Sorry USF fans...

[BlackHawk]

...but you couldn't really think you deserved that number 2 ranking did you???

[Pewterslimsme]

I said this in the game thread but I'll say it here too:

OK,

Here's the thing. These kids have put your school on the map. I've seen a LOT of cars driving around w/ USF flags and decals the past week or so where I haven't in the past. These kids should get a king's welcome at the airport as they may have affected this program moreso than you all realize. The recruiting in the future this will provide this school in the coming years could make USF a major MAJOR player in the NCAA in the very near future (it's not that hard to recruit to TAMPA...trust me....my coach has to recruit to Morgantown WV...yeesh). Ray Jay should STILL sell out for the next home games.

Everyone barked about the lack of respect this team was getting w/ their #2 ranking, we'll see how much respect this team continues to get from this community.

These kids have made you Bulls fans very proud and you should support these kids.

[BlackHawk]

I agree Poot...but the Bulls have a good team...not a top 10 team at this point...they got so much help by the collapse of top 10 teams this season it's not even funny...

[SuperFly]

I said this in the game thread but I'll say it here too:

OK,

Here's the thing. These kids have put your school on the map. I've seen a LOT of cars driving around w/ USF flags and decals the past week or so where I haven't in the past. These kids should get a king's welcome at the airport as they may have affected this program moreso than you all realize. The recruiting in the future this will provide this school in the coming years could make USF a major MAJOR player in the NCAA in the very near future (it's not that hard to recruit to TAMPA...trust me....my coach has to recruit to Morgantown WV...yeesh). Ray Jay should STILL sell out for the next home games.

Everyone barked about the lack of respect this team was getting w/ their #2 ranking, we'll see how much respect this team continues to get from this community.

These kids have made you Bulls fans very proud and you should support these kids.

Excellent post, Slim!

[Pewter Picaroon]

I'm happy. We'll still be ranked which is something new to USF. I don't like the talk of "deserving" of ranks - you can't argue with someone from another school, because their school always deserves more. Plus, no one will ever get out of the "tradition" mentality - where if you've had a team for more than 50yrs, you're grandfathered into football respect and rankings.

Go Bulls

[ballin buc fan1]

We couldn't have played the last 2 drives any worse. We get the ball in great field position both times and Grothe just needs to throw it away instead of getting sacked for a loss of 9. Our defense was giving us more than a fair enough chance, and why would you spike it Grothe. Its not like you had 20 seconds left..you had more than a minute..take your time. Im gonna get no rest tonight. Im still proud of them. just a hard lose to handle.go bulls.

[BlackHawk]

Before I get any more PM's...I'm going to say this again...the Bulls have a good team...not a top 10 team at this point...

Young team...talented team...but not the second best team in the country...by far...

USF has a lot to be proud of climbing from unknown to number 2...no matter how they got there...but reality sucks...we should all know that being Bucs fans...

[VickIsOverrated]

It bothers me that that push off at the end was called.

Wouldn't have been at home.

[BucFanInKC]

It bothers me that that push off at the end was called.

Wouldn't have been at home.

Calls went both ways.

The Knights caught the Bulls off guard with the trickeration. Not to mention the north and south running game.

[VickIsOverrated]

Calls went both ways.

The Knights caught the Bulls off guard with the trickeration. Not to mention the north and south running game.

Yeah, you're completely right. USF's defense didn't show up to play today.

But that last call was heart wrenching to see. I -know- it would have gone the other way at Ray Jay.

[MikeM_813]

I -know- it would have gone the other way at Ray Jay.

See last year's game. I'm already looking forward to next year's game.

[VickIsOverrated]

See last year's game. I'm already looking forward to next year's game.

I am too.

Gotta love the Bulls.

[SuperFly]

Yeah, you're completely right. USF's defense didn't show up to play today.


The ENTIRE team didn't show up to play.

[NinetySixSVT]

haha and so it begins

[Brandon_Bull]

The worst garbage was the called back TD. Cost USF the game.

[Pewter Picaroon]

Hope this makes for a heated rivalry between them. I know USF had talks of Miami and such, but these guys are in our conference and seem to have our number.

[gdawg4953]

The worst garbage was the called back TD. Cost USF the game.

Are you talking about the blocked punt? I don't know why everyone is whining about a play that was called correctly. It was so obvious that the guy tossed the ball forward.

[Buccaneer#24]

Are you talking about the blocked punt? I don't know why everyone is whining about a play that was called correctly. It was so obvious that the guy tossed the ball forward.

I don't know about that, watching the game in ESPNHD, I can't disagree with you more.

The 1st guy couldn't get a grip on the ball and it just shot forward the 2nd guy if you watch as he is running he has the ball in the hand. The ball slips out of his hand and while is other arm is in it's natural running motion (swinging from back to front). It hits his open hand shooting the ball forward.

I can see how people could have gotten this wrong... if you were watching it on this.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/1xtra/aceandvis/diary/media/tele.JPG

[Simms2Cl80n]

Just got back from the game. What an atmosphere. I was rooting for Rutgers. Hate to say it but I couldnt be a bandwagon USF fan.

[gdawg4953]

I don't know about that, watching the game in ESPNHD, I can't disagree with you more.

The 1st guy couldn't get a grip on the ball and it just shot forward the 2nd guy if you watch as he is running he has the ball in the hand. The ball slips out of his hand and while is other arm is in it's natural running motion (swinging from back to front). It hits his open hand shooting the ball forward.

I can see how people could have gotten this wrong... if you were watching it on this.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/1xtra/aceandvis/diary/media/tele.JPG


It's your homer glasses, not the tv. And I doubt that your tv is better than my new pioneer kuro hdtv.

[Buccaneer#24]

It's your homer glasses, not the tv. And I doubt that your tv is better than my new pioneer kuro hdtv.

Trust me. When it's replayed, watch it.

And if you can't see it, get some of these >>> :coolretro

[tampabayfan]

Sorry Bulls. I was rooting for you guys to go all the way. Next year--Next year!

[SN4]

I don't know about that, watching the game in ESPNHD, I can't disagree with you more.

The 1st guy couldn't get a grip on the ball and it just shot forward the 2nd guy if you watch as he is running he has the ball in the hand. The ball slips out of his hand and while is other arm is in it's natural running motion (swinging from back to front). It hits his open hand shooting the ball forward.

I can see how people could have gotten this wrong... if you were watching it on this.



Personally, I agree that the penalty was wrong. I don't think that USF batted the ball forward on purpose.

All in all, I think that the TD shouldn't have been scored though. I know there is a rule that only the fumbling player can advance a fumble on 4th down. I am not sure if this applies to a "returner" though. IF it does, the second USF player clearly had possession of the ball, and therefore would be the only player on USF able to advance the fumble.

IMO, since a different USF player picked up the ball, the ruling should have been.. NO penalty, USF possession at the spot of the fumble, no TD scored.

[skulldog06]

haha and so it begins

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[skulldog06]

The Sopranos paid off the refs. That was ****ty officiating.

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa74/Zaino1115/tony_soprano.jpg

I mean who really throws a penalty flag during the "actual" ruling on the field. I'm telling you, Gandolfini and his crew had the refs in their pockets.

[wdhitch]

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Priceless!!!!:urowned:

[bucwench]

I was watching the game at Buffalo Wild Wings last night, and it was more packed and louder than I have ever seen it. Here we are, an hour south of the school, and until this year, if you could have found one of their games on TV at all, no one would have even cared to watch it.

