Post Your Preliminary Mock Draft Here

[Agent Orange]

Updated-01/07

So that we don't have a bunch of individual threads again this year how about we start with our mocks here up until the combine/free agency. We'll start a new thread after that. I'm only going to do 5 rounds because all of the players haven't declared yet. Here's mine...

Round 1-Michael Johnson 6-7 250 DE, Georgia Tech (45 tackles, 9 sacks, 2 FF, 1 INT, 1 TD)
It's a long shot but if he's still available I'd really like to see us grad him. If he's not there stick with top defensive prospects.
http://alt.coxnewsweb.com/cnishared/tools/shared/mediahub/07/77/51/slideshow_651777_techmuscle.0729_1A.JPG

Round 2-Kenny Britt 6-4 215 WR, Rutgers (87 receptions, 1,371 yards, 7 TDs, 2007 stats...62 receptions 1,232 yards 8 TDs)
I've had a change of heart. I was thinking Juaquin Iglesias here but after thinking about it and looking at our possible needs I think we need a bigger receiver here. With over 2,500 yards and 15 TDs in the last two years Kenny Britt gets my vote for 2nd round pick. This may be a little high depending but I don't want to make the same mistake we did last year. Did I mention this guy's got ups...
http://blog.nj.com/ledgerupdates/__files/2007/09/large_rutg2L.jpg
The other guy in this photo is Jiquan Underwood

Round 3-Jarron Gilbert, 6-6 285 DT/DE, San Jose State (51 tackles, 9 sacks)
Check out the youtube videos on Jarron. There's one on the first page of search results by name that shows him jumping OUT of a pool. It's crazy.

Round 4-Kevin Ellison 6-1 230 SS USC (42 tackles, 1 INT, 2007 stats...57 tackles, 2 sacks, 1 FF, 2 INT)
He was the leading tackler on that defense before he got injured on Nov. 1st. The injury is nothing permanent but it will drop his draft status. Do a search on youtube for him. Check out the hit he put on Desean Jackson.
http://www.trojannyc.com/images/2007/06/14/sw1.jpg

5th Round-Jeremiah Johnson, 5-10 200 RB, Oregon (168 Carries, 1,201 yards, 13 TDs)
Jems like Johnson in the 5th is what makes your draft a success or a failure. No need to overspend on flashy big names when you can find producers in the 5th round.
http://media.collegepublisher.com/media/paper859/stills/pa5z1l60.jpg

6th Round-Tiquan Underwood 6-2 185 WR, Rutgers (40 receptions 494 yards 5 TDs, 2007 stats...65 rec 1,100 yards 7 TDs)
Don't want you to think I'm a Rutgers homer or something. I'm a USF fan. He's the 2nd big receiver from Rutgers. His stats fell this year while Britt's increased but last year his stats were excellent. He's got the ups as well and since we need receivers and he's got size and talent we should make him our 6th round pick.
http://a3.vox.com/6a00c22529a15a8e1d00e398a352930004-500pi

7th Round-Best Available linebacker/BPA

[uscbucsfan]

Ive seen mocks having CJ go late first round/early second....so yes that would be a steal

[stuod]

cj, second round for sure.

[DeadEagle]

NFL Round 1

1 - DET: Stafford, Matthew - QB - Georgia
2 - STL: Smith, Andre - OL - Alabama
3 - KC: Orakpo, Brian - DE - Texas
4 - SEA: Mays, Taylor - FS - USC
5 - CLE: Curry, Aaron - OLB - Wake Forest
6 - CIN: Oher, Michael - OL - Mississippi
7 - OAK: Crabtree, Michael - WR - Texas Tech
8 - JAX: Monroe, Eugene - OL - Virginia
9 - GB: Jenkins, Malcolm - CB - Ohio State
10 - SF: Smith, Jason - OL - Baylor
11 - BUF: Brown, Everette - DE - Florida State
12 - DEN: Maualuga, Rey - ILB - USC
13 - WAS: Britton, Eben - T - Arizona
14 - NO: Moore, William - FS - Missouri
15 - HOU: Laurinaitis, James - ILB - Ohio State
16 - SD: Robinson, Duke - OL - Oklahoma
17 - NYJ: Davis, Vontae - CB - Illinois
18 - CHI: Johnson, Michael - DE - Georgia Tech
19 - TB: Wells, Chris - RB - Ohio State
20 - DET: Mack, Alex - OL - California
21 - ARI: Moreno, Knowshon - RB - Georgia
22 - PHI: Black, Ciron - OL - LSU
23 - MIN: Moore, D.J. - CB - Vanderbilt
24 - NE: Harris, Victor - CB - Virginia Tech
25 - ATL: Spikes, Brandon - ILB - Florida
26 - MIA: Chung, Patrick - SS - Oregon
27 - BAL: Heyward-Bey, Darrius - WR - Maryland
28 - IND: Marks, Sen'Derrick - DT - Auburn
29 - PHI: Pettigrew, Brandon - TE - Oklahoma St.
30 - PIT: Unger, Max - OL - Oregon
31 - NYG: Maclin, Jeremy - WR - Missouri
32 - TEN: Harvin, Percy - WR - Florida



Remaining notable Bucs selections:

Round 2 - Evander (Ziggy) Hood - DT - Missouri
Round 3 - Louis Murphy - WR - Florida
Round 4 - Phillip Hunt - DE - Houston
Round 5 - John Phillips - TE - Virginia
Round 6 - Terrill Byrd - DT - Cincinnati


This is assuming we lose Michael Clayton, Kevin Carter, Jovan Haye, Jeff Garcia to free agency and we re-sign Antonio Bryant, Phillip Buchanon, Donald Penn and Jermaine Phillips with not many notable free agency acquisitions.

[Agent Orange]

DeadEagle, did you forget Sam Bradford or is he staying in school in your draft?

[coldriver10]

DE, just curious, why do you have Maclin falling so far? Personally, if he's there and we don't go QB, I'd love to take him.

[Legacy]

Round 5-CJ Spiller, 5-11 190 RB, Clemson
We'll need more depth at RB. He's a solid back that can run and catch out of the backfield. At this point in the draft if he's still available it would be a steal.
No offense, but you really ought to look into where players are projected to go before you start one of these. As uscbucsfan said, Spiller is projected to go around where Chris Johnson went last year, so getting him in the 5th round would be absolutely ridiculous.

Hell, if we don't draft a RB in the 1st, I'd be ok with taking Spiller in the 2nd depending on the quality of prospects on the board for other positions of need.

[DeadEagle]

AO, unfortunately, I don't think Bradford will declare. He may with a good performance and a win next week, but I'm not so sure he does at this point.


CR, if we re-sign Antonio Bryant, it really eliminates the need for Maclin, or Heyward-Bey. Harvin is a non-starter with me. Plus, I think Beanie Wells is a far more valuable and dangerous weapon for us at that point. Small redemption for us there too, making up for passing on Steven Jackson. The loss of Clayton and Galloway makes WR a need, and I do think very highly of Louis Murphy. He's got the same size and speed as DHB and Maclin, but he's a better route runner and has better hands. Due to the Gator offense, he is underutilized, and that affects the perception of his prospects.

[caddy&clayton]

Just for the Bucs

Oh, and this is just my wish list. I don't honestly expect the Bucs FO to do this....so don't worry.
1) Josh Freeman, QB, Kansas State (I don't care if this is a reach, I love this kid. He looks like Donovan mcnabb to me)
2) Evander Hood, DT, Missouri
3) Matt Shaugnessy, DE, Wisconsin
4) George Hypolite, DT, Colorado
5) Larry English, DE, Northern Illinois
6) Terril Byrd, DT, Cincinatti
7) Probably some WR

EDIT: And as for Freeman, I know that a lot of people here have negative feelings towards him, but I read that the underclassmen comittee projects him as a high second rounder who could work his way up to the first round. With his measurables, I think he can do that easily.

[TornadoRex]

I would hope that if Sen' Derrick Marks is still around when we pick, we take him.

Wells wouldn't make me cry, either. We need some BPA on the offensive side real bad.

[Faithwarrior]

Just for the Bucs


1) Josh Freeman, QB, Kansas State (I don't care if this is a reach, I love this kid. He looks like Donovan mcnabb to me)
2) Evander Hood, DT, Missouri
3) Matt Shaugnessy, DE, Wisconsin
4) George Hypolite, DT, Colorado
5) Larry English, DE, Northern Illinois
6) Terril Byrd, DT, Cincinatti
7) Probably some WR

EDIT: And as for Freeman, I know that a lot of people here have negative feelings towards him, but I read that the underclassmen comittee projects him as a high second rounder who could work his way up to the first round. With his measurables, I think he can do that easily.

can i ask why we would take 3 DTs? and then two DEs? i would be so terribly disappointed if we did that. I understand we need some help on Def but look at the offense on the field, does it really strike fear in anyones def? absolutely not. We really need an explosive player on offense out of this draft. Depending on who actaully declares and who is availible where we pick... i'd like to see Maclin, DHB, Crabtree, or Spiller. I can honestly say tho i wouldn't be opposed to some Seminole action with Brown. I think Brown and Adams could cause some problems for opposing offenses. However if we do indeed take Def with the first round, we sure has heck better take a offensive difference maker in the second

[uscbucsfan]

Just for the Bucs


1) Josh Freeman, QB, Kansas State (I don't care if this is a reach, I love this kid. He looks like Donovan mcnabb to me)
2) Evander Hood, DT, Missouri
3) Matt Shaugnessy, DE, Wisconsin
4) George Hypolite, DT, Colorado
5) Larry English, DE, Northern Illinois
6) Terril Byrd, DT, Cincinatti
7) Probably some WR

EDIT: And as for Freeman, I know that a lot of people here have negative feelings towards him, but I read that the underclassmen comittee projects him as a high second rounder who could work his way up to the first round. With his measurables, I think he can do that easily.

i don't like it one bit....

[caddy&clayton]

can i ask why we would take 3 DTs? and then two DEs? i would be so terribly disappointed if we did that. I understand we need some help on Def but look at the offense on the field, does it really strike fear in anyones def? absolutely not. We really need an explosive player on offense out of this draft. Depending on who actaully declares and who is availible where we pick... i'd like to see Maclin, DHB, Crabtree, or Spiller. I can honestly say tho i wouldn't be opposed to some Seminole action with Brown. I think Brown and Adams could cause some problems for opposing offenses. However if we do indeed take Def with the first round, we sure has heck better take a offensive difference maker in the second

I know a lot of people don't, but I think Freeman can be that guy. As I said, he reminds me a lot of McNabb, who was really good for a long time in Philly with little to no help.

The reason I put so much emphasis on the DL is because I believe that a strong DL will make you a winner instantly. And outside of one player, we don't have any DL's even worth considering for the future.

[Jack Sparrow]

AO, unfortunately, I don't think Bradford will declare. He may with a good performance and a win next week, but I'm not so sure he does at this point.


CR, if we re-sign Antonio Bryant, it really eliminates the need for Maclin, or Heyward-Bey. Harvin is a non-starter with me. Plus, I think Beanie Wells is a far more valuable and dangerous weapon for us at that point. Small redemption for us there too, making up for passing on Steven Jackson. The loss of Clayton and Galloway makes WR a need, and I do think very highly of Louis Murphy. He's got the same size and speed as DHB and Maclin, but he's a better route runner and has better hands. Due to the Gator offense, he is underutilized, and that affects the perception of his prospects.



bradford will come out.......and he'll go to san francisco.

[TornadoRex]

bradford will come out.......and he'll go to san francisco.

ehhhh... There are a few factors going against that thought.

They like Shaun Hill a lot, they have a lot of other needs, and Bradford just might stay one more year.

[Jack Sparrow]

ehhhh... There are a few factors going against that thought.

They like Shaun Hill a lot, they have a lot of other needs, and Bradford just might stay one more year.


i know....but i dont think he will......his stock for next year couldnt be better than it is right now....severall teams in the top 5 have qb need.....staying one more year puts is stock in jeopardy(brian brohm).....so as his health....i'd be surprised if he doesnt enter teh draft.....the millions are there for him....

[Agent Orange]

No offense, but you really ought to look into where players are projected to go before you start one of these. As uscbucsfan said, Spiller is projected to go around where Chris Johnson went last year, so getting him in the 5th round would be absolutely ridiculous.

