Bucs need to trade down.....

[gmac1111]

This Buc defense is the new over the hill gang. Kelly, Brooks, Rice, Barber, Quarles, and Carter are all long in the tooth. The defense needs an overhaul because it's warranty has expired. The Bucs need to trade down and pick up some young studs for it's defense. What would the Vikes give up to get CJ. I bet they are willing part the 7th, 41st, and 72nd. This would give the bucs 6 draft choices on the first day of the draft.

7th- Amobi Okoye DT- Louisville - The next Warren Sapp?
35th- Brandon Siler Ilb - Florida - Does Rudd have what it takes?
41st- Ryan Kalil C- USC - Need depth at Center. probably would start.
64th- Quentin Moses DE- Georgia- Carters replacement.
68th- Aaron Rouse SS - VT- no explanation needed.
72nd- Victor Abiamiri DE- Notre Dame - Rices replacement.

If Justin Harrell DT/DE- Tennessee- was available at 41 then i would take him.

This defense would be one of the best in a couple of years.

[UMiamiBucFan]

Won't find any complaints from me for trading down, but I don't think the Vikes would give up quite that much. We could likely get quite the haul from the Redskins though...

[Maverick720]

I don't think that Minnestoa would trade its first rounder AND its second rounder just to move up 3 spots...maybe a third rounder but not the second

[Maverick720]

Won't find any complaints from me for trading down, but I don't think the Vikes would give up quite that much. We could likely get quite the haul from the Redskins though...
The Skins dont have another pick until like the 4th or 5th round....

[UMiamiBucFan]

I don't think that Minnestoa would trade its first rounder AND its second rounder just to move up 3 spots...maybe a third rounder but not the second
No, it would have to include a 2nd rounder. Moving up 3 spots in the top 10 is incredibly expensive. A couple years ago, the Browns gave up a 2nd to move up 1 spot from #7 to #6 with Detroit. Probably the brightest move Matt Millen ever pulled off.

[UMiamiBucFan]

The Skins dont have another pick until like the 4th or 5th round....
Who says we have to get the extra picks in this draft? We could easily get their 2008 first round pick or some players.

[Maverick720]

Who says we have to get the extra picks in this draft? We could easily get their 2008 first round pick or some players.
Grudens problems are more immediate......

[UMiamiBucFan]

Grudens problems are more immediate......
I'm sure he'd take Brunnel off their hands...or one of those WRs...

[gmac1111]

Teams always overpay for the best player in the draft and to fill needs. If CJ is truly the number 1 pick, then the Vikes are still getting a bargin. CJ vaule is worth 3000 according to the NFL Draft Chart. Picks 7, 41, and 72 only equal only 2220. This would be a bargin for the Vikes according to my math skills.

[BucFanFrom1976]

No we should not trade down

See Why we should not trade down (http://bbs.buccaneers.com/showthread.php?t=138209)

[no1bucsfan29]

No we should not trade down

See Why we should not trade down (http://bbs.buccaneers.com/showthread.php?t=138209)
The problem with your logic is saying there are 4 elite players in this years draft. There are only 3. JT is not an elite player, he's a decent tackle, coming off a pretty big injury, with short arms, and no killer instinct, in last years draft he wouldn't even be in the top 10, much less top 4. you are looking at the next Robert Gallery.

[CPT_FEAR]

This Buc defense is the new over the hill gang. Kelly, Brooks, Rice, Barber, Quarles, and Carter are all long in the tooth. The defense needs an overhaul because it's warranty has expired. The Bucs need to trade down and pick up some young studs for it's defense. What would the Vikes give up to get CJ. I bet they are willing part the 7th, 41st, and 72nd. This would give the bucs 6 draft choices on the first day of the draft.

7th- Amobi Okoye DT- Louisville - The next Warren Sapp?
35th- Brandon Siler Ilb - Florida - Does Rudd have what it takes?
41st- Ryan Kalil C- USC - Need depth at Center. probably would start.
64th- Quentin Moses DE- Georgia- Carters replacement.
68th- Aaron Rouse SS - VT- no explanation needed.
72nd- Victor Abiamiri DE- Notre Dame - Rices replacement.

