If you were the Raiders, who would you pick? [Archive] - Official Bulletin Board of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

dawgland

04-16-2007, 07:43 PM

jamarcus russell just because there need at qb is much bigger than wr and
russell will make an amazing qb for the next 10 years
say tampa bay has the #1 pick and you're bruce allen, who do you take?

PantherSlayer

04-16-2007, 07:50 PM

Brady Quinn.

BucJordan

04-16-2007, 08:09 PM

say tampa bay has the #1 pick and you're bruce allen, who do you take?

CJ...but then again we don't have a Moss and we don't have a Porter and we don't have Andrew Walters as our best QB.

As a Raiders fan I would actually hope for Quinn, he seems much more committed than JR and Oakland's coaching changes seem to indicate a form of the WC being installed.

tampabayfan

04-16-2007, 08:27 PM

cadillac willy

04-16-2007, 08:35 PM

say tampa bay has the #1 pick and you're bruce allen, who do you take?

we have good depth at the QB position.

they presently don't even have a backup.

no one in free agency wants to go to oakland.

i don't think they have a choice.

pewter n amazin

04-16-2007, 08:50 PM

say tampa bay has the #1 pick and you're bruce allen, who do you take?
calvin johnson

Psykes

04-16-2007, 10:18 PM

If I'm Al Davis, Russell. If I'm not, Quinn... but then I wouldn't want to play nearly as much deep ball, and would focus moreso on completion percentage.

dawgland

04-16-2007, 10:24 PM

we have good depth at the QB position.

they presently don't even have a backup.

no one in free agency wants to go to oakland.

i don't think they have a choice.
you have 4 back-up QBs on your roster

and oakland does currently have a back-up QB

its the same situation in tampa as it is in oakland

you know you just want calvin johnson to fall when you say oakland needs a QB but tampa doesn't

BucJordan

04-16-2007, 10:29 PM

you have 4 back-up QBs on your roster

and oakland does currently have a back-up QB

its the same situation in tampa as it is in oakland

you know you just want calvin johnson to fall when you say oakland needs a QB but tampa doesn't

We both need a good QB, Oakland just needs one more. Garcia > Walters.

In fact, I'd go so far as to say Simms > Walters....

Do I hope he drops to us? yes....

Do I think he will without a trade up? probably not....

Do i still think the raiders would be better off with a QB? yup, and BQ at that.

dawgland

04-16-2007, 10:41 PM

We both need a good QB, Oakland just needs one more. Garcia > Walters.

In fact, I'd go so far as to say Simms > Walters....

Do I hope he drops to us? yes....

Do I think he will without a trade up? probably not....

Do i still think the raiders would be better off with a QB? yup, and BQ at that.
simms numbers aren't exactly the greatest either

and garcia may be a bit better, but its kind of a longer term thing, you really only have him for 2 seasons at the most

walter has talent, he's still young and was a prolific passer in college, and his game translates to the NFL, he just needs time to throw, and a dominant WR who gives a ****

BucJordan

04-16-2007, 10:52 PM

simms numbers aren't exactly the greatest either

and garcia may be a bit better, but its kind of a longer term thing, you really only have him for 2 seasons at the most

walter has talent, he's still young and was a prolific passer in college, and his game translates to the NFL, he just needs time to throw, and a dominant WR who gives a ****

I won't deny that Simms numbers aren't very good, but the first two games last year had a lot to do with bringing those numbers down.

For 2005, in 11 games (10 started) he was 191 for 313 (61% Comp%), for 2035 yards, 10 TD's and 7 INT's for a QB rating of 81.4.

Andrew Walter:

For 2006, in 12 games (8 started) he was 147 for 276 (53.3% Comp%), for 1677 yards, 3 TD's and 13 INT's for a QB rating of 55.8

Even if you count Simms' poor first two games in '06 he comes out on top, albeit not nearly as much, but given both of those QB's under the same conditions I would still choose Simms.

stopndrop88

04-19-2007, 10:35 PM

if i was the raiders i would select WR Calvin Johnson with the #1 overall pick and then with my 2nd pick i would select QB Drew Stanton. I compare him to the next Drew Brees.