Hell, if we don't draft a RB in the 1st, I'd be ok with taking Spiller in the 2nd depending on the quality of prospects on the board for other positions of need.

I've seen him going in several places in updated mocks. I was up till 2:00 am doing the research and I wasn't having beers. I made the comment about him being there because of this. Either way I think we should go running back there. Besides that you never know what can happen. There's been plenty of players that were thought to be 2-3 round guys that weren't even drafted. What do you think about the rest of my draft? Did you check out the videos?

Edit: Another guy I like late is Demetrius Byrd WR LSU. He made a lot of the plays that won them the national championship last year but he seems to have fallen off the map a little on draft boards.

[uscbucsfan]

I've seen him going in several places in updated mocks. I was up till 2:00 am doing the research and I wasn't having beers. I made the comment about him being there because of this. Either way I think we should go running back there. Besides that you never know what can happen. There's been plenty of players that were thought to be 2-3 round guys that weren't even drafted. What do you think about the rest of my draft? Did you check out the videos?

i liked the rest....we may need to get a RB in the 3rd/4th...but overall i liked the picks....i mean if it really happen, I would love it, lol getting a RB like that so late

[Jack Sparrow]

is mccoy comming out?

[Legacy]

is mccoy comming out?
Nope and neither is Shipley, who I'd really like to have. Both have stated definitively that they're going to be returning to Texas for another season.

[Jack Sparrow]

Nope and neither is Shipley, who I'd really like to have. Both have stated definitively that they're going to be returning to Texas for another season.


damn...is if brafdord stays ( he wont, but if im worng and he does)....then our mark sanhez would be the 2 best qb in the draft....

[Acacius]

My guaranteed-to-look-laughable-by-next-month-at-the-latest Bucs draft (Ooh, 'tis the season for people to start whining about how these aren't actually mocks!):

1- Sen'Derrick Marks, DT Auburn
For better or worse, I don't really expect the Bucs to make dramatic shifts in their defensive personnel philosophy, so I'm not sure they go after a guy like Raji even if he's there. I don't really have a strong opinion on Marks one way or the other, but he does fit the classic profile of the slightly undersized tackles the team tends to go for. And God knows we need help on the defensive line.

2 - Macho Harris - CB VT
Now THERE'S a football name! :p Actually, I'm very tempted to go halfback here. I don't really like the idea of not drafting offense on the first day, and since I have no faith in the team's ability to draft and develop a wide receiver, that would be a relatively reasonable way to go. But even if we assume that the team resigns Buchanon, the team's cornerback depth scares me. Unless Graham's injury is more serious that the team is letting on, I think they'd probably be better off waiting a bit later to think about drafting another runner.

3 - James Davis - RB Clem
Spiller would probably be the better fit for the team, but it isn't as if Gruden hasn't shown a willingness to draft guys without a whole lot of experience as receivers out of the backfield, despite the way he likes to use them. I'd also feel better if he'd been injury-free through college, but how could you not like the guy who created Garfield?

4 - Michael Bennett - DE TAMU
Ok, I admit. I picked this guy mostly because the name amused me. But the defensive line still needs more help. I expect Carter to retire, and another DE to add into the mix would be a good thing. As for the specific player, meh. It's January. These are all going to be wrong anyways; I might as well go for the cheap laugh, even if I'm the only one doing so.

5 - Brock Bolen - FB Louisville
Insurance against Askew going down again.

6 - Garrett Reynolds - OT NC
I can't see the team not spending any picks on the offensive line. As for the player, pretty much picked out of a hat.

7 - Why are you still reading this?

[jbucs13]

NFL Round 1

1 - DET: Stafford, Matthew - QB - Georgia
2 - STL: Smith, Andre - OL - Alabama
3 - KC: Orakpo, Brian - DE - Texas
4 - SEA: Mays, Taylor - FS - USC
5 - CLE: Curry, Aaron - OLB - Wake Forest
6 - CIN: Oher, Michael - OL - Mississippi
7 - OAK: Crabtree, Michael - WR - Texas Tech
8 - JAX: Monroe, Eugene - OL - Virginia
9 - GB: Jenkins, Malcolm - CB - Ohio State
10 - SF: Smith, Jason - OL - Baylor
11 - BUF: Brown, Everette - DE - Florida State
12 - DEN: Maualuga, Rey - ILB - USC
13 - WAS: Britton, Eben - T - Arizona
14 - NO: Moore, William - FS - Missouri
15 - HOU: Laurinaitis, James - ILB - Ohio State
16 - SD: Robinson, Duke - OL - Oklahoma
17 - NYJ: Davis, Vontae - CB - Illinois
18 - CHI: Johnson, Michael - DE - Georgia Tech
19 - TB: Wells, Chris - RB - Ohio State
20 - DET: Mack, Alex - OL - California
21 - ARI: Moreno, Knowshon - RB - Georgia
22 - PHI: Black, Ciron - OL - LSU
23 - MIN: Moore, D.J. - CB - Vanderbilt
24 - NE: Harris, Victor - CB - Virginia Tech
25 - ATL: Spikes, Brandon - ILB - Florida
26 - MIA: Chung, Patrick - SS - Oregon
27 - BAL: Heyward-Bey, Darrius - WR - Maryland
28 - IND: Marks, Sen'Derrick - DT - Auburn
29 - PHI: Pettigrew, Brandon - TE - Oklahoma St.
30 - PIT: Unger, Max - OL - Oregon
31 - NYG: Maclin, Jeremy - WR - Missouri
32 - TEN: Harvin, Percy - WR - Florida



Remaining notable Bucs selections:

Round 2 - Evander (Ziggy) Hood - DT - Missouri
Round 3 - Louis Murphy - WR - Florida
Round 4 - Phillip Hunt - DE - Houston
Round 5 - John Phillips - TE - Virginia
Round 6 - Terrill Byrd - DT - Cincinnati


This is assuming we lose Michael Clayton, Kevin Carter, Jovan Haye, Jeff Garcia to free agency and we re-sign Antonio Bryant, Phillip Buchanon, Donald Penn and Jermaine Phillips with not many notable free agency acquisitions.

Dont think it will happen but I would be pleased with it. But maybe choose another reciever then murphey

[mr.fusion]

Dont think it will happen but I would be pleased with it. But maybe choose another reciever then murphey

I wouldn't mind seeing that kid Derrick Williams from PSU in the second rd......blazing speed and a real playmaker

[jbucs13]

I wouldn't mind seeing that kid Derrick Williams from PSU in the second rd......blazing speed and a real playmaker
Love the idea comin from a Penn State fan myself. But I definately dont think he is a second round pick. Maybe third at best. He has got some talent though, there is no doubt about that.

[Jack Sparrow]

Love the idea comin from a Penn State fan myself. But I definately dont think he is a second round pick. Maybe third at best. He has got some talent though, there is no doubt about that.


joaquin iglesias...he looks good.


as for the first round.....im all for either a QB or a DT....the only player that will be too good to pass up its moreno the running back.....now, that is the best player of the draft.

[jbucs13]

joaquin iglesias...he looks good.


as for the first round.....im all for either a QB or a DT....the only player that will be too good to pass up its moreno the running back.....now, that is the best player of the draft.

I think we should get a QB next year.
My mind could change though if you name a QB that we actually have a chance of getting.

Oh and by the way Crabtree is likely to go into the draft from what Ive heard

[mr.fusion]

Love the idea comin from a Penn State fan myself. But I definately dont think he is a second round pick. Maybe third at best. He has got some talent though, there is no doubt about that.

What's the knock on him? Size?

As bad as we need help on D, this team NEEDS playmakers on offense. I'm hoping we can handle the defense through free agency and add some playmaking skill players in the draft

[jbucs13]

What's the knock on him? Size?

As bad as we need help on D, this team NEEDS playmakers on offense. I'm hoping we can handle the defense through free agency and add some playmaking skill players in the draft

I cant think of a specific bad point about him but I can think of a lot of players better than him. I watched every game of Penn States that I could this year and he just isnt a second rounder in my opinion.

Dont get me wrong I think he is great and I love his playmaking ability. It would be a complete steal if we pick him up in the third round. But I think he will be around them. There are to many other good recievers to be picked in the second.

[mr.fusion]

I cant think of a specific bad point about him but I can think of a lot of players better than him. I watched every game of Penn States that I could this year and he just isnt a second rounder in my opinion.

Dont get me wrong I think he is great and I love his playmaking ability. It would be a complete steal if we pick him up in the third round. But I think he will be around them. There are to many other good recievers to be picked in the second.

This draft is DEEP for WR's........much more so than the last few years.

[DeadEagle]

I wouldn't mind seeing that kid Derrick Williams from PSU in the second rd......blazing speed and a real playmaker


Louis Murphy is faster than Derrick Williams, 2-3 inches taller and has way better hands.


It's funny.... Derrick Williams is more the typical Gator WR than Murphy is.

[jbucs13]

This draft is DEEP for WR's........much more so than the last few years.

Thats why I think we should draft two.

If we dont resign Bryant and Galloway goes than look what we are stuck with

1. Hilliard
2. Clayton
3. Stovall
4. Someone from the practice squad most likely

Wow! No one would be able to blame our QB if he does bad. Besides Hilliard they all suck.

[mr.fusion]

Louis Murphy is faster than Derrick Williams,


Not sure if I'm correct about this, but didn't Williams run a sub 4.3 coming out of high school? If Murphy is faster than him, then---- whoa!

I don't know why, but I'm a big fan of Williams.......reminds me of Steve Smith a little

[DeadEagle]

Thats why I think we should draft two.

If we dont resign Bryant and Galloway goes than look what we are stuck with

1. Hilliard
2. Clayton
3. Stovall
4. Someone from the practice squad most likely

Wow! No one would be able to blame our QB if he does bad. Besides Hilliard they all suck.



We could conceivably lose Bryant, Clayton and Galloway in the next couple months.


That, obviously, would affect our drafting in April. Bryant is key. Gotta get him long term.

[DeadEagle]

Not sure if I'm correct about this, but didn't Williams run a sub 4.3 coming out of high school? If Murphy is faster than him, then---- whoa!

I don't know why, but I'm a big fan of Williams.......reminds me of Steve Smith a little


No, not a sub-4.3, but a sub-4.4. And he's put on 20-25lbs since that time. He'll clock in around that 4.4 this off-season. Murphy, last I heard, clocks in around 4.3, and is looking to be in Chris Johnson range by Combine time.


Williams, just needs to be a little more crisp in his routes to be effective.

[Agent Orange]

What's the knock on him? Size?

As bad as we need help on D, this team NEEDS playmakers on offense. I'm hoping we can handle the defense through free agency and add some playmaking skill players in the draft

I'm hoping for the opposite. At least guys that we get on the defensive side of the draft will have a chance to play and play well next year if we draft well. On offense they have to learn Gruden's system or we have to dumb it down for them and unless they are on the line, which I don't want early in the draft, then they'll probably be watching next year. If we keep Bryant I don't mind us spending a 2nd or 3rd rounder on a receiver but if Bryant leaves that obvious either forces us to spend big in free agency for a receiver, keep what else we have, or draft one with our first rounder. Otherwise our receiving core is going to be terrible next year.

[h-town baller]

Gonna wait till after Jan 15. That way I will know all the Juniors who are declaring for the draft.

[Agent Orange]

Gonna wait till after Jan 15. That way I will know all the Juniors who are declaring for the draft.

This is just the preliminary thread. We'll start another thread once the combine goes down and everybody's declared.

[coldriver10]

I think if we could get Donovan Tate in the 5th round, that'd be a real steal. Maclin in the first (or Murphy/Iglesias in the 2nd if we go QB in the first, which I think we should do) and Tate in the later rounds and we would have greatly improved our WR corps.

[mistalongtran]

1. Peria Jerry - DT - Mississippi
2. Demarcus Granger - DT - Oklahoma
3. Trade to Kansas City for Larry Johnson

Sign Julius Peppers, Jordan Gross, Angelo Crowell, and Shane Lechler.
Resign Antonio Bryant, Jeff Garcia, Jeramy Stevens, Phillip Buchanon, Jermaine Phillips, and B.J. Askew.

Next year draft Dez Bryant - WR - Oklahoma State

[Brain]

Is it possible to draft an Offensive Coordinator? I still think that a major part of this teams problems on offense can be directly attributed to Gruden's playbook. Simplify it a bit, get a receiver to through a pass to farther than 10 yards down the field and you may be amazed to find what happens to our running game.

