Rb U, TE U, WR U...etc....

[fredglsu1982]

List your top schools as far as the position players they always seem to produce...

Running Back U...Auburn or Miami

Tight End U...Miami (depending on next year Notre Dame could slip in as well as Arizona State

WR U...wow this could go so many ways...OSU (homles, ginn, gonzo) LSU (clayton, Bowe, davis) USC (Williams, Smith, Jarrett)

DB U...gotta go with Miami but it could be Va Tech or Texas

LB U...Miami, Maryland, FSU

OL U...Michigan, Auburn, LSU

DL U...Georgia...even though they never seem to live up to expectations in the NFL

QB U...USC for now...potentially Notre Dame and LSU

Keep in mind...these are just opinions...feel free to list yours

[dawgland]

lsu doesn't compare the slightest bit to OSU WRs

Terry Glenn
Joey Galloway
Santonio Holmes
Michael Jenkins
Ted Ginn Jr.
Anthony Gonzalez
david boston(in his prime....)

[fredglsu1982]

lsu doesn't compare the slightest bit to OSU WRs

Terry Glenn
Joey Galloway
Santonio Holmes
Michael Jenkins
Ted Ginn Jr.
Anthony Gonzalez
david boston(in his prime....)

I was goin off of lately...Not 5-10 years ago...how did i forget about jenkins...with that huge impact he has had in ATL...LSU my friend is just getting started as they have another 1st rounder next year in Doucet as well as 2-3 more prospects that will get their chance to show their stuff this season

[dawgland]

I was goin off of lately...Not 5-10 years ago...how did i forget about jenkins...with that huge impact he has had in ATL...LSU my friend is just getting started as they have another 1st rounder next year in Doucet as well as 2-3 more prospects that will get their chance to show their stuff this season

i love the smart *** comment about jenkins yet you included clayton in your list of LSU

[fredglsu1982]

i love the smart *** comment about jenkins yet you included clayton in your list of LSU

yea...i gave him the Benefit of the doubt because he atleast made some sort of an impact for atleast 1 season...Jenkins has made about as much impact in the NFL as Gonzo and Ginn

[fredglsu1982]

how could i forget Josh Reed and Devery Henderson

[fredglsu1982]

eddie kennison...since u wanna add players in their 30s to this thread

[dawgland]

eddie kennison...since u wanna add players in their 30s to this thread

add all those players, and they still don't compare to what ohio state has listed

stop being a homer, seriously

[fredglsu1982]

add all those players, and they still don't compare to what ohio state has listed

stop being a homer, seriously

both schools have players 8 players in the NFL at Wr...maybe you could show me where I even hinted at what school puts the BEST players in the nfl at each position...hmmmmm....maybe thats because the topic was just, what schools put the most players in the nfl at each position...


next week class we will learn the difference between a butthole and a doornob

[dawgland]

both schools have players 8 players in the NFL at Wr...maybe you could show me where I even hinted at what school puts the BEST players in the nfl at each position...hmmmmm....maybe thats because the topic was just, what schools put the most players in the nfl at each position...


next week class we will learn the difference between a butthole and a doornob
dude, first of all between boston, glenn, and galloway, those 3 combined have done more than all of the LSU WRs put together

and you must not understand the saying you're trying to use. its not who puts the most, its who puts the best quality. just because you managed to put in a handful of bench players doesn't mean anything

[maryjanewatson]

If we're talking recently, not historically:

QB - USC. Booty will be the third consecutive starter for them drafting in the first round, and even a guy who didn't play since HS was drafted.

RB - Miami. Gore, McGahee, Portis, etc.

WR - OSU. No argument from me.

TE - Miami. Shockey, Winslow, Everett, Olsen.

OL - Michigan. Jake Long. Hutch. Backus. Maurice Williams. ETC.

DL - How about NC State? Lawson, Mario Williams, Tank Tyler, John McCargo...

LB - Miami again.

DB - I'm gonna lean towards Texas. Jammer, Ross, Cedric and Michael Griffin, Huff...

[fredglsu1982]

dude, first of all between boston, glenn, and galloway, those 3 combined have done more than all of the LSU WRs put together

and you must not understand the saying you're trying to use. its not who puts the most, its who puts the best quality. just because you managed to put in a handful of bench players doesn't mean anything

dude...OSU has put in 2 guys that have done anything close to meaningful and they are not exactly the hall of famers you are making them out to be...

Dont even try to put Boston in the mix...we have seen the numbers he has put up ever since he got off the juice and coke...

[dawgland]

dude...OSU has put in 2 guys that have done anything close to meaningful and they are not exactly the hall of famers you are making them out to be...

Dont even try to put Boston in the mix...we have seen the numbers he has put up ever since he got off the juice and coke...
i'm not even saying OSU is the best at WR, but LSU has put in 0 guys that have done anything consistant in their career

[dawgland]

DB - I'm gonna lean towards Texas. Jammer, Ross, Cedric and Michael Griffin, Huff...
depending on what this tool thinks is recent history, i'd throw ohio state into this one too

will allen
nate clements
chris gamble
shawn springs
donte whitner
ashton youboty
toine winfield
mike doss

[fredglsu1982]

i'm not even saying OSU is the best at WR, but LSU has put in 0 guys that have done anything consistant in their career

oh now we are going on consistency...even though Kennison and Glenns stats are almost the exact same???? The only thing OSU has up on LSU as far as your arguement goes is Galloway (who by the way is a little over 1000 yards ahead of both glenn and kennison for his career...but we can just contribute this to his 12 season in the league compared to Glenn and Kennison both being in the league for 11 years)

LSU is just getting started my friend...


sorry galloway is only about 400-500 ahead of Glenn in career yardage...yea true league of their own

[maryjanewatson]

depending on what this tool thinks is recent history, i'd throw ohio state into this one too

will allen
nate clements
chris gamble
shawn springs
donte whitner
ashton youboty
toine winfield
mike doss

True enough. Lotta nice players there. I'd also include Nate Salley, since he may end up starting this year.

