Freeman declaring for draft

[coldriver10]

According to ESPN...

Kansas State junior quarterback Josh Freeman said Thursday he will enter this spring's NFL draft.

"I've done all the research," said Freeman, who is 6-6, 238 pounds. "Kansas State is starting over and this is what I've always wanted to do. The time is right."

Freeman says he has been told by an NFL advisory committee that he could be a high second-round pick. But Freeman could work his way into the first round because of his prototypical size and arm strength.

Freeman said his decision might have been more difficult if Ron Prince had not been let go, but that playing for Bill Snyder was an attractive possibility, too.

"I hope to bring leadership and toughness to an NFL team," Freeman said.
Do you all see him as being a potential franchise QB? If he has a good combine, would you take him at 19?

[UMiamiBucFan]

I haven't seen a whole lot of him, but Raheem Morris should have a pretty good idea on him.

[Stuck-in-WV]

I haven't seen a whole lot of him, but Raheem Morris should have a pretty good idea on him.

Morris's inside knowledge on him could lead to a pick. But he'd still have to pursuade the FO on it.

[caddy&clayton]

I think he without a doubt could be a franchise QB. He has the size, arm strength, and scrambling ability to be a great QB in this league. I don't care if it's a reach....WE NEED HIM!!!!


But Chucky won't draft a real QB anyway...:(

[UMiamiBucFan]

Morris's inside knowledge on him could lead to a pick. But he'd still have to pursuade the FO on it.

Ehhh...his inside knowledge might also persuade the FO not to draft him. Never know how things really go.

[warrensappisgod]

Hopefully all 4 of the top QBs eligible declare and either him or Sanchez are there for our pick. I think Sanchez would be the safer option, but Freeman has the higher upside. I like both, so I'd be fine with either.

[Stuck-in-WV]

Ehhh...his inside knowledge might also persuade the FO not to draft him. Never know how things really go.

Take that a step further. his inside knowhow on the kid might compell him to tell the FO to avoid the kid for some reason.

[Pantera Canes]

From what I am seeing is he supposedly has all the tools, just not the smarts for it right now. So would still be a project. So possibly would go around our 2nd round pick then.

[h-town baller]

What a game by Sanchez! Hope he declares. It would be foolish not to take a look at him with our first.

[h-town baller]

Freeman was evaluated by the nfl draft committee and told him he could end up being a high second round pick; I could see him work himself into the mid-late first round if he has a good combine. Just like Joe Flacco last year. Some team is gonna fall in love with this guy's physical abilities.

[razorboy]

What a game by Sanchez! Hope he declares. It would be foolish not to take a look at him with our first.

Please stop with Sanchez, people. He will be a below average NFL QB, and if any team takes him in the first round the pick will be viewed as an absolute joke in years to come. I'm tired of explaining this. He isn't Carson Palmer. He isn't even Matt Leinart, who I said would be an joke in the NFL.

[jbucs13]

But Chucky won't draft a real QB anyway...:(

Unless somehow a 40 year old college QB comes out in the draft.

[DeadEagle]

Unless somehow a 40 year old college QB comes out in the draft.


Chris Weinke?

[Chebington]

Please stop with Sanchez, people. He will be a below average NFL QB, and if any team takes him in the first round the pick will be viewed as an absolute joke in years to come. I'm tired of explaining this. He isn't Carson Palmer. He isn't even Matt Leinart, who I said would be an joke in the NFL.

He's just a smart, tall QB with incredible arm strength, experience in a pro style offense, comfort with his progressions, logical pump fakes, and just threw for 400+ yards and scored 5 TDs against one of the best D's in the country.

What a loser.

[IBF '89]

IMO, this guy ends up being a 1st. Probably right around our pick. While many weren't impressed with his play all year long, during the offseason the kid is going to star. He has all of the measurables and will absolutely soar, much like Flacco did last year. He will definitely end up being a high risk, high reward type player. I for one would not be opposed to taking that risk, if he pans out, you could have one heck of a QB. I'm not sure if Allen/Gru will take that risk this year with the heat that will be on them.

Cheb: Not sure I would say he has incredible arm strength, but he can definitely make the throws he will need too. I have very mixed feelings on Sanchez, I think he will enter the draft bc of his performance, just not sure if he would be good here or not yet.

[maryjanewatson]

From what I am seeing is he supposedly has all the tools, just not the smarts for it right now. So would still be a project. So possibly would go around our 2nd round pick then.

