Question about this WR.

[TB-owns-ATL]

I read a mock draft that is projecting us to draft a WR, and I was just wondering what people may know about him, how is his hands, and how would people feel about drafting him in the first round?


This is the website that have us drafting him.http://walterfootball.com/draft2008.php




Here is the WR.


DeSean Jackson*, California (9/30)
Height: 6-0. Weight: 178.
40 Time: 4.32.
Projected Round: Top 15 Pick.
DeSean Jackson snapped out of his early-season slump, catching 11 passes for 160 yards and two touchdowns in an upset at Oregon.

Compared to Santana Moss. Returned four punts for touchdowns in 2006. There's talk that Jackson may run a 4.2, which would put him into the top five. He's the same size as Ted Ginn, and could be even faster. Jackson recorded 59 receptions, 1,060 yards and nine scores last year.

[BucFan LHT]

I doubt he goes top 5, but i would love to have him in a bucs uni next year.

[TomatoVSC]

He's a perfect replacement for Joey Galloway. I haven't seen too much of him this year but what I did, I was impressed. The only problem is that he didn't seem to run great routes and didn't have too many routes in the middle of the field(probably shies from contact). If he's available at our pick I say pull the trigger.

[BucfanPA]

I want Mario Manningham

[TampaBay012286]

we HAVE to draft him if he is available when we pick, thats how good he is... there is plenty of teams that could take him long before us though (buffalo, philly, minnesota, dallas with their first pick, etc.) so it would be great to see him still there in the mid to late 20s & i would be all for him becoming a buc :D

[Nina27Bucs]

Go to youtube and look up DeSean Jackson and just watch and be amazed. you'll see how good of a player he is, it shows how good his hands are, his kr ability, and all that. he's a b.a. !!! lol


enjoy!! you'll want us to draft him after you watch some of his highlight videos. lol

[BucsBoy24]

Drop the link Ninja

[TB-owns-ATL]

Your right nina27, I do want us to draft him. It would be like us having Joey Galloway all over again, except he wont be 35!

[NoAlibi]

ted ginn...but the WR version

[TampaBay012286]

ted ginn...but the WR version

ive never seen them side by side, but i think he is more closely comparable to joey galloway, not ginn

[Buccaneer21]

I doubt he's there when we pick, but on the plus side Mario Manningham should be. He's taller then Jackson and is also very fast. He should be there and I think is just as good if not more complete because of the size difference and route running ability.

[palmbeachpirate]

Makes Nate Longshore look like Brett Favre in that vid.

[maryjanewatson]

Love D-Jax. Love him. The kind of receiver we've lacked FOREVER.

[TampaBay012286]

I doubt he's there when we pick, but on the plus side Mario Manningham should be. He's taller then Jackson and is also very fast. He should be there and I think is just as good if not more complete because of the size difference and route running ability.

actually, jackson & manningham r both 6 feet tall, manningham outweighs jackson by like 7 pounds, but jackson runs his 40 at around 4.30 whereas manningham is only at 4.45-4.50... point being, jackson is a better prospect, hands down & we should take him in a hurry if he is on the board... manningham could still go early round 2 but jackson should be a top 20 pick

[KG21MVP]

I want Mario Manningham

ditto!

he'll be a much better wide receiver in the NFL than desean jackson will be. jackson's more along the lines of dante hallish. quick, nice moves, but not a solid WR.

we need to get a receiver with some speed who can go deep to take galloway's place and i think one of the top wr's overall in the draft is manningham.

[TeeBeeFan]

Unfortunately, you'll probably have to wait until the 2009 draft for Manningham. He announced that he intends to return to Michigan for his senior year because he wants to graduate.

[KG21MVP]

crap...after watching galloway give up on everyone today, i was excited bout thinkin we could get manningham, who is more than just a deep threat. oh well.

[nysbucsfan585]

Taj Smith From Syracuse the guy is a big playmaker and shows alot of heart on the field, he looks like he would be a good leader. and he would be a steal if we could get him

[DeadEagle]

Unfortunately, you'll probably have to wait until the 2009 draft for Manningham. He announced that he intends to return to Michigan for his senior year because he wants to graduate.

