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I'm an 0-26 Survivor

01-08-2008, 08:24 PM

As has been the case the last 30 years....I will renew. Probably.

But I am not a happy camper.

As a dear friend, and a few others have told me, and I feel the same....There is a major disconnect between the fan base (the original fanbase) and the organization.

The newbies don't see it, the nuthuggers don't see it, and the mouth breathers don't see it.

But those of us who helped birth this team, nurture this team, supported it during the life-support years, exhilarated during 2003-2003, saw deja-vu all over again afterwards, and to the present, see the change.

Actually, we feel it, more than see it.

We voted (twice) for the Community Investment Tax (with and without the stadium). We went through the threats of sale and leaving for other cities.
We went through Culverhouse, the caretaker group, the threat of Peter Angelos, and then the current owners.

We not only passed a tax to build the stadium, but then went out and added an extra $25 million dollars in seat deposits to make the rich richer, no return given. Now we may have to do it again.

Our ticket prices increased and average of 30% from the time we moved from Tampa Stadium/Sombrero/Houligan's (I know) to Raymond James. They have increased yearly ever since.

We went from having a new ownership group that had an active interest in the feelings of the fans, to a "let them eat cake" attitude.

The only constant throughout all this is the love that the players have for the community, and vice-versa.

And the fan attitude in and out the stadium sucks more every year.

There's a lot more, but the more I write, the more ****ed off I get.

Some of you know what I'm talking about.

The rest can pound sand.

Selmon63

01-08-2008, 08:36 PM

And the fan attitude in and out the stadium sucks more every year.

Why do you think that is, and what do you mean specifically?

Buc_na

01-08-2008, 08:51 PM

Why do you think that is, and what do you mean specifically?

Like I have said many a times here, games have become more of a social event as opposed to a sporting event.

Most people are there to show off and hook up, more people drink and therefore act even more immature.

People walk through aisles while the game is live and always arrive after the kickoff.

The list is endless, Ray Jay is nice, don't get me wrong, but I am so over people lobbying for beads and free goodies all game and it absolutely drives me crazy (no offense to those of you that enjoy the beads) but seriously Gasparilla is just around the corner.

It is almost like an amusement park, believe it or not, I miss the atmosphere of the Sombrero, not the benches and rubbing thighs just the atmosphere.

Selmon63

01-08-2008, 08:58 PM

I see.

I haven't been able to see them play (in Tampa) since '98, and I was so excited just to be there, I didn't really have time to concentate on much other than the game. It was all such a blast - I hadn't been to Tampa Stadium since it was called Tampa Stadium, so it was quite a shock to see the new digs.

I just can't imagine taking a professional football game for granted and wasting time screwing around with anything else while the game is being played.

ThePaperChamp

01-08-2008, 09:43 PM

I just can't imagine taking a professional football game for granted and wasting time screwing around with anything else while the game is being played.

You would be amazed. People constantly in and out of their seats, looking for friends, getting beads, etc. It really is frustrating.

The worst for me is we are always surrounded by people that know NOTHING about football or the Bucs. Right behind us on Sunday a "Bucs fan" was talking about his favorite former Buc, Brian Sapp, and his 26 years in the league. :confused:

That 1981 draft of BRIAN Sapp was something special...

deltbucs

01-08-2008, 09:56 PM

Like I have said many a times here, games have become more of a social event as opposed to a sporting event.

Most people are there to show off and hook up, more people drink and therefore act even more immature.

People walk through aisles while the game is live and always arrive after the kickoff.

The list is endless, Ray Jay is nice, don't get me wrong, but I am so over people lobbying for beads and free goodies all game and it absolutely drives me crazy (no offense to those of you that enjoy the beads) but seriously Gasparilla is just around the corner.

It is almost like an amusement park, believe it or not, I miss the atmosphere of the Sombrero, not the benches and rubbing thighs just the atmosphere.
^^^^^

I've said it once, I'll say it again.....I haven't been to a game at any other stadium with worse fans than Ray Jay. The freaking Orlando Predators have a better fan base that understands, enjoys, and contributes to the game more. I was at the Jags/Titans game the first week of the season. Was on my feet most of the game, along with the rest of Jacksonville Municipal Stadium.

CodeRed

01-08-2008, 10:32 PM

^^^^^

I've said it once, I'll say it again.....I haven't been to a game at any other stadium with worse fans than Ray Jay. The freaking Orlando Predators have a better fan base that understands, enjoys, and contributes to the game more. I was at the Jags/Titans game the first week of the season. Was on my feet most of the game, along with the rest of Jacksonville Municipal Stadium.

You mean, the same stadium where they tarp over sections to make it look like a sellout?

deltbucs

01-08-2008, 11:05 PM

You mean, the same stadium where they tarp over sections to make it look like a sellout?

Yep....That one. And even with the seats covered up it still holds more than Ray Jay. Sounds like you're one of the ladies that thinks that watching a football game is like going to the opera. Please stay at home in the future. Thanks.

bandit68

01-09-2008, 09:43 AM

I will not be renewing my season tickets this year. The value is just not there anymore. Ticket prices have doubled, concessions have gone up and portions are smaller, no more private tailgate lots, parking increases, etc., etc., but the final kick in the teeth is that seat deposit.

I will still go to some games just will not be a season ticket holder anymore. The value of the season ticket is just not there anymore. If I do not renew I do not have to pay full price for meaningless pre-season or put down a seat deposit. There are other places where I can spend my entertainment dollar and get a better value.

We are in the top 10 in ticket prices in the NFL. http://ravens.d3corp.com/content_docs/2007FCIspreadsheet.xls The bucs have done a poor job at adding value for the stadium experience, year after year I pay more and more but still get the same product.

Crocaneers

01-09-2008, 09:55 AM

Great post Bandit .. and good information (validation) on the ticket prices.

Here is the other sadness ... we are not the worse on the Seat Deposit. I do not have complete research, so I am not sure how many teams ask for one (and if one of the younger studs with time have time, it would be good to post here).

Carolina has a PSL .. one time only seat deposit .. that ranges from $1000 to .... 20,000. That's right .. TWENTY THOUSAND. Worse, they are seats in the 30's and ... that is where I am in RJS. You have 18 months to pay it.. and I cannot even come close to even thinking about paying that ..

They are not really comparable because life and 10 years is very different, but at least we are looking at a 55% return in the next few months.

So as bad as it is ... it could be worse. If Bucs owners initiate a PSL, watch 'em leave

BucsFanJim

01-09-2008, 10:34 AM

Great posts in this thread.

Problem is....it will never be the same as it was. The old stadium's aluminum benches were brutal. They were either too hot (read *** branding hot) or too cold.

There weren't enough bathrooms...some of the ladies on this board could probably attest to that.

Yes, to some extent there were some fans between the 35's that didn't get as vocal as others...but for the most part they were older, more reserved and half cocked on Manhattans and Whiskey Sours to stand on their feet for long. But they showed up every Sunday. I'm certain that many have since passed.

But ya know... as much as it was UN-comfortable in Tampa Stadium...it held alot of memories. There were friends there that I haven't seen since the new stadium was built.

They were football friends.

Only saw them 8 or 9 times a year.