No No No No No No NO.

Freeman has a million dollar body/arm, and a ten cent head. How often does that get better?

He's the homeless man's Jamarcus Russell.

[maryjanewatson]

IMO, this guy ends up being a 1st. Probably right around our pick.

If Josh Freeman goes in the top twenty, somebody deserves to be fired.

[DeadEagle]

Freeman is floating between the first and second day.

[maryjanewatson]

Freeman is floating between the first and second day.

About 1 out of every 2 passing plays the kid runs involves saying to yourself, "why didn't he see that guy wide open underneath?" or "I wonder what he was thinking with that one?" That led the nation for me this year.

You know how you watch some QBs, and you just know they're going to find a way to beat you? Freeman has the opposite thing going.

[TBBucs007]

About 1 out of every 2 passing plays the kid runs involves saying to yourself, "why didn't he see that guy wide open underneath?" or "I wonder what he was thinking with that one?" That led the nation for me this year.

You know how you watch some QBs, and you just know they're going to find a way to beat you? Freeman has the opposite thing going.

:lol: ouch

[DeadEagle]

About 1 out of every 2 passing plays the kid runs involves saying to yourself, "why didn't he see that guy wide open underneath?" or "I wonder what he was thinking with that one?" That led the nation for me this year.

You know how you watch some QBs, and you just know they're going to find a way to beat you? Freeman has the opposite thing going.


... and someone, with his physical skills, is going to think they can get something out of him.


If Maurice Clarett can get drafted...... anybody can!

[maryjanewatson]

... and someone, with his physical skills, is going to think they can get something out of him.


If Maurice Clarett can get drafted...... anybody can!

YOU ARE CORRECT SIR!

Some arrogant offensive genius (Holmgren came instantly to mind, but he's retiring) is going to think he can teach Freeman how to be a quarterback and take him 2 rounds too early. Thankfully for us, that's not the MO of our arrogant offensive genius. He'll wait until Freeman has failed somewhere and bounced around, and THEN try and fix him. So we have like 7-8 years to worry about it.

[razorboy]

He's just a smart, tall QB with incredible arm strength, experience in a pro style offense, comfort with his progressions, logical pump fakes, and just threw for 400+ yards and scored 5 TDs against one of the best D's in the country.

What a loser.

Incredible arm strength?! Average at best.

[Chebington]

Incredible arm strength?! Average at best.

Did you watch the Rose Bowl? I'm guessing you didn't, or any other USC games for that matter.

[razorboy]

Did you watch the Rose Bowl? I'm guessing you didn't, or any other USC games for that matter.

I watched every USC game. AVERAGE ARM STRENGTH.

[DeadEagle]

There is nothing special about Sanchez's arm strength. He's #6 on my list of draft eligible QB's. He can make most of the throws, but nothing about it is elite.

The trouble with him, is that he doesn't throw a good ball all the time, even if he has time to set in the pocket. He's guilty of putting too much touch sometimes and I don't like his footwork if he's forced to move in the pocket. He may be able to throw off his back foot at USC, but he gets doing that in the NFL, it'll kill him.

[maryjanewatson]

There is nothing special about Sanchez's arm strength. He's #6 on my list of draft eligible QB's. He can make most of the throws, but nothing about it is elite.

The trouble with him, is that he doesn't throw a good ball all the time, even if he has time to set in the pocket. He's guilty of putting too much touch sometimes and I don't like his footwork if he's forced to move in the pocket. He may be able to throw off his back foot at USC, but he gets doing that in the NFL, it'll kill him.

I may get flamed for this, but I think Booty will be a superior NFL quarterback.

[DeadEagle]

I may get flamed for this, but I think Booty will be a superior NFL quarterback.

Could be.

Sanchez is either going to be a real big waste of time, or at best, a marginal starter ala Kerry Collins.

[Nina27Bucs]

On walterfootball.com, they have Freeman projected as a 2-3 round pick pending his combine workouts. I wouldn't mind the Bucs looking at him in the 3rd as long as we address our WR and DT needs in the first 2 rounds or in FA. I haven't seen Freeman play at all this season or ever but I did check him out on youtube and he looked pretty nice, he throws the ball with a lot of zip.

[JudgeDredd]

This is a very QB thick draft. I expect there to be plenty of stock left around the 3rd round.

[palmbeachpirate]

Chris Weinke?

How about Kirby Freeman!