Oh, putting LSU's receivers over OSU's is nuttin' but homerism. I wouldn't even try to make that argument. Nobody has anything on OSU's receivers over the last ten or so years.

[fredglsu1982]

depending on what this tool thinks is recent history, i'd throw ohio state into this one too

will allen
nate clements
chris gamble
shawn springs
donte whitner
ashton youboty
toine winfield
mike doss

might I add, 11 and 12 years ago is real recent...good job jackass

[fredglsu1982]

dude, first of all between boston, glenn, and galloway, those 3 combined have done more than all of the LSU WRs put together

and you must not understand the saying you're trying to use. its not who puts the most, its who puts the best quality. just because you managed to put in a handful of bench players doesn't mean anything

well based on your theory then im guessing I was wrong about Miami being Tight End U...since only 1 of them has made any sort of an impact in the NFL

[TulaneBucFan]

[QUOTE=fredglsu1982;2669344]List your top schools as far as the position players they always seem to produce...

Running Back U... Miami

Tight End U... Unsure

WR U Ohio State

DB U Ohio State

LB U...Penn State/FSU

OL U...Michigan

DL U... Unsure

QB U...Tulane

[fredglsu1982]

True enough. Lotta nice players there. I'd also include Nate Salley, since he may end up starting this year.

Oh, putting LSU's receivers over OSU's is nuttin' but homerism. I wouldn't even try to make that argument. Nobody has anything on OSU's receivers over the last ten or so years.

im not being a homer dude...this thread was based on what schools contribute the most players to the NFL at each position...i dont wanna get into one of those "who is better than who" arugements which dawgland loves to turn it into...Kinda like that whole "osu is the best team in the nation and nobody has the speed to play with them yadi yadi yadi" we had to hear from dawg the whole year. Fact is both schools have equal number of wrs in the NFL right now. If you cant handle the facts then im sorry. It doesnt make me a homer.

[fredglsu1982]

If we're talking recently, not historically:

QB - USC. Booty will be the third consecutive starter for them drafting in the first round, and even a guy who didn't play since HS was drafted.

RB - Miami. Gore, McGahee, Portis, etc.

WR - OSU. No argument from me.

TE - Miami. Shockey, Winslow, Everett, Olsen.

OL - Michigan. Jake Long. Hutch. Backus. Maurice Williams. ETC.

DL - How about NC State? Lawson, Mario Williams, Tank Tyler, John McCargo...

LB - Miami again.

DB - I'm gonna lean towards Texas. Jammer, Ross, Cedric and Michael Griffin, Huff...
FOOOOO sho[[[[40 year old virgin tone]]]]

[Monty'sCircus]

By recent (which is relative to everyone, I'm thinking about the turn of the century and beyond.)

QB - USC - Palmer, Leinart and Booty...just wow!

RB - Miami. Gore, McGahee, Portis...Its just not fair

WR - OSU, but you could easily make an argument for LSU or even USC, due to over all lack of production from any of them.

TE - Miami. Shockey, Winslow, Everett, Olsen - Again how do they do it?

OL - Wisconsin - Joe Thomas, Dan Buenning...I'm sure there are more, but I haven't had enough coffee yet. Iowa does a pretty decent job also

DL - NC State - Lawson, Mario Williams, Tank Tyler, John McCargo...

LB - Miami - Vilma, Williams, Morgan, and now Beason

DB - I don't believe anyone is having some real success providing the NFL with quality DBs...Hit or miss position, just like WR.

[JamesWilder32]

List your top schools as far as the position players they always seem to produce...

Running Back U...Auburn or Miami

Tight End U...Miami (depending on next year Notre Dame could slip in as well as Arizona State

WR U...wow this could go so many ways...OSU (homles, ginn, gonzo) LSU (clayton, Bowe, davis) USC (Williams, Smith, Jarrett)

DB U...gotta go with Miami but it could be Va Tech or Texas

LB U...Miami, Maryland, FSU

OL U...Michigan, Auburn, LSU

DL U...Georgia...even though they never seem to live up to expectations in the NFL

QB U...USC for now...potentially Notre Dame and LSU

Keep in mind...these are just opinions...feel free to list yours


Gimme a break!

RB
Recent history Miami has the best track record at te NFL level... Past 20 years: Auburn, easily! (Bo Jackson, Joe Cribbs, James Brooks, Lionel James, Stephen Davis, Brent Fullwood-perhaps not a good choice, and then the guys that are playing now including Rudi Johnson, Heath Evans, Williams, Brown, Jacobs-sure they can claim him). Biggest school for flops? Michigan... high round picks wasted on Michigan products: Biakabatuka, Bunch, Wheatley, A. Thomas, T. Boles, the Cincinatti backup who has done zippo, Leroy Hoard, Butch Woolfolk, and I'm sure a player/flop or two that I'm forgetting.


TE
Nobody can touch Miami, other than Heap and a totally unproven Zack Miller, ASU has nothing. You might was well throw Liberty in there if you are talking about schools with one good player.

WR
Ohio St. This is no contest. LSU is not even close to LSU, as a matter of fact, they aren't close to Miami. How many star WR's come from LSU? And what is one more than that? 1. Syracuse is known more for WR's than LSU, LSU WR's have done nothing in the NFL...
Past 20 years--- Still Ohio St.--- Cris Carter is a name that can only enhance any list but don't count out Tennessee, who until the boom from OSU was widely considered WR-U

QB Miami? What have they done in the pros lately? Dorsey? Torretta? They have been terrible lately, 20 years ago they were great, Kelly, Kosar, Walsh, Testaverde, Erickson... but not now. Other than Miami, BYU has an impressive 20+ year history... Gifford Nielsen, Jim McMahon, Marc Wilson, Steve Young, Robbie Bosco--pathetic pro career, and a few other guys that did some #2 QB duties. UVa has had an impressive 20+ year run, Don Majkowski, Shawn Moore, Aaron Brooks, Matt Schaub, Matt Blundin.... but Miami takes the 1st prize.
Now? USC, easy, two franchise QB's, a possible 3rd (or more) on the way in Booty/Sanchez, Mustaine, Matt Cassel is Tom Brady's backup, sure their 20+ year history isn't great, Marinovich, Peete, Salisbury but they are the current QB school... LSU? Who have they had that has even thrown an NFL pass? Rohan Davey? Matt Mauck? Don't even say JaMarcus "Two-Tons of Fun" Russell... The jury is still out on that big guy but so far it doesn't look good.