Their fan base has probably risen 150% since this season began, and their admissions are probably well on their way to those numbers, as well. They don't have to remain #2 to enjoy the advantages of national recognition.

[Ruger7mmmag]

Our boys played their hearts out, they really did. I knew from the beginning this was a TERRIBLE matchup for us as Ray Rice is the perfect storm for a defense like this. However, we should've killed Rutgers last night and much of that had to do with the **** poor game management I saw last night which has been consistent with Leavitt (my ONLY knock on the guy) from day one.

1. Special teams. That's all coaching and all he had to do at those points in the game was PLAY FOR THE FAKE! They were at midfield on an opening possession and they knew we could score on them. I WAS SCREAMING, "WATCH FOR THE FAKE!" I almost took a shotgun to my TV when it happened. The second one for the TD, again, WATCH FOR THE FAKE! It makes no difference if they get 3 points! 7? BIG DIFFERENCE!

2. A more subtle gross negligence occured on every 4th and 2 we were in around midfield and the FGs. We have possibly the WORST special teams crew in the country, but have one of the best scrambling QBs, our OLINE was opening up gashes for Matt at will and you know we CAN'T STOP RICE; YET WE DON'T GO FOR IT????? NOT EVEN ONCE???

You telling me we couldn't pick up at least half of those and probably result in one TD? That alone was the difference in the game. Why punt to net 30 yards when all you have to do is pick up two, keep the ball and possibly score?

The difference last night was the coaches. Schiano was doing everything to win and Leavitt was doing everything not too lose which is exactly how this team has played all year. Fortunately, we've had the bounces go our way to mask this game management.

3. RU is bring blitz after blitz, but we don't start any plays in those last three drives with Matt rolling out of the pocket? We know he can't throw the ball away, so why put him in that position of a huge sack? Get him on the move and let him have the option to run. He's not a pocket QB.

4. Defense. Yes Ray Rice is good and he owned us, but he could've been limited. Why did it take 2.5 quarters to stack the box? Our DBs showed they were more than capable of matching up one on one and Teel couldn't hit em in tight spaces. We shouldve been blitzing every down UNTIL they showed they could burn us. Nothing irked me more than seeing the defense put them in 3rd and 8/10/16 only to rush 4 (WHEN WE KNEW WE COULDN"T GET PRESSURE WITH 4/5) and give Teel all day to pick apart our zone.

I think Leavitt is a great guy and he's great at building a program, but last night showed his weakness. Everything above had nothing to do with the players and everything to do wtih coaching decisions. We had the better team last night and even despite the mistakes, we should've pounded Rutgers. Leavitt played not to lose and when you do that, all it takes is a bad call by a ref (we saw two) to decide it when it shouldn't have been close to begin with.

In closing, it's a young program and that includes the coach. Just like players have bad games, so do coaches, but I hope he learns from this experience and for now on even in games we're winning, to go for the juglar. To work on the 2 minute offense so when we need it, it's there. This is the stuff you do when you're blowing out other teams. Instead of killing clock, you WORK ON THE WEAK PART OF YOUR GAME!

I had us pegged as a 3 loss team this season due to our inexperience which we saw last night (Matt spiking it highlighted that fact); so I'm not down. Disappointed? Yes, but not down. We still have a shot to win the Big East and even if we don't win that, we can still shoot for a decent bowl game.

The good news is a Rutgers loss is bad, but not the deathnail. We'll still be in the top 25 after this which will give us a shot to work our way up with a few more wins as other teams will be taking losses 2 and 3. There's a very good chance if we win out, we can get back to the top ten bc those wins we had earlier still count.

I'm done mourning over the loss and I look forward to creaming Uconn next week to get back on our game!

PS--Just hear, Walter Walker, our stud 333lb SR RT, torn ACL< done for the year. That and losing TJ early (best WR) didn't make things any easier.

[Pewter Picaroon]

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[skulldog06]

Not to mention, Ruger, that Underwood kid was killing us on those underneath routes. We needed to adjust right away for those especially on 3rd down plays. It seemed we didn't.

[skulldog06]

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f176/rokitows/big_rock_hands.jpg

Elephantitis???

[Ruger7mmmag]

Not to mention, Ruger, that Underwood kid was killing us on those underneath routes. We needed to adjust right away for those especially on 3rd down plays. It seemed we didn't.

Take away **** poor tackling on that one play and he didn't do that much. You got to expect them to catch some balls, but that one was just unreal bad.

One thing this team has serious problems with is third down. What were we? 1/10 at one point?

That means we're playing with 2 downs basically and its like that almost every game. Once again though, sign of a young team. They have the talent to make big plays, but not the experience to sustain a series of proper execution.

I'm still excited about this team as I wasn't expecting us to be even this good until next year. Can't wait to see how good this team will be in 2008.

[nensey_zy]

They had a lot of trouble adjusting when they should have made short work of Mike Teel. There were a few plays that could have saved the game, for sure. I recall one play where Dontavia Bogan pretty much gave up on a route when he could have been pretty much wide open in the back of the endzone. Then that blocked FG was another missed chance.

[SN4]

Our boys played their hearts out, they really did. I knew from the beginning this was a TERRIBLE matchup for us as Ray Rice is the perfect storm for a defense like this. However, we should've killed Rutgers last night and much of that had to do with the **** poor game management I saw last night which has been consistent with Leavitt (my ONLY knock on the guy) from day one.

1. Special teams. That's all coaching and all he had to do at those points in the game was PLAY FOR THE FAKE! They were at midfield on an opening possession and they knew we could score on them. I WAS SCREAMING, "WATCH FOR THE FAKE!" I almost took a shotgun to my TV when it happened. The second one for the TD, again, WATCH FOR THE FAKE! It makes no difference if they get 3 points! 7? BIG DIFFERENCE!

2. A more subtle gross negligence occured on every 4th and 2 we were in around midfield and the FGs. We have possibly the WORST special teams crew in the country, but have one of the best scrambling QBs, our OLINE was opening up gashes for Matt at will and you know we CAN'T STOP RICE; YET WE DON'T GO FOR IT????? NOT EVEN ONCE???

You telling me we couldn't pick up at least half of those and probably result in one TD? That alone was the difference in the game. Why punt to net 30 yards when all you have to do is pick up two, keep the ball and possibly score?

The difference last night was the coaches. Schiano was doing everything to win and Leavitt was doing everything not too lose which is exactly how this team has played all year. Fortunately, we've had the bounces go our way to mask this game management.

3. RU is bring blitz after blitz, but we don't start any plays in those last three drives with Matt rolling out of the pocket? We know he can't throw the ball away, so why put him in that position of a huge sack? Get him on the move and let him have the option to run. He's not a pocket QB.

4. Defense. Yes Ray Rice is good and he owned us, but he could've been limited. Why did it take 2.5 quarters to stack the box? Our DBs showed they were more than capable of matching up one on one and Teel couldn't hit em in tight spaces. We shouldve been blitzing every down UNTIL they showed they could burn us. Nothing irked me more than seeing the defense put them in 3rd and 8/10/16 only to rush 4 (WHEN WE KNEW WE COULDN"T GET PRESSURE WITH 4/5) and give Teel all day to pick apart our zone.