[maryjanewatson]

On walterfootball.com, they have Freeman projected as a 2-3 round pick pending his combine workouts. I wouldn't mind the Bucs looking at him in the 3rd as long as we address our WR and DT needs in the first 2 rounds or in FA. I haven't seen Freeman play at all this season or ever but I did check him out on youtube and he looked pretty nice, he throws the ball with a lot of zip.

I would rather just stick with Josh Johnson. He's got a year in the system and he's a better fit anyway. If we're not going to take somebody in the first round, I don't see why we should draft a QB.

Much like people should have done with Chris Simms, the question SHOULD be, why does a guy built like a greek god who can throw the ball through a brick wall project to be a mid-rounder?

[h-town baller]

I would rather just stick with Josh Johnson. He's got a year in the system and he's a better fit anyway. If we're not going to take somebody in the first round, I don't see why we should draft a QB.

Much like people should have done with Chris Simms, the question SHOULD be, why does a guy built like a greek god who can throw the ball through a brick wall project to be a mid-rounder?

His decision making, accuracy, and being able to read the defense is questionable with Freeman.

[jmowday]

we shoudl draft sanchez and freeman!!!!!! them become teh laughing stock of the league..well even mor ethan now...sanchez is horrible. he beat penn state that is not saying much...and freeman will never be a good qb. never seen him play just have to look at him.

[NinjaX]

Please stop with Sanchez, people. He will be a below average NFL QB, and if any team takes him in the first round the pick will be viewed as an absolute joke in years to come. I'm tired of explaining this. He isn't Carson Palmer. He isn't even Matt Leinart, who I said would be an joke in the NFL.

Matt Leinart's backup from USC is on line 1...

he says to think again

[nensey_zy]

There are a lot of decent QBs in this draft, but no guys who show the potential to be game breakers outside of Bradford.
You'll find these guys in the second and third round, not in the first round.
I do think Josh Johnson may be a better choice, but at this point we have absolutely nothing on the outside to evaluate him on. We've seem him play very limited preseason action, and while he does have a very good release, the release is not the only part of a top flight QB.
Gruden probably sees it in his best interest to keep his project QB well under wraps so that no one knows how his decision making is progressing.

[maryjanewatson]

Bump.

As you can see, some of us have been excited about Josh Freeman for some time now!

[uscbucsfan]

I was viewing this earlier today...

[maryjanewatson]

I was viewing this earlier today...

Hopefully with your friend the Captain...

[uscbucsfan]

Hopefully with your friend the Captain...

No I have accepted it is what it is and am making the best of it. I will never like the pick until he produces, but I understand it and I am not enraged anymore.


edit: by understand I mean the rationalization that I have created in my head, with Morris at KSU and the Glazer's forcing the hand of locking on to a long term solution at the position

[bcf1968]

Bump.

As you can see, some of us have been excited about Josh Freeman for some time now!

yeah in the early 1930's Germans were excited about Hitler. How'd that work out for them?

[BucJordan]

yeah in the early 1930's Germans were excited about Hitler. How'd that work out for them?

If only you paid ANY attention before posting, you'd realize the glaring sarcasm in the post you quoted.

[razorboy]

Matt Leinart's backup from USC is on line 1...

he says to think again

Good point. Sanchez couldn't even beat out JDB.

[NoAlibi]

Good point. Sanchez couldn't even beat out JDB.

yeah he couldn't...because once Carroll names a starter, the guy remains the starter until he leaves...


but you're right, JDB went in the 5th round...but for some reason the NFL liked his back up so much he went top 5....when really they should have just realized he couldn't even beat out a 5th rounder....

[TheChefO]

If Josh Freeman goes in the top twenty, somebody deserves to be fired.

^^^^^^

[bcf1968]

If only you paid ANY attention before posting, you'd realize the glaring sarcasm in the post you quoted.

Doesn't matter if the person I quoted was being sarcastic what he/she is saying is in fact true whether it applies to her/him or not. And those are the ones my post was directed at.

[coldriver10]

yeah in the early 1930's Germans were excited about Hitler. How'd that work out for them?
A Godwin's law sighting! Sorry folks, this thread has officially been won by bcf.

[caddy&clayton]

I will admit I got excited and jumped the gun when I heard the declared, because I liked the idea of a 1st round QB and had only seen a few of his better games. But as I really started to read into him, watch some more tape, and look into the finer details of his stats (terrible play against good teams, iffy accuracy, etc), I really got turned off of him. But, he is the guy, and I support him 100% and hope for the best.