DB-- VTech is decent, but Texas, Miami and Ohio St are by far the best currently... FSU was once DBU and over the past 20+ years they get my vote.

LB Where did you get Maryland from? Merriman and EJ Henderson? Why not go with Akron and Jason Taylor? UVa blows Maryland out of the water with the likes of Sharper, Farrior, Brooks, Rainier, Crowell and several others and with a much richer history with Slade, Lageman, and a few others coming out in the past 20+ years. But Miami has to be the choice for now as it seems a larger portion of their LBs make an impact in the pros (Lewis, Williams, Vilma, numerous others) and traditionally Penn St. is known as LBU, for the past 20 years, not so much, but I prefer to stick with tradition here.

OL-You hve to go with USC... Every year they put out a top player at one of the positions that end up being very good in the pros. Notre Dame, despite having some lean years, has done well the past 20+ years in consistently putting out solid NFL products.

DL--it is hard to argue with a quartet of high draft picks that NC State has put into the NFL recently and nobody can match the high round flops of FSU in the past 20 years... Miami has been kind of floppish... Holmes and Lang but have hit on a few as well. I would have to put Florida as the top choice as of recently... Kearse, K. Carter, Gerard Warren, Alex Brown and a bevy of players taken in the past couple of years, they are the obvious choice.

[TomatoVSC]

DB U - Virginia Tech
Deangello Hall
Jimmy Williams
Aaron Rouse
Justin Hamilton
Eric Green
Vincent Fuller(will challenge for a starting spot next year)
Willie Pile(Stinks...but he's in the NFL)
Kevin McCadam
Cory Bird(Also stinks)
Ike Charlton (had a couple good years)
Pierson Prioleau

[Hawxter19]

both schools have players 8 players in the NFL at Wr...maybe you could show me where I even hinted at what school puts the BEST players in the nfl at each position...hmmmmm....maybe thats because the topic was just, what schools put the most players in the nfl at each position...


next week class we will learn the difference between a butthole and a doornob

Sure...

yea...i gave him the Benefit of the doubt because he atleast made some sort of an impact for atleast 1 season...Jenkins has made about as much impact in the NFL as Gonzo and Ginn

[Monty'sCircus]

DB U - Virginia Tech
Deangello Hall
Jimmy Williams
Aaron Rouse
Justin Hamilton
Eric Green
Vincent Fuller(will challenge for a starting spot next year)
Willie Pile(Stinks...but he's in the NFL)
Kevin McCadam
Cory Bird(Also stinks)
Ike Charlton (had a couple good years)
Pierson Prioleau

They are probably the 5th best at producing DB talent.

Miami, Texas, and Ohio State top the list. With FSU sitting quite comfortable at #4.

[JamesWilder32]

DB U - Virginia Tech
Deangello Hall
Jimmy Williams
Aaron Rouse
Justin Hamilton
Eric Green
Vincent Fuller(will challenge for a starting spot next year)
Willie Pile(Stinks...but he's in the NFL)
Kevin McCadam
Cory Bird(Also stinks)
Ike Charlton (had a couple good years)
Pierson Prioleau


Ronyell Whitaker

[mrsaturdaynight]

I would also mention Florida recievers as well they have shown to be able to stick around for the long haul!!!!!

[dawgland]

I would also mention Florida recievers as well they have shown to be able to stick around for the long haul!!!!!

there ya go

[Monty'sCircus]

I would also mention Florida recievers as well they have shown to be able to stick around for the long haul!!!!!

Like Gang Green. Nobody wants it, but you just can't seem to get rid of it.

*For the record I am a UF fan.

Maybe Harvin will pull through for us

[Jakopo]

For the WR debate. If you are going by contributions over the careers of the players in the league, it is OSU hand down. Here is total yardage for current players in the league (listed in decreasing order):

Ohio State -- 25,466 yards (Galloway, Glenn, Boston, Jenkins, Holmes, Carter, Childress)

Florida State -- 14,781 yards (L. Coles, Boldin, Walker, Jennings)

Miami -- 14,609 yards (Wayne, Moss, Johnson, Parrish, Moss)

Florida -- 14,343 yards (Jackson, Hilliard, Gaffney, Jacobs, Jackson)

LSU -- 13,362 yards (Kennison, Reed, Clayton, Henderson)


As for the future, I think an argument could be made for nearly any of those four teams based on how the young guys do.

[Monty'sCircus]

I have to ask...why is Bam Childress on your list?

[Jakopo]

I have to ask...why is Bam Childress on your list?

I put down everyone who has yards in the NFL. According to espn.com he has 39 yards receiving with NE.

-- I used their school search engine in search for players to generate the lists, then looked at career yardage.

[Crash22384]

im not being a homer dude...this thread was based on what schools contribute the most players to the NFL at each position...i dont wanna get into one of those "who is better than who" arugements which dawgland loves to turn it into...Kinda like that whole "osu is the best team in the nation and nobody has the speed to play with them yadi yadi yadi" we had to hear from dawg the whole year. Fact is both schools have equal number of wrs in the NFL right now. If you cant handle the facts then im sorry. It doesnt make me a homer.

I consider you a homer just for the fact that you seem to only want to name players that were drafted over the course of the last 3 years. Then you keep making comment about "not 5-10 years ago," and so on.