If Justin Harrell DT/DE- Tennessee- was available at 41 then i would take him.

This defense would be one of the best in a couple of years.

1. No team will pay that much to move up to us, even if it maybe alright according to the DVC.

2. I don't see Abiamiri drop that far.

3. If CJ is available there, you can't pass on him.

[Lynchmobster]

I don't think that Minnestoa would trade its first rounder AND its second rounder just to move up 3 spots...maybe a third rounder but not the second
For what it's worth, acording to the "Draft Value Chart" The #4 pick is worth 1800 (I think it is worth more htis year personally) and the #7 pick is worth 1500, the #41 is worth 490 and the #72 is worth 230.

So according to the chart, they would be overpaying. But like I said, I think that this years #4 pick is worth more than 1800 (more like 2300).

[Lynchmobster]

The problem with your logic is saying there are 4 elite players in this years draft. There are only 3. JT is not an elite player, he's a decent tackle, coming off a pretty big injury, with short arms, and no killer instinct, in last years draft he wouldn't even be in the top 10, much less top 4. you are looking at the next Robert Gallery.
You are in the minority both on this board and in the NFL in general in your opinion of Thomas.

[nhbucsfan]

You may like your choices, but no way in hell Gruden takes one person on O, and that being a lineman.
The offense still needs a bit of work, in case you haven't noticed.

[UMiamiBucFan]

For what it's worth, acording to the "Draft Value Chart" The #4 pick is worth 1800 (I think it is worth more htis year personally) and the #7 pick is worth 1500, the #41 is worth 490 and the #72 is worth 230.

So according to the chart, they would be overpaying. But like I said, I think that this years #4 pick is worth more than 1800 (more like 2300).
So do you think that all those picks would be worth it? Particularly if CJ is there. CJ or 3 more first day players?

[UMiamiBucFan]

The problem with your logic is saying there are 4 elite players in this years draft. There are only 3. JT is not an elite player, he's a decent tackle, coming off a pretty big injury, with short arms, and no killer instinct, in last years draft he wouldn't even be in the top 10, much less top 4. you are looking at the next Robert Gallery.
While I agree that Joe Thomas is probably overrated, I'm not convinced he'll be a bust. I think he'll be an above average player, but not a perennial Pro Bowler.

[Lynchmobster]

So do you think that all those picks would be worth it? Particularly if CJ is there. CJ or 3 more first day players?
No. If CJ is there at #4 then you run up to the podium with his name on your card. Period. End of discussion.

[BucFanFrom1976]

The problem with your logic is saying there are 4 elite players in this years draft. There are only 3. JT is not an elite player, he's a decent tackle, coming off a pretty big injury, with short arms, and no killer instinct, in last years draft he wouldn't even be in the top 10, much less top 4. you are looking at the next Robert Gallery.

You know I am inclined to agree just a little. I think he is clearly the 4th elite prospect only because he doesn't have dominant size. He is clearly talented and a great worker and will most likely be a great tackle in this league, but he's not gonna be Orlando Pace and just be able to manhandle people. He will have to be a great technician, fortunately his is. He would have been top 10 last year too and he's no Gallery. Much more quick on his feet. Is he better than D'brick is a good question though.

[John Doe]

The problem with your logic is saying there are 4 elite players in this years draft. There are only 3. JT is not an elite player, he's a decent tackle, coming off a pretty big injury, with short arms, and no killer instinct, in last years draft he wouldn't even be in the top 10, much less top 4. you are looking at the next Robert Gallery.
I view Joe Thomas as a bigger Jordan Gross that will actually be able to play LT at the pro level. In my opinion, that's well worth a top 4 pick.

As far as the injury goes, it was the only one of its kind Thomas has had in his career (and it occured while playing on defense, not his natural LT position on offense). He was able to bounce back and perform at a high level as a senior. He's otherwise been pretty healthy throughout his career. Seems like more of a freak occurance than something that will continue to plague him as a pro.