I'd like to see Maclin or DHB in the first and the best available DT in the second. This way you spread the opponents defense just a bit and force them to not put 8 in the box and call Gruden's bluff of a deep ball. I suppose I could also live with Marks or Jerry in the first and Inglesias or Murphy in the second. After day one, I'm hoping for another CB and RB. I don't think that getting a QB in the 4th or 5th is going to help our team much, hopefully we can pick someone up during FA.

The one last part of my wish list is that Gruden isn't coaching any of our draft picks next year. Wishful thinking and a topic for another forum.

[warrensappisgod]

CR, if we re-sign Antonio Bryant, it really eliminates the need for Maclin, or Heyward-Bey. Harvin is a non-starter with me. Plus, I think Beanie Wells is a far more valuable and dangerous weapon for us at that point. Small redemption for us there too, making up for passing on Steven Jackson. The loss of Clayton and Galloway makes WR a need, and I do think very highly of Louis Murphy. He's got the same size and speed as DHB and Maclin, but he's a better route runner and has better hands. Due to the Gator offense, he is underutilized, and that affects the perception of his prospects.

Same speed as Maclin and DHB? Not even close IMO. He's fast, but those guys are on a whole different level. And I don't think much of DHB at this point, but the guy is blazing! Maclin's acceleration is 2nd to few also. Murphy is fast, but he strikes me as JAG. Solid all around, but not a real standout in anything. I think Maclin is just as good a route runner, but gets more separation. All three have comparable hands.

Also, if we pass on a UT prospect like Marks for a 1st round back, I'm going to be PO'd. We spent how much on this line full of guys who were supposed to create a running game themselves? And how many teams have success with 2nd, 3rd, 4th round RBs? Are we going to need a1st round run blocking TE and a first round fullback too in order to remedy the run game? I do think we need a boost in the run game, but we can't keep throwing premium picks at trying to find a run game while our run defense and passing game have fallen to pieces. Especially with Graham coming back from injury, which hurt our run game more than anything....

[warrensappisgod]

Edit: Another guy I like late is Demetrius Byrd WR LSU. He made a lot of the plays that won them the national championship last year but he seems to have fallen off the map a little on draft boards.

What do you consider "late" for Byrd? I don't think he makes it out of round 3.

[Agent Orange]

What do you consider "late" for Byrd? I don't think he makes it out of round 3.

4th or 5th round. He could be a guy who slips because LSU has been off the radar this year.

[h-town baller]

4th or 5th round. He could be a guy who slips because LSU has been off the radar this year.

Orange I like the Terrance Cody pick. He would give us that interior presence we have been lacking in the middle since Sapp left. Not sure if he will declare though. If he doesn't Perry or Marks would be a nice fit for this defense. However I wish we could draft a QB with our first rounder...

[jbucs13]

1. Peria Jerry - DT - Mississippi
2. Demarcus Granger - DT - Oklahoma
3. Trade to Kansas City for Larry Johnson

Sign Julius Peppers, Jordan Gross, Angelo Crowell, and Shane Lechler.
Resign Antonio Bryant, Jeff Garcia, Jeramy Stevens, Phillip Buchanon, Jermaine Phillips, and B.J. Askew.

Next year draft Dez Bryant - WR - Oklahoma State

KC will definately want more than a third round pick for Johnson.

[DeadEagle]

Same speed as Maclin and DHB? Not even close IMO. He's fast, but those guys are on a whole different level. And I don't think much of DHB at this point, but the guy is blazing! Maclin's acceleration is 2nd to few also. Murphy is fast, but he strikes me as JAG. Solid all around, but not a real standout in anything. I think Maclin is just as good a route runner, but gets more separation. All three have comparable hands.




All 3 players have been clocked between 4.3 and 4.35. If that's not the same, and if you really wanna believe that 0.05 of a second is such a definitive edge, then be my guest. That's the same speed to me. DHB and Murphy are both 6'2", 205lbs, and Maclin is an inch and 5lbs less.

Heyward-Bey does not play in a prolific offense, and Murphy is not part of a prolific passing attack. Maclin plays in an offense where he IS the threat. If we're looking for elements to their games that can be used to differentiate them, we're looking at route running and hands. DHB struggles with running sharp routes and Maclin has have been know to drop passes. That's been their knocks. Murphy runs good routes and has very good hands.

Only reason Murphy isn't being talked about in the first round is production, and he won't get alot of that in the Gator offense, as it's based almost solely around Tim Tebow.



As off season workouts progress, especially at the Senior Bowl, he'll likely start ascending the draft boards. Call it an intuition.

[mistalongtran]

KC will definately want more than a third round pick for Johnson.

I read somewhere that KC could be looking at a 3rd, possibly a 2nd rounder in exchange. Bruce Allen always drops low ball offers, so i'm going with one here.

[Nina27Bucs]

AO, unfortunately, I don't think Bradford will declare. He may with a good performance and a win next week, but I'm not so sure he does at this point.

I think it would actually be better for us if Bradford stays in school for another year. I think we would have a much better shot at him next year. Just my opinion...

[caddy&clayton]

I'm bored. Get over it.

The Bucs pick is not the "wish list" I posted yesterday. This is more what I expect.

1 - DET: Sam Bradford, QB, Oklahoma
2 - STL: Andre Smith, OT, Alabama
3 - KC: Brian Orakpo, DE, Texas
4 - SEA: Matt Stafford, QB, Georgia
5 - CLE: Aaron Curry, LB, Wake Forest
6 - CIN: Chris Wells, RB, Ohio State
7 - OAK: Michael Crabtree, WR, Texas Tech
8 - JAX: Eugene Monroe, OT, Virginia
9 - GB: Malcom Jenkins, CB, Ohio State
10 - SF: Everette Brown, DE, Florida State
11 - BUF: Michael Johnson, DE, Georgia Tech
12 - DEN: Rey Maualuga, LB, USC
13 - WAS: Michael Oher, OT, Ole Miss
14 - NO: Taylor Mays, S, USC
15 - HOU: Vontae Davis, CB, Illinois
16 - SD: Duke Robinson, OG, Oklahoma
17 - NYJ: Jeremy Maclin, WR, Missouri
18 - CHI: Darrius Heyward-Bey, WR, Marlyand
19 - TB: Peria Jerry, DT, Ole Miss
20 - DET: SenDerrick Marks, DT, Aurburn
21 - ARI: Knowshon Moreno, RB, Georgia
22 - PHI: Jermaine Gresham, TE, Oklahoma
23 - MIN: Jason Smith, OT, Baylor
24 - NE: Alphonso Smith, CB, Wake Forest
25 - ATL: BJ Raji, DT, Boston College
26 - MIA: James Lauranitis, LB, Ohio State
27 - BAL: Percy Harvin, WR, Florida
28 - PHI: William Moore, S, Missouri
29 - IND: Alex Mack, C, California
30 - PIT: Ciron Black, OT, Louisiana State
31 - NYG: Brian Cushing, LB, USC
32 - TEN: Brandon Pettigrew, TE, Oklahoma State


A few of those picks I had truly no clue, but I thought I had a good idea on most of them.


EDIT: After Legacy showing me my moronic mistake by leaving out Curry, I'll just say Hardy doesn't come out so I can avoid having to go back and completley mix up half my picks.

[h-town baller]

I'm bored. Get over it.

The Bucs pick is not the "wish list" I posted yesterday. This is more what I expect.

1 - DET: Sam Bradford, QB, Oklahoma
2 - STL: Andre Smith, OT, Alabama
3 - KC: Brian Orakpo, DE, Texas
4 - SEA: Matt Stafford, QB, Georgia
5 - CLE: Michael Jenkins, CB, Ohio State
6 - CIN: Chris Wells, RB, Ohio State
7 - OAK: Michael Crabtree, WR, Texas Tech
8 - JAX: Eugene Monroe, OT, Virginia
9 - GB: Everette Brown, DE, Forida State
10 - SF: Michael Johnson, DE, Georgia Tech
11 - BUF: Greg Hardy, DE, Ole Miss
12 - DEN: Rey Maualuga, LB, USC
13 - WAS: Michael Oher, OT, Ole Miss
14 - NO: Taylor Mays, S, USC
15 - HOU: Vontae Davis, CB, Illinois
16 - SD: Duke Robinson, OG, Oklahoma
17 - NYJ: Jeremy Maclin, WR, Missouri
18 - CHI: Darrius Heyward-Bey, WR, Marlyand
19 - TB: Peria Jerry, DT, Ole Miss
20 - DET: SenDerrick Marks, DT, Aurburn
21 - ARI: Knowshon Moreno, RB, Georgia
22 - PHI: Jermaine Gresham, TE, Oklahoma
23 - MIN: Jason Smith, OT, Baylor
24 - NE: Alphonso Smith, CB, Wake Forest
25 - ATL: BJ Raji, DT, Boston College
26 - MIA: James Lauranitis, LB, Ohio State
27 - BAL: Percy Harvin, WR, Florida
28 - PHI: William Moore, S, Missouri
29 - IND: Alex Mack, C, California
30 - PIT: Ciron Black, OT, Louisiana State
31 - NYG: Brian Cushing, LB, USC
32 - TEN: Brandon Pettigrew, TE, Oklahoma State


A few of those picks I had truly no clue, but I thought I had a good idea on most of them.

Damn. This is a pretty good mock draft. However if I had the choice to take Perry or Marks I would have to go with marks.

[WyoBuccNasty]

Only have 4 picks so far but here is what I have. Will come back and add the rest as I figure this whole mess out.


1. Peria Jerry, DT, Mississippi
Do I even need to explain why?

2.Darrius Heyward-Bey, WR, Maryland
Darrius Heyward-Bey could be the fastest player in the entire draft. The upside is amazing, the improvement he has shown in three years as a Terp, is no reason to expect the growth to stop now. With his package of skills, Heyward-Bey has a shot to go very high in the draft, possibly being the first receiver selected if Crabtree returns to Texas Tech.

3.Rylan Reed, OT, Texas Tech
Goodbye to starting True.

12/12/08 - 2008 WALTER CAMP FOOTBALL FOUNDATION FIRST TEAM ALL-AMERICAN: OL Rylan Reed, Texas Tech Sr., has been selected First Team Walter Camp All-American by the Walter Camp Football Foundation for the 2008 college football season. Reed emerged this season as one of the more dominant tackles in the country, protecting Harrell's blind side and allowing only one sack in over 500 passing attempts by Harrell. He also anchored an offensive line that helped produce ten 100-yard rushing games for the first time since 1979. Reed's contributions along the line have also earned him several All-Big 12 Conference mentions. The offensive unit produced one of the nation's leading total offenses and passing offenses. - Texas Tech football

4. Graham Harrell, QB, Texas Tech

01/02/09 - Texas Tech quarterback Graham Harrell has accepted an invitation to play in the Senior Bowl, game officials announced Thursday. The game will be played at 6 p.m. Jan. 24 at Ladd-Peebles Stadium and will be televised by the NFL Network. Harrell will arrive in Mobile later this month as the most prolific passer in Texas Tech history. He set school records this season for career touchdown passes (130) and career touchdowns responsible for (142). Harrell is also the Red Raiders' all-time leading passer with 15,429 yards, which is second on the NCAA's all-time list. Harrell won the Johnny Unitas Golden Arm Award, given annually to the top senior quarterback in the nation, and was a first-team selection on the American Football Coaches Association's All-American team. Harrell and the Red Raiders (11-1) face Ole Miss today in the Cotton Bowl. Harrell has 4,747 passing yards and 41 touchdown passes this season. He needs just two touchdown passes to break former Hawaii star Colt Brennan's NCAA career mark of 131. The Ennis, Texas, native also holds the NCAA record for career 300-yard games (32) and 400-yard games (20). - Staff, Gulf Live

[DeadEagle]

I think it would actually be better for us if Bradford stays in school for another year. I think we would have a much better shot at him next year. Just my opinion...


It certainly would be.

If he stays, I'll be on the "trade back from #19" bandwagon. It'll likely net us a second first round selection next season that we can use as ammo to make a move on Bradford........ because our schedule is murder next season..... and by making a trade you never know how bad that team may end up. I'd do it in a heartbeat.

[Agent Orange]

It certainly would be.