I think Leavitt is a great guy and he's great at building a program, but last night showed his weakness. Everything above had nothing to do with the players and everything to do wtih coaching decisions. We had the better team last night and even despite the mistakes, we should've pounded Rutgers. Leavitt played not to lose and when you do that, all it takes is a bad call by a ref (we saw two) to decide it when it shouldn't have been close to begin with.

In closing, it's a young program and that includes the coach. Just like players have bad games, so do coaches, but I hope he learns from this experience and for now on even in games we're winning, to go for the juglar. To work on the 2 minute offense so when we need it, it's there. This is the stuff you do when you're blowing out other teams. Instead of killing clock, you WORK ON THE WEAK PART OF YOUR GAME!

I had us pegged as a 3 loss team this season due to our inexperience which we saw last night (Matt spiking it highlighted that fact); so I'm not down. Disappointed? Yes, but not down. We still have a shot to win the Big East and even if we don't win that, we can still shoot for a decent bowl game.

The good news is a Rutgers loss is bad, but not the deathnail. We'll still be in the top 25 after this which will give us a shot to work our way up with a few more wins as other teams will be taking losses 2 and 3. There's a very good chance if we win out, we can get back to the top ten bc those wins we had earlier still count.

I'm done mourning over the loss and I look forward to creaming Uconn next week to get back on our game!

PS--Just hear, Walter Walker, our stud 333lb SR RT, torn ACL< done for the year. That and losing TJ early (best WR) didn't make things any easier.

In regards to the fake FG that went for a TD. I thought that USF reacted pretty well to the fake. It was a good scramble to avoid the tackle, an ok pass, and a great catch over the head (looked like the ball left the TE's line of sight, which is a difficult pass to catch). I thought that USF played that one well, Rutgers just played it better on that play.

Ruger, you stated several times that USF has done all of this with 2 star or below recruits, and that USF is relatively young. Overall, I think that came out during the game last night. Granted, that was the first time this year that I have really been able to see a decent amount of a USF game (USF isn't on the tops of the television charts here in Atlanta). They are doing a great job I think with what they have, but you can definitely see their youth and inexperience in many areas... for instance.

1. Grothe: Decent runner. I laughed out loud when the announcer referred to him as the "poor man's Tebow". HOWEVER. I think he took USF out of FG position multiple times by running backwards to "make something happen". As a result, he turned a 5-7 yard sack into 8-12 yard sack, or more.. and that is if he just stood ground in the pocket. IF he were to scramble forward instead of backwards.... that 8-12+ yard sack becomes 4-6 yards. Which affects not only field position, but the next play call from there. Running backwards is generally not smart, and unfortunately for Grothe, it seems to have worked a couple of times in the past.

2. With all of the coverage that Selvie received, I was more impressed by the MLB (can't remember his name at the moment, Moffit maybe?). He played a good game IMO, especially in the first half.

All in all, I think you can see some of the pieces there, but I think that you can also see there is a long way to go.

That sucks about your RT. I hate to see players injured.

[skulldog06]

Take away **** poor tackling on that one play and he didn't do that much. You got to expect them to catch some balls, but that one was just unreal bad.

One thing this team has serious problems with is third down. What were we? 1/10 at one point?

That means we're playing with 2 downs basically and its like that almost every game. Once again though, sign of a young team. They have the talent to make big plays, but not the experience to sustain a series of proper execution.

I'm still excited about this team as I wasn't expecting us to be even this good until next year. Can't wait to see how good this team will be in 2008.

I was rather upset with Amarri Jackson dropping both of those 3rd down passes in which both would have resulted in a 1st down. Now, he did a hell of a job catching that pass at the end of the game. He did NOT interfere with the Rutgers CB on that one. That was a bull**** call. So, with that said, that was a great adjustment on his part to come back to the ball. Oh well, I guess.

[SN4]

I was rather upset with Amarri Jackson dropping both of those 3rd down passes in which both would have resulted in a 1st down. Now, he did a hell of a job catching that pass at the end of the game. He did NOT interfere with the Rutgers CB on that one. That was a bull**** call. So, with that said, that was a great adjustment on his part to come back to the ball. Oh well, I guess.

He did the cardinal sin of "extending his arms during a break on the ball." That will draw the offensive interference call 100% of the time, regardless if he pushed him or not. Hell, I think 1/2 of the Rutgers sideline saw it before the ref could even react to pull the flag out.

[Selmon63]

Just credit Ray Rice and move on. The Bulls deserve every ounce of credit they've gotten this year. So another one win team will get the chance to battle for a title, while the Bulls will drop unreasonably far in the rankings.

They made this Tampa native proud.

[Ruger7mmmag]

In regards to the fake FG that went for a TD. I thought that USF reacted pretty well to the fake. It was a good scramble to avoid the tackle, an ok pass, and a great catch over the head (looked like the ball left the TE's line of sight, which is a difficult pass to catch). I thought that USF played that one well, Rutgers just played it better on that play.

Ruger, you stated several times that USF has done all of this with 2 star or below recruits, and that USF is relatively young. Overall, I think that came out during the game last night. Granted, that was the first time this year that I have really been able to see a decent amount of a USF game (USF isn't on the tops of the television charts here in Atlanta). They are doing a great job I think with what they have, but you can definitely see their youth and inexperience in many areas... for instance.

1. Grothe: Decent runner. I laughed out loud when the announcer referred to him as the "poor man's Tebow". HOWEVER. I think he took USF out of FG position multiple times by running backwards to "make something happen". As a result, he turned a 5-7 yard sack into 8-12 yard sack, or more.. and that is if he just stood ground in the pocket. IF he were to scramble forward instead of backwards.... that 8-12+ yard sack becomes 4-6 yards. Which affects not only field position, but the next play call from there. Running backwards is generally not smart, and unfortunately for Grothe, it seems to have worked a couple of times in the past.

2. With all of the coverage that Selvie received, I was more impressed by the MLB (can't remember his name at the moment, Moffit maybe?). He played a good game IMO, especially in the first half.

All in all, I think you can see some of the pieces there, but I think that you can also see there is a long way to go.

That sucks about your RT. I hate to see players injured.

You're dead on SN4 and hence why I thought they'd lose 3 this year. Not bc they didn't have the talent, but bc they don't do the little things which matter in close games.

Like you said, Grothe's inexperience KILLS drives when he takes a 14 yard sack vs. throwing it away and living to play another down.

When he "gets that" which will happen as he's still only starting his first full season, he's going to be absolutely deadly as these deep sacks easily cost USF 2 possessions a game.

That's why I'm not terribly upset about a loss. I knew it was coming. Until the loss, USF deserved every bit of that ranking bc of the various wins and losses that have happened THIS SEASON. Rankings are based on what has happened, not what "should" happen. Win your games and you can't complain. We lost, so I expect to drop. Personally, a drop further than 12 would be insulting considering some of the stuff that happened in this game and it wasn't a Stanfordesque team we lost to. Rutgers had a Oline with 3 incredible SRs, a RB who is a top ten talent and it was an away game in which our top WR goes down early as well as our top RT. Not too mention some of the teams in that area of the polls have lost to far worse and lost worse.

But we'll see and no matter what, if they win out, they'll be back up there. All that matters is a good bowl game against a big name program for more exposure.

