Bucs draft grade after day 1

[bcf1968]

I'd say A-. I'm sure the whiners, haters and other dolts will say F.

[bucsdrive_cadis]

I'd say A-. I'm sure the whiners, haters and other dolts will say F.

EHH, I'll give it a B/B+ We addressed needs, and finally helped the Defense out.

[Naught-Nole-Buc]

I say "A"... filled our needs with great fits for our Off/Def systems. Black may have been a bit of an early pick, but he's a perfect fit!! Adams, Sears, Sabby and Black... get me Mebane and Breaston somehow and I will be thrilled!

[NinetySixSVT]

http://bbs.buccaneers.com/showthread.php?t=140324

[BucFanFrom1976]

I agree an A-. CJ would have been an A+, but without that we did everything I would have hoped for. We helped the D line and O Line and Safety and LB. We finally address the defense in the draft.

The only way I could be happier is if we could have gotten CJ at 4, but that was just not to be.

[BleedsPewter]

I'd give it a B,not that ppleased about the first pick,the rest could help our team out.

Nothing special,but we're known for boring drafts.

Best Pick:Sabby
Worst Pick:Gaines Adams

[Buc_40]

I have to say B+ and the only reason im putting it this high is because of the last two picks...

not only were they on the D side of the ball, but they sound like they have a lot of potential and fit this scheme very well

[coloradostate]

B

Not sexy, but it will get the job done under the sheets.

[Clayton80future]

I'll give it a B-. Very disappointed C.J. didn't come to Tampa Bay, but I was expecting to be let down like that anyway.



Gaines Adams is a good selection. Don't fool yourselves.

[MrBeef]

B+ Speed for defense and a good Guard. Be interesting to see what 5 we get tomorrow. Hopefully lots more D.

[SaY CHeEsE24]

Ha!!!!!! F- and here is why

Gaines Adams- about the only pick in the draft that i am "ok" with

Aaron Sears - we drafted an OL with the 35th pick in the draft when we just drafted OL with our 1st 2 picks last year.....terrible just terrible

Sabby Pascitelli - we picked some gooch over Aaron Rouse, the most underrated player in the draft and most people have compared him to john lynch, except he is faster

Quincy Black - Why take an OLB??? we already have 3000 LBs on the team, if we were going to draft a LB atleast make it a MLB.

Overall absolute terrible draft so far, i think the only thing that can cheer me up is jason hill in the 4th and thats about it.

[BleedsPewter]

http://bbs.buccaneers.com/showthread.php?t=140324
I hate to burst your bubble,but this thrread will get a lot more hits,afterall it is in the more fitting forum.

[BucsLJohnson34]

Don't be surprised if we make a deal to go back into the third round. I'm expecting something like that.

[xljohn316]

I say a B. Very surprised that Gruden and Allen are actually trying to rebuild the team for the long term and not blinded by a need to perform next year only. We should improve for next season, but these picks are obviously meting needs for the long run. Great rebuilding effort. Thank you FO staff for putting our team ahead of your personal interests!

[Acacius]

I say B+. I'm not sure we c0uldn't have done better, but I think it was a pretty solid draft overall.

[Ausbuc#43Cook]

W. For WTF?

[PantherSlayer]

B- Still not sold on the Sears pick..

[3under3]

B+...The way that the GM Gruden and his assistant Allen have drafted today, you would think they had more than one year left in Tampa.

[BucsLJohnson34]

Ha!!!!!! F- and here is why

Gaines Adams- about the only pick in the draft that i am "ok" with

Aaron Sears - we drafted an OL with the 35th pick in the draft when we just drafted OL with our 1st 2 picks last year.....terrible just terrible

Sabby Pascitelli - we picked some gooch over Aaron Rouse, the most underrated player in the draft and most people have compared him to john lynch, except he is faster

Quincy Black - Why take an OLB??? we already have 3000 LBs on the team, if we were going to draft a LB atleast make it a MLB.