Really?

I can't find anything on it. Is it breaking news?

[BlackHawk]

Taj Smith From Syracuse the guy is a big playmaker and shows alot of heart on the field, he looks like he would be a good leader. and he would be a steal if we could get him
Nah...I watch SU football...he's not even worth a look...

...this coming from the guy that called the Tanard Jackson pick...trust me...he's not a diamond in the rough...

[nysbucsfan585]

I saw most of there games he is not polished by any means but if you could get him in 7th round i think it would be a good situational guy. I think he would be a good guy to try and develop. Good speed and Acceleration, and he can change the game in an instant. if he would be available in thelater rounds it may be something to look into.

[BlackHawk]

He's a practice squad at best WR...maybe bring him up to play special teams...that's about it...

[dawgland]

actually, jackson & manningham r both 6 feet tall, manningham outweighs jackson by like 7 pounds, but jackson runs his 40 at around 4.30 whereas manningham is only at 4.45-4.50... point being, jackson is a better prospect, hands down & we should take him in a hurry if he is on the board... manningham could still go early round 2 but jackson should be a top 20 pick

so him running a faster time means he's a better WR?

it doesn't matter that manningham is more of a possession WR, who is quick, a la marvin harrison type WR.

Manningham has the better hands and runs the cleaner routes, jackson runs the faster time

[Legacy]

Unfortunately, you'll probably have to wait until the 2009 draft for Manningham. He announced that he intends to return to Michigan for his senior year because he wants to graduate.
I just heard this on ESPN, as well. No story on their site yet, though.

[mtlbuc]

So he's the next Ted Ginn/Troy Williamson? No thanks.

[UsfRob83]

Taj Smith From Syracuse the guy is a big playmaker and shows alot of heart on the field, he looks like he would be a good leader. and he would be a steal if we could get him

I only really see Syracuse play when they go up against USF but all I have to say is........Who???

[BlackHawk]

I only really see Syracuse play when they go up against USF but all I have to say is........Who???
He's not anybody you need to be worried about...trust me...some people think that speed=playmaking ability...it doesn't...

[real bucs fan]

D-Jax or bust.

Well not really, but I've wanted us to get a wide out the last 2 drafts as well in CJ and Santonio Holmes.

Biggest need, perfect fit. I don't see how we could pass on this guy, though i am worried he won't be there when we pick. Hopefully he runs a 4.5 at the combine...

[TampaBay012286]

so him running a faster time means he's a better WR?

it doesn't matter that manningham is more of a possession WR, who is quick, a la marvin harrison type WR.

Manningham has the better hands and runs the cleaner routes, jackson runs the faster time

i would take a randy moss type over a marvin harisson type any day of the week, just seems that speed is the biggest intangible, and ultimately leads to better success in this league... yes i know harisson & manning r like the best duo ever, but i hate recievers that dont have the speed to consistently burn DBs play after play, just a matter of personal opinion... randy moss, joey galloway, santana moss, steve smith, chad johnson, andre johnson, calvin johnson, etc., those r the types of recievers that most often can help score ur team points, which ultimately will lead to wins & championships

[dawgland]

i would take a randy moss type over a marvin harisson type any day of the week, just seems that speed is the biggest intangible, and ultimately leads to better success in this league... yes i know harisson & manning r like the best duo ever, but i hate recievers that dont have the speed to consistently burn DBs play after play, just a matter of personal opinion... randy moss, joey galloway, santana moss, steve smith, chad johnson, andre johnson, calvin johnson, etc., those r the types of recievers that most often can help score ur team points, which ultimately will lead to wins & championships

randy moss, joey galloway, santana moss, steve smith, chad johnson, andre johnson, calvin johnson


i believe that marvin harrison has more superbowl rings than all of the guys you listed combined

its not about speed in the NFL. Its about smarts and quickness. Thats why Harrison, whose not even exactly slow, and guys like jerry rice have been so good in the NFL, reggie wayne too, who the only reason santana moss was drafted higher was because he ran a better 40 time.