IF anything, that was a great recruiting tool last night. Despite the loss, more people learned about USF and saw that if they are a 5 star recruit, they could come in right away and play at many positions. Not even that, but if they are doing this with 2 and 3 star guys, imagine what they could be doing here in this system. Especially on defense. Seeing that USF will be sending a few guys to the NFL did alot as well to show big recruits, "Hey, if I go to USF, I can still get to the NFL".

That's been one of the biggest problems for USF in recruiting and after this year they won't be able to say that anymore when we have a first and second rounder.

Edit: Yes, you were thinking of Moffit. He's a beast. Commutes from 110 miles every day so he can be with his two young kids and wife he married right out of high school. He showed his speed when he ran down Rice. Not many LBs could've closed that gap and he's very adept at finding himself in the right place at the right time. I think he'll be playing on Sundays as well, but will be a late pick. Then again, he's starting to get some "award notice" which could push him up...

[Dyoung]

Are you talking about the blocked punt? I don't know why everyone is whining about a play that was called correctly. It was so obvious that the guy tossed the ball forward.

Blocked FG, not a punt. Secondly, you have to have POSSESSION to lateral the ball. SHOW me where he had possession...... Don't go with the second strip of the ball either. McKenzie had it stripped when a Knight knocked the ball out.

NCAA got its wish last night. They'll have a "Big Name" school on both sides of the ball to play for the NCG. You can't tell me if USF was a sexier name, or had a more familiar logo on their helmet that they would have not called that a TD.

Listen, we did enough to shoot ourselves in the foot. This I will stand on the box and scream all day long. However, you can't honestly sit there and tell me that IF that TD would have stood, that the game might not have finished differently. Up 24-10 towards the end of the first half with the Bulls getting the ball back in the second half..... Yeah, we might be having a different conversation today. GO BULLS!

[Ruger7mmmag]

Blocked FG, not a punt. Secondly, you have to have POSSESSION to lateral the ball. SHOW me where he had possession...... Don't go with the second strip of the ball either. McKenzie had it stripped when a Knight knocked the ball out.

NCAA got its wish last night. They'll have a "Big Name" school on both sides of the ball to play for the NCG. You can't tell me if USF was a sexier name, or had a more familiar logo on their helmet that they would have not called that a TD.

Listen, we did enough to shoot ourselves in the foot. This I will stand on the box and scream all day long. However, you can't honestly sit there and tell me that IF that TD would have stood, that the game might not have finished differently. Up 24-10 towards the end of the first half with the Bulls getting the ball back in the second half..... Yeah, we might be having a different conversation today. GO BULLS!

No doubt that was HUGE. If that TD stands (which it should've), USF was gaining HUGE momentum and would've been up two scores and come out totally jacked the second half vs. down after that big point swing. Not too mention the D could've loaded up in the box with two scores to gain to make Teel beat them. As it was, they had to play a little more conservative which played perfectly into their game plan. That was HUGE and I've watched that play multiple times and no where is there 100% evidence the call on the field (TD) should be overturned. The first guy was falling and his head was DOWN when his arms were going up and he tried to regrab the ball after he hit it. The second was switching the ball from one arm to the second and it was actually totally out at one point and it's not like he's going to be a graceful runner, he's on DEFENSE for crying out loud.

Totally blew that call.

But with all that being said, if USF plays their game, they still would've won. The bigger problem is not going for 4th downs where it's SHORT and you don't gain much by punting or going for a FG when you haven't hit many all year and also getting away from what worked the entire game when you know whats coming.

On that one play where Rutgers blitzed and Grothe hit Amarri on the quick slant for 8 yards, I thought we had finally seen the light. THen that was the end of it! We should've ran that play OVER and OVER and OVER again until they stopped blitzing. Not too mention we only ran TWO passes to RBs out of the backfield all night, one Grothe totally missed Ford being open, the second time it was deflected.

They showed they couldn't make tackles in the open field yet we don't do anything to get the ball out quick to space?

Bad game coaching right there.

[gdawg4953]

To all the whiners. You had the ball with a lot of time left with a gift fumble handed to them with a short field and only needed a field goal. Get over it. Your team choked.

[buc4evr]

The Sopranos paid off the refs. That was ****ty officiating.

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa74/Zaino1115/tony_soprano.jpg

I mean who really throws a penalty flag during the "actual" ruling on the field. I'm telling you, Gandolfini and his crew had the refs in their pockets.

:lol: Having lived in central Jersey, I can tell you there is a fix on everything. The folks that live in the bedroom communities don't see it and ignore it, but it's there. Was this game ? Who knows, but absolutely nothing surprises me in Jersey especially since the betting was so heavy. The bottom line is that late push off penalty was absolutely bogus....There were a number of non-calls like Grothe taking a shot to the head after he was on the carpet, a few WR's taking shots after they were down and of course the unsportsmanlike penalty call on the bulls first TD. Was the fumble TD good or not ? think a case could be made either way. There was a ton of holding on the Rutgers O-line that was never called....... but the bottom line is that the Bulls didn't do what they needed to do to win.

[SkinsSlayer]

Calls went both ways.

The Knights caught the Bulls off guard with the trickeration. Not to mention the north and south running game.

:lol: :lol:

[SkinsSlayer]

Blocked FG, not a punt. Secondly, you have to have POSSESSION to lateral the ball. SHOW me where he had possession...... Don't go with the second strip of the ball either. McKenzie had it stripped when a Knight knocked the ball out.

NCAA got its wish last night. They'll have a "Big Name" school on both sides of the ball to play for the NCG. You can't tell me if USF was a sexier name, or had a more familiar logo on their helmet that they would have not called that a TD.

Listen, we did enough to shoot ourselves in the foot. This I will stand on the box and scream all day long. However, you can't honestly sit there and tell me that IF that TD would have stood, that the game might not have finished differently. Up 24-10 towards the end of the first half with the Bulls getting the ball back in the second half..... Yeah, we might be having a different conversation today. GO BULLS!

Finally, someone with some damn sense.

[Pewter Picaroon]

I don't think you can advance the ball - that doesn't require possession. I don't recall the pentalty being a lateral pass, it was advancing the ball towards his own endzone.


And for the record I disagree with that call.

[SkinsSlayer]

I don't think you can advance the ball - that doesn't require possession. I don't recall the pentalty being a lateral pass, it was advancing the ball towards his own endzone.


And for the record I disagree with that call.

The call was an illegal forward pass.

[Pewter Picaroon]

Ah... nevermind then.

[Dyoung]

To all the whiners. You had the ball with a lot of time left with a gift fumble handed to them with a short field and only needed a field goal. Get over it. Your team choked.

Spoken like a true Ohio State fan......................

[Dyoung]

Finally, someone with some damn sense.

Thank you! If only we can get KDawg or whatever his name is, to take off his blinders and come to the realization that USF got screwed............ I'm not saying that is the entire reason why USF lost. The 7 sacks, and bad play calling along with the lack of adjustments did us in as well.

[Dyoung]

Bad game coaching....

We'll call this, "Hitting the nail on the head". :winkretro

[JSmalls]

I agree Poot...but the Bulls have a good team...not a top 10 team at this point...they got so much help by the collapse of top 10 teams this season it's not even funny...

Yeah, because there are 9 other teams primed to go up there and win on a short week Thursday night prime time.:rolleyes:

We all know that BC should beat VT but too bad for them is a road game on a Thursday Night.