List your top schools as far as the position players they always seem to produce...

That is how you started the thread and I don't see a time frame limit or anything to that extent.

[Legacy]

Penn State is Linebacker U. It's not up for debate.

[TomatoVSC]

Penn State is Linebacker U. It's not up for debate.

"Bust U"

[Crash22384]

Penn State is Linebacker U. It's not up for debate.

With D.J. Williams, Jonathan Vilma, Jon Beason, Leon Williams, Nate Webster, Ray Lewis, Dan Morgan, Rocky McIntosh, and Darrel McClover all on active NFL rosters, I would be willing to put Miami into this non-debate of yours.

[UMiamiBucFan]

Homerism aside, I think UM is pretty much Defense U. Anybody want to go up against a roster full of these guys:
DE:
Baraka Atkins
Jamaal Green
Kenard Lang
Jerome McDougle

DT:
Kareem Brown
Orien Harris
William Joseph
Damione Lewis
Warren Sapp
Santonio Thomas
Vince Wilfork

LB:
Jon Beason
Ray Lewis
Darrell McClover
Roger McIntosh
Dan Morgan
Jonathan Vilma
Nate Webster
Leon Williams
D.J. Williams

CB:
Phillip Buchanon
Tanard Davis
Devin Hester
Kelly Jennings
Marcus Maxey
Antrel Rolle
Duane Starks

S:
Brandon Meriweather
Ed Reed
Mike Rumph
Sean Taylor

Other than some weak DEs (could just take Calias Campbell from the current UM roster...), that is one hell of a defense.

What was that commercial again? The Miami Hurricanes would beat the Cincinnati Bengals?

[BucNCreed]

lsu doesn't compare the slightest bit to OSU WRs

Terry Glenn
Joey Galloway
Santonio Holmes
Michael Jenkins
Ted Ginn Jr.
Anthony Gonzalez
david boston(in his prime....)

Terry Glenn - great player, has had a great career

Joey Galloway - great player, has had a great career

Santonio Holmes - verdict still out, but played well his rookie year

Michael Jenkins - two seasons and i havent seen this guy live up to much, even though he has the anti qb on his team

Ted Ginn Jr. - unproven

Anthony Gonzalez - unproven

david boston(in his prime....) - had a great start to his career but nose dived...

[dawgland]

Terry Glenn - great player, has had a great career

Joey Galloway - great player, has had a great career

Santonio Holmes - verdict still out, but played well his rookie year

Michael Jenkins - two seasons and i havent seen this guy live up to much, even though he has the anti qb on his team

Ted Ginn Jr. - unproven

Anthony Gonzalez - unproven

david boston(in his prime....) - had a great start to his career but nose dived...

my point was, now make up the list of LSU WRs

[BucNCreed]

my point was, now make up the list of LSU WRs

Michael Clayton - verdict still out on this one

Devery Henderson - looks to be the better of the duo of him and clayton so far

Eddie Kennison - had had a pretty successful career so far

Josh Reed - hasnt blown up in terms of stats, but is a dependable reciever

Craig Davis - is a rookie, but will get a chane in that system in san diego

Dwayne Bowe - is a rookie with alot of talent

Eric Martin - still hold most of the Saints records...

Todd Kinchen - former 3rd rounder

Wendell Davis - had a pretty consistent career



thats the best i could do - i still wont say either is better than the other

[DemonBuc]

Boston College should be considered for OL, at least for their underdog factor. You've got:
Dan Koppen
Jeremy Trueblood
Damien Woody
Tom Nalen
Mark Colombo
among others

[PantherSlayer]

RB- Auburn

[fredglsu1982]

I consider you a homer just for the fact that you seem to only want to name players that were drafted over the course of the last 3 years. Then you keep making comment about "not 5-10 years ago," and so on.



That is how you started the thread and I don't see a time frame limit or anything to that extent.

Just Bitter are we????

[gdawg4953]

The U pwns OSU at WR. I really wouldn't put quantity over quality for the list at any of the positions. Only the top 3 or 4 should count. Like that long list of DBs from VT. Maybe only one of them is good.

[dawgland]

for WRs, i nominate Santa Monica Community College

[BucsBoy24]

List your top schools as far as the position players they always seem to produce...

Running Back U...Miami

Tight End U...Miami [/B

WR U...[B]OSU

DB U...Recently Texas

LB U...FSU Tmmons, and Davis will be great mark it down, Brooks, Sims, i guess you could count Wimbley

OL U... Auburn

DL U...NC State

QB U...USC

Keep in mind...these are just opinions...feel free to list yours
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[BucsBoy24]

The U pwns OSU at WR. I really wouldn't put quantity over quality for the list at any of the positions. Only the top 3 or 4 should count. Like that long list of DBs from VT. Maybe only one of them is good.

FSU only has 4 WRs in the NFL, one of them being a Sophomore and they have more yards than Miami...

[dawgland]

FSU only has 4 WRs in the NFL, one of them being a Sophomore and they have more yards than Miami...

FSU has more than 4 in the NFL

j-walk, boldin, coles, chris davis, mike jennings, willie ried*, PK sam, & thorpe

[BucsBoy24]

FSU has more than 4 in the NFL

j-walk, boldin, coles, chris davis, mike jennings, willie ried*, PK sam, & thorpe

I was going off the ones he gave the yardage of

[bucsfan8910]

You definitely have to put Wisconsin in the running for O-line U. They have produced solid linemen throughout the years (most recently Joe Thomas), and always seem to be solid at the collegiate level. I might also consider slipping in Nebraska at LB U.

[gdawg4953]

FSU only has 4 WRs in the NFL, one of them being a Sophomore and they have more yards than Miami...