marvin harrison is dominant due to the fact that he runs probably the cleanest routes out of any NFL WR. And when he changes directions, one step and he's at his fastest speed already. and he's sure handed.

sure desean jackson has the 40 time, but manningham is the better WR

[dawgland]

not to mention in the west coast you generally want more possession type WRs, considering the offense is based around a 3 step drop and throw, it generally doesn't give you the time to air it out.

you want a guy that can get open quickly and make the catch and try to run afterwards, again, jerry rice is probably the best WR to play in the WCO

[BlackHawk]

I agree with the argument your making dawg...but I don't think Manningham is the best example you can use...I've seen him drop waaaaaaay too many easy passes for no reason at all...

If I had a choice with our pick in the 1st round between the 2...I'd take Jackson...he can return kicks and punts and has more potential at wideout than Manningham...

[Acacius]

not to mention in the west coast you generally want more possession type WRs, considering the offense is based around a 3 step drop and throw, it generally doesn't give you the time to air it out.

you want a guy that can get open quickly and make the catch and try to run afterwards, again, jerry rice is probably the best WR to play in the WCO

True, and like I like to point out to people here, the Bucs won a Superbowl with a receiving corps of KJ, McCardell and JJ, none of whom were burners. Now, that's not to say that you want slugs, but I'd take a McCardell clone on this team in a heartbeat.

That said, I don't know how huge a fan of Manningham I am based on his own merits. I also wouldn't be horrified if the team drafted Desean Jackson, although I WOULD be praying he'd turn out to be more Steve Smith and less Jaquez Green.

[dawgland]

I agree with the argument your making dawg...but I don't think Manningham is the best example you can use...I've seen him drop waaaaaaay too many easy passes for no reason at all...

If I had a choice with our pick in the 1st round between the 2...I'd take Jackson...he can return kicks and punts and has more potential at wideout than Manningham...

manningham is a smaller braylon edwards, I'm calling it right now.

the kid can make every catch that is hard, but needs to work on the concentration issue.

runs smooth routes, creates seperation in short routes, and has a good set of hands

the dropped passes need some work, but the kid can play. and thats coming from a kid who hates michigan

[BlackHawk]

manningham is a smaller braylon edwards, I'm calling it right now.

the kid can make every catch that is hard, but needs to work on the concentration issue.

runs smooth routes, creates seperation in short routes, and has a good set of hands

the dropped passes need some work, but the kid can play. and thats coming from a kid who hates michigan
I don't know if he warrents that type of hype...Edwards was a top 5 pick coming out...Manningham could slip to the second round...everybody knows of Edwards big play ability...which was much better than Manningham...the only similarity between the 2 is the dropping of easy passes...

...he may turn out to be a good wideout...but for some reason I just don't think he'll produce like Jackson will in the long run...

[TampaBay012286]

randy moss, joey galloway, santana moss, steve smith, chad johnson, andre johnson, calvin johnson


i believe that marvin harrison has more superbowl rings than all of the guys you listed combined

its not about speed in the NFL. Its about smarts and quickness. Thats why Harrison, whose not even exactly slow, and guys like jerry rice have been so good in the NFL, reggie wayne too, who the only reason santana moss was drafted higher was because he ran a better 40 time.

marvin harrison is dominant due to the fact that he runs probably the cleanest routes out of any NFL WR. And when he changes directions, one step and he's at his fastest speed already. and he's sure handed.

sure desean jackson has the 40 time, but manningham is the better WR

manningham & jackson r just 2 completely different styles, thats all... i prefer jacksons style of reciever

[TampaBay012286]

not to mention in the west coast you generally want more possession type WRs, considering the offense is based around a 3 step drop and throw, it generally doesn't give you the time to air it out.

you want a guy that can get open quickly and make the catch and try to run afterwards, again, jerry rice is probably the best WR to play in the WCO

maybe its time we get away from the WCO & start airing it out downfield then... i LOVED that we implemented the shotgun this year, it will open up the offense for us in years to come, we just now need to go out and get the right players to help make it happen

[dawgland]

I don't know if he warrents that type of hype...Edwards was a top 5 pick coming out...Manningham could slip to the second round...everybody knows of Edwards big play ability...which was much better than Manningham...the only similarity between the 2 is the dropping of easy passes...