FSU's first ACC loss was at Virginia on a Thursday night and there recent down fall started after a Thursday Night loss in Louisville.

Home teams win more than 80% of the time on Thursday night games which is a staggering stat.

One more thing, the fact that they were outplayed in the second half, got calls against them which cost them points and were in that type of environment and only lost by 3 shows what type of team they are.

USF's record over the last 11 years speaks for itself! And this year is the continued pouring of the foundation which is going to hold great things... Do you doubt this?

But to your point, they deserved the #2 ranking until the game clock hit 00:00!

JSmalls - (Thinks USF would have blown them out had that review been called right, due to the 24-10 score that would have been at the half)

[gdawg4953]

Spoken like a true Ohio State fan......................

Idiot. I'm the biggest Ohio State hater here. I didn't care who really won or lost. The fact is that USF choked at the end of the game when it mattered. I do think the push off should have been a no call, but the block was clearly forwarded. Get over your overrated team.

[skulldog06]

Idiot. I'm the biggest Ohio State hater here. I didn't care who really won or lost. The fact is that USF choked at the end of the game when it mattered. I do think the push off should have been a no call, but the block was clearly forwarded. Get over your overrated team.

Definitely a Ohio State fan.

[BlackHawk]

Yeah, because there are 9 other teams primed to go up there and win on a short week Thursday night prime time.:rolleyes:

Wow...USF fans around the world are now collectively because of what you just posted...

Are you really blaming this loss because of the night it was played on??? Really??? You can't seriously be that stupid...

[JSmalls]

Idiot. I'm the biggest Ohio State hater here. I didn't care who really won or lost. The fact is that USF choked at the end of the game when it mattered. I do think the push off should have been a no call, but the block was clearly forwarded. Get over your overrated team.

Yeah, because its easy to make an "illegally forward pass" less than a second after getting the ball stripped. It was a freak play that wound up benefiting the Bulls until the refs blew the call.

Do you disagree that the second guy(where they spotted the penalty) had the ball stripped? Or do you have another definition when an opposing team chops at the runners arm?

[gdawg4953]

Definitely a Ohio State fan.

lol. Go back to the posts I made about ripping Troy Smith and the joy of seeing Ohio State getting thrashed against Florida. Instead of crying about a call how about crying about your run defense. What a bunch of sore losers.

[JSmalls]

Wow...USF fans around the world are now collectively because of what you just posted...

Are you really blaming this loss because of the night it was played on??? Really??? You can't seriously be that stupid...

Its one of many factors! But its sure not as bad as losing to teams like Stanford or Auburn at home was the point...

Comprehension flew by you?

[skulldog06]

lol. Go back to the posts I made about ripping Troy Smith and the joy of seeing Ohio State getting thrashed against Florida. Instead of crying about a call how about crying about your run defense. What a bunch of sore losers.

Since I don't feel like looking through your posts, why not let us know who you root for in college football?

[Dyoung]

Idiot. I'm the biggest Ohio State hater here. I didn't care who really won or lost. The fact is that USF choked at the end of the game when it mattered. I do think the push off should have been a no call, but the block was clearly forwarded. Get over your overrated team.

Overrated team?! Hardly you putz. Who in God's name do you root for? BC? USC? Oregon? Or whoever is in the Top 5 this week? My team beat number #18 Auburn in AUBURN !!!! Then went on to beat number 5 WVU!!! Yet, we're overrated?! We put our record on the line on primetime last night!!! We're not afraid to schedule teams that'll challenge us. Can you say the same thing about your alma mater? We play our schedule- of which doesn't have Youngstown State, Akron or Northewestern like OSU. Good for you for not being a OSU fan by the way. A step in the right direction here.

Why can't you just admit that USF is a good team? Great? not yet. Good? Hell yes!!! Sports writers and TV analysts are afraid to speak out, because they're afraid that their already useless reputation will be thrown out. Speak out that you think that USF is an up and coming program. I mean, does South Florida scare people that much? People fear what they don't understand or choose not to see for what things really are.

[BlackHawk]

Its one of many factors! But its sure not as bad as losing to teams like Stanford or Auburn at home was the point...

Comprehension flew by you?
Reason fly by you???

The number 2 team in the country should be able to win against an unranked team on any night on any field...if you can't do that...you shouldn't be number 2...

[gdawg4953]

Overrated team?! Hardly you putz. Who in God's name do you root for? BC? USC? Oregon? Or whoever is in the Top 5 this week? My team beat number #18 Auburn in AUBURN !!!! Then went on to beat number 5 WVU!!! Yet, we're overrated?! We put our record on the line on primetime last night!!! We're not afraid to schedule teams that'll challenge us. Can you say the same thing about your alma mater? We play our schedule- of which doesn't have Youngstown State, Akron or Northewestern like OSU. Good for you for not being a OSU fan by the way. A step in the right direction here.

Why can't you just admit that USF is a good team? Great? not yet. Good? Hell yes!!! Sports writers and TV analysts are afraid to speak out, because they're afraid that their already useless reputation will be thrown out. Speak out that you think that USF is an up and coming program. I mean, does South Florida scare people that much? People fear what they don't understand or choose not to see for what things really are.

USF is good. Happy? I never said that they sucked, just overrated like every other team this year. There is no true powerhouse team this year. USF is a top 15 team, but not a top 5 team. I really didn't think USF's first loss was going to be Rutgers. I thought that UCONN was going to be their only loss. A lot of one loss teams will be *****ing when they get left out of the title game, but the fact is that they didn't run the table and taken care of their own business and USF had a lot of chances to win the game. They could've played better D and came through at the end when they had the short field after the turnover.

[BlackHawk]

We're not afraid to schedule teams that'll challenge us.

If that's the way you see things...you're the biggest homer here...

USF didn't schedule WVU or Auburn because it would "challenge" them...they did it because they needed to get on the map...in case you forgot...USF was unranked at the beginning of the season...they wanted to play big name teams so they could get their programs name out there...

I swear that #2 ranking went to everybodys head...had the top 10 not collapsed in record fashion multiple times...USF would not have been top 10 at all this season...

[Pewter Picaroon]

Reason fly by you???

The number 2 team in the country should be able to win against an unranked team on any night on any field...if you can't do that...you shouldn't be number 2...

I completely agree with you.

Overrated? I don't think so at the time. USF did the right things (win) at the right time (when the top 10 imploded). Now they're getting into the meat of their schedule (conference games) and they couldn't hang last night. Now we shouldn't be ranked #2. Period. Still a great team with a lot to learn and losses ahead. Number 2 in the country must win, win away, win at home on Thursday, Friday, Saturday, or Sunday. USF lost a game they had a chance to win which shows they're not deserving of such a high ranking. Win out the rest of the season, be ranked in or close to the top 10, win your conference, win your bowl game, come back next year and kick some ***.

[BlackHawk]

I completely agree with you.

Overrated? I don't think so at the time. USF did the right things (win) at the right time (when the top 10 imploded). Now they're getting into the meat of their schedule (conference games) and they couldn't hang last night. Now we shouldn't be ranked #2. Period. Still a great team with a lot to learn and losses ahead. Number 2 in the country must win, win away, win at home on Thursday, Friday, Saturday, or Sunday. USF lost a game they had a chance to win which shows they're not deserving of such a high ranking. Win out the rest of the season, be ranked in or close to the top 10, win your conference, win your bowl game, come back next year and kick some ***.
FINALLY!!! An unbiased USF fan post...