If he stays, I'll be on the "trade back from #19" bandwagon. It'll likely net us a second first round selection next season that we can use as ammo to make a move on Bradford........ because our schedule is murder next season..... and by making a trade you never know how bad that team may end up. I'd do it in a heartbeat.

No Rookie QBs!
















Signed,

Jon Gruden

[Legacy]

I'm bored. Get over it.

The Bucs pick is not the "wish list" I posted yesterday. This is more what I expect.

1 - DET: Sam Bradford, QB, Oklahoma
2 - STL: Andre Smith, OT, Alabama
3 - KC: Brian Orakpo, DE, Texas
4 - SEA: Matt Stafford, QB, Georgia
5 - CLE: Michael Jenkins, CB, Ohio State
6 - CIN: Chris Wells, RB, Ohio State
7 - OAK: Michael Crabtree, WR, Texas Tech
8 - JAX: Eugene Monroe, OT, Virginia
9 - GB: Everette Brown, DE, Forida State
10 - SF: Michael Johnson, DE, Georgia Tech
11 - BUF: Greg Hardy, DE, Ole Miss
12 - DEN: Rey Maualuga, LB, USC
13 - WAS: Michael Oher, OT, Ole Miss
14 - NO: Taylor Mays, S, USC
15 - HOU: Vontae Davis, CB, Illinois
16 - SD: Duke Robinson, OG, Oklahoma
17 - NYJ: Jeremy Maclin, WR, Missouri
18 - CHI: Darrius Heyward-Bey, WR, Marlyand
19 - TB: Peria Jerry, DT, Ole Miss
20 - DET: SenDerrick Marks, DT, Aurburn
21 - ARI: Knowshon Moreno, RB, Georgia
22 - PHI: Jermaine Gresham, TE, Oklahoma
23 - MIN: Jason Smith, OT, Baylor
24 - NE: Alphonso Smith, CB, Wake Forest
25 - ATL: BJ Raji, DT, Boston College
26 - MIA: James Lauranitis, LB, Ohio State
27 - BAL: Percy Harvin, WR, Florida
28 - PHI: William Moore, S, Missouri
29 - IND: Alex Mack, C, California
30 - PIT: Ciron Black, OT, Louisiana State
31 - NYG: Brian Cushing, LB, USC
32 - TEN: Brandon Pettigrew, TE, Oklahoma State


A few of those picks I had truly no clue, but I thought I had a good idea on most of them.
After a quick glance, it looks pretty good, but you're missing Aaron Curry, OLB - Wake Forest. He'd have to have an absolutely abysmal combine to fall out of the 1st round.

[UMiamiBucFan]

It certainly would be.

If he stays, I'll be on the "trade back from #19" bandwagon. It'll likely net us a second first round selection next season that we can use as ammo to make a move on Bradford........ because our schedule is murder next season..... and by making a trade you never know how bad that team may end up. I'd do it in a heartbeat.

Won't happen now. If the Bucs had made the playoffs and the coaching staff wasn't on the hot seat, it might be a possibility. However, with the staff now firmly planted in the hot seat, there are only two ways Sam Bradford winds up in pewter:

1) He declares this season and the Bucs pull off a trade to move up.
2) He stays for his junior season and the Bucs wind up with the worst record in the NFL in 2009. Gruden gets fired and the new coaching staff drafts Bradford #1 overall in 2010.

[DeadEagle]

Won't happen now. If the Bucs had made the playoffs and the coaching staff wasn't on the hot seat, it might be a possibility. However, with the staff now firmly planted in the hot seat, there are only two ways Sam Bradford winds up in pewter:

1) He declares this season and the Bucs pull off a trade to move up.
2) He stays for his junior season and the Bucs wind up with the worst record in the NFL in 2009. Gruden gets fired and the new coaching staff drafts Bradford #1 overall in 2010.



You're right.


I still want to hope. Big position of need, and great talent.

[Ocho-Cinco]

After a quick glance, it looks pretty good, but you're missing Aaron Curry, OLB - Wake Forest. He'd have to have an absolutely abysmal combine to fall out of the 1st round.

From what they say on SC, mocks, etc., you could say the same for Brandon Spikes of Florida if he comes out.

[jbucs13]

Im not saying I what a QB this year in the draft but can someone realistically say who the best QB will be by the time our pick comes around.


No trades or anything. Just the best QB most likely still around by the 19th pick.

[UMiamiBucFan]

You're right.


I still want to hope. Big position of need, and great talent.

At this point, I'm hoping they either pull the trigger on the trade up or take the consolation prize in Nate Davis at 19. Davis is primed for a Joe Flacco type draft day hype. I'd really prefer the trade though.

I'd also keep an eye on Brian Brohm. Considering Matt Flynn beat him out in Green Bay and Gruden is rumored to have loved Brohm last season (and was really ****ed about the DJax pick), I wouldn't be surprised to see the Bucs try to make a move for him.

[DeadEagle]

At this point, I'm hoping they either pull the trigger on the trade up or take the consolation prize in Nate Davis at 19. Davis is primed for a Joe Flacco type draft day hype. I'd really prefer the trade though.

I'd also keep an eye on Brian Brohm. Considering Matt Flynn beat him out in Green Bay and Gruden is rumored to have loved Brohm last season (and was really ****ed about the DJax pick), I wouldn't be surprised to see the Bucs try to make a move for him.


I am with you on Nate Davis. Very good consolation prize, but Bradford is the ultimate goal. I at least want us to seem like we are making an attempt.

I am no fan of Brohm, but I could live with him here over all the other choices of current NFL'ers.

[FSUbuccaneer06]

So that we don't have a bunch of individual threads again this year how about we start with our mocks here up until the combine/free agency. We'll start a new thread after that. I'm only going to do 5 rounds because all of the players haven't declared yet. Here's mine...

Round 1-Terrence "Mount" Cody, 6-5 365 NT, Alabama
Nobody will be running on us to that side with him there. We'll also get to see what Gaines Adams is made of with Cody being doubled all the time. Look at the youtube videos, this guy is strong. The kind of strong where he just throws guys down on their ***** from the get go.

Round 2-Juaquin Iglesias, 6-1 204 WR, Oklahoma
Having the top wideout from that offense would be a good thing.

Round 3-Jarron Gilbert, 6-6 285 DT/DE, San Jose State
Check out the youtube videos on Jarron. There's one on the first page of search results by name that shows him jumping OUT of a pool. It's crazy.

Round 4-Myron Rolle, 6-2 216 S, Florida State
With injuries and free agency we're going to need some more help at safety. Looking at who could be available I really like what the Rhodes Scholarship winner has to offer as long as he's going to stick with football. He played corner through high school and was graded a 96 coming out of high school.

Round 5-CJ Spiller, 5-11 190 RB, Clemson
We'll need more depth at RB. He's a solid back that can run and catch out of the backfield. At this point in the draft if he's still available it would be a steal.
myron rolle has a rhodes scolarship, i dont know much about the progran, but i think it is a year long process, meaning he wouldnt come to the NFL this year.

anyone know details?

[Ocho-Cinco]

myron rolle has a rhodes scolarship, i dont know much about the progran, but i think it is a year long process, meaning he wouldnt come to the NFL this year.

anyone know details?

Yeah, from what I've heard, he's gotta make a choice. Would be an easy one for me.

[TornadoRex]

From what they say on SC, mocks, etc., you could say the same for Brandon Spikes of Florida if he comes out.

Aaron Curry could be the #1 prospect in this draft. Far and away the best LB.

Yeah, from what I've heard, he's gotta make a choice. Would be an easy one for me.

Yeah, I'd choose possibly the most prestigious and rewarding experience an academic scholar could hope for, too.

[caddy&clayton]

After a quick glance, it looks pretty good, but you're missing Aaron Curry, OLB - Wake Forest. He'd have to have an absolutely abysmal combine to fall out of the 1st round.

Holy crap, are you serious???? :eek:


LOL. How could I do that???

[TornadoRex]

Holy crap, are you serious???? :eek:


LOL. How could I do that???

Hah, yeah... it happens.

[warrensappisgod]

All 3 players have been clocked between 4.3 and 4.35. If that's not the same, and if you really wanna believe that 0.05 of a second is such a definitive edge, then be my guest. That's the same speed to me. DHB and Murphy are both 6'2", 205lbs, and Maclin is an inch and 5lbs less.

Heyward-Bey does not play in a prolific offense, and Murphy is not part of a prolific passing attack. Maclin plays in an offense where he IS the threat. If we're looking for elements to their games that can be used to differentiate them, we're looking at route running and hands. DHB struggles with running sharp routes and Maclin has have been know to drop passes. That's been their knocks. Murphy runs good routes and has very good hands.

Only reason Murphy isn't being talked about in the first round is production, and he won't get alot of that in the Gator offense, as it's based almost solely around Tim Tebow.

Any time out right now is either A) a maddeningly inaccurate school time or B) an outright guess. So yeah, if you want to buy into that garbage, be my guest. But don't try to pass it off as accurate because everyone knows it's not at this point in the process. Murphy's game speed is well behind Maclin's or DHB's, and his timed speed isn't going to match theirs either, even with the training that gets guys like LaRon Landry significant jumps in times.

Two, DHB runs crap routes right now. No argument there chief, I was only saying DHB was faster because...well, he is. Maclin has had a few off games, but who's to say Murphy's hands look as flawless if he's targeted as much as Maclin. Maclin really only had one or two games where his hands looked poor, and he's been given the ball HEAVILY for the past 2 years.

The only reason Murphy won't be a 1st round pick is because he isn't a 1st round WR.

[warrensappisgod]

And yes, UMBF, Davis would be a decent pick at 19, but it's highly doubtful that he enters at this point, and the other top QBs would also have to declare so he doesn't get the tag of #1 QB because then he would most assuredly be gone by that pick. A one pick "run" I guess you could call it.

[David Melnick]

runningback is what they need bad...Is it possible to draft an Offensive Coordinator? I still think that a major part of this teams problems on offense can be directly attributed to Gruden's playbook. Simplify it a bit, get a receiver to through a pass to farther than 10 yards down the field and you may be amazed to find what happens to our running game. :cool: Good thinkin' Brain;) Go for dfense also. I hope TB gets Gano.:)

I'd like to see Maclin or DHB in the first and the best available DT in the second. This way you spread the opponents defense just a bit and force them to not put 8 in the box and call Gruden's bluff of a deep ball. I suppose I could also live with Marks or Jerry in the first and Inglesias or Murphy in the second. After day one, I'm hoping for another CB and RB. I don't think that getting a QB in the 4th or 5th is going to help our team much, hopefully we can pick someone up during FA. :cool:

The one last part of my wish list is that Gruden isn't coaching any of our draft picks next year. Wishful thinking and a topic for another forum.

[Agent Orange]

Is everybody going to start their own mock draft thread or can we just use this one?

[h-town baller]

AO do you know if Terrance Cody will be declaring for the draft?

[Agent Orange]

AO do you know if Terrance Cody will be declaring for the draft?

Shoot, the more I look at it the more it looks like he's returning to school. According to this article he's going back for his senior year...

http://blog.al.com/bamabeat/2008/12/terrence_cody_says_hes_coming.html

Of course that's from a Bama news source so I don't know how reliable it is.

[jbucs13]

Im not saying I what a QB this year in the draft but can someone realistically say who the best QB will be by the time our pick comes around.


No trades or anything. Just the best QB most likely still around by the 19th pick.

Just asking people again cuz Im not sure I got an answer. Thanks

[Agent Orange]

Just asking people again cuz Im not sure I got an answer. Thanks

Depends on who declares and what you think of them. Here's a list of what should be available which we might want to think about drafting in round 1...

Name Pos. School Status
Harrell, Graham* QB Texas Tech Senior
Sanchez, Mark QB USC Junior
Tebow, Tim QB Florida Senior

These 3 should be available if they declare. I think McCoy said he's returning so I didn't list him.

[TornadoRex]

I'd be alright with Sanchez or Nate Davis in the 1st..

Would much rather see if Stafford of Bradford drop to around the 8th spot and make a move.

Time to man up and take the plunge, Jon and Bruce. See what happened to Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco? We have a good team to put around a young guy and it's the perfect time to get our QB with Garcia being 39 and a free agent.

[caddy&clayton]

Depends on who declares and what you think of them. Here's a list of what should be available which we might want to think about drafting in round 1...

