wrong, I think ESPN makes a superior product, and I flat out dominated (invited to the 10 G tourney, lost out to a guy after a D-con at halftime, I was trailing 13-7...) when I played 2k5 oinline on reg. X-Box. I never even touched Madden that year. But without the regular rosters for live play, I would go to Madden.

That is just me being a picky consumer I guess. I would rather not dink around.

Legacy

02-06-2007, 12:52 AM

ESPN doesn't make the 2k series, Boid...

Personally, I think it would be simple to make custom rosters useable online. Just make a dedicated saving area for all rosters. When forming a game online, the host can choose a roster set from their hard-drive, and set the game to use that. Then, anyone who joins and doesn't have that roster simply does a quick download of it before the game begins.

It's quite simple in theory. Heck, PC game developers have been allowing it in their online games for years.