I'd be very happy if he was available to us at the 4th overall pick (if CJ is off the board at that point).

[UMiamiBucFan]

I view Joe Thomas as a bigger Jordan Gross that will actually be able to play LT at the pro level. In my opinion, that's well worth a top 4 pick.

As far as the injury goes, it was the only one of its kind Thomas has had in his career (and it occured while playing on defense, not his natural LT position on offense). He was able to bounce back and perform at a high level as a senior. He's otherwise been pretty healthy throughout his career. Seems like more of a freak occurance than something that will continue to plague him as a pro.

I'd be very happy if he was available to us at the 4th overall pick (if CJ is off the board at that point).
I still think the top LT to come out of this draft will be Levi Brown. I think JT will be an instant starter and Brown needs some time. But when its all said and done, Levi Brown will be the better player.

[ABucInVickland]

Only way I would want to see them trade down is if Thomas and Johnson are off the board.

The problem with your logic is saying there are 4 elite players in this years draft. There are only 3. JT is not an elite player, he's a decent tackle, coming off a pretty big injury, with short arms, and no killer instinct, in last years draft he wouldn't even be in the top 10, much less top 4. you are looking at the next Robert Gallery.


Just months removed from off-season knee surgery, Thomas looked a bit mechanical and seemed to lack confidence early in the 2006 season. However, he made huge strides as the season progressed and was fully returned to form.
NFL Draft Tracker espn (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?id=11207&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnfl draft%2fdraft%2ftracker%2fplayer%3fid%3d11207)

Possesses a thick upper body with broad shoulders, adequate muscle development, good arm length and strong hands.
NFL DRAFT SCOUT (http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2007/thomas_joe)
great info in this profile.

These should refute two of your negatives. I dont know about whether or not he has a killer instinct. Not sure how you would. Even so, the guy is big, athletic and smart and this is not the ultimate fighting league.

The guy is definately more Paul Gruber than Charles McRae.

[John Doe]

I still think the top LT to come out of this draft will be Levi Brown. I think JT will be an instant starter and Brown needs some time. But when its all said and done, Levi Brown will be the better player.
I like Levi Brown as a prospect too. Whether he will be better than Thomas in the longrun remains to be seen, but the possibility is definitely there.

Brown was a 4 year starter at Penn State and likely will be able to step right into the starting lineup for whatever team drafts him without missing a beat. Regardless of the negative press he has been getting lately, I expect him to be a top 10 pick in April. Arizona, Houston, Miami and Atlanta are all possible landing points depending on how things unfold on draft day.

[Riverview_Buc]

I am opposed to trading down, the Bucs need impact players, the likelihood of getting such a player by trading down concerns me. The old saying; "A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush". While no draft pick is a certainity I would prefer the likelihood of success of the fourth selection in the draft as opposed to picking saying tenth or later.

Trading down could leave us the bird droppings in our hand, I am hoping for something more useful than guano.

[Riverview_Buc]

Also we must always remember Gruden and Allen are on the hotseat and they probably feel that by trading down the likelihood of such a player coming in this year and contributing is rather remote.

[Agent Orange]

This is as true today as it was 2 seasons ago. BTW I found this draft value chart that gives you the points system for determining what to accept for the 19th pick...

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/news/story?id=2410670

For example our 19th pick is worth 875 point. If we were to trade back with Pittsburgh we should ask for their #32 pick and their 2nd round pick which would total 860 points according to this chart.

[JudgeDredd]

This is as true today as it was 2 seasons ago. BTW I found this draft value chart that gives you the points system for determining what to accept for the 19th pick...

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft06/news/story?id=2410670

For example our 19th pick is worth 875 point. If we were to trade back with Pittsburgh we should ask for their #32 pick and their 2nd round pick which would total 860 points according to this chart.
I'd be VERY VERY happy with that. At 32, selecting a guy like Brace or Hood wouldn't be much of a reach. This is assuming none of the top 10 talent has free fallen to us at 19.

[BearLandBucFan]

damn.. deja vu.... lol