Name Pos. School Status
Harrell, Graham* QB Texas Tech Senior
Sanchez, Mark QB USC Junior
Tebow, Tim QB Florida Senior

These 3 should be available if they declare. I think McCoy said he's returning so I didn't list him.

Absolutley no way Tebow and Graham even touch the first round. And probably not even the first day.

[WyoBuccNasty]

Absolutley no way Tebow and Graham even touch the first round. And probably not even the first day.

I would wait till after he lights up senior days and the combine before you say that. He knows he has to. Can't sit around like top ten picks when your trying to show you deserve one.

[jbucs13]

Depends on who declares and what you think of them. Here's a list of what should be available which we might want to think about drafting in round 1...

Name Pos. School Status
Harrell, Graham* QB Texas Tech Senior
Sanchez, Mark QB USC Junior
Tebow, Tim QB Florida Senior

These 3 should be available if they declare. I think McCoy said he's returning so I didn't list him.

Thanks. The only player I would pick this year would be McCoy if he comes out. Other than him, wait till next draft

[Brain]

Tim Tebow is a junior and has stated before he intends to stay 4 years at Florida and finish his degree. I doubt he is coming out this year. If he indeed does plan on playing QB in the NFL his best hope is to stay another year and work on his mechanics.

[jbucs13]

I hope the Bucs never even think about pickin Tebow. No way

[Agent Orange]

Absolutley no way Tebow and Graham even touch the first round. And probably not even the first day.

The question was list some QBs that might be available when we pick at #19. Those are the one's that I can still see being available. The rest that I didn't list either already said they were staying or won't go until later imo.

[TornadoRex]

I hope the Bucs never even think about pickin Tebow. No way

I'd like us to draft him in the mid rounds as a RB.

Instant leadership, toughness, and talent. Really couldn't go wrong in the 3rd round.

[Nina27Bucs]

For anyone who doesn't know, you can go to walterfootball.com to see all the prospects at every position and what round they are projected to go in. There is also a 3 round mock on there that is pretty interesting.

[jbucs13]

I'd like us to draft him in the mid rounds as a RB.

Instant leadership, toughness, and talent. Really couldn't go wrong in the 3rd round.

I would rather go with someone that has proven themselves as a true RB in college than draft Tebow and try him out there. There are usually some good RB left in the third round

[Agent Orange]

I think many will be surprised by Tebow in the pro's. The guy has an arm and he's in excellent football shape. He'll start somewhere. Somebody will take a chance on him because he does have a good arm and he's versatile. I am not against the Bucs drafting him in the 3rd round or later.

[Agent Orange]

Updated

[Q-man]

Updated

Could you update whether Tim Tebow is a JUNIOR or SENIOR? :eek:
Just pulling your chain. :anigrin:

[TornadoRex]

I would rather go with someone that has proven themselves as a true RB in college than draft Tebow and try him out there. There are usually some good RB left in the third round

Technically he has proven that he can run over SEC defenses.

Even if not at RB, he could be a threat at TE too.

[h-town baller]

Technically he has proven that he can run over SEC defenses.

Even if not at RB, he could be a threat at TE too.

could be the next chris cooley.

[TornadoRex]

could be the next chris cooley.

tough, off the chart intangibles, amazing work ethic/leadership..

2nd next year or 3rd if he jumps, really can't lose in that situation.

[Legacy]

Technically he has proven that he can run over SEC defenses.
We've already been over this multiple times in multiple threads: SEC defenses are overrated. Six SEC offenses (half the conference) finished 97th in the nation or lower, seven finished 94th or lower in passing and seven finished 87th or lower in scoring.

Now, before you chalk that up to great SEC defenses, consider the fact that every team had 3-4 games to pad their stats against cupcakes. Also consider that conference teams with supposed "great" defenses (South Carolina and Alabama) got rolled over in bowl games and you really just don't have an argument here.

[jbucs13]

Technically he has proven that he can run over SEC defenses.

Even if not at RB, he could be a threat at TE too.

If he declares how early do you think he will go?

[TornadoRex]

If he declares how early do you think he will go?

Really have no idea.

It depends on his willingness to change positions. Teams will be wary of drafting him as a QB too high, but he could be intriguing to a team as a TE.

[jbucs13]

Really have no idea.

It depends on his willingness to change positions. Teams will be wary of drafting him as a QB too high, but he could be intriguing to a team as a TE.

I dont think he will be taken as early as you may think. He has heart and is athletic that is for sure but the fact that no one really knows what position he will play will drop him a few rounds IMO. I would have to think that team scouts would hold of taking a chance on him in early rounds just becuase of that fact. I dont think heart will get him there alone.

But then again that is just my opinion

[TornadoRex]

That's what I'm saying. If he enters and says he is perfectly fine with being a TE and works out/attends the combine as a TE, someone will take him before the 4th round.

[jbucs13]

That's what I'm saying. If he enters and says he is perfectly fine with being a TE and works out/attends the combine as a TE, someone will take him before the 4th round.

Maybe... we will soon find out

[Agent Orange]

I seriously don't think Tebow will declare as a TE. He'll either stay in school or go in as a QB but not before working with some high profile QB coaches to prove to the scouts that he's got the fundamentals to be a solid NFL QB.

[Jack Sparrow]

That's what I'm saying. If he enters and says he is perfectly fine with being a TE and works out/attends the combine as a TE, someone will take him before the 4th round.


i believe that tebow will be drafted as a qb....just because he wants a to play qb....however...teams will be looking at him as an h-back.....

and that will be on the 2010 draft because he isnt comming out just yet.

[TornadoRex]

I seriously don't think Tebow will declare as a TE. He'll either stay in school or go in as a QB but not before working with some high profile QB coaches to prove to the scouts that he's got the fundamentals to be a solid NFL QB.

He's a smart guy, so when the time comes he will choose whatever position gets him drafted the highest.. thus providing him more money.

[UMiamiBucFan]

I think Tebow will be drafted to play QB and probably pretty high too. Just my opinion, but I think he'll state he wants to play QB in the Pros...and ESPN will hype the crap out of him. Some team will love his work ethic and think they can turn him into a good QB and then overdraft him because of fear of the hype machine. Think Eric Crouch.

[uscbucsfan]

I think Tebow will be drafted to play QB and probably pretty high too. Just my opinion, but I think he'll state he wants to play QB in the Pros...and ESPN will hype the crap out of him. Some team will love his work ethic and think they can turn him into a good QB and then overdraft him because of fear of the hype machine. Think Eric Crouch.

Pretty high as in the third round? Because the "hype machine" that is ESPN doesn't think he will be a QB in the pros

[UMiamiBucFan]

Pretty high as in the third round? Because the "hype machine" that is ESPN doesn't think he will be a QB in the pros

I think Tebow will go in either the 2nd or 3rd. I brought up Eric Crouch because he destroyed his career by demanding to play QB. I think Tebow could do the same.

I must admit I haven't watched much ESPN lately, but I haven't seen anything from ESPN or other sports media websites about Tebow playing any position but QB in the NFL. Some teams have a tendency to overdraft a prospect that they like simply because the media reports have them thinking they'll go higher than what they should.

[Northern Rep]

rd 1. Peria Jerry-UT-Ole Miss
rd2. Juaquin Iglesias-WR-Oklahoma
rd3. Ron Brace-NT-Boston College
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Lawrence Sidbury Jr.-DE-Richmond

[Agent Orange]

Could you update whether Tim Tebow is a JUNIOR or SENIOR? :eek:
Just pulling your chain. :anigrin:

Nice sig pic. It appears you've finally got a pair. You heard it here first...Tebow will be a success in the NFL. I think Dungy will go after him though. I mean really, can you imagine him around Gruden's foul mouth?

[BearLandBucFan]

Round 1 DT Peria Jerry
Round 2 DE Greg Hardy

[Persuazn]

Round 1 RB Knowshon Moreno
Round 2 DT SenDerrick Marks
Round 3 WR Juaquin Iglesias
Round 4 DE Larry English
Round 5 CB Morgan Trent
Round 6 Chase Daniels
Round 7 BPA

[FunkyRooster]

Round 1 RB Knowshon Moreno
Round 2 DT SenDerrick Marks
Round 3 WR Juaquin Iglesias
Round 4 DE Larry English
Round 5 CB Morgan Trent
Round 6 Chase Daniels
Round 7 BPA

HAHAHA. Good luck with that.

Iglesias won't be there in the 3rd, and IF Marks were to somehow get to the second round, he'd be gone in the first few picks.

This is a wish list.

[Persuazn]

It is very much a wish list. But then again we all though Devin Thomas was a top 10 pick last year and we saw how that went.

[uscbucsfan]

Round 1 DT Peria Jerry
Round 2 DE Greg Hardy

No to Hardy...the man can't even get on the field at Ole Miss on rushing downs....

[BearLandBucFan]

No to Hardy...the man can't even get on the field at Ole Miss on rushing downs....

we'll see...

[FunkyRooster]

It is very much a wish list. But then again we all though Devin Thomas was a top 10 pick last year and we saw how that went.

I would be just as excited as you if our draft came out that way. But it's highly unlikely that we won't even have a shot at that.

[Northern Rep]

It is very much a wish list. But then again we all though Devin Thomas was a top 10 pick last year and we saw how that went.

The highest I ever saw Thomas was 11 to buffalo and that was understood by most to be a large reach. Thomas wasn't even the clear cut number 1 wideout so seeing him fall to the second, while a bit surprising, wasn't shocking. Mayock didn't have a first round grade on any single reciever.

also as of now I find your draft highly optomistic, but then its early and almost pointless to argue. Surely some guys that we like now will be late picks come draft time. That said I'd love this draft. Larry Englsh rd.4 :smileretr

[mistalongtran]

1. Everette Brown - DE - Florida State (The Bucs swap the 19th overall pick with the Philadelphia Eagles 22nd overall pick, combined with this year's 2nd rounder, and next year's 2nd rounder for Donovan McNabb)
2. Traded to the Philadelphia Eagles for Donovan McNabb
3. Marcus Freeman - OLB - Ohio State
4. Gartrell Johnson - RB - Colorado State
5. Darry Beckwith - ILB - LSU
6. Chip Vaughn - S - Wake Forest
7. Graham Gano - P - Florida State

Resign Antonio Bryant, Phillip Buchanon, B.J. Askew, and Will Allen.
Sign Jordan Gross, Devery Henderson, and Tank Johnson.

[Gamecock32000]

Our first pick should be a DT. Either Peria Jerry of Ole Miss or BJ Raji of Boston College. My preference is BJ Raji of Boston College. Our second pick should be a WR that is solid and will start for us. My hope is that WR Hakeem Nicks of the North Carolina Tarheels will still be available. If he is gone by the time we pick then wait until the third round to take WR Kenny McKinney of South Carolina Gamecocks. I'd like to see us get QBCullen Harper of Clemson 3rd or 4th ound if available. RBJames Davis of Clemson would be a steal in the 4th or 5th round. CBJoe Burnett of UCF a 5th or 6th round choice is good. CB Emanuel Cook of South Carolina is a good 5th to 7th round selection. These are some of my projections and players I like. Go Bucs!!!!

[warrensappisgod]

1. Everette Brown - DE - Florida State (The Bucs swap the 19th overall pick with the Philadelphia Eagles 22nd overall pick, combined with this year's 2nd rounder, and next year's 2nd rounder for Donovan McNabb)
2. Traded to the Philadelphia Eagles for Donovan McNabb
3. Marcus Freeman - OLB - Ohio State
4. Gartrell Johnson - RB - Colorado State
5. Darry Beckwith - ILB - LSU
6. Chip Vaughn - S - Wake Forest
7. Graham Gano - P - Florida State

Resign Antonio Bryant, Phillip Buchanon, B.J. Askew, and Will Allen.
Sign Jordan Gross, Devery Henderson, and Tank Johnson.

Trade DOWN and get Brown? Quite unlikely. Though I would like to get McNabb, we'd almost assuredly have to go another direction with that pick.

Like the Marcus Freeman pick. No WR in the draft anywhere? Bryant and Henderson is quite repetitive, especially when we don't go down field all that much.