They were rough cut, blue collar, grillin burgers on a $10 hibachi, football throwing, sun weathered, live and die with the Bucs, "hey, at least the tailgate party was good"..."Go Bucs!" kinda people.

They were football friends.

Those were friends... that are now nothing more than ghosts that inhabit the parking lot where Tampa Stadium stood. We walk past them every game day... on our way to the Picaroon's Paradise... we don't see them...but they are there in their tube socks, trucker hats, Throw Mckay in the Bay Shirts, (gulp) Zubaz pants...ready to stand and yell for their Bucs.

The football friends that remain on these Ray Jay Sunday afternoons... are fewer and sit farther away.

I finally realized that this past Sunday.

Go Bucs.

Go Bucs.

Crocaneers

01-09-2008, 10:38 AM

..... (gulp) Zubaz pants...

Go Bucs.

SO help me .. if the pictures come out .. I will deny it ...

Also the reason I quit drinking ;)

rbobby1

01-09-2008, 04:25 PM

Actually, being a season ticket holder, my 12th year, the Buc fans around me are as bad or worse as some of the visiting fans. Many of them arrived after the initial seat deposit and there are differente faces from game to game. It tells me they are there for the event not the game. I like watching and cheering the game.

Let's begin with F bombs, fights and middle fingers with kids all around. It goes on and on. It is a sports entertainment event.

I understand fan dedication and commitment but I will choose not to attend any more games or renew my tickets.

I can and will support the team, read these boards, buy merchandise, etc., but it is not worth the aggravation and money to go to the stadium as much as I have loved it.

My seats will free up next year and I will request my deposit back. This has nothing to do with jumping off any bandwagon. It does not make me any less of a fan to watch the team from a digital TV or sports bar.

To the fan that gets the tickets please enjoy them. There are some great people around you who for their own and I am sure personal reasons will or will not renew. It is their choice and I respect that.

I did purchase the playoff package as part of my support for the team and my entertainment, one advantage to owning a season ticket account, however, the cons of being in a crowd of some, but certainly not all, unruly and drunk people has no appeal for me regardless of the circumstance or the event IMHO.

Go Bucs and see you on FOXX.

Heretoplay

01-09-2008, 11:05 PM

Tickets are getting epensive, and it is very easy to get single game tickets, for better seats than our season tickets--often for below face value. We are still considering if we will keep our season tickets.

Cardiac Kids

01-10-2008, 01:38 AM

Anyone who wants to renew and sell the season to someone, pm me.

BucsFanJim

01-10-2008, 07:10 AM

Anyone who wants to renew and sell the season to someone, pm me.

I'll add you to the list of those interested in my tickets (http://bbs.buccaneers.com/showthread.php?t=153976).

SuperFly

01-10-2008, 11:23 AM

NYBucsFan

01-10-2008, 11:35 AM

Wonder if I'll get a call today, too...

DUDE

01-11-2008, 05:13 AM

SuperFly

01-11-2008, 10:01 AM

Feldy:

Love the sig line. Did you get the impression that they may be "fishing", also? To see what interest they would have, if they need to refill the stadium? I think they may have had a better playoff situation had they not left most of the ticket holders wondering what the deposit status was. This was my first time passing on post season tickets.

Thank you. Props go to Legacy for the sig. :)

It was probably a combination of both. As soon as he gave me the price for a club level seat, I immediately declined & gave him the answer why I wasn’t interested. I didn’t give him a chance to offer a better price for the third level.

And based on what one season ticket holder told me, he thought the playoff tickets were simply too high, so he passed.

Bottom line: in order to fill the stadium, they have to put a better "product" on the field.

It’s quite sad when Hannah Montana could sell out RJS quicker than a Bucs playoff game.

WeddingSinger

01-11-2008, 11:45 AM

any else notice the number of stadium club information tables they had at the game sunday?

TheBigGuy

01-11-2008, 12:30 PM

they have a ton of club seats available....with prices going up so much next year they will have a ton more

I'm an 0-26 Survivor

01-11-2008, 07:48 PM

That in all probability, they won't really care.

Watch all the carefully nurtured good will and public perception change that was fostered when they took over a decade ago go swirling down the toilet.

Cadillac Kid 22

01-11-2008, 11:40 PM

Bottom line: in order to fill the stadium, they have to put a better "product" on the field.

It’s quite sad when Hannah Montana could sell out RJS quicker than a Bucs playoff game.

Can she play QB?

gobux10

01-13-2008, 11:06 AM

Between 3 members of my family, we have 7 season tix and a parking pass. 5 of the tix we've had for over 30 years. I've only missed 2 home games ever: When my college graduation was during a game, and when it was past my son's due date. It's always been a family event. We have NEVER considered cancelling our season tix, but this year, is the first time. Our decision is going to be based on a couple of things: 1) Is there going to be a seat deposit? If so, how much? And 2) How much are tix going up? Our tix price is $75, but we've been "grandfathered" in at $41. It's a shame, because I've been wanting to add a another ticket, now that my son is old enough to go. We are also thinking about getting USF season tix. So, depending on what the Bucs do, we might scalp for their tix, and pickup USF.
Hopefully, the Glazers saw what happened with playoff tix, when the NFL's prices jumped so much. With the Bulls and Rays up and coming in the next couple of years, we might put more money into those teams. Just my opinion.

Pewterslimsme

01-13-2008, 11:19 AM

I was right there with you until the Rays up and coming comment ;)

Buc Droog

01-13-2008, 02:51 PM

Bucs must be desperate for season ticket holders!

I have been on the waiting list for season tickets since 2000. A couple years ago, they called me letting me know that my name was next on the list & if I was interested in purchasing them. I wasn’t home at the time, and never pursued it. They never called again until today…

They called me asking if I was still interested in the tickets. I said… “Look, the way the Bucs have been playing lately, I can find a ticket easily for $10-20 outside the stadium & stand in the SEZ the entire game.” The rep. said…”well, we did win our division” and I kindly said…”what’s the point of the division title if you go one & out in the playoffs? Keep the division title; I want them to win playoff games! So, at this time…I’m not interested. I’ll keep buying tickets at $20.” He said, “well, thank you anyways.” And I replied…”thanks for calling, Go Bucs!”

And you know something...it felt really good telling One Buc Place why I wasn't interested. Felt real good!

Great Post!

I'm waiting to see if the Glazers give back us back the 55% balance they initially said we'd get back in the 10th year, that along w/ my playoff refund will make my tickets affordable for next season, so why not?
If they ask for another seat deposit w/o any rollover, I am out. They can prep all they want to fill seats in the stadium, set-up stands at games, call ppl at home, the well is only so deep, tickets will be available for every game and we'll have home blackouts again...jmo.

as for the "Rays up and coming"...never gonna happen, unless you meant next to last in the east. They will "never" be able to compete w/ the Yankees and Red Sox, think of it like taking a pop-gun to a fight and everybody else has shotguns. Who cares bout' baseball anyway w/ the steroids and asinine salaries.

Crocaneers

01-13-2008, 06:18 PM

The 55% will either come back or roll into the new deposit .. the contract is very clear on that part . They are not going to keep that money, no way they could try. There would be a class action law suit the size of Montana.

Good points so far ..

JCfromFL

01-15-2008, 10:02 AM

I have friends who started their tickets back in 77. Each time the 10 years rolls along they have to put the deposit money on a new deposit.

I started my tickets 2 seasons ago in the Club Level. I paid about $6000 the first season for 2 seats and a parking pass. Now this year the price seems to have gone up $620 for the 2 seats. Thats significant... especially, as I have mentioned a time or twelve, the Buccaneers were not a quality product this season. The Glazers are charging Patriots money for a Raider product... Im not standing for that crap.

I am a loyal fan, and a paying customer. Don't take advantage of me like this. Would you spend $1,000 more for a car that had a flat tire? That's in essence what they're doing...

BucsFanJim

01-15-2008, 10:22 AM

I have friends who started their tickets back in 77. Each time the 10 years rolls along they have to put the deposit money on a new deposit.

.

There has only been one deposit. I have no idea what you're talking about.

NYBucsFan

01-15-2008, 10:30 AM

:rotf:

Crocaneers

01-15-2008, 10:40 AM

Good call Jim.. JC .. please as much as we are not the happiest of campers, let's stay to truth and not rumor mongering .. or non truth .. unless you are looking for a job at TMZ

JCfromFL

01-15-2008, 10:49 AM

I wasn't aware there has been only 1 deposit in 32 years... as you saw, I am in my 3rd year. The people I know who are in year 31 gave me the info so I took their word for it. Thanks for setting me straight.

NYBucsFan

01-15-2008, 10:54 AM

Looks like you're right, Jim. As upset as he may be, seems like he's just trolling around trying to get a response.

LOOK AT ME! LOOK AT ME!!

From his blog:
I was just informed that my 2008 Tampa Bay Buccaneers season tickets are up $47 per ticket. In case you're not a football fan, lets recap the 2007 season.

Then there's this:
The day I spend $31 more per game, per ticket,

And this:

Edit dos - So I was contacted by a Buccaneers representative. Apparently the information is all wrong. The spike in ticket prices is for NEW CLIENTS. Existing season ticket holders will have a ticket raise, but not as substantial. We will find out the rise for sure when we get our first invoice in a few weeks. I will resist temptation of losing my mind until then.

Pay close attention to the red part. He says he doesn't know what the increase is going to be, yet he has said he's also been told the increase is 2 different amounts.

TheBigGuy

01-15-2008, 11:18 AM

he also seems to think that there will be different face values for different ticketholders. old vs new. that is not true and is likely not even legal.

JCfromFL

01-15-2008, 12:20 PM

$31 face value, $47 with taxes & TSA charges.

Was told by Buccaneers ticket representative that the charges on the website (see above) were not what current season ticket holders were going to pay. Call them if you think this is wrong... they work at 1 Buc Place, not me.

You obviously haven't paid attention to the word "EDIT" on my post in the Ray Jay forum. I've updated as I learned new information. Once the second edit was posted, the information prior to that was invalid. Are you illiterate or just stupid?

NYBucsFan

01-15-2008, 12:41 PM

Looks like we have a thread deletion after the fact...

Carry on, folks.

Buc_na

01-15-2008, 03:30 PM

Crocaneers

01-15-2008, 03:38 PM

I have some frontage property on I-4, would you be interested?

Sexist

JCfromFL

01-15-2008, 03:38 PM

I have some frontage property on I-4, would you be interested?

No thanks, I hear traffic is killer out that way...

Buc_na

01-15-2008, 03:49 PM

Sexist

I have some backroads as well, equal opportunity here.

TheBigGuy

01-15-2008, 04:01 PM

Are you illiterate or just stupid?

No need for personal attacks....you will see on your invoice

I'm an 0-26 Survivor

01-15-2008, 07:56 PM

When what you were billed was a set amount, not fees, sub-fees, surcharges,handling fees, etc., etc.,
Hugh may have been a lot of things, but when you got your invoices, you knew what there was.....

Buc_na

01-15-2008, 08:07 PM

When what you were billed was a set amount, not fees, sub-fees, surcharges,handling fees, etc., etc.,
Hugh may have been a lot of things, but when you got your invoices, you knew what there was.....

Some of that also had to do with the product they were selling, heck I remember when my North Endzone tickets were $200 each per season.

The good ole days.

Crocaneers

01-15-2008, 08:27 PM

When what you were billed was a set amount, not fees, sub-fees, surcharges,handling fees, etc., etc.,
Hugh may have been a lot of things, but when you got your invoices, you knew what there was.....

You may want to send your Thank you note to Mr Paul Tagliabue and the last NFLPA agreement . .that generate some of those fees, surcharges, etc ..

I'm an 0-26 Survivor

01-15-2008, 08:58 PM

I'm talking about my invoices.
All that junk was added on to my invoices when the new stadium was built.

BucsFanJim

01-16-2008, 07:19 AM

Looking at my invoice from 1996

Side: N
Section: C
Row: 3
Seats: 4-5

Sub total: $460
Service charge: $2.00 (total...not each ticket)
Discount: $46.00 (picked them out at Fan Fest. They were discounting seats 10%)

Total: $416 ($20.80 per ticket per game)

Very affordable.

Tuzz

01-16-2008, 02:23 PM

[QUOTE
I'm waiting to see if the Glazers give back us back the 55% balance they initially said we'd get back in the 10th year, that along w/ my playoff refund will make my tickets affordable for next season, so why not?
If they ask for another seat deposit w/o any rollover, I am out. They can prep all they want to fill seats in the stadium, set-up stands at games, call ppl at home, the well is only so deep, tickets will be available for every game and we'll have home blackouts again...jmo.
[/QUOTE]

Here's the info that I got from someone at the ticket office. The 55% balance will rollover with no additional deposit required. You will NOT receive the annual 5% refunds as is the case now. At the end of 10 years you can get back the deposit.

Crocaneers

01-16-2008, 03:09 PM

Here's the info that I got from someone at the ticket office. The 55% balance will rollover with no additional deposit required. You will NOT receive the annual 5% refunds as is the case now. At the end of 10 years you can get back the deposit.

Let me get this right ... They will keep the 55% for 10 more years .. and not ask for another dime ...

I'll wait and see but initially calling shananigans

I'm an 0-26 Survivor

01-16-2008, 10:06 PM

Ticketmaster Buys TicketsNow
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Tue, 01/15/2008 - 12:50 — TicketBuzz

By Alfred Branch, Jr.

Powerhouse Ticketmaster is acquiring secondary ticket reseller TicketsNow, a move that instantly vaults Ticketmaster to the top of the secondary ticket market.

Financial terms were not disclosed, but reported estimates place the acquisition as high as $265 million. According to TicketNews’ exclusive industry rankings, TicketsNow is the nation’s second-largest secondary ticketer behind StubHub!, and Ticketmaster is already number one among primary ticketing companies.

Spokespersons for both companies did not respond to requests for comment Monday or early today about the pending deal, but the merger makes Ticketmaster, fresh off its federal approval to acquire ticket solutions company Paciolan, even more dominant. Similar to the Paciolan acquisition, the TicketsNow deal is also subject to federal regulatory review, and considering there was some opposition within the industry to the Paciolan purchase, expect there to be some opposition this time around.

While revenues have grown at Ticketmaster in the past year, the plan of parent company IAC/InterActiveCorp to spin it off as a separate company has not gained large support among investors and analysts, in part due to Ticketmaster’s lackluster performance in the burgeoning secondary market. As news of the TicketsNow acquisition spread through the financial markets early today, IAC’s stock had dropped nearly 2 percent and was trading below $24, as of 10:40am.

Without the acquisition, Ticketmaster was facing an uphill fight in the secondary market as several more entrenched companies dominated the market, such as StubHub!, TicketsNow, TicketLiquidator and RazorGator, among others. This despite Ticketmaster’s recent contracts with the NFL, NBA and NHL as the authorized secondary ticket reseller for those leagues.

"Fans have embraced ticket resale, and the combination of Ticketmaster and TicketsNow will allow us to provide a safer, more reliable and efficient resale experience," Sean Moriarty, President and CEO of Ticketmaster, said in a prepared statement. "We are confident that combining TicketsNow's strong resale network with our audience and distribution capabilities will enable us to set a new standard in the resale category."

TicketsNow, which sells more than $200 million in tickets annually, was recently sued by an angry parent over the Hannah Montana ticketing mess, and the company’s network of brokers have traditionally opposed Ticketmaster’s dominance and influence. Whether that will be a problem going forward if the acquisition is approved remains to be seen.

"We have built our business by providing great service and technology to the broker community and by ensuring the quality of resellers in our marketplace,” Cheryl Rosner, CEO of TicketsNow, said in a statement. Rosner was named CEO of the company during the summer of 2007, and officials said she would retain that title after the merger. “Combining with Ticketmaster will enable us to offer our partners a more compelling marketplace and provide even higher levels of service and security to fans of live entertainment

NYBucsFan

01-16-2008, 10:26 PM

Look for a new surcharge on all tickets from them.

rbobby1

01-20-2008, 11:03 PM

Well I am glad this Sunday is over....I can now skip the Super Bowl (I really have no interest in it)...get some work done around the house...and wait for my season ticket refund check. :)

CyberBucSal

01-22-2008, 07:01 PM

If they ask us for another seat deposit, I am priced out. I've been to every game since 1989 but two (a wedding and a funeral), and I just cant afford it anymore if I have to pay the deposit again at todays prices PLUS the season tickets. I'm REALLY upset. I wish they just keep my original deposit and let me just pay for my seats. :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

rbobby1

01-30-2008, 10:39 PM

I check my mail and find a very nice envelope and booklet (magazine size) from ticket sales for the stadium club. Love the booklet and threw it in with all my other Buc's stuff.

Had to cost a fortune to send this out, all glossy and everything, to God knows how many people. Checked the prices of the tickets, just for kicks, and burst out laughing....I cannot afford anything near that.

Club seat sales must really be hurting.

My only question is.......where is my initial deposit refund?? I am not renewing my tickets. Deposit or no deposit......I guess it is still drawing interest.:confused:

ktmachine

01-31-2008, 06:09 AM

:mad: The stadium marketing of club seating. The renewal breaks being given to the club seat holders (albeit it's a lot of dough, they have a lot of dough, so no pity points there). Last minute rush of mail marketing for club seats. No announcement of how regular seat holders will be treated. Meaning, instead of giving us poor schmos a courtesy of detailing how the seat deposit renewal will work, it's being treated like a normal yearly season ticket renewal. That may mean good news will be spilling from the mailbox and there will be no additional deposit, but simply we will lose what we have on account. Or it could mean, full double costs of our tickets. When it comes to professional sports owners and season tickets, more times than not it's the answer to the question "Why does a dog lick it's bouncers"? Because it can. Cross your fingers that the G Boys aren't itchy.

joebucs76

02-01-2008, 12:08 AM

When I started my season tickets they were $50 per season in the North Endzone. This year they were $760 per season in the South Endzone.

Crocaneers

02-03-2008, 02:32 AM

Anyone want to change their vote?

Tickets in the SEZ were $760 are now $990.
Then they add in your original '98 deposit (that they keep!).

Goooo Night everybody

ktmachine

02-03-2008, 06:38 AM

More than a 30% increase? More than a thirty percent increase? 30? Thirty? Feel like someone just pounded my Rock.:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

SuperFly

02-03-2008, 09:03 AM

Anyone want to change their vote?

Tickets in the SEZ were $760 are now $990.

My tickets in the SEZ are like $30 per game.

Of course, I stand the entire game, but that's besides the point.

Buc_na

02-03-2008, 09:46 AM

Anyone want to change their vote?

Tickets in the SEZ were $760 are now $990.
Then they add in your original '98 deposit (that they keep!).

Goooo Night everybody

Mine went up the same $460 for the entire season, although it is high, they are right, our ticket prices are about average compared to the rest of the league.

I really don't think it is a Bucs issue, more of an NFL issue, pretty sad that the most profitable and popular sports league in the world may soon price out it's most loyal fans.

I wanted to add two tickets so that we had four together for when our son and daughter are older, so much for that. It's not a kids game anymore.

rbobby1

02-03-2008, 12:42 PM

Anyone want to change their vote?

Tickets in the SEZ were $760 are now $990.
Then they add in your original '98 deposit (that they keep!).

Goooo Night everybody

Did they say how we can get our deposit back. I am done.

Crocaneers

02-03-2008, 01:17 PM

Did they say how we can get our deposit back. I am done.

Not on the Account Manager .. I may get my mail after you guys do .. but I am sure that it is explain in there ..

They cannot keep it ! (unless you buy this year and then bail out .. )

BucsFanJim

02-04-2008, 08:47 AM

My tickets went up as well.
from $76 to $99. Not a happy camper.
That's unacceptable.
:mad:

DUDE

02-04-2008, 01:03 PM

My tickets went up as well.
from $76 to $99. Not a happy camper.
That's unacceptable.
:mad:

Even at $99.00 they're still a lot less then the Pats. My same seats in Foxboro were something like $185.00 3 years ago and those are NOT club seats.

The Reaper

02-04-2008, 01:53 PM

Even at $99.00 they're still a lot less then the Pats. My same seats in Foxboro were something like $185.00 3 years ago and those are NOT club seats.

You are comparing a team which competes for the Super Bowl each year with a team that cannot make it past the wild card round (or go 4-12).

I will not be renewing my Club Seats this year. I haven't gotten my invoice yet, nor is it on the account manager, I'm expecting it to be ugly. I guess I will forfeit the remainder of my deposit. Hope the Glazers enjoy it...

ZenoZone

02-05-2008, 10:25 AM

I got the Club Seats envelope in the mail this morning. Heck, the envelope is fancy itself. A fancy magazine promoting them, but no mention of the price :p Then they have a small paper in the back cover which gives the damage.

BF4L

02-05-2008, 08:39 PM

You know the sting wouldn't be near as bad if I wasn't forced to pay for 2 scrub games-- I think I will take my chances with fans who need to get rid of their seats at or near face. A 13 buck increase per seat is BS. Add in their is also an rumored 5 buck parking increase. The Bucs are almost 30% higher than the other teams in the market in J-ville and Miami and are on avg 20% higher than the teams in the division.

You would think we could get a damn consistent team with the damn consitent price hikes.

I smell blackouts this year again.

The Reaper

02-06-2008, 08:03 AM

I try not to take this personally... I honestly try really hard. I understand that the NFL is not about sports, it's not about fans, its a business. It still hurts... bad... our team struggled to make the playoffs this year, we were embarrassed at home. I was there, cheering like a maniac.

If we are winning by 20 points... I was in my seat until the clock read zeros. If were losing by 20 points... I was in my seat until the clock read zeros. I am a loyal fan, I love the Buccaneers and it KILLS me to give up on my Club tickets that I waited so long and was so excited about finally getting. It's just too much money... I don't appreciate the filthy greed being shown by the Bucs FO.

I will instead start showing up on game day with $50 and get 2 seats in the upper level. I will go down to Buccaneer cove and hang out where I won't be yelled at for standing or screaming the whole game. There will be blackouts, if there is not, then the fans are stupid and it shows the management that they can continue to spike tickets all they want. Perhaps I will get the Sunday ticket with my $3,000 from my club seats.

Either way, it sucks... we deserve better.

RandomHero

02-06-2008, 10:52 AM

I couldn't agree more. I'm sure the Super Bowl in Tampa has something to do with why the price is going up. I'm sure massive maintenance and upgrading is scheduled.

TBayNoll

02-06-2008, 03:01 PM

I couldn't agree more. I'm sure the Super Bowl in Tampa has something to do with why the price is going up. I'm sure massive maintenance and upgrading is scheduled.

I remember reading a while back about them adding over a hundred flat screen TVs throughout the stadium in preparation for the Super Bowl. You know that is just the beginning of the improvements they will probably add. Does that justify the ticket increase, of course not. I thought the lack of playoff interest would be a wakeup call for the Glazers. This is not a large, high income market like Chicago, NY, Washington, etc. I guess they are expecting the 100,000 on the waiting list to gobble up the available tickets. Good luck :smileretr

Wishfullracer

02-06-2008, 04:33 PM

Yea, I saw the bad news in my account manager. An increase of $580.00 puts me out of the game. A 30% increase? That is not happening around the NFL, only the the Boys could do that to a great fan base. For the total cost it would be $119.00x2 for ten games. I`ll go when it`s not 95 degrees and buy tickets outside the stadium. I`m bummed, but screw em.

RandomHero

02-06-2008, 04:43 PM

I`ll go when it`s not 95 degrees and buy tickets outside the stadium. I`m bummed, but screw em.

Yeah, that's my plan as well. Why pay all that money when you can get tickets for $30 on game day?

sglfladad

02-08-2008, 08:06 AM

Is because the Glazers still have a lot of my seat deposit money. 5 more years and I'm done. Maybe less than 5 years since every year they are holding less and less of my money. I may be willing to take the hit.

edit:
After seeing my new invoice - my 2 seats went up a by almost 25%.. I may be willing to just give the Glazers my 686.00 sheeesh..what a shame. 1520.00 to 1990.00

MarineBuc

02-08-2008, 10:14 AM

My tickets went up as well.
from $76 to $99. Not a happy camper.
That's unacceptable.
:mad:
I just went to my Account manager and it's blank :confused:

JeffKoz

02-08-2008, 12:54 PM

I just went to my Account manager and it's blank :confused:

Just got into mine after a few days of blank. Invoice there now, due March 6 (I though half was due Mar 6, the half later, but it states the whole amount by March 6)...Anyway, price increase $5 per...$70 last year, $75 this year. So, after crediting playoff purchase, $1220 due for me

RandomHero

02-08-2008, 01:27 PM

JeffKoz

02-08-2008, 02:04 PM

That is your entire amount, there will not be another invoice. Just got off the phone with customer service - the online invoice does not show the "split" of paying half by March 6 then the rest probably April or May. She said the paper invoices mailed out will show the split

Just got mine too. I was excited at first to see that my tickets went up only $7, from 148 to 155, then I realized this was only the first payment! I'm sure it will come out to the expected $195 after the May payment is processed. Either way, I'm out, this is getting outrageous.

Parking stayed the same, 25 per game.

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii284/randomherointb/RipOff.jpg

Crocaneers

02-08-2008, 02:16 PM

Just got mine too. I was excited at first to see that my tickets went up only $7, from 148 to 155, then I realized this was only the first payment! I'm sure it will come out to the expected $195 after the May payment is processed. Either way, I'm out, this is getting outrageous.

Parking stayed the same, 25 per game.

I really don't think so .. of course no one has a real invoice yet .. but if I look at my account manager and compare it your picture .. we are being asked to pay it all .... NOW ... not in two installments like we have in the past ..

Maybe I am wrong ... and the postman waits ..

RandomHero

02-08-2008, 02:41 PM

If it is true, that my invoice shows the total being $155 per game, per ticket... where does the $195 come from on the website? Unless current ticket holders price raise is lower than new ticket holders?

That just seems like it would be too much to keep track of.

BucDefender

02-08-2008, 04:49 PM

Just opened THE LETTER!,
no new deposit required, 3 year extension, price increased $5 a ticket

traew

02-08-2008, 06:38 PM

Call me crazy... but I live in L.A. and most tickets to the Lakers are close to 100.00 (many much higher)... and they play 4 times as many games...

I still think the NFL and the Bucs are a decent deal when compared to other sports and many of the other franchises in the NFL.

Nobody wants to pay more... but as much as I love the Bucs it is worth it to me.... (heck, I even pay 400 to fly from LA to Tampa).

Crocaneers

02-08-2008, 06:53 PM

Just opened THE LETTER!,
no new deposit required, 3 year extension, price increased $5 a ticket

$5 a game .. a ticket ..... for CLUBS!

Thanks

Us commoners get to have a little different ride ... Increase of $26 a game ...

BucDefender

02-08-2008, 07:45 PM

Crocaneers

02-08-2008, 10:38 PM

Sorry, that was $5 additional
From $70 to $75 for nosebleeds X 20
From $1400 to $1500
I'm just glad they didn't want a new deposit :)
Looks like parking will be $25 again, just wish the beer would stop going up!

Looks like RJS is going into many ticket prices again ... we paid 760 last year in section 134 and my brother in law the same in 122. Both sets are going to 990. Lower bowl priviledges?

Doubtful

rbobby1

02-08-2008, 11:30 PM

Just signed the letter and getting my deposit back! Thank God I am so over this; I would really express my true feelings but I will get banned again. I am priced out........:mad:

BucsFanJim

02-09-2008, 08:21 AM

Looks like RJS is going into many ticket prices again ... we paid 760 last year in section 134 and my brother in law the same in 122. Both sets are going to 990. Lower bowl priviledges?

Doubtful

3 more years? Ha!!!!11!!!

They are so nice to give you back 5% of your original deposit for those 3 years???

BTW I'm not in the lower bowl and mine jumped $23 per seat per game.

I hope I get THE LETTER today. It's hard to polish a turd. But I can't wait to see them try.

BTW...for the poster above. If you fly to each game AND can accept a 23% increase...that's awesome. The Buc$ are on the line and they want the names and addre$$es of all your co-workers.

valis

02-09-2008, 08:52 AM

I couldn't agree more. I'm sure the Super Bowl in Tampa has something to do with why the price is going up. I'm sure massive maintenance and upgrading is scheduled.

That wouldn't have anything to do with ticket prices; the Glazers don't pay for anything to do with the stadium.

SuperFly

02-09-2008, 08:59 AM

BTW...for the poster above. If you fly to each game AND can accept a 23% increase...that's awesome. The Buc$ are on the line and they want the names and addre$$es of all your co-workers.

Or you can give me your number & I'll give it to them so they can quit calling me!

Trance

02-09-2008, 09:53 AM

Does anyone know if you get the second game playoff money back, along with the seat deposit if you decide not to renew?

Crocaneers

02-09-2008, 01:43 PM

Does anyone know if you get the second game playoff money back, along with the seat deposit if you decide not to renew?

Yes .. they have to.

Heretoplay

02-09-2008, 01:57 PM

Not happy with the increease, but we are glad that the lower bowl will finally be paying more than the upper bowl. It seems rediculous that the lower bowl tickets are worth so much more on the resale market, but the uppoer bowl has always had to pay the same amount. Now, if they woud recognize the value for inside the 20s versus outside them....

RandomHero

02-09-2008, 04:35 PM

Got my paper invoice yesterday. Club 3 only went up $7 (148 to 155). Payments are split like last year, first payment due Mar 6, then the rest in May. Looks like ticket spikes are all over the place. Seems like many price levels in Ray Jay now?

Crocaneers

02-09-2008, 07:41 PM

Got my paper invoice today ..

Deposit rolls forward for three more years ... (%5 returns every year)

Tickets went from $760 to $890.
They are splitting the amounts due (as they have in the past) . that was not obvious in the Account Manager.

BucsFanJim

02-10-2008, 09:43 AM

Got my paper invoice today ..

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Tickets went from $760 to $890.

Got my LETTER today as well. Pretty much made up my mind that the Glazers want a whole new group of ticket holders and with that new group they get a new ticket holder deposits.

23% increase. Mine went from $76 to $99 per ticket per game x 10. It's a small percentage of my income and I can afford it. It's just not making sense to me to continue.

Pretty much made up my mind that they'll get a new customer to replace me.

I'm so ****ed.

I may not buy another new item that has the Bucs logo or the NFL logo on it. I'll buy used crap off e-bay. I'll remove the fan store from the BucFanz site.

I'll tailgate in Al Lopez as I have for the past umpteen years...go to games when I feel like it... but I'll go home before I buy a full priced ticket again.

I may buy USF tickets with the refund that I get.

The more I type the more ticked off I get.

Bitter. Very bitter.

valis

02-10-2008, 09:47 AM

I may buy USF tickets with the refund that I get.

Buying USF tickets also gives money to the Glazer's, it's their stadium. As I understand it the Bucs make more money off of USF home games than USF does.

BucsFanJim

02-10-2008, 09:55 AM

Buying USF tickets also gives money to the Glazer's, it's their stadium. As I understand it the Bucs make more money off of USF home games than USF does.

Link?

BF4L

02-10-2008, 10:09 AM

Buying USF tickets also gives money to the Glazer's, it's their stadium. As I understand it the Bucs make more money off of USF home games than USF does.

The Tampa Sports Authority owns the stadium. It has a lease with the Glazers, as well as another lease with USF.

ktmachine

02-10-2008, 02:24 PM

We are approaching the middle class pain threshold if we haven't already surpassed it. The collective blob that is professional sports ownership has greedily colluded to price everyday family Joe and Joanne out of spectatorship. We are no longer the cash cow marketing base targeted by the 21st century bean counters. Loyalty is a fan fool's manufactured dream of reliving bygone days of sport as sport. Reality is that never really existed but was rather enabled under the cloak of pre-free agency. The Fat Sapps have been screaming that the fan doesn't matter, but we chose to ignore so we could continue to slug down our beers, paint our faces and compete for most obnoxious booster. All the while, the Fat Sapps and greedy owners were already planning to move on or replace us with younger, deeper pockets. Oh, well, some of us lemmings will continue to fall off the cliff, cheering for touchdowns until we drown. Pro sports in the 21st Century. That ain't no half a peace sign sneering back at you. Go Bucs!

Buc Droog

02-10-2008, 02:29 PM

Got my LETTER today as well. Pretty much made up my mind that the Glazers want a whole new group of ticket holders and with that new group they get a new ticket holder deposits.

23% increase. Mine went from $76 to $99 per ticket per game x 10. It's a small percentage of my income and I can afford it. It's just not making sense to me to continue.

Pretty much made up my mind that they'll get a new customer to replace me.

This is exactly what've I've been saying, the Glazers are looking to replace the base of season ticket holders that sold out RayJay for 10 years and are looking to cash in on new season ticket holders who will pay double b/c of the seat deposit. Why can't they just say if you want season tickets we'll refund you 5% refund for 20 years!
IMO they will be satisfied if they lose 30-40% if they replace that number w/ 20% and the stadium is only 80% sold, they will still probably make money, and sell out a handful of games.
After 13 years of running the franchise and the Glazers making mostly good decisions, they made a bad one with this price increase...but they're billionaires so who can question what they do.
I love the spin from the Tribune, but they're not asking for another seat deposit, they increased tix 30% in the lower bowl...but no new seat deposit....Thanks???
When is it enough for the Glazers, they have the SB coming here, they collect on everything that goes through RayJay, they've acquired almost all of the parking, they don't pay for maintenance, they get sued by the TSA b/c they don't want to pay the property tax...sheesh...
before the stadium was even built, they said they'd throw in I can't remember the $ amount but it was something like $50 mil., never happened...just like the fans who are responsible for selling-out RayJay are going to rec. the bal. of their seat deposits after 10 years....that never happened either..unless you want to step aside and let somebody else have your seats w/ a new deposit.

ballandglove

02-10-2008, 03:30 PM

RandomHero

02-10-2008, 07:35 PM

Instead of giving another $3400 to the Buccaneers, I will give Verizon FiOS my $249 for NFL Sunday Ticket. I have a feeling we may need it next season here in Tampa Bay.

rbobby1

02-10-2008, 09:50 PM

Instead of giving another $3400 to the Buccaneers, I will give Verizon FiOS my $249 for NFL Sunday Ticket. I have a feeling we may need it next season here in Tampa Bay.

Sunday ticket is still a blackout on unsold local games. Drive to Miami, get a room on the beach, watch the game, take your significant other for after game activities, drink lot's of suds, no heat or game traffic, take monday off to come back home and still pocket extra money vs the RJS tickets, concessions and parking.

DUDE

02-11-2008, 07:05 AM

Got my LETTER today as well. Pretty much made up my mind that the Glazers want a whole new group of ticket holders and with that new group they get a new ticket holder deposits.

23% increase. Mine went from $76 to $99 per ticket per game x 10. It's a small percentage of my income and I can afford it. It's just not making sense to me to continue.

Pretty much made up my mind that they'll get a new customer to replace me.

I'm so ****ed.

I may not buy another new item that has the Bucs logo or the NFL logo on it. I'll buy used crap off e-bay. I'll remove the fan store from the BucFanz site.

I'll tailgate in Al Lopez as I have for the past umpteen years...go to games when I feel like it... but I'll go home before I buy a full priced ticket again.