...sorry...but those are hard to come by recently...

[JSmalls]

Reason fly by you???

The number 2 team in the country should be able to win against an unranked team on any night on any field...if you can't do that...you shouldn't be number 2...

Your right, now! But your thread stated that prior to this game USF didn't deserve it. You can't use last nights game as an argument for USF's prior #2 ranking!

Did I think USF was the second best team in the nation? Not really, but with their body of work in the first 6 games hell yeah they DESERVED the #2 ranking!

Maybe you should have titled your thread, "You really didn't think USF was the second best team in the nation."

IMO, LSU is the best team with wins over USC, UF and VT.

You just need to pay your hater card is all!

[BlackHawk]

Did I think USF was the second best team in the nation? Not really, but with their body of work in the first 6 games hell yeah they DESERVED the #2 ranking!
They played the schedule given to them...but in any other year of college football they don't crack the top 10...12-15 yes...not top 10...

This thread was not directed towards the football team...it was directed to a select few USF fans who thought USF actually had a real shot of hanging with the top tier teams...

[Dyoung]

USF is good. Happy? I never said that they sucked, just overrated like every other team this year. There is no true powerhouse team this year. USF is a top 15 team, but not a top 5 team. I really didn't think USF's first loss was going to be Rutgers. I thought that UCONN was going to be their only loss. A lot of one loss teams will be *****ing when they get left out of the title game, but the fact is that they didn't run the table and taken care of their own business and USF had a lot of chances to win the game. They could've played better D and came through at the end when they had the short field after the turnover.

I totally agree with your post here man. Honestly, if you were to have asked me before the season started where I saw the Bulls, I would have said at best maybe #15. We won the games that we were supposed to and luck just had it that everyone above us kept losing.

I'm going to take this loss as two things-

1. A learning experience
2. The opportunity to having the U.S. exactly know where USF is- Tampa!

You know, in a way Losing to Rutgers may not be as bad as what most are making it out to be. I mean losing sucks, yes, however, I would have been really ****ED if we went 11-0, and got jumped by a 12-1 team.

Sorry for jumping down your throat hoss. Still a little ****ed about last nights game. BTW- I'm guessing you're a UF grad? Yes?

[JSmalls]

If that's the way you see things...you're the biggest homer here...

USF didn't schedule WVU or Auburn because it would "challenge" them...

Hmm, I thought they played WVU because they were in the Big East and they played Auburn because Auburn dumped games with UL because the Cardinals were getting better... I'm sure they regret that move now!

[Dyoung]

FINALLY!!! An unbiased USF fan post...

...sorry...but those are hard to come by recently...

C'mon bro. You can't tell me that you're not biased to your college team?

[gdawg4953]

FINALLY!!! An unbiased USF fan post...

...sorry...but those are hard to come by recently...

USF fans should be happy they got this far, but it looks like a lot of them got greedy. If anything, Cal fans should be crying the hardest about their loss. Now that is one game that they can say that one play cost them the game. USF didn't lose it on one play.

[BlackHawk]

C'mon bro. You can't tell me that you're not biased to your college team?
I actually go out of my way to stay unbiased as possible...but with LSU who really is the best team in college football...there isn't really anything else I need to say...

...but if you look at my posts towards the Bucs...you'll see exactly how unbiased I am...I try to be as realistic as possible...

[BlackHawk]

Hmm, I thought they played WVU because they were in the Big East and they played Auburn because Auburn dumped games with UL because the Cardinals were getting better... I'm sure they regret that move now!
You're right about WVU...but Auburn was glad to schedule an unranked team...and USF was glad to get in the spotlight if not for just that 1 game...

...now Auburn is devistated and USF is even happier...

[Dyoung]

I actually go out of my way to stay unbiased as possible...but with LSU who really is the best team in college football...there isn't really anything else I need to say...

...but if you look at my posts towards the Bucs...you'll see exactly how unbiased I am...I try to be as realistic as possible...

OK. LSU is a tough team, thatI think can still play for the NCG. If you were to ask me who would win bewtween LSU and USF? LSU. No doubt.

[Pewter Picaroon]

This loss just helped USF relax a bit for the rest of the season. Not so much a target anymore (by relax I don't mean slack off, I mean, the hype has died and now we can just go back to playing football and not focusing on ranks). I say we like I'm on the team, but I'm just speaking in my opinion as a fan. No idea what the team really thinks (even if they said in interviews that they weren't focusing on the ranks, yada, yada, bull crap)

[JSmalls]

They played the schedule given to them...but in any other year of college football they don't crack the top 10...12-15 yes...not top 10...

This thread was not directed towards the football team...it was directed to a select few USF fans who thought USF actually had a real shot of hanging with the top tier teams...


What would the spreads be if UF, LSU or OSU came down to Ray J? I think the spreads would represent the fact that USF could hang with any team THIS year.

I can only agree with your statement because they were unranked at the start of the season when we all know they should have been.

Now, lets say they started at #20, in any other year they would have most definitely moved to the top ten. Basically, your penalizing them for what the "Traditionalist" thought they were prior to the season.

[JSmalls]

You're right about WVU...but Auburn was glad to schedule an unranked team...and USF was glad to get in the spotlight if not for just that 1 game...

...now Auburn is devistated and USF is even happier...

The only reason we got that game was because Auburn was looking for a team after they dumped Louisville...

But hey, I've got to give them props because they could've scheduled Western Kentucky:rotf:

[Ruger7mmmag]

USF fans who thought USF actually had a real shot of hanging with the top tier teams...
:lol:
You really crack me up. Anyone, not a SEC homer would be laughing at this statement.

So now, bc they lost ONE GAME to a team by THREE points who has the guy who very well could win the Heismann Trophy ON THE ROAD against a good team (they were just outside the top 25 and could very well be in there after this win); now they suddenly CAN'T HANG WITH TOP TIER TEAMS?

Just who aren't they hanging with?

They've WON EVERY GAME but one in which they lost by 3 and played absolutely the worst they could.

They've shown they can hang with anyone and anyone who is not a homer realizes that USF is no automatic win. They've knocked off too many ranked teams teh last few years for anyone to reasonably defend that statement.

USF may not beat any team they'd play, but they wouldn't get blown out by ANYONE this year.

Gonna be funny when Auburn knocks off LSU this weekend...

[Ruger7mmmag]

The only reason we got that game was because Auburn was looking for a team after they dumped Louisville...

But hey, I've got to give them props because they could've scheduled Western Kentucky:rotf:

It's the same reason UGA refuses to schedule USF and FSU. It's not a game they'd be favored by 30+ points so they want no part of it. Miami inked their deal before this season or I suspect that wouldn't have happened either.

[JSmalls]

Gonna be funny when Auburn knocks off LSU this weekend...

LSU>God:rotf:

[JSmalls]

Hey Ruger, sorry to go OT but i just got a red label over/under... SS with carbon stock. Its so nice its boring... I never miss a clay with it!

[USFbucsfan]

...but you couldn't really think you deserved that number 2 ranking did you???


Well we certainly did deserve it when we were 6-0, there wasn't another team in the country with a more impressive season that far...

Now we will drop, but its not really that Big of a deal...the SOUTH (FL BULLS) WILL RISE AGAIN!