Drew Stanton:

~6'3 230 lbs
~2005 (when he actually got to throw the ball)...236 comp-354 att, 3077 yds 22-12 td-int ratio 153.41 rating
~michigan st. (big ten)

Drew Brees:

~6'1 220 lbs
~2000 (last season at purdue)...286 comp-473 att, 3393 yds, 24-12 td-int ratio
~purdue (big ten)

stopndrop88

04-19-2007, 10:37 PM

I hope they take CJ so people here will shut up about him. everyone says he is the best player in the draft, but everyone here has these big eyes that 3 teams will pass on him. If he is that great, Raiders will take him with the #1 pick.

thats why you are a dumb gator fan...you should seriously be a jags fan or something cuz you are not a bucs fan.

Jack Sparrow

04-19-2007, 10:52 PM

OK..here is the way I think....they should pick Russell and here is why.

1- If they get JR, they would keep moss this means that they have a great reciever and a good qb. If they get CJ, yes, they would have a great wr in him, but a terrible qb in walter. And also, if you want to see your team winning, you want to have moss catching passes from a rookie qb, not a terrible qb throwing the ball to a rookie.

ugahairydawgs

04-19-2007, 11:12 PM

thats why you are a dumb gator fan...you should seriously be a jags fan or something cuz you are not a bucs fan.

:rotf:

ImAWalkingCorps

04-19-2007, 11:46 PM

I hope they take CJ so people here will shut up about him. everyone says he is the best player in the draft, but everyone here has these big eyes that 3 teams will pass on him. If he is that great, Raiders will take him with the #1 pick.

You dont want us to to get the best player in draft? :p

tampabayfan

04-19-2007, 11:54 PM

thats why you are a dumb gator fan...you should seriously be a jags fan or something cuz you are not a bucs fan.
:rolleyes: yeah some wr is going to save us from ruin and boost us back to the SB but our o-line can't block long enough for our qb to take a 3 step drop. Why don't watch a football game before trying to talk football. Geez.

Corpsey-- hush :p

Chebington

04-20-2007, 12:56 AM

If I were the Raiders, Brady Quinn.
If I were the Bucs, CJ.

Easy.

Bomza

04-20-2007, 09:09 AM

say tampa bay has the #1 pick and you're bruce allen, who do you take?

Hello? Anyone else here witness he number of dropped balls we had last year???

Calvin Johnson. No question.

The Raiders would be stupid if they didn't take one of the top QB's, but you know, the Raiders are kinda stupid... lol...

di bello 3

04-20-2007, 09:28 AM

If I was Al Davis I would trade all of my draft picks to the Buc's for Chris Simms!!!:grinyes:

BucFanFrom1976

04-20-2007, 09:41 AM

This is easy. I would take Russell for either team. He is a freak athlete at the most important position on the field, you just cant pass on that. Yes CJ is a freak athlete also, but he is a WR.

ZombieBuc

04-20-2007, 10:24 AM

ABucInVickland

04-20-2007, 10:56 AM

Quinn is perfect for the type of offense they will be running there. For that reason I would take him.

BuccaneerBonzai

04-20-2007, 11:18 AM

If you had the #1 pick, what would you do?

If I were the Raiders, I'd take calvin Johnson, just to upset Tampa Fans...because that's just the sort of thing Davis likes to do.

Monty'sCircus

04-20-2007, 11:25 AM

Brady Quinn - He could be the face of the franchise and is a perfect fit for their new offense.

nttnybuc

04-20-2007, 11:32 AM

CJ,and here's why:

Look how horrible Reggie Ball is. CJ could make any Quarterback look decent. I mean,is Reggie Ball going to get drafted?

dawgland

04-20-2007, 11:33 AM

CJ,and here's why:

Look how horrible Reggie Ball is. CJ could make any Quarterback look decent. I mean,is Reggie Ball going to get drafted?

