which 40 time is the most impressive

[dawgland]

out of curiousity, i'm just curious as to which of these 3 40 times do you think is the most impressive, taking into all accounts

Joe Thomas at 6'6 1/2, 313 lbs running a 4.92

Calvin Johnson at 6'5, 239 lbs running a 4.35

Vernon Davis at 6'3, 254 running a 4.38

i know the love fest for johnson is high, try and be a bit impartial

[JamesWilder32]

Davis... I think more impressive than Davis is the OL Barbre running 4.84 at 300 lbs. Saw the guy in drills, doesn't look very athletic, wonder if he's played any DT...

[dawgland]

i was thinking davis' too because nobody expected that at all. certainly as you know i didn't expect CJ to run his 4.35, but he hyped it. Vernon Davis pretty much pulled his out of nowhere, he was in a race for the top TE with marcedes lewis at the time, and all of the sudden he comes into the combine ripped, then drops the time and you're like WOW

[dawgland]

does anybody happen to remember boss bailey's time, i'm not sure if he actually ran at the combine, but that kid could, and still can, fly

[JamesWilder32]

I'm pretty sure he ran sub 4.5 but he was very small (in the 220 range).

[dawgland]

I'm pretty sure he ran sub 4.5 but he was very small (in the 220 range).
http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/bailey_boss
said they got him at 233 but they didn't list his 40 time

[Monty'sCircus]

does anybody happen to remember boss bailey's time, i'm not sure if he actually ran at the combine, but that kid could, and still can, fly
When he is on the field.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/bailey_boss
4.58 40 yard dash at his pro-day.

[dawgland]

When he is on the field.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/bailey_boss
4.58 40 yard dash at his pro-day.
wow i posted the same link and completely missed the 40 time

[JamesWilder32]

Maybe I was remembering one of the draft mags estimates...

[Monty'sCircus]

Maybe I was remembering one of the draft mags estimates...
When I googled him a lot of un-officialy times popped up that had him running a 4.3

[dawgland]

When I googled him a lot of un-officialy times popped up that had him running a 4.3
yeah thats why i really didn't think CJ was going to be putting up a 4.3

I knew he was fast, but you tend to hear what people say they ran, and usually add a tenth of a second to that time, maybe a fifteen hundreth.

[JamesWilder32]

I think Bo jackson's at 222, his 4.2 is pretty darn impressive, Kearse's 4.43 at 265 was perhaps even more impressive. I heard rumors that Joe Jacoby ran a 4.7 at 300 coming out of Louisville... I know Chad Clifton ran a 4.7 weighing almost 300.

[Howard Huge]

dawgland, it must have absolutely KILLED you to see CJ run a 4.35.

By the way, where's the clown who said CJ would run a 4.6?

[JamesWilder32]

I think that was DeadEagle, he was suspsended for something, nobody could tell me why...

[dawgland]

dawgland, it must have absolutely KILLED you to see CJ run a 4.35.

By the way, where's the clown who said CJ would run a 4.6?
ah it didn't kill me, i can admit when i'm wrong and i'm happy for him

and i'm not sure who said he'd run a 4.6, i think i accidentally did because i forgot to make it a 4.46, that might've been me

[dawgland]

i guess we can add chris henry's name to this discussion

6'0 233 lbs and he runs a 4.33

[BucsD OwnsAgain]

Joe Thomas coming in at under 5 was very impressive to me. He had nothing to gain or lose but still tried and to be under 5 secs as an O-lineman, the best O-lineman in a draft, is impressive.

[dawgland]

Joe Thomas coming in at under 5 was very impressive to me. He had nothing to gain or lose but still tried and to be under 5 secs as an O-lineman, the best O-lineman in a draft, is impressive.
i said it in another thread but thats the scariest damn thing, a guy big enough to eat me, can cover 40 yards in less than 5 seconds

if he was chasing me, i don't think i'd have the stamina to run away

[NoAlibi]

Joe Thomas has short arms and he's relatively weak..team that drafts him will be sorry.

[bucfanwill]

Joe Thomas has short arms and he's relatively weak..team that drafts him will be sorry.
Strong words. Then Calvin Johnson must be slow and 5 foot 5.

[NoAlibi]

Strong words. Then Calvin Johnson must be slow and 5 foot 5.


What are you talking about? Calvin Johnson really measured in at 6'5 and really ran a 4.35..

Joe Thomas really measured in with the shortest arms of the linemen and he did 28 reps on the bench...Good for about 20th...And only 2 more than Lorenzo Booker who weighs 190.

[The Future]

Why have so many people been high on Joe Thomas? Gallery type bust, mark that down.

[Corsair]

By the way, where's the clown who said CJ would run a 4.6?
He's right here. He is living up to his hype, I will give him that. I wish Thomas would drop to us at #4.

sigh

[Q-man]

I hope the Bucs get Joe Thomas with his short
arms and all.
Joe Thomas, IMO, will be the second player off the board
to the Lions.

[Clayton80future]

Joe Staley, 6-5 300 lb. LT from C. Michigan, can reportedly run a 4.75. Has he ran yet at the combine?