[BlackHawk]

there wasn't another team in the country with a more impressive season that far...

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[BuccaneerBonzai]

How many teams are left undefeated? 4? There is still a chance for the Bulls if each of them loses once...so long as the Bulls keep winning.

Season isn't over yet.

[BlackHawk]

How many teams are left undefeated? 4? There is still a chance for the Bulls if each of them loses once...so long as the Bulls keep winning.

Season isn't over yet.
You need a lot more help than that...you lost to an unranked team...UF will probably be ranked higher than you guys...especially since they are beating Kentucky...

[BillyBones]

I said this in the game thread but I'll say it here too:

OK,

Here's the thing. These kids have put your school on the map. I've seen a LOT of cars driving around w/ USF flags and decals the past week or so where I haven't in the past. These kids should get a king's welcome at the airport as they may have affected this program moreso than you all realize. The recruiting in the future this will provide this school in the coming years could make USF a major MAJOR player in the NCAA in the very near future (it's not that hard to recruit to TAMPA...trust me....my coach has to recruit to Morgantown WV...yeesh). Ray Jay should STILL sell out for the next home games.

Everyone barked about the lack of respect this team was getting w/ their #2 ranking, we'll see how much respect this team continues to get from this community.

These kids have made you Bulls fans very proud and you should support these kids.

In any other town? Yes. In Tampa Bay? Never happen. There's simply too many permanent tourists who could care or less about this community. USF was the flavor of the month and now its over.

[Hutchens72]

I will add its also nice getting all the Bulls game nationally televised! ;)

[Legacy]

I never said that they sucked, just overrated like every other team this year.
If no teams were ever overrated, it'd mean the pre-season polls are 100% correct. If that were true, there'd be no reason to watch college football.

You need a lot more help than that...you lost to an unranked team...UF will probably be ranked higher than you guys...especially since they are beating Kentucky...
:rolleyes:

[BucBackInTexas]

How many teams are left undefeated? 4? There is still a chance for the Bulls if each of them loses once...so long as the Bulls keep winning.

Season isn't over yet.I will never say never, but USF would need more than a miracle to get into the MNC game this year. Nobody wanted to see them at #2 when they were undefeated, and when you're in USF's position there are no mulligans.

[BlackHawk]

:rolleyes:

USF-10
UF-11

...I was damn close...a 2 loss team SEC team is better than a 1 loss Big East team...

[Ruger7mmmag]

USF-10
UF-11

...I was damn close...a 2 loss team SEC team is better than a 1 loss Big East team...

That couldn't have anything to do with 66% of the polls is decided by coaches who DON'T WATCH FOOTBALL GAMES! :rotf: The SEC is overrated. A few more years like this and it will be common knowledge just like when folks couldn't believe the ACC was slipping. People said, it could never happen with FSU, Miami, Virginia Tech etc...now look at them...The difference is, fans from the SEC scream louder and get more looks bc down in the south, football is LIFE bc they've got nothing else to cling to. If you've lived in an SEC town, you know what I'm sayin...

[BlackHawk]

The SEC is not overrated...it just isn't top heavy like every other conference in college football...

Outside of a select few schools in the SEC...every school competes...that's why everybody always says "if you can survive the SEC undefeated...you will win the national championship"...

...that is...unless you are an undefeated Auburn that got cheated!!! Cheated I tell you!!! :mad:

Sorry...that still bugs me...

[BucBackInTexas]

Exactly. I don't think anyone could say that the best SEC team is better than the best team from another conference every year, but it CAN be said that the #s 3, 4, 5, etc. teams from the SEC are most often better than their counterparts.

EDIT: consistently was a bad word to use, the 9-4 BCS record speaks for itself.

[tampabayfan]

SEC is overrated? Ruger you keep saying it but then the Big east gets beat like little kids in the big bowl games. You keep saying SEC is overrated, SEC is overrated, but have presented no evidence to back up your opinion. The only person I see posting nonsense around here is you. You want to go around claiming other posters are being biased, but you are the most biased poster I've seen and your school hasnt won crap. How about win a big bowl game then come back and talk about how overrated the SEC is.

[BlackHawk]

Ruger you keep saying it but then the Big east gets beat like little kids in the big bowl games.

How dare you muddy this debate with facts:mad:

[TBayNoll]

SEC is overrated? Ruger you keep saying it but then the Big east gets beat like little kids in the big bowl games. You keep saying SEC is overrated, SEC is overrated, but have presented no evidence to back up your opinion. The only person I see posting nonsense around here is you. You want to go around claiming other posters are being biased, but you are the most biased poster I've seen and your school hasnt won crap. How about win a big bowl game then come back and talk about how overrated the SEC is.

The whole my division is better then your division argument is ridiculous in the first place. Who really cares? That and a nickle will get you five cents. Head to head games are the only way to truly tell which conference is "stronger". I am not a SEC or Big East lover but so far this year, the Big East (USF) has won the only ranked head to head matchup. The ranked matchups are really the only games that matter. The Big East was 5 - 0 in bowl games last year, so they are at least winning the games against other division teams, regardless of how good those teams are.

[NinetySixSVT]

I can see how a Big East fan would claim the SEC is overrated with powerhouses such as Louisville, Connecticut, South Florida, West Virgina and Rutgers. Say those names back to back and the first thing that comes to mind is "middle of the pack".

I love how USF fans forget they got ranked so high because they beat a highly overrated (like every year) West Virginia.

[BlackHawk]

The whole my division is better then your division argument is ridiculous in the first place. Who really cares?

The voters...

...any more questions???

[Ruger7mmmag]

How dare you muddy this debate with facts:mad:

Fact is, the landscape of college football is changing. The era of the SEC, like that of the other conferences in their hey day or even looking at the ND program, run in cycles and this is the beginning of a downturn.

Once you begin seeing some of these 105 year old writers croak and bring in new blood who actually can keep up with more games, they'll see teams for teams and not as " x conference teams" and immediately assign them higher weight. When programs like VANDY and Ole Miss and Miss State are beating the top teams in the conference and even when losing are playing the top teams very close, that's not bc those teams are good. It's bc the top teams are coming back to the pack.

WVU rolled up a 31-0 lead in the first quarter and a half this weekend against Miss State, something no one in the SEC has been able to do. A team USF SHUT down if you remember correctly.

All the evidence does more to point to the SEC following the trend THE ENTIRE COUNTRY IS EXPERIENCING (and we already saw in the NFL) than the status quo.

Once again, I expect not many to see it bc their emotions won't let them. Same way folks fought the earth isn't flat change......

[BlackHawk]

WVU rolled up a 31-0 lead in the first quarter and a half this weekend against Miss State, something no one in the SEC has been able to do. A team USF SHUT down if you remember correctly.

There you go with that reasoning again...keep using that as an argument and see where it gets you...

...and are we talking about the same Mississippi State team that LSU ran over 45-0??? The same team that's only mustered 1 SEC win??? ...against the same team USF beat???

Mississippi State is an SEC bottom feeder...they beat the same crap Auburn team USF did...no running back and a QB who enjoyed throwing it to the other team...

[TBayNoll]

The voters...

...any more questions???


So, the voters care how "strong' your conference is? I guess that is why Boston College is ranked #2 and VA Tech is #8. Two teams in the top 8. I guess the ACC is the "strongest" conference around. :) Yea, that's the ticket.