...he may turn out to be a good wideout...but for some reason I just don't think he'll produce like Jackson will in the long run...

i dont know, i'm just not high on desean jackson.

he's not much better as a WR than ted ginn jr was, doesn't have the ceiling that teddy had, and isn't as good of a returner as him.

I'm now even doubting his WR talents, being better than teddy. Desean Jackson did not do much to spark the cal. offense this year

kid didn't top 800 yards, didn't hit 70 receptions, didn't even lead the team in any receiving stat except tied for most reception TDs. He wasn't even the focal point of the Cal. offense this year.

on the other hand, last year, ted ginn jr lead his team in receptions, yards, and TDs, and got his team to the NC game

I dont' like using stats as my arguement, but outside terrell brown and antoine cason, there isn't a good corner in the pac 10, yet desean couldn't do much of anything.

I just don't think desean will be a big game WR in the NFL

[TampaBay012286]

i dont know, i'm just not high on desean jackson.

he's not much better as a WR than ted ginn jr was, doesn't have the ceiling that teddy had, and isn't as good of a returner as him.

I'm now even doubting his WR talents, being better than teddy. Desean Jackson did not do much to spark the cal. offense this year

kid didn't top 800 yards, didn't hit 70 receptions, didn't even lead the team in any receiving stat except tied for most reception TDs. He wasn't even the focal point of the Cal. offense this year.

on the other hand, last year, ted ginn jr lead his team in receptions, yards, and TDs, and got his team to the NC game

I dont' like using stats as my arguement, but outside terrell brown and antoine cason, there isn't a good corner in the pac 10, yet desean couldn't do much of anything.

I just don't think desean will be a big game WR in the NFL

desean jackson is to ted ginn as calvin johnson is to ike hilliard... theres just no comparisson, he is just plain better

[dawgland]

desean jackson is to ted ginn as calvin johnson is to ike hilliard... theres just no comparisson, he is just plain better

not really

first of all, desean jackson will not go in the top 8, so ted will actually have gone higher in his class.

second of all, nobody is going to pass on a huge position of need to take desean jackson, a la miami.


Also, I'd love to hear your explanation as to why desean jackson is better, I really would

[Acacius]

desean jackson is to ted ginn as calvin johnson is to ike hilliard... theres just no comparisson, he is just plain better

Ginn gets something of a bad rap because of where he was drafted. I'd see nothing particularly extraordinary about someone preferring him over Jackson.

[TampaBay012286]

Ginn gets something of a bad rap because of where he was drafted. I'd see nothing particularly extraordinary about someone preferring him over Jackson.

i prefer jackson over ginn though

[dawgland]

i prefer jackson over ginn though

but you've never said why there's no comparison as to why jackson is better than ginn, i'm waiting....

[Acacius]

i prefer jackson over ginn though

And that's fine. I suspect you may be getting caught up a bit in the pre-draft hype, but hey, it takes all sorts.

But your CJ-Hillard comparison is just silly.

[dawgland]

And that's fine. I suspect you may be getting caught up a bit in the pre-draft hype, but hey, it takes all sorts.

But your CJ-Hillard comparison is just silly.

I think its along the mold of "boo ohio state, yay beer"

[NoAlibi]

desean is a better returner for one thing....and is much more of a complete WR than Ginn ever will be..

[maryjanewatson]

desean is a better returner for one thing....and is much more of a complete WR than Ginn ever will be..

Quoted for truth. Ginn will always be a returner first and a receiver second. His ceiling at receiver is that of a glorified Shawn Jefferson. Jackson, on the other hand, could be another Santana Moss, or even Steve Smith.

[dawgland]

desean is a better returner for one thing....and is much more of a complete WR than Ginn ever will be..

desean jackson is not a better returner than ted ginn jr.

and a much more complete WR?? that complete WR couldn't even lead his team in receptions or yards

sorry desean got exposed this year, he's not as good as the hype he had coming in.