Overall absolute terrible draft so far, i think the only thing that can cheer me up is jason hill in the 4th and thats about it.
But you're an idiot, so I'm glad you're not the GM/HC

[NinetySixSVT]

I hate to burst your bubble,but this thrread will get a lot more hits,afterall it is in the more fitting forum.

I simply linked to a poll so you can get a snapshot of how people feel. You can't make polls in college forum apparently.

[FLA-ORGator666]

A solid B+.

Addressed defense and in a big way. We got the top pass rushing DE in the draft, a Safety that will immediately help on Special Teams and could develop into a big time playmaker, and then we grab a freak athlete that has a ceiling as high as any player in this draft. Arron Sears is an interesting pick, but o-line help was needed and from what I read on him, he seems like a pretty good prospect.

[NinetySixSVT]

Don't be surprised if we make a deal to go back into the third round. I'm expecting something like that.

for who?

[cmill216]

I'm giving it a B.

Gaines, Sabby, and Quincy are a rock solid trio to speed up and inject some youth into our defense. However, passing on Kalil was just plain dumb.

[UMiamiBucFan]

Adams - B+
Sears - C
Piscitelli - A
Black - A

Overall - A-/B+

[Lane1220]

Gaines we needed for a pass rush and some youth on D.
We got a great run blocker. We basicly got a faster version of Lynch, and we got a Linebacker to replace Quarles.

Id say a solid B

[BucsLJohnson34]

for who?
I was thinking somebody like Jason Hill, but he was just selected.

[KiffininCanton]

Wasted a top 5 pick and reached on a high 2nd, but got good value out of a low 2nd and high 3rd, I'd give it a C+

[Buccaneer21]

B+ I'm really pumped about all 3 Defensive picks because they fit the cover 2 well and they all have above average speed at there positions. If we do move Buenning to Center and it works out I would bump it to an A because Sears, Buenning, and Joseph would be an enormous trio up the middle that will escort Caddy to many TD's. :grinyes:

[Lane1220]

Ha!!!!!! F- and here is why

Gaines Adams- about the only pick in the draft that i am "ok" with

Aaron Sears - we drafted an OL with the 35th pick in the draft when we just drafted OL with our 1st 2 picks last year.....terrible just terrible

Sabby Pascitelli - we picked some gooch over Aaron Rouse, the most underrated player in the draft and most people have compared him to john lynch, except he is faster

Quincy Black - Why take an OLB??? we already have 3000 LBs on the team, if we were going to draft a LB atleast make it a MLB.

Overall absolute terrible draft so far, i think the only thing that can cheer me up is jason hill in the 4th and thats about it.


We picked an O lineman for the LEFT SIDE.
Picked a LB because we RELEASED QUARLES.
Also picked a SAFETY who is AGGRESSIVE on EVERY PLAY unlike ROUSE.

to those that hate adams we NEEDED a young PASSRUSHER.

for those who don't get it I capitalized the IMPORTANT details.

[OldSombrero'76]

B-
Gaines Adams: I'd bet we shopped this pick but got no takers. He's a talent but not #4 type talent. Tends to take plays off.

Sears: This pick made no sense to me. Bigger need at C than OG. I'd liked to have seen Kalil taken here instead of another guy that we're going to move from another position along the line and "see" where he fits....when are we going to stop burning draft picks on OL? Or is Muir that incompetent that he doesn't know what to look for?

Piscitelli: Addresses a huge need but he's a tweener. Anything over Allen right now would be an improvement so at least we're trying to get it fixed.

Black: not sure I understand getting another WLB, June, Brooks etc already here. If we're going to draft a LB, get a Mike or Sam. Nece and Ruud are not the answers there. If the goal is to try him at safety (SS) well then why the heck did we pick Piscatelli? He's not a FS either.

[The Optimist]

I think we went with the right positions, but I'm not 100% in love with the last 2 guys...but you can't always get what you want. I thought there were a few guys available that would've been a better pick at those 2 selections, but Black and Piscatelli were not bad picks.