...any more questions???

[BlackHawk]

So, the voters care how "strong' your conference is? I guess that is why Boston College is ranked #2 and VA Tech is #8. Two teams in the top 8. I guess the ACC is the "strongest" conference around. :) Yea, that's the ticket.

BC is one of the only undefeateds left...and Tech's only loss has been to the 2nd ranked team in the country...and they've blown out pretty much everybody else they've played...

When BC loses they'll free fall...and Tech is hanging around but they don't have any real shot at winning it all...

Like I said earlier...the SEC isn't top heavy like the ACC is...

[NinetySixSVT]

So, the voters care how "strong' your conference is? I guess that is why Boston College is ranked #2 and VA Tech is #8. Two teams in the top 8. I guess the ACC is the "strongest" conference around. :) Yea, that's the ticket.

...any more questions???

What don't you clowns understand about the "Strongest" conference having the best teams TOP TO BOTTOM

[TBayNoll]

What don't you clowns understand about the "Strongest" conference having the best teams TOP TO BOTTOM

Who cares how Syracuse, Pittsburg, Vandy, Ole Miss, Miss St are doing.? They are irrelevant to the big picture. You are actually going to care about how one crappy team compares to another. If that is what you need to do to classify your team as strong, then go ahead.

[NinetySixSVT]

Who cares how Syracuse, Pittsburg, Vandy, Ole Miss, Miss St are doing.? They are irrelevant to the big picture. You are actually going to care about how one crappy team compares to another. If that is what you need to do to classify your team as strong, then go ahead.

I don't see how you can judge how the hardest conference is based on top team(s). That's as stupid as saying the AFC East is the hardest division in the NFL because of the Patriots...even though the Dolphins, Jets, and Bills all suck.

The SEC is the "strongest" conference simply because their middle and low end teams are harder than anybody else...in other words...it's harder to win the SEC than any other conference.

[TBayNoll]

What don't you clowns understand about the "Strongest" conference having the best teams TOP TO BOTTOM

There is also a big difference that needs to be taken into consideration and that is the fact that the Big East has 8 teams and the SEC has 12. You really can't have a true comparison here. You have a better chance at comparing the SEC to the ACC, which I beleive the head to head is 1 -1.

The way I look at it is your strong teams are in the top 10 in the BCS poll. The SEC has 1, the ACC has 2 and the Big East has 2. BC plays VA tech, so one of those will fall. LSU has a creamcake schedule except for Alabama, so they should go undefeated. UF will lose one or 2 more games, so they will fall even further back. My bet is that the Big East is going to have two ranked pretty high.

Again, like I said, this argument is fruitless in the first place. I will stop and let the kids continue with their bickering.

[NinetySixSVT]

There is also a big difference that needs to be taken into consideration and that is the fact that the Big East has 8 teams and the SEC has 12. You really can't have a true comparison here. You have a better chance at comparing the SEC to the ACC, which I beleive the head to head is 1 -1.

The way I look at it is your strong teams are in the top 10 in the BCS poll. The SEC has 1, the ACC has 2 and the Big East has 2. BC plays VA tech, so one of those will fall. LSU has a creamcake schedule except for Alabama, so they should go undefeated. UF will lose one or 2 more games, so they will fall even further back. My bet is that the Big East is going to have two ranked pretty high.

Again, like I said, this argument is fruitless in the first place. I will stop and let the kids continue with their bickering.

I've already addressed why your reasoning is flawed. Do you think the AFC East is the hardest division in the NFL?

[BlackHawk]

There is also a big difference that needs to be taken into consideration and that is the fact that the Big East has 8 teams and the SEC has 12. You really can't have a true comparison here. You have a better chance at comparing the SEC to the ACC, which I beleive the head to head is 1 -1.

The way I look at it is your strong teams are in the top 10 in the BCS poll. The SEC has 1, the ACC has 2 and the Big East has 2. BC plays VA tech, so one of those will fall. LSU has a creamcake schedule except for Alabama, so they should go undefeated. UF will lose one or 2 more games, so they will fall even further back. My bet is that the Big East is going to have two ranked pretty high.

Again, like I said, this argument is fruitless in the first place. I will stop and let the kids continue with their bickering.
That post right there shows you have no idea that the **** you are talking about...

...but feel free to ramble with more nonsense if you wish...it's entertaining at least...

[BlackHawk]

*cough*

[BucBackInTexas]

Don't rub salt in the wound. They know how wrong they were.

[LongwoodBucsFan]

what was the final score? The only thing i heard was they got killed

[LJ BuCz 27]

It was a nice ride.

[Dyoung]

2 weeks ago we were at number 2 in the nation. Tonight, we'll be LUCKY to stay in the top 20! If Leavitt keeps that damn PK after this game, he needs to have his (Leavitt) job under a microscope. But that's not the only thing that needs to be re-evaluated-

How in the hell can you call a QB roll on 3rd and goal?!?!? Why didn't he have a couple of WR's out in the flat. Spread the defense out and then run the RB up the middle or have Groethe run it up the gut? Any coach that can at least coach at a HS level knows that you DON'T run the QB out when you stack the offense to the middle, knowing the defense is going to do the same! What a STUPID play call.

Well, USF can kiss the Big East Championship goodbye. In just 2 weeks time, we've lost National Championship and Big East Champion hopes. The game against WVU and Auburn suddenly means ****......... Leavitt should take full blame on this. BOTH weeks the team is NOT READY to play. You CANNOT win games on the road when your down 16-0 at the half, and CONTINUE to have special teams problems! Hey Leavitt- Get your **** together or we'll find someone to do it for you! :mad: :mad: :mad:

[Pewterslimsme]

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[Dyoung]

Although we've played like **** these past 2 weeks, I'm still proud to fly mine!

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[rokallnite13]

Mississippi State is an SEC bottom feeder

Hmmm...so if a "bottom feeder" team blows out the team that beat the conference's "best" team...maybe the SEC isn't as good as we thought? And by we, I mean you...

When will SEC homers wake up and smell the coffee...you conference is good...maybe the best, but no one single team in you league is drastically better then any other league...and don't give me the "if only we played in the X Conference"...who gives a ****? You don't...so deal with it...

[USFbucsfan]

Hmmm...so if a "bottom feeder" team blows out the team that beat the conference's "best" team...maybe the SEC isn't as good as we thought? And by we, I mean you...

When will SEC homers wake up and smell the coffee...you conference is good...maybe the best, but no one single team in you league is drastically better then any other league...and don't give me the "if only we played in the X Conference"...who gives a ****? You don't...so deal with it...

agree 100%

[BlackHawk]

so if a "bottom feeder" team blows out the team that beat the conference's "best" team...

There's that "A beat B and B beat C" reasoning again...gotta love it...

Like I have already said...the SEC is not top heavy...all team compete in inter conference games...that's why most people say that if you can survive the SEC undefeated...you should be playing for the national championship...

Can you deny that??? If an SEC team goes undefeated...they are more than good enough to go to the national championship correct??? What other conference can say that??? Big East teams can go undefeated and get snubbed...Big 10...Big 12...Pac 10...none of them would get an automatic bid if they went undefeated unless they were already ranked #1...

Had LSU gone undefeated...and Ohio State and BC went undefeated...who would be playing in the national championship??? ...exactly...