[dawgland]

Quoted for truth. Ginn will always be a returner first and a receiver second. His ceiling at receiver is that of a glorified Shawn Jefferson. Jackson, on the other hand, could be another Santana Moss, or even Steve Smith.

i agree with most things you say but highly disagree with this comment.

Desean Jackson is still living off some of the hype from his past seasons, but couldn't do that much this year.

notice when the real talent left cal last year, jackson's numbers declined?

jackson was having success because Marshawn Lynch was the focus of the Cal Offense. Forsett takes over, and although he's a good back, nowhere near as dangerous as lynch, so teams actually pay more attention to jackson, and he gets shut down.

Steve Smith is able to get open despite being the focus of the panther offense, jackson wasn't despite being the focus of Cal's offense.

I'm actually going to go ahead and say Ted Ginn Jr. will be closer to steve smith than jackson will. Teddy was the focus of the buckeye offense last year, and notice how he was still able to get open, lead his team in receptions, yards, and TDs

[maryjanewatson]

desean jackson is not a better returner than ted ginn jr.

and a much more complete WR?? that complete WR couldn't even lead his team in receptions or yards

sorry desean got exposed this year, he's not as good as the hype he had coming in.

It WAS a down year for Jackson, who probably slipped from Top Ten to Top Twenty Five because of it.

But he's still a better pro receiving prospect than Ginn coming out. Even Cam Cameron described Ginn as a returner at the introductory press conference. Jackson will be starting for someone at receiver by October of his rookie year.

[BlackHawk]

i agree with most things you say but highly disagree with this comment.

Desean Jackson is still living off some of the hype from his past seasons, but couldn't do that much this year.

notice when the real talent left cal last year, jackson's numbers declined?

jackson was having success because Marshawn Lynch was the focus of the Cal Offense. Forsett takes over, and although he's a good back, nowhere near as dangerous as lynch, so teams actually pay more attention to jackson, and he gets shut down.

Steve Smith is able to get open despite being the focus of the panther offense, jackson wasn't despite being the focus of Cal's offense.

I'm actually going to go ahead and say Ted Ginn Jr. will be closer to steve smith than jackson will. Teddy was the focus of the buckeye offense last year, and notice how he was still able to get open, lead his team in receptions, yards, and TDs
Give Jackson a Heisman QB and he would probably be a better WR...just sayin...

[dawgland]

It WAS a down year for Jackson, who probably slipped from Top Ten to Top Twenty Five because of it.

But he's still a better pro receiving prospect than Ginn coming out. Even Cam Cameron described Ginn as a returner at the introductory press conference. Jackson will be starting for someone at receiver by October of his rookie year.

he slipped because teams backed off the run stopping because lynch was gone, and actually focused on covering him.

he's a burner, doesn't run clean routes, hands are average at best.

Jackson didn't have a down year, he was exposed. He's a returner who happens to play WR. He's no better a prospect than ted ginn jr.

and what does cam cameron know, he doesn't even have a job right now, he went 1-15

[DeadEagle]

But he's still a better pro receiving prospect than Ginn coming out.



Which really isn't saying much.

Other than his blazing speed, he's rather ordinary.

[dawgland]

Give Jackson a Heisman QB and he would probably be a better WR...just sayin...

well according to noalibi, troy smith sucks

so that excuse kind of waves bye bye?

and wait, isn't that the system that is pass happy and can make QBs look better than they appear? this is the same system that produced kyle boller and aaron rodgers. I mean shouldn't the system make longshore appear to be good to?

good WRs find ways to make things happen, calvin johnson made reggie ball look good

[TampaBay012286]

well according to noalibi, troy smith sucks

so that excuse kind of waves bye bye?

and wait, isn't that the system that is pass happy and can make QBs look better than they appear? this is the same system that produced kyle boller and aaron rodgers. I mean shouldn't the system make longshore appear to be good to?

good WRs find ways to make things happen, calvin johnson made reggie ball look good

the system hasnt exactly been great for QBs turning pro, but longshore flat out sucks anyway, the only reason people know him is cuz of all the tallent around him (desean jackson, the RB forsett, etc.)... in a way, its kinda like the miami hurricanes when ken dorsey was the QB there... he wasnt the reason they won the national championship even though he usually put up good stats

[TeeBeeFan]

Really?