And they are better than Wayne, Moss and Johnson? puleaze

[dawgland]

And they are better than Wayne, Moss and Johnson? puleaze

eh, i'd say its almost neck and neck

i am an FSU fan but trying to stay impartial on this decision

i'd just give it 1a and 1b

but like i said, i'd give the edge to santa monica CC
Chad Johnson
Steve Smith

thats definately quality over quantity

[JamesWilder32]

im not being a homer dude...this thread was based on what schools contribute the most players to the NFL at each position...i dont wanna get into one of those "who is better than who" arugements which dawgland loves to turn it into...Kinda like that whole "osu is the best team in the nation and nobody has the speed to play with them yadi yadi yadi" we had to hear from dawg the whole year. Fact is both schools have equal number of wrs in the NFL right now. If you cant handle the facts then im sorry. It doesnt make me a homer.

Actually, this thread, started by you, was about what schools should be considered the university most known for a certain position.

LSU might have some high draft picks at a few positions lately, but having one QB, a couple of WR's and a S hardly get drafted high doesn't make them the U of anything. Those players have yet to prove themselves in the NFL

Having one 1st round QB doesn't mean anything towards LSU being a QB factory. Tommy Hodson, Rohan Davey and Matt Mauck only serve to hurt your argument. Using your logic Utah is a bigger QB factory than LSU... they too had a QB selected #1 overall but they also had a semi-successful QB in Scott Mitchell that is far better than those other 3 bums from LSU.

Your thread is, which school is considered XX-U, XX-U, etc. Not, who has the most mediocre players or unproven players in the NFL, but what schools have the most players making an impact in the NFL.


Traditionally speakingL

BYU is known for their QBs
Texas is known for OL
Penn St. is known for LBs
Tennessee is known for their WRs
USC is known for their tailbacks
Oklahoma is know for shooting uzis in the school parking lot...
and
Louisiana is known for their swamps and gumbo.
L

[fredglsu1982]

Actually, this thread, started by you, was about what schools should be considered the university most known for a certain position.

LSU might have some high draft picks at a few positions lately, but having one QB, a couple of WR's and a S hardly get drafted high doesn't make them the U of anything. Those players have yet to prove themselves in the NFL

Having one 1st round QB doesn't mean anything towards LSU being a QB factory. Tommy Hodson, Rohan Davey and Matt Mauck only serve to hurt your argument. Using your logic Utah is a bigger QB factory than LSU... they too had a QB selected #1 overall but they also had a semi-successful QB in Scott Mitchell that is far better than those other 3 bums from LSU.

Your thread is, which school is considered XX-U, XX-U, etc. Not, who has the most mediocre players or unproven players in the NFL, but what schools have the most players making an impact in the NFL.


Traditionally speakingL

BYU is known for their QBs
Texas is known for OL
Penn St. is known for LBs
Tennessee is known for their WRs
USC is known for their tailbacks
Oklahoma is know for shooting uzis in the school parking lot...
and
Louisiana is known for their swamps and gumbo.
L

Notice how I said Potentially LSU??? As in they have 2 more 1st round prospects on the roster at QB...one of them with more potential than Jamarcus...kinda wierd how I never mentioned mauck or davey huh...

But yes the gumbo is quite tasteful...unlike your attempted bash of louisiana as a whole state??? Which, by the way, has produced some of the more successful football players in NFL history...so whatever makes you feel better about your pathetic life dude

[gdawg4953]

eh, i'd say its almost neck and neck

i am an FSU fan but trying to stay impartial on this decision

i'd just give it 1a and 1b

but like i said, i'd give the edge to santa monica CC
Chad Johnson
Steve Smith

thats definately quality over quantity


I can live with that answer, but I think that we should take current NFL lineups and pick 3 to 4 for each position except at qb which would be only 2 and decide. If some want to go with retired players, I would only go back ten years max or this could include a lot of schools that no longer even come close right now.

[dawgland]

I can live with that answer, but I think that we should take current NFL lineups and pick 3 to 4 for each position except at qb which would be only 2 and decide. If some want to go with retired players, I would only go back ten years max or this could include a lot of schools that no longer even come close right now.

normally when people say "... U" it transcends generations

this guy is just trying to skew it so that he can list LSU, even though they really don't belong in any category

[FLA-ORGator666]

eh, i'd say its almost neck and neck

i am an FSU fan but trying to stay impartial on this decision

i'd just give it 1a and 1b

but like i said, i'd give the edge to santa monica CC
Chad Johnson
Steve Smith

thats definately quality over quantity
Or Chad Johnson and TJ Houshmandzadeh from Oregon State (Chad can kinda be counted both ways).

[JamesWilder32]

Notice how I said Potentially LSU??? As in they have 2 more 1st round prospects on the roster at QB...one of them with more potential than Jamarcus...kinda wierd how I never mentioned mauck or davey huh...

But yes the gumbo is quite tasteful...unlike your attempted bash of louisiana as a whole state??? Which, by the way, has produced some of the more successful football players in NFL history...so whatever makes you feel better about your pathetic life dude


Yep, you got me, Homer, I've got a pathetic life, great wife, great kids, great job and I look.... fab-U-lous! But you're right, my life is utterly pathetic.

(when people know they've lost a debate they often resort to unfounded personal attacks)

So seriously, who's more pathetic? Me, or some kid that makes a really stupid homeristic thread and then vigilantly guards it until the dying end no matter how stupid the thread is?

[Jakopo]

I was going off the ones he gave the yardage of

My list doesn't have players in the NFL that haven't caught a pass. Some schools do indeed have more players than I listed, (as dawgland pointed out), the players just don't have any official receptions.

[deltbucs]

Penn State is Linebacker U. It's not up for debate.

FSU and Miami both beat out PSU.

Edit: Since someone already mentioned all of the UM LBs, here is a list FSU LBs.

Derrick Brooks
Peter Boulware
Michael Boulware (although, SEA moved him to safety)
Sam Cowart
Kendal (SP?) Pope
Ernie Sims
Kamerion Wimbley
A.J. Nicholson
Lawrence Timmons
Buster Davis

[UMiamiBucFan]

I agree delt, the linebackers from FSU and Miami are by far the best in the league. I guess we just know how to grow linebackers here in Florida...