Nonetheless, I think they did a very good job at addressing needs on the first day...a pick at all 3 levels of the defense and a versatile o-lineman.

And we did'nt do anything stupid like take a qb or trade any picks so...

I'd say B+

[gators7777]

I guess I need some of that acid you guyz are having at your draft party.
This draft SUCKED and I hope to God it cost Gruden AND Allen their jobs. By passing so much talent , Their Peace room ( no war about it ) is a joke. Im not a troll trying to start fights with you guys in pewter colored glasses but Ill be darn if Im going to keep quiet about this garbage.
****

[BuCWilDFan]

I'm glad we got to address the defense. Besides sears all of our picks have been defense. You can tell by the press conference that Gruden wanted CJ but you can't mortage the team for just 1 player. All I can hope for as a fan is to just have faith in the guys we currently have in our roster. Michael Clayton better step it up this year 800+ yards 5-7 tds or else he'll get cut next year. I can't believe Oakland got mike williams and mccow(garbage) for a mere 4th? why couldn't we do that? I mean I'm not too high on Mike but for a 4th it wasn't too bad since 2 years ago he was a 10th overall pick. I guess he has preference on where he plays because he's going to be reunited with his Ex-Coordinator. Let's hope this guard turns out to be a stud and open holes for caddy and Adams performs @ a high level. I heard he will play RE there a way he can play LE as a starter? screw spires I want to see this kid perform right away and get 16 games under his belt

[Bucs-Fan-N-BigD]

I'm not sold on Sears. I think the DT position should have been address before anything on offense line.

Sabby Good pick up @ Safety

Black better than average LB.

[BucsLJohnson34]

I think everybody on this board signed up today. Honestly, where did all of these n00bs come from?

[PalmBayBuc]

I give it an "A"

The Bucs addressed the need for depth on the O-Line and D-Line and got a potential back up for Cato June after Brooks retires. The Bucs also got some much needed depth in the defensive backfield.

It was smart to stay away from recievers, quarterback, and running backs. I would have liked to have seen a corner taken, but you only get so many picks.

Concentrating on defense shows a commitment to make the organization better, not a quick fix. This is a good sign.

[Cornhusker402]

I just hpe we can consistently run the ****ing ball

[TBB Mod IV]

gators7777, it will be a month before you can continue this conversation.

[bcf1968]

Im not a troll trying to start fights with you guys in pewter colored glasses but Ill be darn if Im going to keep quiet about this garbage.

gators7777
Playing for NFL Europe

Seems like you don't have much of a choice.

[shadowhawk2020]

CJ would have been fun to watch but hopefully we have added enough youth and depth that I will forget all about him soon :)

[Cornhusker402]

The thing is, we got VERY GOOD TALENT at ALL 3 LEVELS of the Defense

Line
Backers
Secondary

That will offer tremendous help in the future.

and now we will have Joseph Trueblood and Sears anchoring the line for Caddy. hopefully we can run

[JamesWilder32]

After the first 2 picks I was ready to give us a D... but if Sears can be an OT in the NFL and not just an OG and if Adams and Rice can get on the field at the same time I raise it to a C+ ... then factor in two of the most impressive and very productive players inthe draft in Sabby and Black... I give us a

B+

[Cornhusker402]

After the first 2 picks I was ready to give us a D... but if Sears can be an OT in the NFL and not just an OG and if Adams and Rice can get on the field at the same time I raise it to a C+ ... then factor in two of the most impressive and very productive players inthe draft in Sabby and Black... I give us a

B+

Agreed

[BannedSrqFan]

Adams- D - Only a 3rd down situational pass rusher. Will take years to develop into a starter but will be thrown in immediately because of where he was drafted. We'll miss you Greg Spires.

Sears - C - If we got him to start at LG, I'm okay with trying that. If he's there as LT, Garcia and Simms had best check on the status of their medical insurance policies.

Piscitelli - F minus - Total wasted pick. Lorenzo Booker would have made more sense. Piscitelli does not have the vertical speed to play in the cover 2 system.

Black - D - Does not even address any needs at this time. Not a reflection on him, he'll be a fine LB in the future but we need help on special teams now and at Defensive Tackle.

Overall:

D

6-10

Let's sing it all together:

Building a better team for 2011.

[bcf1968]

Adams- D - Only a 3rd down situational pass rusher. Will take years to develop into a starter but will be thrown in immediately because of where he was drafted. We'll miss you Greg Spires.

Sears - C - If we got him to start at LG, I'm okay with trying that. If he's there as LT, Garcia and Simms had best check on the status of their medical insurance policies.

Piscitelli - F minus - Total wasted pick. Lorenzo Booker would have made more sense. Piscitelli does not have the vertical speed to play in the cover 2 system.

Black - D - Does not even address any needs at this time. Not a reflection on him, he'll be a fine LB in the future but we need help on special teams now and at Defensive Tackle.

Overall:

D

6-10

Let's sing it all together:

Building a better team for 2011.

Drugs are bad.

[JamesWilder32]

Adams- D - Only a 3rd down situational pass rusher. Will take years to develop into a starter but will be thrown in immediately because of where he was drafted. We'll miss you Greg Spires.

Sears - C - If we got him to start at LG, I'm okay with trying that. If he's there as LT, Garcia and Simms had best check on the status of their medical insurance policies.

Piscitelli - F minus - Total wasted pick. Lorenzo Booker would have made more sense. Piscitelli does not have the vertical speed to play in the cover 2 system.

Black - D - Does not even address any needs at this time. Not a reflection on him, he'll be a fine LB in the future but we need help on special teams now and at Defensive Tackle.

Overall:

D

6-10

Let's sing it all together:

Building a better team for 2011.

What are you talkinga bout? Sabby runs a sub 4.5 40, he doesn't have speed? the guy is an absolute ballhawk! You think because he's white he doesn't have speed? This guy was one of the most impressive athletes at the combine, add that to the fact that he amassed 15 or more INTs in his career and this guy is a great pick.

[JamesWilder32]

BTW, teams rarely address needs in round 3... You take the best player available, rarely do you get players that will help you this season.

[Buccaneer21]

What are you talkinga bout? Sabby runs a sub 4.5 40, he doesn't have speed? the guy is an absolute ballhawk! You think because he's white he doesn't have speed? This guy was one of the most impressive athletes at the combine, add that to the fact that he amassed 15 or more INTs in his career and this guy is a great pick.

Well said, the kid is a freak athlete he played baseball in high school as well and won many awards. Sabby is a natural leader and obviously very gifted physically.

[GenocideD]

We did the absolute best thing we could sitting at 4. We got the best OG in the draft. Would've like to see a trade down maybe to nab Kalil later. Piscatelli is a young J.Lynch. Black is a work horse and a dominant presence. Good for us! I think we're going to have our hands full against Carolina though... :eek:

[GenocideD]

I'm sure tomorrow we'll be taking a CB and a DT.

[PalmBayBuc]

Unless your this guy (http://www.thebrownhornets.com/images/kreskin.jpg) NOONE has any idea how ANY of these picks are going to pan out.

The positions drafted are the ONLY thing that ANYONE can judge. NOONE knows who will be a star and who will be a bust, so stop acting like you know because you don't.

[BannedSrqFan]

What are you talkinga bout? Sabby runs a sub 4.5 40, he doesn't have speed? the guy is an absolute ballhawk! You think because he's white he doesn't have speed? This guy was one of the most impressive athletes at the combine, add that to the fact that he amassed 15 or more INTs in his career and this guy is a great pick.

There is "speed" in the 40 and "football speed" in the game. He is very suspect covering deep balls (you know, like Drew Brees flings up, etc.) and bites on pump actions. He is not the prototype cover two type player.