I can't find anything on it. Is it breaking news?

No link to give you about Manningham's return, just heard it reported on ESPN yesterday that he announced his intent to return to Michigan next season. Considering everything, it's probably a wise decision if true. In the 2008 draft, he is at best projected as a late 1st rounder. With another year at Michigan, with improvement, he would improve his position in the draft. Thus, make more money in the short-run, and prepare for long-term success and life after the NFL with a college degree.

[DeadEagle]

No link to give you about Manningham's return, just heard it reported on ESPN yesterday that he announced his intent to return to Michigan next season. Considering everything, it's probably a wise decision if true. In the 2008 draft, he is at best projected as a late 1st rounder. With another year at Michigan, with improvement, he would improve his position in the draft. Thus, make more money in the short-run, and prepare for long-term success and life after the NFL with a college degree.

Oh... no disputing that, and good for him.

[Corsair]

How does everyone feel about Limas Sweed?

[TampaBay012286]

How does everyone feel about Limas Sweed?

ive never seen him play, but from what i hear, he is a big, strong, somewhat slow posession reciever maybe like TO or someone like that, but i dont know for sure, maurice stovall is also like that i think, so i dont really think sweed would be a fit with the bucs if what i hear on him is accurate

[dawgland]

the system hasnt exactly been great for QBs turning pro, but longshore flat out sucks anyway, the only reason people know him is cuz of all the tallent around him (desean jackson, the RB forsett, etc.)... in a way, its kinda like the miami hurricanes when ken dorsey was the QB there... he wasnt the reason they won the national championship even though he usually put up good stats

and you've yet to state why you believe desean jackson is a better prospect than ted ginn jr.



i'm beginning to notice you're sitting here trying to talk about players, but continue to mention you haven't seen top players.

don't you think it makes it pretty hard to rank players, if you haven't seen them?

i mean damn, I'm really under the impression the only time you've seen ted ginn jr. was the national championship game

[The Future]

How is Jackson faster than Ginn Jr?

[dawgland]

How is Jackson faster than Ginn Jr?

because he is, I'll give him the speed factor, but we're talking like 4.30 compared to 4.34

[TampaBay012286]

because he is, I'll give him the speed factor, but we're talking like 4.30 compared to 4.34

ive never heard exactly what either runs, but jackson is still the more complete player

[dawgland]

ive never heard exactly what either runs, but jackson is still the more complete player

how?

you've yet to say why

somehow you keep avoiding that

[TampaBay012286]

how?

you've yet to say why

somehow you keep avoiding that

i dunno if theres really 1 thing that stands out about him over ginn, except for the fact that he just preforms at a higher level in all phases... returning, recieving, etc. & i could say his route running is better too, but honestly i dont think that means anything since anyone can run from point A to point B... ive never been able to watch him in an actual game unfortunately, but have seen countless highlights & really like what i see

[PF4]

What is so great about D. Jackson? I know he is fast, but he really did not do to much this year to help his stock.

[TampaBay012286]

What is so great about D. Jackson? I know he is fast, but he really did not do to much this year to help his stock.

he is just a solid all around prospect, watch him at the combine if u get the chance since it will be the last time to see him preform before the draft

[PF4]

he is just a solid all around prospect, watch him at the combine if u get the chance since it will be the last time to see him preform before the draft

When is the combine? I know he is very fast, but to tell you the truth he had a way better year last year then he did this year, at least as a return guy. I don't think he was that productive as a WR, espically since he plays in a high passing offense. He kind of didn't show up when they needed him. He has great talent, no doubt, but he is very skinny and will be lit up the first time he goes over the middle. Then again I thought the same thing about Randy Moss when he came out excpet Moss is like 6'4

[Acacius]

i could say his route running is better too, but honestly i dont think that means anything since anyone can run from point A to point B...