In comparing FSU and Miami defensive talent, I'd say that FSU has had the better defensive linemen (with the exception of Sapp and maybe Wilfork) while Miami has had the better DBs. I'd call linebacker a push.

Now if only either team could get a half decent QB...

[deltbucs]

I'd like to agree with you UM, but while FSU has a some solid players up front we have had quite our share of busts, too.
Andre Wadsworth being the biggest, of course. Then guys like Jamal Reynolds and probably consider Travis Johnson a bust at this point, although his career is still young.

[UMiamiBucFan]

I'd like to agree with you UM, but while FSU has a some solid players up front we have had quite our share of busts, too.
Andre Wadsworth being the biggest, of course. Then guys like Jamal Reynolds and probably consider Travis Johnson a bust at this point, although his career is still young.

Yeah, you're probably right. Dockett is pretty good, and I think Bunkley will be good. But other than that, there's not much. But I'd be happy with a defensive line of Dockett, Bunkley, Wimbley and Spires. The UM DEs have just been so awful though. That will change as soon as Calias Campbell comes out.

Its hard picking a defensive line U. NC State has had a bunch drafted recently (3 1st rounders last year and then Tank Tyler this year). However, none of them have really done anything yet.

[deltbucs]

You're right. I can't think of a single UM DE that has made any kind of impact in the NFL.

I'll add a couple guys to FSU's DL list....

Chauncey Davis has played decent in ATL
Corey Simon....I wonder if he is going to be back this year. I have to check up on him.

[fredglsu1982]

normally when people say "... U" it transcends generations

this guy is just trying to skew it so that he can list LSU, even though they really don't belong in any category

Kinda like OSU doesnt belong on the field with any top notch SEC team...I didnt even have to say that several floridia players said that after the game...

Anyways, since most of you have a hard time trying to figure out the point I was trying to get at since I didnt say it earlier here it is...

If you are a high school senior, Wr for instance, what a school has turned out in the last 5 years is gonna be a major factor in deciding where you wanna go. Does it matter that some of the guys are not getting playing time in the NFL? No because its a player by player basis. Its the team they are playing for to deal with. The bengals have Skyler Green sitting on the sidelines every week in plain clothes. Im sure they know just as well as everybody else that he could be one of the best return men in the NFL...but for their reasons he isnt on the field. Can you blame that on LSU? Fact is when your a High School player and you see that LSU has put 8 guys at Wr on NFL teams wouldnt that help your decision? I dunno just ask Early Doucet and Terrance Tolliver.

You guys really should get use to it, and if you dont like it then dont open my threads...But for the next 3 years atleast you might as well start calling LSU "1st round U"

[UMiamiBucFan]

You guys really should get use to it, and if you dont like it then dont open my threads...But for the next 3 years atleast you might as well start calling LSU "1st round U"

That sir, firmly belongs to UM. 13 straight drafts with a player in the first round, while also setting the league record for most first round picks. I'm not being a homer, that's just a fact.

[deltbucs]

The bengals have Skyler Green sitting on the sidelines every week in plain clothes. Im sure they know just as well as everybody else that he could be one of the best return men in the NFL...but for their reasons he isnt on the field.

What are their reasons?



You guys really should get use to it, and if you dont like it then dont open my threads...But for the next 3 years atleast you might as well start calling LSU "1st round U"

Holy homerfest!

[dawgland]

hmmmm, i wonder what cincinatti's reasons for not playing skyler green are?


I'm going to take a swing and say that its because he's yet to play a game for the bengals

this moron doesn't even realize that skyler green was on dallas last season and was rarely activated because he couldnt' catch a cold, and his return skills weren't good enough to use a roster slot on him

[fredglsu1982]

hmmmm, i wonder what cincinatti's reasons for not playing skyler green are?


I'm going to take a swing and say that its because he's yet to play a game for the bengals

this moron doesn't even realize that skyler green was on dallas last season and was rarely activated because he couldnt' catch a cold, and his return skills weren't good enough to use a roster slot on him

wow...too bad green got released halfway through the season and was picked up by the bengals LAST SEASON...so who is the moron???

[dawgland]

wow...too bad green got released halfway through the season and was picked up by the bengals LAST SEASON...so who is the moron???

well considering it wasn't half way through the season, green didn't get picked up by cincinnati until halfway through december


and seriously, you say "but for their reason, he isn't on the field"

if you get cut your rookie year, you're not that good

[fredglsu1982]

well considering it wasn't half way through the season, green didn't get picked up by cincinnati until halfway through december


and seriously, you say "but for their reason, he isn't on the field"

if you get cut your rookie year, you're not that good

dude give it up...you sit here thinking your mel kiper the 3rd and know everything about everything however time and time again you are wrong. You go based off of crap you read and see on NFL live not to mention your homer blinders. You sit here and call anybody that doesnt say anything about OSU a homer. Whatever dude...stop letting the media and "experts" cloud your thinking and come up with some rational thoughts yourself. Do i need to go pull up that Jamarcus Russell/Brady Quinn thread from over a year ago? I mean since you like going back the seldom times you are right to pull up threads on other people...

hmmmm....i think i might

[dawgland]

dude give it up...you sit here thinking your mel kiper the 3rd and know everything about everything however time and time again you are wrong. You go based off of crap you read and see on NFL live not to mention your homer blinders. You sit here and call anybody that doesnt say anything about OSU a homer. Whatever dude...stop letting the media and "experts" cloud your thinking and come up with some rational thoughts yourself. Do i need to go pull up that Jamarcus Russell/Brady Quinn thread from over a year ago? I mean since you like going back the seldom times you are right to pull up threads on other people...

hmmmm....i think i might
give what up?

are you stupid? you say for whatever reason the bengals didn't play him. the cowboys cut him and the bengals didn't play him, all in 1 year. it doesn't take an expert to tell you he sucks

and i'm not even a big OSU fan you idiot, so don't give me any crap that i'm an ohio state homer, because you ball-wash the living **** out of LSU, this thread for instance

I actually would love for you to try and prove this. I've said it before that there's a few of the guys on ohio state that i like because they're local boys for me. I would love for you to find me saying 1 good thing about a player on ohio state that isn't from the Cleveland area.

and the seldom times i'm right? actually sunshine, i'll point out the few times i've been wrong. I said troy smith was a 1st round prospect, and i said brady quinn would go before jamarcus russell

you really want to point out the other times i've been wrong?