[Clayton80future]

1st round - Peria Jerry, DT - Ole Miss
2nd round - Brian Robiskie, WR - Ohio State

[GlaserBeam]

Updated after knowing of the underclassman coming out...
1st LeSean McCoy RB Pitt or B.J. Raji DT 6' 1" 325, Boston College
2nd Hakeem Nicks WR 6' 1" 210, North Carolina or Darrius HeywardBey 6' 2" 205, Maryland
3rd Connor Barwin DE 6'4 255, Cincinnati or Tyrone McKenzie LB 6'2 235, South Florida
4th Domonique Johnson CB 6'2" 190, Jackson State(transfer from Missouri)
5th Austin Collie WR 6'2 210 BYU(Jordy Nelson, GB) or Cullen Harper QB 6' 3" 215, Clemson (could turn out to be the Matt Hasselbeck of this years draft)
6th Aaron Kelly WR 6'5 200, Clemson or Ramses Barden WR 6'6 230, Cal Poly (think Marques Colston, Saints)
7th Jake Richardson P 6'0 205, Miami(OH)

[Gamecock32000]

NFL Round 1

1 - DET: Stafford, Matthew - QB - Georgia
2 - STL: Smith, Andre - OL - Alabama
3 - KC: Orakpo, Brian - DE - Texas
4 - SEA: Mays, Taylor - FS - USC
5 - CLE: Curry, Aaron - OLB - Wake Forest
6 - CIN: Oher, Michael - OL - Mississippi
7 - OAK: Crabtree, Michael - WR - Texas Tech
8 - JAX: Monroe, Eugene - OL - Virginia
9 - GB: Jenkins, Malcolm - CB - Ohio State
10 - SF: Smith, Jason - OL - Baylor
11 - BUF: Brown, Everette - DE - Florida State
12 - DEN: Maualuga, Rey - ILB - USC
13 - WAS: Britton, Eben - T - Arizona
14 - NO: Moore, William - FS - Missouri
15 - HOU: Laurinaitis, James - ILB - Ohio State
16 - SD: Robinson, Duke - OL - Oklahoma
17 - NYJ: Davis, Vontae - CB - Illinois
18 - CHI: Johnson, Michael - DE - Georgia Tech
19. Tampa-- Please not Chris Wells Ohio State!!!! Never
21 - AR19 - TB: Wells, Chris - RB - Ohio State
20 - DET: Mack, Alex - OL - CaliforniaI: Moreno, Knowshon - RB - Georgia
22 - PHI: Black, Ciron - OL - LSU
23 - MIN: Moore, D.J. - CB - Vanderbilt
24 - NE: Harris, Victor - CB - Virginia Tech
25 - ATL: Spikes, Brandon - ILB - Florida
26 - MIA: Chung, Patrick - SS - Oregon
27 - BAL: Heyward-Bey, Darrius - WR - Maryland
28 - IND: Marks, Sen'Derrick - DT - Auburn
29 - PHI: Pettigrew, Brandon - TE - Oklahoma St.
30 - PIT: Unger, Max - OL - Oregon
31 - NYG: Maclin, Jeremy - WR - Missouri
32 - TEN: Harvin, Percy - WR - Florida



Remaining notable Bucs selections:

Round 2 - Evander (Ziggy) Hood - DT - Missouri
Round 3 - Louis Murphy - WR - Florida
Round 4 - Phillip Hunt - DE - Houston
Round 5 - John Phillips - TE - Virginia
Round 6 - Terrill Byrd - DT - Cincinnati


This is assuming we lose Michael Clayton, Kevin Carter, Jovan Haye, Jeff Garcia to free agency and we re-sign Antonio Bryant, Phillip Buchanon, Donald Penn and Jermaine Phillips with not many notable free agency acquisitions.

No way on Chris Wells of Ohio St. Otherwise a good mock. I'd take Moreno b-4 Wells. My first choice is BJ Raji DT of Boston College. Go Bucs!!!!!

[GlaserBeam]

Updated after knowing of the underclassman coming out...
1st B.J. Raji DT 6' 1" 325, Boston College/ Josh Freeman QB 6'5" 225 Kansas State/ LeSean McCoy RB 5'11" 200 Pitt(difference-maker)
2nd Hakeem Nicks WR 6' 1" 210, North Carolina/ Connor Barwin DE 6'4" 255, Cincinnati/ Paul Kruger DE 6'5" 265, Utah
3rd Ramses Barden WR 6'6 230, Cal Poly (Marques Colston, Saints)/ Tyrone McKenzie LB 6'2" 235, South Florida/ Coye Francies CB 6'1" 185, San Jose State
4th Domonique Johnson CB 6'2" 190, Jackson State(transfer from Missouri)/ Nic Harris LB 6'2" 235 Oklahoma/ Brannan Southerland FB 6'0" 240 Georgia
5th Austin Collie WR 6'2" 210 BYU(Jordy Nelson, GB)/ Jordan Norwood WR 5'10" 175 Penn State(this years Royal)
6th Aaron Kelly WR 6'5" 200, Clemson/ Tony Flammetta FB 6'1 230, Syracuse
7th Jake Richardson P 6'0" 205, Miami(OH)

*Sleeper
Kaluka Maiava, LB/SS/USC (Sr) - Maiava was simply amazing against Penn St and all year basically. He has been victim to the overshadowing names of Brian Cusing and Rey Maualuga. Maiava not only flew all over the field amassing double digit tackles, but he added a couple pass break ups and a near INT, earning him the Rose bowl defensive player of the game award. Maiava (6' 0" 228 lbs) is kind of tweener(same thing was said about Brooks in 95), which might cause him to slip in the draft...but what a great understudy to have next season...could help out on special teams right away. Won USC's Co-Special Teams Player of the Year Award ...which is always a plus.

[mistalongtran]

***09 NFL MOCK DRAFT***

1. Detroit Lions - Eugene Monroe - OT - Virginia
2. St. Louis Rams - Michael Oher - OT - Mississippi
3. Jacksonville Jaguars - Michael Crabtree - WR - Texas Tech
4. Seattle Seahawks - Andre Smith - OT - Alabama
5. Cleveland Browns - Aaron Curry - OLB - Wake Forest
6. Cincinnatti Bengals - Jason Smith - OT - Baylor
7. Oakland Raiders - Everette Brown - DE - Florida State
8. Kansas City Chiefs - Brian Orakpo - DE - Texas
9. Green Bay Packers - B.J. Raji - DT - Boston College
10. San Francisco 49ers - Matthew Stafford - QB - Georgia
11. Buffalo Bills - Brandon Pettigrew - TE - Oklahoma State
12. Denver Broncos - Knowshon Moreno - RB - Georgia
13. Washington Redskins - Malcolm Jenkins - CB - Ohio State
14. New Orleans Saints - D.J. Moore - CB - Vanderbilt
15. Houston Texans - Vontae Davis - CB - Illinois
16. San Diego Chargers - Chris Wells - RB - Ohio State
17. New York Jets - Mark Sanchez - QB - Southern California
18. Chicago Bears - Michael Johnson - DE - Georgia Tech
19. Philadelphia Eagles - William Beatty - OT - Connecticut
20. Detroit Lions - Peria Jerry - DT - Mississippi
21. Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Jeremy Maclin - WR - Missouri
22. Minnesota Vikings - Max Unger - C - Oregon
23. New Enland Patriots - Rey Maualuga - ILB - Southern California
24. Atlanta Falcons - Alphonso Smith - CB - Wake Forest
25. Miami Dolphins - James Laurinaitis - ILB - Ohio State
26. Baltimore Ravens - William Moore - Missouri
27. Indianapolis Colts - Fili Moala - DT - Southern California
28. Philadelphia Eagles - Chase Coffman - TE - Missouri
29. New York Giants - Brian Cushing - OLB - Southern California
30. Tennessee Titans - Percy Harvin - WR - Florida
31. Arizona Cardinals - Duke Robinson - OG - Oklahoma
32. Pittsburgh Steelers - Tyson Jackson - DE - Louisiana State

***Jacksonville trades up with Kansas City***
***Tampa Bay swaps the 19th pick with Philadelphia's 21st pick, packaged with this years 51st overall, and next years future 2nd rounder, in exchange for Donovan McNabb***

1st Day draft selections...
1. Jeremy Maclin - WR - Missouri
2. Traded to Philadelphia for Donovan McNabb.
3. Marcus Freeman - OLB - Ohio State.

Resignings...
1. Antonio Bryant
2. Phillip Buchanon

Sign...
1. Albert Haynesworth or Julius Peppers
2. Darren Sproles
3. Leonard Weaver

Franchise...
1. Jermaine Phillips

[jbucs13]

***09
1st Day draft selections...
1. Jeremy Maclin - WR - Missouri
2. Traded to Philadelphia for Donovan McNabb.

Resignings...
1. Antonio Bryant
2. Phillip Buchanon

Sign...
1. Albert Haynesworth or Julius Peppers
2. Darren Sproles


Franchise...
1. Jermaine Phillips

If this happened I would be really really happy

[warrensappisgod]

Waaay too favorable, Mist.

Although I agree about Phillips. Tagging him would be a cheap way to keep him around for another year without having to pay boatloads in the open market or risk losing him, and if we couldn't reach a deal we could at least get compensation.

[mistalongtran]

If this happened I would be really really happy

Glad you like it.

[mistalongtran]

Waaay too favorable, Mist.

Although I agree about Phillips. Tagging him would be a cheap way to keep him around for another year without having to pay boatloads in the open market or risk losing him, and if we couldn't reach a deal we could at least get compensation.

Which part of it is way too favorable? Jeremy Maclin falling to us in the 1st? Or picking up Donovan McNabb for 2 2nds?

Unless some team leap frogs us for Maclin, I think its a realistic possibility for him to slip to where we select. I found it hard to peg a team that needed a WR as much as we do that selected prior to us. And if you have been following the McNabb saga, it seems most media outlets have him on his way out of Philadelphia.

Antonio Bryant has already expressed interest in staying, and Phillip Buchanon was given a chance to earn a paycheck here in Tampa where other teams looked in other directions. Resigning an extension here in Tampa makes sense, no?

As far as the FA market goes, I understand that Albert Haynesworth has played at his best in his contract years, and that the Titans are interested in retaining his services, but if he does test the market, teams with the largest bankroll usually host the cream of the crop 1st. Julius Peppers will get tagged, but he does want out, so you never know. Either way, either player would fill a glaring need, DT, however, is the more glaring of the two. Darren Sproles can stay in San Diego, play the same role, and get paid less than he would if he were to test the FA market. With Earnest Graham as the foundation, Warrick Dunn providing support for the short run, and Caddilac not expected back anytime soon, Darren Sproles could play the same role he does now, but earn a fatter paycheck. Leonard Weaver? I just threw that in there, resigning B.J. Askew is also an option.

I like what Jermaine Phillips brings to the table. But if the staff wants to move on and draft replacements, atleast provide the insurance until they can take over and play healthy for an entire season before letting one of the best players on defense walk. Phillips has earned a larger pay check, and his right to test the market. Just not yet...

[warrensappisgod]

Which part of it is way too favorable?

Maclin falling, us signing Al or Peppers in addition to Sproles. Sproles I could see, Maclin has a small chance of falling, but both in addition to one of the two biggest gets in the market? When we're supposedly strapped for cash?

[NoAlibi]

1. Detroit (0-16)- Mark Sanchez
2. St. Louis (2-14)- Michael Oher (Oher is a true LT. Andre might end up at G in the league).
3. Kansas City (2-14)- Matt Stafford
4. Seattle (4-12)- Michael Crabtree (I don't think he's worth this, but he is the most ready WR in the draft)
5. Cleveland (4-12)- Everette Brown
6. Cincinnati (4-11-1)- Eugene Monroe (also a better LT prospect than Smith..pass protection is the key. Smith has a ways to go in this department)
7. Oakland (5-11)- Andre Smith
8. Jacksonville (5-11)- Jason Smith (lotta teams need OL help)
9. Green Bay (6-10)- Michael Johnson
10. San Francisco (7-9)- Eben Britton
11. Buffalo (7-9)- Brian Orakpo
12. Denver (8-8)- Rey Maualuga
13. Washington (8-8)- Aaron Curry (every OL at this point is an incredible reach).
14. New Orleans (8-8)- DJ Moore
15. Houston (8-8)- Malcolm Jenkins
16. San Diego (8-8)- Brian Cushing (RB is a possibility with LT future unclear).
17. New York Jets (9-7)- Peoria Jerry
18. Chicago (9-7)- Percy Harvin (any DE at this point would be a huge reach)
19. Tampa Bay (9-7)- Jeremy Maclin (I would prefer Knowshon).
20. Detroit - from Dallas (9-7)- BJ Raji
21. Philadelphia (9-6-1)- Beanie Wells
22. Minnesota (10-6)- Cary Harris
23. New England (11-5)- Clay Matthews
24. Atlanta (11-5)- Aaron Maybin
25. Miami (11-5)- Vontae Davis
26. Baltimore (11-5)- Darrius Heywood Bey
27. Indianapolis (12-4)- Duke Robinson
28. Philadelphia - from Carolina (12-4)- Brandon Pettigrew
29. New York Giants (12-4)- Kenny Britt
30. Tennessee (13-3)- Sen Derrick Marks
31. Pittsburgh (12-4)- Alex Mack
32. Arizona (9-7)- Knowshon Moreno

[NoAlibi]

BUCS only:

1st: Maclin
2nd: Evander Hood
3rd: Phillip Hunt

[mistalongtran]

Maclin falling, us signing Al or Peppers in addition to Sproles. Sproles I could see, Maclin has a small chance of falling, but both in addition to one of the two biggest gets in the market? When we're supposedly strapped for cash?