[dawgland]

Joe Staley, 6-5 300 lb. LT from C. Michigan, can reportedly run a 4.75. Has he ran yet at the combine?
he's hurt, elected not to run

[bucsfan12687]

I think Bo jackson's at 222, his 4.2 is pretty darn impressive, Kearse's 4.43 at 265 was perhaps even more impressive. I heard rumors that Joe Jacoby ran a 4.7 at 300 coming out of Louisville... I know Chad Clifton ran a 4.7 weighing almost 300.

Another note about Jevon Kearse's time is that he unofficially tied Deion Sanders for the fastest first ten yards.

[BucsD OwnsAgain]

Joe Thomas has short arms and he's relatively weak..team that drafts him will be sorry.

I'll have to agree with NoAlibi, in the trenches it's all about who can reach the opponent first. With Thomas' short arms he will struggle against smaller quick pass rushers.

[leoNY]

Gotta be Joe Thomas' time. That stuff is not supposed to happen. I saw his run on TV and you could definately see his work ethic on that run.

[Buccs99]

You people seem to take too much stock in running times.

[UMiamiBucFan]

I'm still more impressed with Vernon Davis and Manny Lawson than anyone from this class. Mario Williams was equally impressive. He's 290 and ran a 4.6.

And wow...I just looked up all the 2006 combine numbers. Our own Julian Jenkins ran a 5.04 40 time. Goodness, that's bad. Meanwhile, Mark Anderson ran a 4.6 but Jenkins was picked first and Anderson got 12 sacks. Yeah, I'm bitter about that one. I'm beginning to get real scared that the Bucs are leaving the Tampa 2 behind.

[Alpha Alpha 408]

You people seem to take too much stock in running times.

For WR's...yes.

They had Richie McKay interviewed here (ATL) on Saturday and he brought up an interesting point regarding POSITIONAL speed:

He (paraphrasing) said that teams use timed speed to compare players positionally (WR to WR or RB to RB) over different years...especially if said player is a "tweener". In CJ's case, they would compare his size and timed speed to players from previous years and make a determination on his chances for success at his "natural" position or if possible maybe CHANGE his position (To TE perhaps) to improve his chances for success at the NFL level.

Don't know whether I agree or not but he is a NFL GM and we are not.

[UMiamiBucFan]

For WR's...yes.

They had Richie McKay interviewed here (ATL) on Saturday and he brought up an interesting point regarding POSITIONAL speed:

He (paraphrasing) said that teams use timed speed to compare players positionally (WR to WR or RB to RB) over different years...especially if said player is a "tweener". In CJ's case, they would compare his size and timed speed to players from previous years and make a determination on his chances for success at his "natural" position or if possible maybe CHANGE his position (To TE perhaps) to improve his chances for success at the NFL level.

Don't know whether I agree or not but he is a NFL GM and we are not.
I'd never listen to a word this man said about wide receivers....

[deltbucs]

I'd never listen to a word this man said about wide receivers....
My thoughts exactly.

Along the lines of the thread. So far this year, I was most impressed with Olson's 4.51 40.

[UMiamiBucFan]

My thoughts exactly.

Along the lines of the thread. So far this year, I was most impressed with Olson's 4.51 40.
I think CJ's combo of speed and size has been a bit more impressive than Olsen. However, the numbers are not nearly as jaw dropping as last years.

Last year, you were still in shock from Vernon Davis running a 4.38 at 250, to then see Manny Lawson run a 4.4 at 245...and then to see Mario Williams run a 4.6 at 295lbs. It was just jaw dropper after jaw dropper last year.

[deltbucs]

I think CJ's combo of speed and size has been a bit more impressive than Olsen. However, the numbers are not nearly as jaw dropping as last years.

Agreed, but I didn't expect Olsen to run that fast. Even though his size and speed may be less impressive than CJ's, at TE, Olsen can cause some real mismatches. The only question about him is blocking ablities. Being a UM homer, what do you think of his blocking abilities?

[Buccs99]

For WR's...yes.

They had Richie McKay interviewed here (ATL) on Saturday and he brought up an interesting point regarding POSITIONAL speed:

He (paraphrasing) said that teams use timed speed to compare players positionally (WR to WR or RB to RB) over different years...especially if said player is a "tweener". In CJ's case, they would compare his size and timed speed to players from previous years and make a determination on his chances for success at his "natural" position or if possible maybe CHANGE his position (To TE perhaps) to improve his chances for success at the NFL level.

Don't know whether I agree or not but he is a NFL GM and we are not.

Im talking about the regular fan. Some fans think that if someone runs a 4.3 and they are immediately going to succeed in the nfl. What did guys like Colston run at the combine last year ? I would rather see what they do in drills. I would love to see all of the players at the combine actually have there own private workout with nfl scouts and players. Put them in real situations. I want to see CJ go on the field against Champ and Ronde in different situations and see how he fairs to someone else in the draft. Rashaad Salaam was a freak but he never panned out in the nfl.

[UMiamiBucFan]

Agreed, but I didn't expect Olsen to run that fast. Even though his size and speed may be less impressive than CJ's, at TE, Olsen can cause some real mismatches. The only question about him is blocking ablities. Being a UM homer, what do you think of his blocking abilities?
Average. He doesn't have the nasty streak in him like Shockey does. Technically sound, just not the power you would like. He also has a tendency to lose focus and drop some balls when he isn't involved very much.