CJ didn't make reggie ball look good though

ABucInVickland

04-20-2007, 11:33 AM

If I were the Raiders, I'd take calvin Johnson, just to upset Tampa Fans...because that's just the sort of thing Davis likes to do.

Do you honestly believe that is part of his thought process?

dawgland

04-20-2007, 11:34 AM

Do you honestly believe that is part of his thought process?
i can't answer that question for him

but i can say that the poster doesn't have one

Monty'sCircus

04-20-2007, 11:42 AM

CJ didn't make reggie ball look good though
You hit that one on the head

tampabayfan

04-20-2007, 12:06 PM

*cough* TEXANS..Bush and Young *cough*

If the Texans had one of the first 3 picks then I wouldnt be worried-- they would take a qb.

RobBase

04-20-2007, 12:11 PM

ncraider

04-20-2007, 01:11 PM

This is actually fairly simple. IMO, Oakland should take the best player in the draft in CJ. Yes, there is a need for a QB but I don't think they've given up on Walter just yet and Oakland has also taken long looks in the past two weeks at Trent Edwards and Kevin Kolb. So, Oaklans still may go QB but just not with the first pick in the draft. No doubt about it, both Kiffen and Davis have raved about CJ and his ability. Not to mention CJ does fit a need at WR. I know, some of you are thinking we still have Moss. Yes, however Moss is and has never been a complete receive, IMO. Also, we've been trying to unload Moss since the end of February. Porter is on board with Kiffen and looks to rejevenuate his career but even still he isn't the caliber WR that CJ potentially could be. Curry, is a solid slot receiver but not a gamebreaker or a # 1 WR.

ncraider

04-20-2007, 01:12 PM

I'm not an NFL scout, and I have not seen much tape on these guys, but if I'm the Raiders making a mistake at #1 scares me a little. I'd like to slide out of that pick, swap with the Bucs, for their 2nd or 3rd round pick and take either Quinn or Russell at #4.

A trade down is certainly an option but we would at least want equal value and a second and third still favors you guys. Your first this year, a second and first next year would be a much better deal.

ncraider

04-20-2007, 01:14 PM

If I were the Raiders, I'd take calvin Johnson, just to upset Tampa Fans...because that's just the sort of thing Davis likes to do.

I strongly doubt it has anything to do with snubbing the Bucs. We desperately need a gamebreaker at WR. I have no faith in Randy Moss, anymore. I'll be shocked if he's still there in September.

PewterRico

04-20-2007, 01:17 PM

We desperately need a gamebreaker at WR.

We desperately need a guy who can get the ball to a gamebreaker first.

nttnybuc

04-20-2007, 01:18 PM

a 107.2 QB rating is bad? Let's put it this way,with out CJ,Georgia Tech would have been lost.

nttnybuc

04-20-2007, 01:21 PM

Ball had 20 TD's,15 of which went to CJ

ncraider

04-20-2007, 01:23 PM

We desperately need a guy who can get the ball to a gamebreaker first.

Very true! However, many in Oakland feel Walter has a shot at being that guy. Especially, Al Davis in which he felt Walter was the top rated QB on the board two years ago. I don't neccessarily agree but hey, to each his own. Also, Oakland is still looking at veteran QB's and possible trades. Oakland just doesn't or hasn't based on history put much stock into grooming young QB's or taking them this high. I just don't get the feeling that they are sold on Russell at this point and that's not a good thing this close to the draft. However, they are sold on Johnson, IMO.

RobBase

04-20-2007, 02:36 PM

Very true! However, many in Oakland feel Walter has a shot at being that guy. Especially, Al Davis in which he felt Walter was the top rated QB on the board two years ago. I don't neccessarily agree but hey, to each his own. Also, Oakland is still looking at veteran QB's and possible trades. Oakland just doesn't or hasn't based on history put much stock into grooming young QB's or taking them this high. I just don't get the feeling that they are sold on Russell at this point and that's not a good thing this close to the draft. However, they are sold on Johnson, IMO.