[buccsmf1]

I will admit I got excited and jumped the gun when I heard the declared, because I liked the idea of a 1st round QB and had only seen a few of his better games. But as I really started to read into him, watch some more tape, and look into the finer details of his stats (terrible play against good teams, iffy accuracy, etc), I really got turned off of him. But, he is the guy, and I support him 100% and hope for the best.

where exactly do you acquire "tape" of freeman? i can't even find highlights let alone full game tape

[coldriver10]

Perhaps our team's draft would have gone differently if I had never started this thread. Or maybe I should have titled it "Everette Brown declaring for draft."

[caddy&clayton]

Perhaps our team's draft would have gone differently if I had never started this thread. Or maybe I should have titled it "Everette Brown declaring for draft."

Or "Jeremy Maclin declaring for draft."

[maryjanewatson]

Or "Jeremy Maclin declaring for draft."

Hey, knock it off! We got the best QB in the Big 12, and the best QB in the draft. Just ask him!

[TornadoRex]

Hey, knock it off! We got the best QB in the Big 12, and the best QB in the draft. Just ask him!

-yawn-

[maryjanewatson]

-yawn-

I'm just trying to smokescreen the fact that Josh is my favorite quarterback on the roster!

What, nothing?

[TornadoRex]

I'm just trying to smokescreen the fact that Josh is my favorite quarterback on the roster!

What, nothing?

Nopity nope.

He's our guy, like it or not...



But it will be much easier the next 5 years to like it.

[maryjanewatson]

Nopity nope.

He's our guy, like it or not...



But it will be much easier the next 5 years to like it.

This WAS my attitude about him - not thrilled, but life is easier if you get on board.

Then he started talking.

I can get past the fact I might THINK he's going to be terrible, and give him a chance not to be.

I'm still working through the fact that I really can't stand the kid.

If his attitude is what passes for "confident" these days, I'm glad I'm old (to quote Al Pacino).

[real bucs fan]

This WAS my attitude about him - not thrilled, but life is easier if you get on board.

Then he started talking.

I can get past the fact I might THINK he's going to be terrible, and give him a chance not to be.

I'm still working through the fact that I really can't stand the kid.

If his attitude is what passes for "confident" these days, I'm glad I'm old (to quote Al Pacino).

Can't stand the kid? Everything I've seen of him has him coming across as a nice young man...

Geez, some people are tough to please...

[NoAlibi]

Can't stand the kid? Everything I've seen of him has him coming across as a nice young man...

Geez, some people are tough to please...

He apparently made a comment about the adopted kid at the draft.

[Naptyme]

where exactly do you acquire "tape" of freeman? i can't even find highlights let alone full game tape

Well the easiest way would be search for "Big12 Defensive highlights". You will see plenty of Freeman and K-state in those.

[irishbucsfan40]

He apparently made a comment about the adopted kid at the draft.

Woah, what?!

[TornadoRex]

Woah, what?!

:rotf:

Michael Oher.

[coldriver10]

:rotf:

Michael Oher.
Do you know what Freeman said about him? Freeman hasn't struck me as cocky (just confident), but if he said something bad about Oher I won't be happy. His story was so moving, and he seems like such a high character guy.

[TornadoRex]

Do you know what Freeman said about him? Freeman hasn't struck me as cocky (just confident), but if he said something bad about Oher I won't be happy. His story was so moving, and he seems like such a high character guy.

He didn't mean anything by it, but when Deion interviewed him on stage he said "I told you I wouldn't be the last guy in the green room."

Deion actually was the one who said it first, Josh just echoed the sentiment.

I highly doubt that he's an *******, it just came out the wrong way.

[TornadoRex]

Oher gets the last laugh though, since he was drafted by one of the 5 most consistent teams in the league and Josh is smack dab in a rebuild.

[irishbucsfan40]

:rotf:

Michael Oher.

I read it completely the wrong way. Thought it was about the kid Curry brought to the draft.

[TornadoRex]

I read it completely the wrong way. Thought it was about the kid Curry brought to the draft.

Yeah, your reaction was good stuff.

[coldriver10]

I highly doubt that he's an *******, it just came out the wrong way.
Ah ok. He just has to learn that everything he says from now on has to be carefully thought out because it'll get picked apart by supporters and critics alike.

[TornadoRex]

Ah ok. He just has to learn that everything he says from now on has to be carefully thought out because it'll get picked apart by supporters and critics alike.

Yup. A little bit of caution on the PR side is all he needs.