The Bucs are 45 mil under the cap per rotoworld. They are slated to have the lowest cap figure prior to resigning their own players. These are ball park figures, but McNabb at 10 mil per year, Haynesworth/Peppers at 10 mil per year, and Bryant at 7.5 mil per year, would leave 17.5 mil per year in extra cap room to take the hit on Phillips for one year, and the remaining to be divied up between Sproles, Buchanon, inhouse player extensions, and draft picks.

[warrensappisgod]

The Bucs are 45 mil under the cap per rotoworld. They are slated to have the lowest cap figure prior to resigning their own players. These are ball park figures, but McNabb at 10 mil per year, Haynesworth/Peppers at 10 mil per year, and Bryant at 7.5 mil per year, would leave 17.5 mil per year in extra cap room to take the hit on Phillips for one year, and the remaining to be divied up between Sproles, Buchanon, inhouse player extensions, and draft picks.

Well aware of our nicely managed cap (thanks Bruce). We're likely not going to use up all that room this off-season. How much did we leave dead last year? I think we're going to spend more than you're letting on with guys in-house. Everyone knows P-Buc and Flip are first, Ruud will get worked out sooner rather than later, but I'm sure Davin, True, and Tanard are shortly after. Those guys are going to make good money, especially guys on the OL with the contracts guys like Dockery and Stewart got at those positions. The tag on safeties is probably 4 or a little more for 1 year, so thats nothing really. But juggling all that with a contract of Haynesworth (who will garner 70+ mil in FA) or Peppers (similar drawing power on the open market), it's not likely at all.

Those top guys, if they were willing to take shorter, front-loaded deals, would probably just as rather stay where they're at or go to places they prefer. If they're going to come HERE, we're going to have to make it well worth their while. Like San Fran has been dealing with. You don't go to a small market team that isn't a contender for less money and years. We're going to have to win bidding wars and pay the new market value, if not more. And with all the talk about the Glazers, I don't see us maxing out our cap room.

So it's a case of, are we willing to risk it with future contracts and bring in guyS making boatloads? And are the guys in the FO even afforded (literally) that opportunity? The chances of that are slim, so I could see us bring in guys like McNabb and Sproles OR bringing in lesser options in addition to one of the big ones, but not both.

EDIT: Forgot about Donald Penn, young LTs also don't come cheap.

[NoAlibi]

no way we get BOTH Haynesworth and Peppers...I'd say we get neither actually.

[mistalongtran]

Well aware of our nicely managed cap (thanks Bruce). We're likely not going to use up all that room this off-season. How much did we leave dead last year? I think we're going to spend more than you're letting on with guys in-house. Everyone knows P-Buc and Flip are first, Ruud will get worked out sooner rather than later, but I'm sure Davin, True, and Tanard are shortly after. Those guys are going to make good money, especially guys on the OL with the contracts guys like Dockery and Stewart got at those positions. The tag on safeties is probably 4 or a little more for 1 year, so thats nothing really. But juggling all that with a contract of Haynesworth (who will garner 70+ mil in FA) or Peppers (similar drawing power on the open market), it's not likely at all.

Those top guys, if they were willing to take shorter, front-loaded deals, would probably just as rather stay where they're at or go to places they prefer. If they're going to come HERE, we're going to have to make it well worth their while. Like San Fran has been dealing with. You don't go to a small market team that isn't a contender for less money and years. We're going to have to win bidding wars and pay the new market value, if not more. And with all the talk about the Glazers, I don't see us maxing out our cap room.

So it's a case of, are we willing to risk it with future contracts and bring in guyS making boatloads? And are the guys in the FO even afforded (literally) that opportunity? The chances of that are slim, so I could see us bring in guys like McNabb and Sproles OR bringing in lesser options in addition to one of the big ones, but not both.

EDIT: Forgot about Donald Penn, young LTs also don't come cheap.

You make alot of sense in your post. Haynesworth and Peppers were a long shot to begin with. But without either of the two, who do you suggest? I think Tank Johnson would be supplemental at NT, while not requiring a big money deal. Id'e much rather see McNabb and Sproles here, over a Haynesworth or Peppers.

Donald Penn should get a one year deal for now, until he proves his worth. He started the season out strong last year, but ended giving up 8.5 sacks.

[caddy&clayton]

Donald Penn should get a one year deal for now, until he proves his worth. He started the season out strong last year, but ended giving up 8.5 sacks.

I like Garcia a lot, but a lot of Penn's allowed sacks came from Garcia scrambling into them on Penn's side. And he allowed at least 3 sacks in Atlanta due to that Putrid preformance by Brian "The Statue" Griese. I think Penn only allowed 2 or 3 sraight up "I got beaten" sacks this year.

[blackian]

1. Percy Harvin, WR, Florida - I think that Harvin will be the second most successful receiver from this draft class. He has breakaway speed and exceptional short speed and quickness, and in the NFL you need both to be a playmaker. Harvin is also a very strong receiver. I think he is the real deal and will succeed at the next level.

2. Sen'Derrick Marks, DT, Auburn - I think Marks is a very good under tackle. He is athletic, quick, and strong. He has the potential to be a first round pick, but statistically he had an unimpressive year and it has hurt his stock. Auburn played one of the toughest schedules in the country, and they weren't that good this year. I can see how he could have been contained. I still like his potential, especially for a team that is as desperate for an inside pass rusher as the Bucs are.

3. Graham Harrell, QB, Texas Tech - The knock on him that he is a system QB is ridiculous to me. McCoy and Bradford both play in very similar systems, spread offenses that run 4 and 5 wide. Their production this year is comparable to Harrell's.

Harrell is an athletic quarterback whose main knock is his arm strength. However he puts good touch on all of his throws and his deep balls are still solid because he is adept at hitting receivers in stride down the field. I think he could be an answer at quarterback, and great value in the third round. But I think that he will have a good senior bowl showing and good workouts. I think a team will want him in the second round, and I hope the Bucs would go ahead and take him there. Just my opinion but I think Harrell could be a very good quarterback. To me he compares pretty well to Mark Sanchez. Except Harrell has less talent around him.

[h-town baller]

Can anybody here tell me what they see in Graham Harrell that can make him a solid nfl QB? I think he is gonna follow all the other texas tech QBs.

[8JGalloway4]

Can anybody here tell me what they see in Graham Harrell that can make him a solid nfl QB? I think he is gonna follow all the other texas tech QBs.

Can anybody tell me what they see in Josh Johnson that can make him a sloid nfl QB? I think he is gonna follow all the other tampa bay QBs.

[warrensappisgod]

You make alot of sense in your post. Haynesworth and Peppers were a long shot to begin with. But without either of the two, who do you suggest? I think Tank Johnson would be supplemental at NT, while not requiring a big money deal. Id'e much rather see McNabb and Sproles here, over a Haynesworth or Peppers.

Donald Penn should get a one year deal for now, until he proves his worth. He started the season out strong last year, but ended giving up 8.5 sacks.

I wanted Tank here when he left Chicago, so yeah I'd be all for him. I think if we're going to get a big time UT, we're going to have to draft him. Maybe this year in round 1 is when we give it another chance and hope it's not Booger V2.0.

Without Bruce, I think we give up more to guys like Penn. Likely not this year, as we have all the leverage, but soon.

[TornadoRex]

Can anybody tell me what they see in Josh Johnson that can make him a sloid nfl QB? I think he is gonna follow all the other tampa bay QBs.

Thanks for contributing a well thought-out post.

Ask for more autographs next time.

[warrensappisgod]

3. Graham Harrell, QB, Texas Tech - The knock on him that he is a system QB is ridiculous to me. McCoy and Bradford both play in very similar systems, spread offenses that run 4 and 5 wide. Their production this year is comparable to Harrell's.

McCoy and Bradford don't play in systems that put up video game numbers EVERY year, and especially this year with the consensus best WR in the country. You go back a year or two, and those passing offenses weren't great (neither top 25 last year, nor top 40 in 06). Especially OU. Doesn't compare to a system that made Kliff Kingsbury, Sonny Cumbie, B.J. Symons, Cody Hodges, etc look like legitimate college QBs.

Harrell is an athletic quarterback whose main knock is his arm strength. However he puts good touch on all of his throws and his deep balls are still solid because he is adept at hitting receivers in stride down the field. I think he could be an answer at quarterback, and great value in the third round. But I think that he will have a good senior bowl showing and good workouts. I think a team will want him in the second round, and I hope the Bucs would go ahead and take him there. Just my opinion but I think Harrell could be a very good quarterback. To me he compares pretty well to Mark Sanchez. Except Harrell has less talent around him.

Sanchez is more mobile, comes from a pro style offense, takes snaps under center, is just as accurate, has actual NFL arm strength, etc etc.

Harrell is in the best college passing system EVER, with the best WR in the nation. Don't be naive or play dumb because it'll help your argument. USC has great talent, but their best players really haven't come into their own yet. Damian Williams, Gable, McKnight should be huge players next year. Were they all incredible this year? Not really. Crabtree, however, was dominant in that system from DAY 1.

[real bucs fan]

Have completed the first 19 picks of my first mock of the year.

1. Detroit Lions, Matthew Stafford, QB, Georgia
In my opinion the top Qb is Sanchez, but luckily for Mark, the Lions have a history of picking the wrong guy. Staffords arm will be too tempting when considering their franchise player is Calvin Johnson.

2. St. Louis Rams, Aaron Curry, LB, Wake Forest
The Rams need a new face of their franchise, and Aaron has the best chance of being that type of player in this draft. He's a guy you can build a defense around.

3. Kansas City Chiefs, Everette Brown, DE, FSU
The best pass rusher in this draft might look like a reach. But his devastating spin move and unlimited upside make him worth it for a team that finished with only 10 sacks. He will be as exciting a defensive player as this league will have, as the Chiefs continue their rebuild. Some question Browns size as a DE, but his talent is his ability to line up against OTs and beat them.

4. Seattle Seahawks, Michael Crabtree, WR, Texas tech
Crabtree is for real. This pick is a perfect match of need and value.

5. Cleveland Browns, Brian Orakpo, DE, Texas
The Browns passed on a back nicknamed All Day a couple of years back due to durability questions. And considering they'd be best off with a back with proven hands i believe they look elsewhere. Orakpo has all the talent to be an absolute stud as a pass rushing OLB. Browns have Wimbley who is coming off a dissapointing season, and other than that only an aging Willie McGinest as somone who can get after the passer.

6. Cincinnati Bengals, Michael Oher, OT, Ole Miss
I have no clue how to grade offensive lineman, but I do know Oher has rare talent, and could get people in Cincy talking about a players character for the right reasons...

7. Oakland Raiders, Jeremy Maclin, WR, Missouri
Jamarcus can chuck it, Maclin can go and catch it. With Oakland desperate for a target, can't see Al Davis passing on a player like Maclin.

8. Jacksonville Jaguars, Eugene Monroe, OT, Virginia
I read how the Jags biggest need is an OT, and they are in a great position to land a stud.

9. Green Bay Packers, BJ Raji, Boston College
The Pack need help on the D-line more than anything, and Raji can help against the run and the pass. He is coming off a monster senior season and should test extremely well. If he can sell himself well during interviews, he certainly has the talent to be worth this spot.