And who said one word about the guy's "color" or "race" anywhere on this board? Who cares about that.

This is about developing a player that fits into our system. I do not think he does and question the value here.

But I'll give you your due. He'll look great on kickoff and punt coverage.:rolleyes:

[bcf1968]

Piscatelli is a young J.Lynch.

I can guarantee if this board existed 14 years ago people would be posting "John who? Wyche needs to be fired!"

[JamesWilder32]

Read any scouting report on Sabby, speed is not one of his weaknesses, as a matter of fact it is always liseed as a strength... The can can really run for a safety... Who knows, maybe he'll be playing the Will a year from now and then he'll really be able to run for a LB... This guy is an excellent athlete...I hope we can nab another athletic whitey in round 4, Wyoming FS John Wendling, that guy is a freak athlete...

[JamesWilder32]

I can guarantee if this board existed 14 years ago people would be posting "John who? Wyche needs to be fired!"

Fire Wyche!!!

[BannedSrqFan]

Read any scouting report on Sabby, speed is not one of his weaknesses, as a matter of fact it is always liseed as a strength... The can can really run for a safety... Who knows, maybe he'll be playing the Will a year from now and then he'll really be able to run for a LB... This guy is an excellent athlete...I hope we can nab another athletic whitey in round 4, Wyoming FS John Wendling, that guy is a freak athlete...

Ok, here is the ESPN Scouting Report on him from their draft page:

Piscitelli doesn't have the range to cover the deep half of the field. He's tough against the run and can make plays in coverage, but he just isn't fast enough to excel in the Cover 2 scheme.

[BucsLJohnson34]

Ok, here is the ESPN Scouting Report on him from their draft page:

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He could play LB in a Cover 2 according to the NFL.com SR.

[bcf1968]

Ok, here is the ESPN Scouting Report on him from their draft page:

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From NFL.com

The unquestioned leader of the Beavers' defense, Piscitelli (pronounced PIS-kuh-TELL-ee) is one of the premier safeties in the collegiate ranks. He boasts incredible range and closing speed and has proven equally effective playing deep in zone coverage or inside the box as a run stuffer. With Piscitelli's uncanny ability to always be around the ball, opposing offensive coordinators game-plan with the intention of keeping the play away from his territory.

[BannedSrqFan]

He could play LB in a Cover 2 according to the NFL.com SR.

I believe we were talking Safety. And I believe we have a boatload of linebackers except middle linebackers which we are sort of in need of.

But he will look good covering punts and kickoffs.:rolleyes:

[BannedSrqFan]

From NFL.com

The unquestioned leader of the Beavers' defense, Piscitelli (pronounced PIS-kuh-TELL-ee) is one of the premier safeties in the collegiate ranks. He boasts incredible range and closing speed and has proven equally effective playing deep in zone coverage or inside the box as a run stuffer. With Piscitelli's uncanny ability to always be around the ball, opposing offensive coordinators game-plan with the intention of keeping the play away from his territory.

Like I said, he'll look good covering punts and kickoffs.

He will not be a starter unless there is another massive rash of injuries. Next.:rolleyes:

[TwolveS]

Yeah all of you hating on Adams. we should of taking Quentin Moses with the 4th pick right over Gaines Adams right??:rolleyes:

[Brandon_Bull]

I would like to assign a grade of Z- but F- is considered the worst. Did nothing and addressed nothing during the first day of the draft.

PLEASE FIRE GRUDEN AND ALLEN NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[bucsfan843]

id give us a b- we addressed alot of needs on the defence finally after a few years of just going offence gruden saide i think i better help out kiffen or hes gonna just ship. tomorrow we need to address dt,wr also i like that kicker from colorado crosby

[Malev0lent]

Adams- D - Only a 3rd down situational pass rusher. Will take years to develop into a starter but will be thrown in immediately because of where he was drafted. We'll miss you Greg Spires.

Sears - C - If we got him to start at LG, I'm okay with trying that. If he's there as LT, Garcia and Simms had best check on the status of their medical insurance policies.

Piscitelli - F minus - Total wasted pick. Lorenzo Booker would have made more sense. Piscitelli does not have the vertical speed to play in the cover 2 system.

Black - D - Does not even address any needs at this time. Not a reflection on him, he'll be a fine LB in the future but we need help on special teams now and at Defensive Tackle.

Overall:

D

6-10

Let's sing it all together:

Building a better team for 2011.



Pure ignorance......all points made.


Those who are negative about Gaines Adams need to watch what Kiffin/Coyer have to say in the video on the main page about him. Might enlighten you on why he was picked.


Draft Grade: A

[GenocideD]

Pure ignorance......all points made.


Those who are negative about Gaines Adams need to watch what Kiffin/Coyer have to say in the video on the main page about him. Might enlighten you on why he was picked.


Draft Grade: A
Ditto.
I couldn't have said it better myself. Watch the vid.

[Brandon_Bull]

Ditto.
I couldn't have said it better myself. Watch the vid.

Were they suppose to make a vid saying how bad the draft was? Of course it was the bestest draft ever but not for the Bucs.

Say hello to 8-8 at best for a few years. The Saints and any team with speed on offense are going to screw the Bucs into the turf on Sundays.

The Bucs are so screwed on defense it's not funny.

[truckurjoe]

A+ i would have liked to get cj, but since we didnt trade the farm for him and addressed some defensive issues we have. All in all it was an excellent day in my opinion. we are going to have a dominant o line.

LT petitgout
LG sears
C buenning
RG joseph
RT trueblood

I am excited and cant wait for the season. :D

[truckurjoe]

Were they suppose to make a vid saying how bad the draft was? Of course it was the bestest draft ever but not for the Bucs.

Say hello to 8-8 at best for a few years. The Saints and any team with speed on offense are going to screw the Bucs into the turf on Sundays.

The Bucs are so screwed on defense it's not funny.

Why is it because they didnt pick the players you like...the defensive players they picked have great speed...maybe you should apply to be their scouting director..:lol: :rotf:

[Brandon_Bull]

A+ i would have liked to get cj, but since we didnt trade the farm for him and addressed some defensive issues we have. All in all it was an excellent day in my opinion. we are going to have a dominant o line.

LT petitgout
LG sears
C buenning
RG joseph
RT trueblood

I am excited and cant wait for the season. :D

Buenning is not a Center. He is a LG recovering from a bad injury.

[truckurjoe]

Buenning is not a Center. He is a LG recovering from a bad injury.

watch the video of gruden summing up the day and in there he talks of buenning making the transition to center.

[ImAWalkingCorps]

D, Gaines Adams saves this from being an F. We drafted a backup guard with the 4th pick in the 2nd round, and then Quincy Black, not impressed one single bit with Jon Gruden and his draft so far.

[Acacius]

Were they suppose to make a vid saying how bad the draft was? Of course it was the bestest draft ever but not for the Bucs.

Say hello to 8-8 at best for a few years. The Saints and any team with speed on offense are going to screw the Bucs into the turf on Sundays.

The Bucs are so screwed on defense it's not funny.

That doesn't make sense. Speed is the strong suit of the players we drafted. If the defense struggles, it seems far more likely to happen against power running teams. Not that THAT'S exactly anything new for our team.

[Brandon_Bull]

watch the video of gruden summing up the day and in there he talks of buenning making the transition to center.

I also remember the press conference where Gruden said the future is so bright we will need to wear shades.

His injury will keep him from regular season play and then somehow the magical transformation from G to C will happen.

The Bucs are screwed.

[truckurjoe]

kiffin builds his defenses on speed...that what was so great about our d in the past

[ABucInVickland]

How can you grade a draft until the guys get here and play?

this thread sucks