[fredglsu1982]

give what up?

are you stupid? you say for whatever reason the bengals didn't play him. the cowboys cut him and the bengals didn't play him, all in 1 year. it doesn't take an expert to tell you he sucks

and i'm not even a big OSU fan you idiot, so don't give me any crap that i'm an ohio state homer, because you ball-wash the living **** out of LSU, this thread for instance

I actually would love for you to try and prove this. I've said it before that there's a few of the guys on ohio state that i like because they're local boys for me. I would love for you to find me saying 1 good thing about a player on ohio state that isn't from the Cleveland area.

and the seldom times i'm right? actually sunshine, i'll point out the few times i've been wrong. I said troy smith was a 1st round prospect, and i said brady quinn would go before jamarcus russell

you really want to point out the other times i've been wrong?

Dwayne Jarrett being the 3rd best WR in the draft ring a bell??? No team being able to keep up with OSU speed??? Those are just ones I remember off the top of my head...

[dawgland]

Dwayne Jarrett being the 3rd best WR in the draft ring a bell??? No team being able to keep up with OSU speed??? Those are just ones I remember off the top of my head...
dwayne jarrett will be the 3rd best WR

and when did i ever say no team has the speed to keep up with OSU? considering i've never once said OSU is a speed team. since your dumb, i'll tell you what i said, ohio state plays power style football but they have enough speed to play a combination of the two

[BucsBoy24]

That sir, firmly belongs to UM. 13 straight drafts with a player in the first round, while also setting the league record for most first round picks. I'm not being a homer, that's just a fact.

FSU is up there too, 4 players in the first round last year. One this year, LSU has a looong way to go...

[fredglsu1982]

If i was you i would just cancel my accounts with rivals.com espn insider scouts.com and whatever other useless crap you seem to get your wack *** scouting reports from that make you believe you actually know what the hell you are talking about...Do some scouting on your own. Dont always go off of Heisman Hopefuls (which is apparently what you do) and media darlings. Nothing you say holds any weight because you read this crap and then talk on it like you have seen every Jamarcus Russell play, when actually you might have seen 3 or 4 games in his whole career. (just to save you from getting confused I just threw Jamarcus name in there as an example). Lets get real...you dont break down video tape of all these players. You wouldnt know what to look for if it wasnt for idiots like Kiper putting it all over the web.

You say your not a homer because your not a fan of OSU but then go right out and say that you only pull for people from OHIO or whatever that nonsense you were talking about. Thats even more homeristic you jackass.

Im done talking to you...You are now officially banned from any of my threads until you come up with your own assessments. GOODBYE sunshine

[fredglsu1982]

That sir, firmly belongs to UM. 13 straight drafts with a player in the first round, while also setting the league record for most first round picks. I'm not being a homer, that's just a fact.

sorry...in this thread i have never meant it to be a long term theory since this afterall, is the NFL (not for long league) also known as the "What have you done for me lately league"...but I do agree that all time the U is the official "1st round U"

[dawgland]

actually if you ask anybody that pays attention to this board, i don't just go by what other people say, i almost strictly go by my own assessments of people. ask UMBF or ask MJW, they'll tell you everything i come up with is my own

and no you *******, its not that i'm a homer because i follow a few of the guys from Cleveland. None of my rankings have ever had any personal bias, which apparently yours do. I never gave teddy ginn or anthony gonzalez higher ratings because they were from around me. I followed these guys and i'll talk them up, but when i actually do rankings, i leave out any bias. so again you're talking out of your ***, and you never ever have any right to call anybody else a homer.

and i'm not allowed to post in your threads? yeah, god forbid somebody add logic to your threads because you sure as hell don't

[deltbucs]

I can't believe that you spent this much time arguing with someone this stupid, dawg.

[dawgland]

I can't believe that you spent this much time arguing with someone this stupid, dawg.

i know, its just funny to see this guy spout off about how "i just listen to what other people say" and **** like that

[deltbucs]

It's clear to him that Skyler Green is one of the best return men in the NFL, but no teams want to play him for some unknown reason.

That is enough for me to realize that the kid is a homer and very stupid.

[Hawxter19]

If i was you i would just cancel my accounts with rivals.com espn insider scouts.com and whatever other useless crap you seem to get your wack *** scouting reports from that make you believe you actually know what the hell you are talking about...Do some scouting on your own. Dont always go off of Heisman Hopefuls (which is apparently what you do) and media darlings. Nothing you say holds any weight because you read this crap and then talk on it like you have seen every Jamarcus Russell play, when actually you might have seen 3 or 4 games in his whole career. (just to save you from getting confused I just threw Jamarcus name in there as an example). Lets get real...you dont break down video tape of all these players. You wouldnt know what to look for if it wasnt for idiots like Kiper putting it all over the web.

You say your not a homer because your not a fan of OSU but then go right out and say that you only pull for people from OHIO or whatever that nonsense you were talking about. Thats even more homeristic you jackass.

Im done talking to you...You are now officially banned from any of my threads until you come up with your own assessments. GOODBYE sunshine

Maybe you should try those sites to get an idea of what other teams have, instead of just LSU.

You claim players from LSU to be the greatest out there, but which drafted in the past couple years is considered a 'franchise player'? (You cannot say JaMarcus or LaRon, because they have yet to play a down in the league.)