10. San Francisco 49ers, Mark Sanchez, QB, USC
You'd like more experience, but he has all the skills, and coming from a big time program like USC that runs a pro style offense, he is ready to play now. The niners need a Qb to build around, and the Cali product can be that guy.

11. Buffalo Bills, Jason Smith, OT, Baylor
For the Bills to win they need Trent Edwards to be healthy. Smith is known for his pass blocking.

12. Denver Broncos, Rey Maualuga, LB, USC
Denver tends to like speedy backers, and Maualuga fits the bill. He also has the skills to be a playmaker, and the fire to become the identity of a defense that needs one.

13. Washington Redskins, Andre Smith, OT, Alabama
Janssen could be done, and Smith could become a dominating right tackle.

14. New Orleans Saints, Malcom Jenkins, CB, Ohio State
Defense is obviously the direction they will go, and Jenkins would fill a major need at CB, and is great value at this spot.

15. Houston Texans, Tyson Jackson, DE, LSU
Settled for Jackson here, as I figured he could play opposite Super Mario, and would give the Texans 4 guys at or near 300lbs on that defensive line, and they had some trouble against the run.

16. San Diego Chargers, Beanie Wells, RB, Ohio State
If LT is done as a Charger, Wells would be a great compliment to Sproles and is good value here.

17. New York Jets, William Moore, S, Missouri
Good value and fills a very big need on that defense. Can ball hawk, and can also knock you out. Jets need a playmaker in that secondary.

18. Chicago Bears, Hakeem Nicks, WR, North Carolina
Nicks is a personal favorite of mine, extremely physical and strong, Nicks has great hands, and is more explosive than advertised. He'd be an excellent complement to Devin Hester. Could be the next Mushin Muhommed.

19. Tampa Bay Buccaneers, Josh Freeman, QB, Kansas State
Really don't like how this draft unfolds from a Bucs POV. I considered Peria Jerry, but am not sold on him and his maxed out frame. He doesn't really help stop the run either, and Haye is a pretty solid player at UT. Freeman has a physical package comparable to a more athletic Jamarcus Russel. He comes from a pro style offense, and since the Bucs look like they are going to be starting from scratch, a Qb makes alot of sense here. I'd consider trading down, but I'm not doing trades in this mock.

[#1Pewter_Pirate]

1. Peria Jerry, DT, Ole Miss
2. LeSean McCoy, HB, Pittsburgh
3. Graham Harrell, QB, Texas Tech

[mistalongtran]

***UPDATED 09 NFL MOCK DRAFT***

Round 1

1. Detroit Lions - Eugene Monroe - OT - Virginia
2. St. Louis Rams - Andre Smith - OT - Alabama
3. Kansas City Chiefs - Aaron Curry - OLB43 - Wake Forest
4. Seattle Seahawks - Michael Crabtree - WRF - Texas Tech
5. Cleveland Browns - Malcolm Jenkins - CB - Ohio State
6. Cincinnatti Bengals - Michael Oher - OT - Mississippi
7. Oakland Raiders - B.J. Raji - DT34/DT43 - Boston College
8. Jacksonville Jaguars - Jason Smith - OT - Baylor
9. Green Bay Packers - Everette Brown - DE43/OLB34 - Florida State
10. San Francisco 49ers - Brian Orakpo - DE43/OLB34 - Texas
11. Buffalo Bills - Brian Cushing - OLB43 - Southern California
12. Denver Broncos - Knowshon Moreno - RBF - Georgia
13. Washington Redskins - Rey Maualuga - ILB - Southern California
14. New Orleans Saints - Peria Jerry - DT43/DE34 - Mississippi
15. Houston Texans - D.J. Moore - CB - Vanderbilt
16. San Diego Chargers - Jeremy Maclin - WRF/WFS - Missouri
17. New York Jets - Matthew Stafford - QB - Georgia
18. Chicago Bears - Vontae Davis - CB - Illinois
19. Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Mark Sanchez - QB - Southern California
20. Detroit Lions - James Laurinaitis - ILB - Ohio State
21. Philadelphia Eagles - Brandon Pettigrew - TE - Oklahoma State
22. Minnesota Vikings - Percy Harvin - WRS - Florida
23. New Enland Patriots - William Beatty - OT - Connecticut
24. Atlanta Falcons - Alphonso Smith - CB - Wake Forest
25. Miami Dolphins - Clint Sintim - OLB43/OLB34 - Virginia
26. Baltimore Ravens - Hakeem Nicks - WRF/WFP - North Carolina
27. Indianapolis Colts - Fili Moala - DT - Southern California
28. Philadelphia Eagles - Michael Johnson - DE43/OLB34 - Georgia Tech
29. New York Giants - Eben Britton - OT - Arizona
30. Tennessee Titans - Tyson Jackson - DE43/DE34 - Louisiana State
31. Arizona Cardinals - Chris Wells - RBF - Ohio State
32. Pittsburgh Steelers - Duke Robinson - OG - Oklahoma

Round 2

1. Detroit Lions - Paul Kruger - DE43/OLB34 - Utah
2. Kansas City Chiefs - Alex Mack - OC - California
3. St. Louis Rams - Sean Smith - CB - Utah
4. Cleveland Browns - Aaron Maybin - OLB34/OLB43 - Penn State
5. Seattle Seahawks - Lesean McCoy - RBF - Pittsburgh
6. Cincinnatti Bengals - Larry English - OLB43 - Northern Illinois
7. Jacksonville Jaguars - Darrius Heyward Bey - WRF - Maryland
8. Oakland Raiders - Derrick Williams - WRF - Penn State
9. Greenbay Packers - Darius Butler - CB - Connecticut
10. Buffalo Bills - Connor Barwin - DE43/OLB34 - Cincinnatti
11. San Francisco 49ers - Jamon Meredith - OT - South Carolina
12. Miami Dolphins - William Moore - FS - Missouri
13. New York Giants - Clay Matthews - OLB34/OLB43 - Southern California
14. Houston Texans - Patrick Chung - SS - Oregon
15. New England Patriots- Coye Francies - CB - San Jose State
16. Denver Broncos - Max Unger - OC - Oregon
17. Chicago Bears - Brian Robiskie - WRF - Ohio State
18. Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Phil Loadholt - OT - Oklahoma
19. Dallas Cowboys - Herman Johnson - OG - Louisiana State
20. New York Jets - Juaquin Iglesias - WRF - Oklahoma
21. Philadelphia Eagles - Shonn Greene - RB - Iowa
22. Minnesota Vikings - Josh Freeman - QB - Kansas State
23. Atlanta Falcons - Evander Hood - DT43 - Missouri
24. Miami Dolphins - Victor Harris - CB - Virginia Tech
25. Baltimore Ravens - Jairus Byrd - CB - Oregon
26. New England Patriots - Kenny Britt - WRP/WRF - Rutgers
27. Carolina Panthers - Sen Derrick Marks - DT43 - Auburn
28. New York Giants - Chase Coffman - TE - Missouri
29. Indianapolis Colts - Asher Allen CB - Georgia
30. Tennessee Titans - Jonathan Luigs - OC - Arkansas
31. Arizona Cardinals - Robert Ayers - DE43/OLB34 - Tennessee
32. Pittsburgh Steelers - Fenuki Topou - OT - Oregon

1st Day draft selections...
1. Mark Sanchez - QB - Southern California
2. Phil Loadholt - OT - Oklahoma
3. Marcus Freeman - OLB43 - Ohio State

Resignings...
1. Antonio Bryant
2. Phillip Buchanon

Sign...
1. Albert Haynesworth
2. Darren Sproles

Franchise...
1. Jermaine Phillips

[JJRedick7]

-Draft-
1. Darrius Heyward-Bey WR Maryland (6-3) 40 time 4.3 (I'm sold)
2. Rhett Bomar QB Sam Houston (when I first heard about this guy I was a bit skeptical but the more I look into this guy the more I like. The Combine will make/break this guy)
3. Jovan Ringer RB Michigan State (It is very possible he drops this low he's probably "rated" the 5th or 6th best RB but I still believe he would be a steal and he would bolster our backfield [incase Caddy {God forbid} goes down again])

[TornadoRex]

I would throw my TV off the roof if our draft turned out like either of those.

[JJRedick7]

I would throw my TV off the roof if our draft turned out like either of those.

Which draft?

[TornadoRex]

Your's or mista

[xxxbucfan88xxx]

I like the first pick if raji is gone... but i think round two will be fili moala from usc (perfect size/speed combo for our D).

[xxxbucfan88xxx]

***UPDATED 09 NFL MOCK DRAFT***

Round 1

1. Detroit Lions - Eugene Monroe - OT - Virginia
2. St. Louis Rams - Andre Smith - OT - Alabama
3. Kansas City Chiefs - Aaron Curry - OLB43 - Wake Forest
4. Seattle Seahawks - Michael Crabtree - WRF - Texas Tech
5. Cleveland Browns - Malcolm Jenkins - CB - Ohio State
6. Cincinnatti Bengals - Michael Oher - OT - Mississippi
7. Oakland Raiders - B.J. Raji - DT34/DT43 - Boston College
8. Jacksonville Jaguars - Jason Smith - OT - Baylor
9. Green Bay Packers - Everette Brown - DE43/OLB34 - Florida State
10. San Francisco 49ers - Brian Orakpo - DE43/OLB34 - Texas
11. Buffalo Bills - Brian Cushing - OLB43 - Southern California
12. Denver Broncos - Knowshon Moreno - RBF - Georgia
13. Washington Redskins - Rey Maualuga - ILB - Southern California
14. New Orleans Saints - Peria Jerry - DT43/DE34 - Mississippi
15. Houston Texans - D.J. Moore - CB - Vanderbilt
16. San Diego Chargers - Jeremy Maclin - WRF/WFS - Missouri
17. New York Jets - Matthew Stafford - QB - Georgia
18. Chicago Bears - Vontae Davis - CB - Illinois
19. Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Mark Sanchez - QB - Southern California
20. Detroit Lions - James Laurinaitis - ILB - Ohio State
21. Philadelphia Eagles - Brandon Pettigrew - TE - Oklahoma State
22. Minnesota Vikings - Percy Harvin - WRS - Florida
23. New Enland Patriots - William Beatty - OT - Connecticut
24. Atlanta Falcons - Alphonso Smith - CB - Wake Forest
25. Miami Dolphins - Clint Sintim - OLB43/OLB34 - Virginia
26. Baltimore Ravens - Hakeem Nicks - WRF/WFP - North Carolina
27. Indianapolis Colts - Fili Moala - DT - Southern California
28. Philadelphia Eagles - Michael Johnson - DE43/OLB34 - Georgia Tech
29. New York Giants - Eben Britton - OT - Arizona
30. Tennessee Titans - Tyson Jackson - DE43/DE34 - Louisiana State
31. Arizona Cardinals - Chris Wells - RBF - Ohio State
32. Pittsburgh Steelers - Duke Robinson - OG - Oklahoma

Round 2

1. Detroit Lions - Paul Kruger - DE43/OLB34 - Utah
2. Kansas City Chiefs - Alex Mack - OC - California
3. St. Louis Rams - Sean Smith - CB - Utah
4. Cleveland Browns - Aaron Maybin - OLB34/OLB43 - Penn State
5. Seattle Seahawks - Lesean McCoy - RBF - Pittsburgh
6. Cincinnatti Bengals - Larry English - OLB43 - Northern Illinois
7. Jacksonville Jaguars - Darrius Heyward Bey - WRF - Maryland
8. Oakland Raiders - Derrick Williams - WRF - Penn State
9. Greenbay Packers - Darius Butler - CB - Connecticut
10. Buffalo Bills - Connor Barwin - DE43/OLB34 - Cincinnatti
11. San Francisco 49ers - Jamon Meredith - OT - South Carolina
12. Miami Dolphins - William Moore - FS - Missouri
13. New York Giants - Clay Matthews - OLB34/OLB43 - Southern California
14. Houston Texans - Patrick Chung - SS - Oregon
15. New England Patriots- Coye Francies - CB - San Jose State
16. Denver Broncos - Max Unger - OC - Oregon
17. Chicago Bears - Brian Robiskie - WRF - Ohio State
18. Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Phil Loadholt - OT - Oklahoma
19. Dallas Cowboys - Herman Johnson - OG - