View Full Version : Official TBBBB pick discussion thread
Phr0z3nBuc
02-26-2008, 01:39 PM
Discuss here.
dawgland
02-26-2008, 01:42 PM
i don't think he mentioned this, but if you're not going to be on the board when you're slated to pick, send a proxy list phrozen listing a few players in order of who you want.
also how is the draft time going to be slated?
h-town baller
02-26-2008, 01:48 PM
where is that damn tampabayfan? I sent him a trade proposal for the 1st overall pick? :mad:
TampaBay012286
02-26-2008, 02:04 PM
im having some computer troubles today, so if im not on here @ 3:30, the #1 overall pick is officially up for trade!
ill try to get back as close to the start time as i can, but if nobody wants to trade, my selection for the dolphins is:
Matt Ryan, QB, Boston College
http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u17/BucGuy813/mattryan.jpg
Reasoning: The Dolphins have plenty of holes to fill, so they will look to trade down, but if they are unable to find a willing trade partner, they will take the top QB in this years draft to jumpstart their rebuilding process.
Other Players Considered: Glenn Dorsey, Chris Long, Jake Long, Darren McFadden
TampaBay012286
02-26-2008, 02:05 PM
where is that damn tampabayfan? I sent him a trade proposal for the 1st overall pick? :mad:
im sorry can u propose it again here?
h-town baller
02-26-2008, 02:08 PM
I'll give you atl 1st round pick (3rd overall) this years 4th round pick, and next years 2 and 6th round pick plus Adam jennings? Deal or No deal? :)
TampaBay012286
02-26-2008, 02:12 PM
I'll give you atl 1st round pick (3rd overall) this years 4th round pick, and next years 2 and 6th round pick plus Adam jennings? Deal or No deal? :)
i think we r just dealing with this years draft picks & not worrying about trading current NFL players, im not sure how many rounds this is gonna go, but if u can find out & make a good offer, i will atleast consider it :cool:
h-town baller
02-26-2008, 02:15 PM
i think we r just dealing with this years draft picks & not worrying about trading current NFL players, im not sure how many rounds this is gonna go, but if u can find out & make a good offer, i will atleast consider it :cool:
All right you want picks I'll give you picks?
TampaBay012286: Recevies
2008: 1 round, 4 round, 6th round
2009- 2nd round, 3rd round, 5 round and 7th round
H-town Baller Recevies - 1st overall pick and 2008 3rd round and 5th round picks
TampaBay012286
02-26-2008, 02:18 PM
All right you want picks I'll give you picks?
TampaBay012286: Recevies
2008: 1 round, 4 round, 6th round
2009- 2nd round, 3rd round, 5 round and 7th round
H-town Baller Recevies - 1st overall pick and 2008 3rd round and 5th round picks
sorry, no deal... only use this years picks in an offer, unless phroz3n states otherwise
h-town baller
02-26-2008, 02:20 PM
sorry, no deal... only use this years picks in an offer, unless phroz3n states otherwise
I'll give you my 1st round pick 2nd round pick and my 4th round pick for the 1st overall pick.
TampaBay012286
02-26-2008, 02:23 PM
I'll give you my 1st round pick 2nd round pick and my 4th round pick for the 1st overall pick.
thats more like it, whenever phroz3n sees this, lets make it official :cool:
h-town baller
02-26-2008, 02:23 PM
thats more like it, whenever phroz3n sees this, lets make it official :cool:
Nice doing business with you. :)
Rorschach
02-26-2008, 02:44 PM
Well, you can probably go ahead and post your pick, unless you are going to try and trade the pick again.
Phr0z3nBuc
02-26-2008, 03:07 PM
remember the picks will be posted here
http://bbs.buccaneers.com/showthread.php?t=155881
NO other posts should be made there except picks.
TampaBay012286
02-26-2008, 03:19 PM
remember the picks will be posted here
http://bbs.buccaneers.com/showthread.php?t=155881
NO other posts should be made there except picks.
did u catch the trade proposal between me & h-town? we have both agreed to it, so he now has the #1 overall pick
Phr0z3nBuc
02-26-2008, 03:25 PM
Trade accepted.
Carry on.
TampaBay012286
02-26-2008, 03:54 PM
Trade accepted.
Carry on.
did we delay this thing again or did it still start @ 3:30? the guy that now has the #1 pick isnt even logged on here lol
Conde54
02-26-2008, 03:59 PM
why isnt anyone posting? i thought we atarted at 330?
BearLandBucFan
02-26-2008, 04:03 PM
I'll trade you my 68 Johnny Bench for your 78 Nolan Ryan and 88 Ken Griffey Jr. Upper Deck cards...
Phr0z3nBuc
02-26-2008, 04:04 PM
why isnt anyone posting? i thought we atarted at 330?
He has until 4:20 eastern before I void the trade and Tampabay2431234235 makes the #1 pick.
TampaBay012286
02-26-2008, 04:05 PM
He has until 4:20 eastern before I void the trade and Tampabay2431234235 makes the #1 pick.
wow nice deal, so we have 50 minutes per pick i take it?
Phr0z3nBuc
02-26-2008, 04:10 PM
wow nice deal, so we have 50 minutes per pick i take it?
Times will vary. It seems unfair but it should be fine.
Conde54
02-26-2008, 04:19 PM
yeah are we goin ET PT or what timezone are you guys in? im goin by eastern its 4:16 here in snowy central NY
Phr0z3nBuc
02-26-2008, 04:19 PM
yeah are we goin ET PT or what timezone are you guys in? im goin by eastern its 4:16 here in snowy central NY
eastern, btw your pick is up Tampabay
TampaBay012286
02-26-2008, 04:20 PM
yeah are we goin ET PT or what timezone are you guys in? im goin by eastern its 4:16 here in snowy central NY
eastern time, i will be posting the #1 pick in 2 more minutes
h-town baller
02-26-2008, 04:21 PM
I made the pick.
Phr0z3nBuc
02-26-2008, 04:22 PM
I made the pick.
****, tampa revoke the pick please.
TampaBay012286
02-26-2008, 04:23 PM
****, tampa revoke the pick please.
ok everything is good, h-town is back on the clock
Phr0z3nBuc
02-26-2008, 04:24 PM
This is why I look down at trades. Too much confusion.
Phr0z3nBuc
02-26-2008, 04:25 PM
H-town make the pick.
Post it exactly like Tampa did (good job Tampa, pics and such)
bucs14fan
02-26-2008, 04:25 PM
Pavel Kubina for anyone's 7th round pick in 2019.
TampaBay012286
02-26-2008, 04:26 PM
H-town make the pick.
Post it exactly like Tampa did (good job Tampa, pics and such)
thanks, heres how i posted it, so everyone else can follow the same format...
1) Miami Dolphins- Matt Ryan, QB, Boston College
http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u17/BucGuy813/mattryan.jpg
Reasoning: The Dolphins have plenty of holes to fill, so they will look to trade down, but if they are unable to find a willing trade partner, they will take the top QB in this years draft to jumpstart their rebuilding process.
Other Players Considered: Glenn Dorsey, Chris Long, Jake Long, Darren McFadden
dawgland
02-26-2008, 04:28 PM
picks go here guys (http://bbs.buccaneers.com/showthread.php?t=155881)
also, derek anderson is now on the block..
Phr0z3nBuc
02-26-2008, 04:28 PM
picks go here guys (http://bbs.buccaneers.com/showthread.php?t=155881)
also, derek anderson is now on the block..
He is just showing the format of the picks. So it looks clean and organized.
Phr0z3nBuc
02-26-2008, 04:29 PM
If this kid doesn't hurry up Tampabay will have the pick. :mad:
TampaBay012286
02-26-2008, 04:32 PM
If this kid doesn't hurry up Tampabay will have the pick. :mad:
just let me know if u want to void the trade again & i will start it off
dawgland
02-26-2008, 04:33 PM
why would atlanta trade from 3 to 1 to take a guy who will be there at 3?
Phr0z3nBuc
02-26-2008, 04:34 PM
Order
1. Atlanta Falcons- Calvin Johnson's boytoy
2. St. Louis Rams- FanofTB
3. Miami Dolphins- TB234436753
4. Oakland Raiders- Kfalsey
5. Kansas City Chiefs- Bucko40
6. New York Jets- Clayton80future
7. New England Patriots (f/SF)- Phrosty
8. Baltimore Ravens- chunkylover0211
9. Cincinnati Bengals- Nina27Bucs
10. New Orleans Saints- BucJordan
11. Buffalo Bills- FunkyRooster
12. Denver Broncos- mediator12
13. Carolina Panthers- thejimmy
14. Chicago Bears- bucs14fan
15. Detroit Lions- QuebecBuccsFan
16. Arizona Cardinals- The Xfactor
17. Minnesota Vikings- GiveDanABuc
18. Houston Texans- Jack Sparrow
19. Philadelphia Eagles- Conde54
20. Tampa Bay Buccaneers- Cadillac Kid 22
21. Washington Redskins- SPTBBucFan4Life
22. Dallas Cowboys (f/CLE)- Hawxter19
23. Pittsburgh Steelers- BucFanInKC
24. Tennessee Titans- I HEART BUCS
25. Seattle Seahawks- nensey_zy
26. Jacksonville Jaguars- Jfeldz
27. San Diego Chargers- BucFanInKC
28. Dallas Cowboys- Hawxter19
29. San Francisco 49'ers (f/IND)- FSUbuccaneer06
30. Green Bay Packers- BucsGotGame
31. New England Patriots- Forfeited
32. New York Giants- TampaBay012286
TampaBay012286
02-26-2008, 04:34 PM
nevermind he made the pick, the rams r now on the clock
Phr0z3nBuc
02-26-2008, 04:35 PM
just let me know if u want to void the trade again & i will start it off
No its cool. Thanks for the help overall
Dawg, I don't know. I was hoping to avoid this.
dawgland
02-26-2008, 04:35 PM
yeah thats goin to be the problem with this
TampaBay012286
02-26-2008, 04:36 PM
why would atlanta trade from 3 to 1 to take a guy who will be there at 3?
u will have to ask h-town, but as far as im concerned, he gave the dolphins more than enough :p
UMiamiBucFan
02-26-2008, 04:39 PM
Atlanta trades up to take McFadden? Are you trying to screw the Falcons?
Phr0z3nBuc
02-26-2008, 04:40 PM
Atlanta trades up to take McFadden? Are you trying to screw the Falcons?
No, just an idiot.
TampaBay012286
02-26-2008, 04:46 PM
No, just an idiot.
dolphins fans r ecstatic atleast... they get atlantas 1st, 2nd & 4th round pick and only move down 2 spots! :p
Phr0z3nBuc
02-26-2008, 04:48 PM
dolphins fans r ecstatic atleast... they get atlantas 1st, 2nd & 4th round pick and only move down 2 spots! :p
true dat.
This is slow going considering I made a last second change to give a person who is currently ONLINE the Rams.
TampaBay012286
02-26-2008, 04:50 PM
true dat.
This is slow going considering I made a last second change to give a person who is currently ONLINE the Rams.
i think what we need to do is, if a pick isnt submitted within say like 30 minutes of the team going on the clock, u will make the choice for that team... something to prevent this from dragging on forever :cool:
Phr0z3nBuc
02-26-2008, 04:51 PM
Good pick overall.
I don't like taking a DT two years in a row but whatever.
Long might have been better value when considering Pace's health.
dawgland
02-26-2008, 04:53 PM
dolphins fans r ecstatic atleast... they get atlantas 1st, 2nd & 4th round pick and only move down 2 spots! :p
well if that were the whole trade, i'd say u got ripped off
Phr0z3nBuc
02-26-2008, 04:55 PM
If Ryan was taken I question Beck's future with the Fish.
TampaBay012286
02-26-2008, 04:57 PM
If Ryan was taken I question Beck's future with the Fish.
its hard to gauge how the new staff feels about john beck, but if they like matt ryan enough, they wont hesitate to take him
Phr0z3nBuc
02-26-2008, 04:57 PM
I think the Raiders have to go Ellis on this one. Cali boy that would replace Sapp at undertackle.
dawgland
02-26-2008, 05:02 PM
I think the Raiders have to go Ellis on this one. Cali boy that would replace Sapp at undertackle.
yeah a cali boy wouldn't be bad, but somebody want to tell me who chris long's dad is and what team he played for........
Phr0z3nBuc
02-26-2008, 05:02 PM
yeah a cali boy wouldn't be bad, but somebody want to tell me who chris long's dad is and what team he played for........
Is DE that big of a need?
dawgland
02-26-2008, 05:03 PM
Is DE that big of a need?
there's a saying in football
you can never have too many pass rushers
TampaBay012286
02-26-2008, 05:04 PM
yeah a cali boy wouldn't be bad, but somebody want to tell me who chris long's dad is and what team he played for........
chris long would make perfect sense for oakland, but u cant go wrong with either one i think
Rorschach
02-26-2008, 05:04 PM
I think the Raiders have to go Ellis on this one. Cali boy that would replace Sapp at undertackle.
And the guy making the pick (on here) also went to USC.
Phr0z3nBuc
02-26-2008, 05:05 PM
there's a saying in football
you can never have too many pass rushers
Ellis is a great interior rusher but you already know that and pass rushers can be found in round 2 and 3.
Besides that saying is flying high because of the Giants.
dawgland
02-26-2008, 05:05 PM
well there's a surprise, a USC fan picks sedrick ellis over chris long.....
TampaBay012286
02-26-2008, 05:05 PM
the pick is in, sedrick ellis to oakland
Phr0z3nBuc
02-26-2008, 05:06 PM
The better pick was made.
Carry on.
TampaBay012286
02-26-2008, 05:07 PM
looks like h-town wants to trade mcfadden now, he posted it in the pick thread though
Phr0z3nBuc
02-26-2008, 05:08 PM
leaving for an hour. dawg take over if you want
Rorschach
02-26-2008, 05:09 PM
well there's a surprise, a USC fan picks sedrick ellis over chris long.....
I am horribly predictable.
dawgland
02-26-2008, 05:10 PM
well ellis isn't bad, but there's a talent drop off between d-mac, dorsey, and c-long, and the rest of the draft
bucs14fan
02-26-2008, 05:15 PM
Standing trade offer to these 4 teams who pick directly behind me (Chicago)
15. Detroit Lions- QuebecBuccsFan
16. Arizona Cardinals- The Xfactor
17. Minnesota Vikings- GiveDanABuc
18. Houston Texans- Jack Sparrow
I will swap first round picks with you in return for your 3rd rounder (providing you have one - don't know who doesn't off the top of my head)
I will be gone in a little bit for a while but I will PM a list of players to Phroz3n so I don't hold anything up.
dawgland
02-26-2008, 05:16 PM
1. Atlanta Falcons- Calvin Johnson's boytoy - Darren McFadden
2. St. Louis Rams- FanofTB - Glen Dorsey
3. Miami Dolphins- TB234436753 - Matt Ryan
4. Oakland Raiders- Kfalsey - Sedrick Ellis
5. Kansas City Chiefs- Bucko40
6. New York Jets- Clayton80future
7. New England Patriots (f/SF)- Phrosty
8. Baltimore Ravens- chunkylover0211
9. Cincinnati Bengals- Nina27Bucs
10. New Orleans Saints- BucJordan
11. Buffalo Bills- FunkyRooster
12. Denver Broncos- mediator12
13. Carolina Panthers- thejimmy
14. Chicago Bears- bucs14fan
15. Detroit Lions- QuebecBuccsFan
16. Arizona Cardinals- The Xfactor
17. Minnesota Vikings- GiveDanABuc
18. Houston Texans- Jack Sparrow
19. Philadelphia Eagles- Conde54
20. Tampa Bay Buccaneers- Cadillac Kid 22
21. Washington Redskins- SPTBBucFan4Life
22. Dallas Cowboys (f/CLE)- Hawxter19
23. Pittsburgh Steelers- BucFanInKC
24. Tennessee Titans- I HEART BUCS
25. Seattle Seahawks- nensey_zy
26. Jacksonville Jaguars- Jfeldz
27. San Diego Chargers- BucFanInKC
28. Dallas Cowboys- Hawxter19
29. San Francisco 49'ers (f/IND)- FSUbuccaneer06
30. Green Bay Packers- BucsGotGame
31. New England Patriots- Forfeited
32. New York Giants- TampaBay012286
dawgland
02-26-2008, 05:21 PM
well whoever has Baltimore, Chicago, and Minnesota, I'm too lazy to send out PMs but i'm putting anderson on the block
BucJordan
02-26-2008, 05:29 PM
Wow, it just figures the Lions fan would have to start this thing off the the dumbest trade in the history of the NFL.
Neither Miami nor St. Louis need a RB at all, in fact they both need D lineman bad (and Miami needs a QB if they don't like beck). We should have either stated no trades or had a friggin' review board or something to discuss/vote on trades (Dawg, Phroz3n, me?) because the the draft has already lost its credibility after the 1st pick.
TampaBay012286
02-26-2008, 05:32 PM
Wow, it just figures the Lions fan would have to start this thing off the the dumbest trade in the history of the NFL.
Neither Miami nor St. Louis need a RB at all, in fact they both need D lineman bad (and Miami needs a QB if they don't like beck). We should have either stated no trades or had a friggin' review board or something to discuss/vote on trades (Dawg, Phroz3n, me?) because the the draft has already lost its credibility after the 1st pick.
its all for fun i guess, just how each person interprets what the team they represent is gonna try to do
Conde54
02-26-2008, 05:37 PM
whats the deal how long til we just skip these guys or pick for them?
dawgland
02-26-2008, 05:38 PM
whats the deal how long til we just skip these guys or pick for them?
you in a hurry? the draft is 2 months away
BucJordan
02-26-2008, 05:39 PM
its all for fun i guess, just how each person interprets what the team they represent is gonna try to do
Lol, there's a difference between interpretation and idiocracy. I could understand the Falcons trading up if they really wanted Long, Dorsey, or even Matt Ryan, but of the top 5 prospects McFadden is pretty much the surest to be there at 3. The Dolphins have a very talented Ronnie Brown (and about a thousand other needs, Chris Long is the perfect prospect for them), and St. Louis has Steven flippin' Jackson, a top 5 all around RB.
Dumb, dumb, dumb.
I guess it's my own fault. I have high hopes for these things to turn out interesting and for them to make sense....I'm setting myself up for disappointment.
Maybe closer to the draft we'll do a new mock and only invite those we know to be knowledgeable or at least logical, we can take early FA moves into account and have fun with it.
TampaBay012286
02-26-2008, 05:39 PM
whats the deal how long til we just skip these guys or pick for them?
nothing really was set in stone as for how long each team has to pick, phroz3n should be back soon enough to clarify any questions & keep this as organized as possible
dawgland
02-26-2008, 05:39 PM
if phrozen don't wanna, I'll gladly be the official trade reviewer
TampaBay012286
02-26-2008, 05:40 PM
Lol, there's a difference between interpretation and idiocracy. I could understand the Falcons trading up if they really wanted Long, Dorsey, or even Matt Ryan, but of the top 5 prospects McFadden is pretty much the surest to be there at 3. The Dolphins have a very talented Ronnie Brown (and about a thousand other needs, Chris Long is the perfect prospect for them), and St. Louis has Steven flippin' Jackson, a top 5 all around RB.
Dumb, dumb, dumb.
I guess it's my own fault. I have high hopes for these things to turn out interesting and for them to make sense....I'm setting myself up for disappointment.
Maybe closer to the draft we'll do a new mock and only invite those we know to be knowledgeable or at least logical, we can take early FA moves into account and have fun with it.
im not saying i agree with the pick he made for atlanta whatsoever, but thats what makes these things fun
BucJordan
02-26-2008, 05:41 PM
if phrozen don't wanna, I'll gladly be the official trade reviewer
Be fine with me, there are quite a few people I'd trust with it, including myself and you, but one of the requirements is logic and knowledge of football.
Conde54
02-26-2008, 05:42 PM
its not that im in a hurry, just tried to plan this into my normal life ya know, the kids are gunna want the computer the wife is gunna want to do something. you know how it goes i just saw it going differently. no big deal.
Edit: The driveway needs to be shoveled too.. and the wife and kids are going to do it :(
dawgland
02-26-2008, 05:44 PM
its not that im in a hurry, just tried to plan this into my normal life ya know, the kids are gunna want the computer the wife is gunna want to do something. you know how it goes i just saw it going differently. no big deal.
Edit: The driveway needs to be shoveled too.. and the wife and kids are going to do it :(
well if it was just not timed, that would mean you could come on whenever and make a pick, not have to be here at a certain time.......
BucJordan
02-26-2008, 05:44 PM
its not that im in a hurry, just tried to plan this into my normal life ya know, the kids are gunna want the computer the wife is gunna want to do something. you know how it goes i just saw it going differently. no big deal.
Honestly you could probably get off til quite a bit later tonight and even then you might not be up. If I were you I'd just check in a few hours, then again tomorrow. Honestly, although I'm sure most of us won't take too much time, I don't care if each person gets 24 hours before we pick for them.
TampaBay012286
02-26-2008, 05:47 PM
the other thread is getting littered with unwanted comments, phroz3n wont be too happy when he gets back
BucJordan
02-26-2008, 05:48 PM
Lol, the official pick thread is getting hijacked :p
I wouldn't be opposed to starting it over and voiding a certain trade personally, if not I guess I'll just try and loosen up and take this whole this as more of a joke than anything plausible.
It's like when I was a junior leader for a summer camp one year, half the kids I would organize games for would ignore the rules...annoyed me at first but they still had fun so i gave up :)
TampaBay012286
02-26-2008, 06:07 PM
doing my best to keep this as smoothe as possible, but people post comments in the wrong place anyway lol
TampaBay012286
02-26-2008, 06:09 PM
bucko40, u have the chiefs pick and officially r on the clock, u can submit the selection at any time on the other thread :cool:
bucs14fan
02-26-2008, 06:51 PM
that pick thread has been hijacked by the junior high kids. maybe we can do this during 3rd period history when they'll be busy.
h-town baller
02-26-2008, 07:06 PM
Tell those damn kids to get the hell out of my draft thread.
Conde54
02-26-2008, 07:30 PM
well im out for the night folks, we wont make it to my pick anyways. see you guys all tomorrow!
TampaBay012286
02-26-2008, 07:48 PM
just a reminder to everyone participating, this is the discussion thread where u can say anything u want pertaining to the picks made... the other thread is strictly where the picks get posted, so if u have left a comment there that was not a draft pick sumbission, please delete it ASAP :cool:
TampaBay012286
02-26-2008, 09:25 PM
for those involved in this mock draft, bringing the thread back to the top :cool:
Conde54
02-27-2008, 01:22 PM
*yawn*
Rorschach
02-27-2008, 01:39 PM
yea tell me about it pick 30 seems so close i cant contain myself
If you don't fix you sig you wont be here to see it.
BucsGotGame
02-27-2008, 02:04 PM
is that better?
Rorschach
02-27-2008, 02:05 PM
yup..
BucsGotGame
02-27-2008, 02:05 PM
ok ty very much
TampaBay012286
02-27-2008, 09:29 PM
this is where u can talk about the picks & anything else, the other thread is just for posting the picks... please delete any comments u have posted there if they dont belong :cool:
TampaBay012286
02-28-2008, 12:58 AM
hey phroz3n, u might as well delete the pick thread & start a new one, far too many people getting confused as to where to post picks & where to post comments
Hawxter19
02-28-2008, 01:36 AM
At this rate, I'll be making my picks in about a month.
TampaBay012286
02-28-2008, 01:45 AM
At this rate, I'll be making my picks in about a month.
this will probly take until after the actual draft in my opinion, but its fun nonetheless
BucFan LHT
02-28-2008, 02:12 AM
wow, I dont see the cheifs passing on Jake Long, their OL is abysmal, esp when they have Jarred Allen and tamba hali as DE's.
Java_Thief
02-28-2008, 02:49 AM
wow, I dont see the cheifs passing on Jake Long, their OL is abysmal, esp when they have Jarred Allen and tamba hali as DE's.
Agreed. That pick seemed more like addition by subtraction. The pat want either gholston or c long. With both gone, I'd say Aquib Talib, or maybe even Kenny Phillips. That'd be a coup for phillips, but Matt Light is good at LT (yeah, he got a little abused this season) so I don't see Jake Long here even though he is by far bpa.
Clayton80future
02-29-2008, 10:40 PM
Well, that went nowhere.
BucJordan
02-29-2008, 10:59 PM
Well, that went nowhere.
I'm tellin' you, it all started with the dumbest trade ever.
TampaBay012286
03-01-2008, 01:27 PM
I'm tellin' you, it all started with the dumbest trade ever.
well the falcons r a pretty dumb team :p
Conde54
03-01-2008, 03:12 PM
i nominate these three threads for dumbest thread of the year.
TampaBay012286
03-01-2008, 03:35 PM
i nominate these three threads for dumbest thread of the year.
its only march 1st, lets wait till atleast october or something to hand out "awards" :rolleyes:
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