[fredglsu1982]

actually if you ask anybody that pays attention to this board, i don't just go by what other people say, i almost strictly go by my own assessments of people. ask UMBF or ask MJW, they'll tell you everything i come up with is my own

and no you *******, its not that i'm a homer because i follow a few of the guys from Cleveland. None of my rankings have ever had any personal bias, which apparently yours do. I never gave teddy ginn or anthony gonzalez higher ratings because they were from around me. I followed these guys and i'll talk them up, but when i actually do rankings, i leave out any bias. so again you're talking out of your ***, and you never ever have any right to call anybody else a homer.

and i'm not allowed to post in your threads? yeah, god forbid somebody add logic to your threads because you sure as hell don't

Yea an Im the one that makes homeristic comments like "jessie Daniels is the best safety ever from LSU, or Daniel Francis will be a shutdown corner in the NFL"...

No...im the one that months before the draft was talking about Craig Davis and how he would be the sleeper of this draft/marvin harrison of this draft/steal of the draft...etc...The guys I pick out and at the times I pick them out are not the media darlings that you pick out. Nobody was talking about russell when you and the rest of the nut huggers were Raving about smith and quinn. Bowe never got the attention that ginn and jarrett got, not to mention Davis never got half the attention Bowe got. Want me to go out on a limb again????

SAVE THIS ONE FOR NEXT YEAR...

LSU will once again have 4 1st round picks in the 2008 draft (barring injury). and since your the know all be all of college football and scouting then go ahead and tell me who you think im talking about (even though im sureeeee ill get quite the arguement about where they are gonna go in the draft, from you) since your so gifted at predicting that ****...

[deltbucs]

Wow....You are stupid.

[fredglsu1982]

It's clear to him that Skyler Green is one of the best return men in the NFL, but no teams want to play him for some unknown reason.

That is enough for me to realize that the kid is a homer and very stupid.

I think I said could be...of course nobody is gonna be the best if they dont get the opportunity...He didnt lead the nation in punt returns the 2003 season out of sheer luck...If im not mistaken, Micheal Lewis wasnt quite the pro bowl punt returner his 1st season...but that must mean he sucks too...

[fredglsu1982]

Wow....You are stupid.

yea i was stupid when i said jamarcus was a 1st round quarterback too

[deltbucs]

I'll try to help you one time. We're calling you a homer (only because you are) and you go on to tell us about how great LSU players are while trying to argue that you're not a homer. Get it?

[fredglsu1982]

I'll try to help you one time. We're calling you a homer (only because you are) and you go on to tell us about how great LSU players are while trying to argue that you're not a homer. Get it?

call me what you want...just be ready to eat crow

[fredglsu1982]

yall can call me crazy all you want...But this guy has all the makings to be a Dante Hall...all he needs is a chance in Cincy...look at the cuts he makes, his vision, acceleration and top speed. The kid has what it takes. So dawg just proved he knows nothing of what he speaks just because he didnt get on the field his 1st year.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utpEwGGlESA

[deltbucs]

http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/ADVG/535~Homer-Simpson-Posters.jpg

[fredglsu1982]

http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/ADVG/535~Homer-Simpson-Posters.jpg

http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l73/fredglsu1982/youre_homo.jpg

[deltbucs]

That ought to just about do it.

[Jakopo]

yall can call me crazy all you want...But this guy has all the makings to be a Dante Hall...all he needs is a chance in Cincy...look at the cuts he makes, his vision, acceleration and top speed. The kid has what it takes. So dawg just proved he knows nothing of what he speaks just because he didnt get on the field his 1st year.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utpEwGGlESA


As a resident of Dallas and someone who watches all their games (pre-season included), I can tell you that Green deserved to get cut from Dallas. He contributed absolutely nothing to the team. He couldn't even break into the 5 WR set that includes Patrick Crayton, Austin Miles and Sam Hurd. He stunk on both KR and PR, he couldn't hang onto the ball on PR.

Believe me, Jerry Jones really wanted to keep him on the team (for some reason he liked him) because they invested a decent draft pick on him. But fact of the matter is, when he can't beat out Miles or Hurd at WR or Patrick Crayton or Jamaica Rector as PR, I think it is safe to say he shouldn't be included in any potentially best in the league categories.

[fredglsu1982]

That ought to just about do it.

oh no?

[fredglsu1982]

As a resident of Dallas and someone who watches all their games (pre-season included), I can tell you that Green deserved to get cut from Dallas. He contributed absolutely nothing to the team. He couldn't even break into the 5 WR set that includes Patrick Crayton, Austin Miles and Sam Hurd. He stunk on both KR and PR, he couldn't hang onto the ball on PR.

Believe me, Jerry Jones really wanted to keep him on the team (for some reason he liked him) because they invested a decent draft pick on him. But fact of the matter is, when he can't beat out Miles or Hurd at WR or Patrick Crayton or Jamaica Rector as PR, I think it is safe to say he shouldn't be included in any potentially best in the league categories.

just wait and see is all we can do...I remember one pro bowler who had the same problems his 1st season

[BucsBoy24]

just wait and see is all we can do...I remember one pro bowler who had the same problems his 1st season

And who was that?

[fredglsu1982]

And who was that?

That would be michael lewis...I believe he too was cut by the saints then resigned (not sure on that one but I know he had big time fumble problems his 1st season...for a fact)

[deltbucs]

just wait and see is all we can do...I remember one pro bowler who had the same problems his 1st season

A LB that went undrafted, played in the CFL, and later went to the probowl. I guess we should just get undrafted LBs.

[BucsBoy24]

That would be michael lewis...I believe he too was cut by the saints then resigned (not sure on that one but I know he had big time fumble problems his 1st season...for a fact)

Are you talking about the 49ers Michael Lewis?

[fredglsu1982]

Are you talking about the 49ers Michael Lewis?

nah saints michael lewis

[cadillac willy]

RB - Saint Francis of the Blind

[BucsBoy24]

nah saints michael lewis

Oh okay, i didnt think the 49ers one was a return man...