Makes sense to me that they should either take Johnson or move out of that #1 pick. I think we have too many holes to be trading future #1 draft picks or a current year 2nd round pick for that matter. I wouldn't be upset if Thomas fell to the Bucs, but snowball's chance in **** we would take him IMO.

Head173

04-20-2007, 02:37 PM

I would draft CJ and wait for Miami to cut Culpepper. And then I would have the number 1 passing offense and defense. OMG I hope they don't realize that!

Corsair

04-20-2007, 02:41 PM

Yeah, CJ is gonna turn the Raiders into the #1 passing offense.

Hyperbole much?

Head173

04-20-2007, 02:47 PM

Yeah, CJ is gonna turn the Raiders into the #1 passing offense.

Hyperbole much?

Yeah CJ, Porter, and Moss....
With Culpepper throwin.....
Culpepper + Moss = A LOT of yards.
This isn't quantum physics you know.

ncraider

04-20-2007, 02:54 PM

Makes sense to me that they should either take Johnson or move out of that #1 pick. I think we have too many holes to be trading future #1 draft picks or a current year 2nd round pick for that matter. I wouldn't be upset if Thomas fell to the Bucs, but snowball's chance in **** we would take him IMO.

I'm all for trading down or taking CJ. I'd much rather accumulate high draft picks this year and next then settling at this point. What do you think of Gaines Adams or Amobi as a Buc? Do you think they would fit into your D?

ncraider

04-20-2007, 02:56 PM

Yeah CJ, Porter, and Moss....
With Culpepper throwin.....
Culpepper + Moss = A LOT of yards.
This isn't quantum physics you know.

Sorry, but until Culpepper recovers or if he ever gets back to what he was, I'll pass on him.

Corsair

04-20-2007, 03:00 PM

As a Raider's fan, who would you like to draft with #1?

Bat 49

04-20-2007, 03:13 PM

If i was a raider fan i would say Calvin Johnson, as a buc i hope they'll say J. Russell.

Head173

04-20-2007, 03:20 PM

Sorry, but until Culpepper recovers or if he ever gets back to what he was, I'll pass on him.

So you must like your chances better with A.Walters huh? That is just crazy...:confused:

ncraider

04-20-2007, 03:34 PM

So you must like your chances better with A.Walters huh? That is just crazy...:confused:

Haven't seen enough of Walter to judge him fairly. Honestly, you can't evaluate him running a stone age break and breakfast offense from the late 80's and that's exactly what we ran a year ago with no running game and an atrocious o-line. Can't really say if Walter is the answer but I will say that I'd like to see him given a chance this year.

Miller4Prez64

04-20-2007, 03:43 PM

Sorry, but until Culpepper recovers or if he ever gets back to what he was, I'll pass on him.

I was about to say the same thing, the Raiders shouldn't sign him, behind that line that gave up so many sacks it's just a broken leg waiting to happen.

Miller4Prez64

04-20-2007, 03:45 PM

I'm all for trading down or taking CJ. I'd much rather accumulate high draft picks this year and next then settling at this point. What do you think of Gaines Adams or Amobi as a Buc? Do you think they would fit into your D?

I'm all for taking Okoye, but I don't like Gaines Adams. I just have a feeling he won't live up to his potential, I would prefer Anthony Spencer in the 2nd round if he's there.

ncraider

04-20-2007, 04:52 PM

I'm all for taking Okoye, but I don't like Gaines Adams. I just have a feeling he won't live up to his potential, I would prefer Anthony Spencer in the 2nd round if he's there.

I think Okoye is gonna be a dominant player at the next level. Maybe not his rookie season but so much potential. I also like Jamaal Anderson more so then Adams. I think Anderson can be a complete every down DE like Peppers. I like his upside.