*boggle*

I mean, really. Just ... wow.

[TampaBay012286]

When is the combine? I know he is very fast, but to tell you the truth he had a way better year last year then he did this year, at least as a return guy. I don't think he was that productive as a WR, espically since he plays in a high passing offense. He kind of didn't show up when they needed him. He has great talent, no doubt, but he is very skinny and will be lit up the first time he goes over the middle. Then again I thought the same thing about Randy Moss when he came out excpet Moss is like 6'4

i know he did have a subpar season compared to last year, but he is mostly a speed reciever u send upfield to get yards, not 1 that will go across the middle for a 5 yard gain every time... so i hope if we do draft him that we use him to stretch the field and score some points instead of just being conservative and going 3 and out 10 times a game lol... im not sure when the combine is to be honest but if i remember correct from last year, its a few weeks after the pro bowl

[BucsBoy24]

i dunno if theres really 1 thing that stands out about him over ginn, except for the fact that he just preforms at a higher level in all phases... returning, recieving, etc. & i could say his route running is better too, but honestly i dont think that means anything since anyone can run from point A to point B... ive never been able to watch him in an actual game unfortunately, but have seen countless highlights & really like what i see

Hmm wow.. You lose

[BlackHawk]

i dunno
That is painfully obvious...
ive never been able to watch him in an actual game

Dude...just admit it...you don't know anything about the kid except he's fast and you want him...you don't really know how good or bad he is and you'll never know...you are just arguing for the sake of arguing at this point...just stop...

[TampaBay012286]

That is painfully obvious...


Dude...just admit it...you don't know anything about the kid except he's fast and you want him...you don't really know how good or bad he is and you'll never know...you are just arguing for the sake of arguing at this point...just stop...

yea i want him on the bucs, not gonna hide it

[Corsair]

yea i want him on the bucs, not gonna hide it

whooooooooosh

[JamesWilder32]

so him running a faster time means he's a better WR?

it doesn't matter that manningham is more of a possession WR, who is quick, a la marvin harrison type WR.

Manningham has the better hands and runs the cleaner routes, jackson runs the faster time

Except Jackson has yet to run a 4.3 in front of anybody AND he supposedly is 6'0 tall. This guy will fall far short of both marks when he gets to the combine. He is little and he plays little, he was shutdown for the most part this year and outshined by his less talented teammate. His routes are poor and he is not nearly as big or fast as he claims to be.

[JamesWilder32]

When is the combine? I know he is very fast, but to tell you the truth he had a way better year last year then he did this year, at least as a return guy. I don't think he was that productive as a WR, espically since he plays in a high passing offense. He kind of didn't show up when they needed him. He has great talent, no doubt, but he is very skinny and will be lit up the first time he goes over the middle. Then again I thought the same thing about Randy Moss when he came out excpet Moss is like 6'4

Combine is mid to late February. Desean Jackson reminds me of Freddie Mitchell.

[BlackHawk]

yea i want him on the bucs, not gonna hide it
I don't give a **** what you want...the fact remains you have no idea what you're talking about...about anybody...ever...yet you still run around talking out your ***...

You're an idiot...

[benchwarmer]

[QUOTE=TB-owns-ATL;3041235]I read a mock draft that is projecting us to draft a WR, and I was just wondering what people may know about him, how is his hands, and how would people feel about drafting him in the first round?

KOOL pick.. but, i don't think he will get here. Problem is, there are like, what 15-17 teams ahead of the bucs. If he honestly is that good then miami needs him (lost chambers), so they need a fill up at that position. its true that the bucs are in SERIOUS wr troubles. Galloway may retire at any givin moment, THEN i guess ike is going to be the new superstar? get real right? so yeah, if avalable they may get him, but i don't see him getting that far in the draft.

I have only one trouble with him. he's short at 6' we need a 6'5+ guy to operate the corners. not saying he woudn't be good, just that for our team he's not that great of a fit. also, what is his temperment? No T.O.'s here thank you!