I may buy USF tickets with the refund that I get.

The more I type the more ticked off I get.

Bitter. Very bitter.

Jim, I understand ya being ****ed but we knew this day would come. Even with this increase (my seats also went from $76 to $99) we are still lower than teams like New England, Washington & Dallas. Plus we play in probably the best stadium in the NFL. This is the way of the NFL now. Look at the Super Bowl, over half the people in the stadium are there simply because they're relatively wealthy and want to bee seen, much like the Masters. I shouldn't get political about this and I may get lambasted for it but you can thank politicians like George W. for this, trying to make this country the HAVES and the HAVE NOTS. I'll keep scrounging the $$ together because I've had my seats for 32 years now and it's become a way of life for me. Come every August my entire life pretty much revolves around the Buccaneers. Hopefully some day in the not too distant future the Glazers and the rest of major sports owners and players will realize that enough is enough. Until then guys like you and me will keep taking it on the chin, sorry to say.

I'm an 0-26 Survivor

02-11-2008, 07:39 AM

Dude...obviously you miss the point. I understand quite perfectly where Jim comes from.

You don't, or you wouldn't have posted that crap.

RandomHero

02-11-2008, 08:16 AM

Sunday ticket is still a blackout on unsold local games. Drive to Miami, get a room on the beach, watch the game, take your significant other for after game activities, drink lot's of suds, no heat or game traffic, take monday off to come back home and still pocket extra money vs the RJS tickets, concessions and parking.

Well, ****. I thought Sunday ticket wasn't blacked out. Guess I will just listen to Gene then...

Crocaneers

02-11-2008, 08:52 AM

Can someone explain the advantage of renewing for 3 more years? I've read what they sent me and I can't figure out why I would want the organization to keep my money for another 3 years!!!! Only advantage is to the organiztion (thiefs) to earn more interest...

It's a carrot to have you thnk you can get your deposit back ... so you can go to games for three years and then possible have a new agreement.

Funny how also three years are the extensions for Gruden, Kiffen, et al.

Coincidences ....

TBayNoll

02-11-2008, 09:48 AM

DUDE, first of all you are comparing large cities like Dallas, Washington and N.E. to Tampa. Can we say apples to oranges? Compare the medium income of those cities to that of Tampa and you will get your answer to why people are upset. I am still going to pay it, but please don't give me the lame city comparison excuse.

Did I read correctly or did you actually try to associate the policies of a president to a football ticket increase? You know, my son got sick this week. I bet you Bush had something to do with it!!!! I am sure you are probably one of the prople who think Al Gore created the internet and good ole Bill is an honest man. Please take you political rants to another message board.

bucwench

02-11-2008, 11:33 AM

Median.

RandomHero

02-11-2008, 11:46 AM

DUDE, first of all you are comparing large cities like Dallas, Washington and N.E. to Tampa.

DUDE, New England isn't a city...

tinkerbell

02-11-2008, 01:55 PM

:mad: :eek: I hate to make BucsFanJim as angry as I am, but he states his tickets went up from $76 to $99, 23%, no Jim, it's 30% increase - $23 increase per ticket. I'm in 133 lower level....I can't understand how they can charge (SEZ) (as stated up above) the same price????
And I know someone who just received invoice for 4 club seats at $990 per seat for the season, same as me but I have no club seats? How is this justified? By the way, the second half of payment is due May 1 (stated on the 3 year term Season Ticket Agreement), and for those trying to scrounge up the money - your government tax rebate checks will come in May ;) like you really had no other use for the money! But if we agree to the Season Ticket Agreement, what increases are in store for us the next two years?:confused:

IslandBuc

02-11-2008, 04:26 PM

Love the fact that we are in a "Recession", 401k's are crumbling, the Tampa real estate market is one of the worst in the country and the good ole Glazer's help the community out by raising ticket prices. The NFL ticket price bubble has got to burst. I gotta believe that they are at the brink of what the majority of people in this market can afford to pay. I've been a season ticket holder since 99. My prices have gone up 50% since the first year of my contract. Once I get through 09 I am done. $150/ticket for a pre-season game is a complete rip-off. The value for the entertainment dollar is just not there any more.

DUDE

02-12-2008, 07:52 AM

Dude...obviously you miss the point. I understand quite perfectly where Jim comes from.

You don't, or you wouldn't have posted that crap.

:biggrinre

DUDE

02-12-2008, 07:52 AM

Hawk57

02-12-2008, 11:57 AM

Karma has a way of repaying greed. I think the Glazers will learn some painful lessons this year. A price increase is fine but 30% is downright greedy and unjustified. This is another PR blunder for the Glazers but I don't think they really care what anyone else thinks. As long as they stay out of sight and off the field, they should be fine. But, they should not expect to walk on the field and be greeted by adoring fans at any point in the 2008 season - unless it's to present another Super Bowl trophy.

Many fans will pay the higher prices but be upset about it. A lot of fans will be driven away either because they can no longer afford the tickets -- or simply refuse to pay the higher prices. I think the Glazers will also learn that most of the 100,000 fans on their waiting list are "lookie loo's", and not serious buyers. It costs nothing to sign up on the waiting list. Start asking those people to put up $500 to $990 (plus a depost of $500 to $990) per season ticket and see how many are really serious. If someone is on the waiting list and wants to buy 2 season tickets, they'll need to put up $2,000 in March/April to pay for the first year -- and that's for the worst seats in the stadium. If they want to be down in the lower tier, it will cost them $3,960 for two tickets. And, if they want club seats, they'll have to part with $7,800 to $15,800 for two tickets.

With higher ticket prices comes much higher fan expectations. The product must improve both on and off the field to justify the cost - or fans will revolt by the tens of thousands. There will be less patience with the team during the season -- and a lot more booing of the owners whenever they make an appearance on or off the field.

I'm not sure about blackouts. The Bucs may still sell out even with higher prices, especially if they're winning. There are plenty of fans that can pay the higher prices, and many of new fans waiting for the opportunity. No blackouts would be a good thing for the fans who still want to watch the team locally but can't afford the tickets.

I've been a season ticket holder for over 20 years. We started with 4 seats, but cut back to 2 for the last 10 seasons. Since we live in St Louis, we can watch every game on NFL Ticket regardless of the local blackout rules. However, we'll still buy our tickets again this year, but the value is definitely diminishing for us. We usually fly down for a 2-4 games and sell the rest. I never thought I'd say it, but with HDTV and TIVO, watching a game at home is actually becoming a superior experience. No crowds, no sunburn or heat stroke, no $6 cokes, no $25 parking fees, no traffic or congestion, no long lines at the concession or bathroom, and no drunk and obnoxious fans. And, you get much better coverage and can pause/replay the game any time you want -- all from the comfort of your living room.

Wishfullracer

02-13-2008, 09:02 AM

I agree. My tickets went up $23.00 and I`m out. It`s not that I can`t afford it, with me its the principle. they screw the loyal fan. Why should my seats go up that much, when the club seats didn`t get hit too bad. Most of them can write the tickets off. It`s almost a relief not to have that commitment anymore. Go to a game when you want to, not have to eat those pre-season games. Like most, I`ll be in front of my tv with the Sunday ticket, air conditioning, cheap drinks and the grill going. No more torture.

valis

02-16-2008, 10:22 AM

Link?

http://thesportsbizblog.blogspot.com/2007/09/bucs-profit-from-usf-sellout.html

valis

02-16-2008, 04:53 PM

Jim, I understand ya being ****ed but we knew this day would come. Even with this increase (my seats also went from $76 to $99) we are still lower than teams like New England, Washington & Dallas. Plus we play in probably the best stadium in the NFL. This is the way of the NFL now. Look at the Super Bowl, over half the people in the stadium are there simply because they're relatively wealthy and want to bee seen, much like the Masters. I shouldn't get political about this and I may get lambasted for it but you can thank politicians like George W. for this, trying to make this country the HAVES and the HAVE NOTS. I'll keep scrounging the $$ together because I've had my seats for 32 years now and it's become a way of life for me. Come every August my entire life pretty much revolves around the Buccaneers. Hopefully some day in the not too distant future the Glazers and the rest of major sports owners and players will realize that enough is enough. Until then guys like you and me will keep taking it on the chin, sorry to say.

You will scrounge to give your money to the Bucs and it's somehow George Bush's fault? I think you are missing the theory of supply and demand; your going to great lengths to give them the money has a lot more to do with prices going up than any federal policy.

If you want to blame the government blame the local politicos who helped the stadium deal along; or blame the senators and congressmen who turn a blind eye to cities like Baltimore giving millions to a privately owned NFL team and then begging for federal aid because the city is broke. ( Not to mention the funny business with FAA funding and the Bucs).

If you are that worried about the have nots stay at home and give your Bucs ticket money to charity.

Hawk57

02-18-2008, 04:59 PM

The NFL is an elite sport for the elite fan. The Post Season has always been expensive, especially the Super Bowl. The club seats and personal seat licenses have continued the trend.

Should we really be surprised that Regular Joes are now getting priced out of the regular season? Those that can afford it, will gladly pay and enjoy the games. Those that can't will watch from home or get together with their friends somewhere.

It's just another way to keep the "riff raff" out. I bet if the Bucs started charging people to post in this forum, you'd also see a drop in posts and a lot of unhappy, unruly posters weeded out.

Apparently, the NFL policy is to "put up or shut up". Pay the price and you can stay. They'll probably have fewer hard core, blue collar fans at games in the future - but they may ultimately see that as a good thing for their higher rolling fans who will no longer have to sit with the common folk.

Like any profitable enterprise, the NFL and Bucs are trying to maximize their profits. They will continue to raise prices as long as fans are willing to pay. The only thing that would stem the tide would be a league-wide boycott by season ticket holders. The NFL is making money on TV revenue but they still want people in the stands and watching at home. If you really want to get their attention, start finding something else to do with your Sundays -- and encourage all your friends to do the same. If there's no demand for NFL football, the league will crash and burn, and a new football league will eventually take its place. It's simple supply and demand - and we, the consumers, ultimately decide the market - not the NFL or Bucs.

pheenix11

02-19-2008, 11:16 AM

You guys will laugh but take the money you would spend on Bucs season tickets, put $1800 of it in the bank and buy 2 season tickets for the Tampa Bay Storm. I thought it sucked too until I attended a game. Its not the NFL but its fun, cheap and air conditioned and you don't have to bend over just to watch their product.

Hawk57 is right. This isn't just a Bucs thing, this is league wide. The NFL doesn't want you. They want a demographic with more money so they can sell Mercedes ads on tv instead of Kia ads. Rather than cry over it, give them the finger and find someplace else to spend your money. When the fair weather wine and cheese crowd cancel their season tickets after a couple losing seasons maybe the greedy ******** who run the NFL will get knocked down a couple pegs when they have to come crawling back to Joe 6 Pack to buy some season tickets.

The idiots who run the NFL are like the housing market, they think they can just keep charging whatever they want and someone will pay it. Well we all know how that one ended.

RemoGaggi

02-19-2008, 11:18 AM

take the money you would spend on Bucs season tickets, put $1800 of it in the bank and buy 2 season tickets for the Tampa Bay Storm. I

:rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf:

BucsFanJim

02-23-2008, 12:45 PM

http://www.hookz.com/pictur1.gif
I cancelled my tickets...but looks like I still owe $4.00 for not wanting them.

awesome. just freakin awesome.

Can't make this stuff up.

Crocaneers

02-23-2008, 06:55 PM

Now there is some good news!

Can you imagine the $4 revenue on the cancellations?

yes I also bumped this so the ticket seller with the ebay link would not be on top

Tuzz

02-24-2008, 12:35 AM

http://www.hookz.com/pictur1.gif
I cancelled my tickets...but looks like I still owe $4.00 for not wanting them.

awesome. just freakin awesome.

Can't make this stuff up.

Wow. I just checked my account and I also owe them $4.00. If we don't pay by the due date do we lose our deposit?

tinkerbell

02-25-2008, 05:26 PM

Wow. I just checked my account and I also owe them $4.00. If we don't pay by the due date do we lose our deposit?Your $4 will be held hostage and deducted from the deposit. I'm sure there is nothing you can do if you want to get back the deposit.:(

Trance

02-26-2008, 03:22 PM

My question:

Why do I have a $4.00 handling fee for not buying something?

Their answer:

If you are not purchasing anything, then you can disregard any fees.

Buccaneers Ticket Office

Tampa Bay Buccaneers
One Buccaneer Place
Tampa, FL 33607
813.870.2700
813.876.5782 (Fax)
www.buccaneers.com

Crocaneers

02-26-2008, 08:27 PM

My question:

Why do I have a $4.00 handling fee for not buying something?

Their answer:

If you are not purchasing anything, then you can disregard any fees, because we will deduct it from your deposit refund

Buccaneers Ticket Office

Tampa Bay Buccaneers
One Buccaneer Place
Tampa, FL 33607
813.870.2700
813.876.5782 (Fax)
www.buccaneers.com

Fixed

Crocaneers

03-04-2008, 03:54 PM

2 days left until the masses escape ..

Buc_na

03-04-2008, 07:37 PM

2 days left until the masses escape ..

I am paying for my tickets tomorrow, after 22yrs I couldn't imagine not being a season ticket holder. Although they have officially priced me out, I want to be able to take my children to some games as well.

Oh well..........

rbobby1

03-05-2008, 06:12 AM

2 days left until the masses escape ..

I wonder if I will receive my deposit refund as promptly as I had to pay it.

Buc_na

03-06-2008, 01:56 PM

Just paid mine, we better get Larry Fitzgerald or Chad Johnson with the increase that I took.

Other than that....

GO BUCS !!!!

rbobby1

03-12-2008, 02:59 PM

Just spoke with the ticket office. May be another month before we receive our deposit refunds. Told the initial 10 year folks, like me, who sent in their requests for refunds that those were being printed and processed. Was advised that they had to wait until the initial cutoff date. Why? I put it in writing that I wanted my money back:mad: I am not changing my mind evn if I could.

I wonder what would have happened if I did not pay my deposit or yearly renewal on time? Would they cancel my tickets? Oh yes. But I have to be patient while my check is being "processed and printed"? The management of this whole ticket scam is so bogus.

I will be at the games but on my terms.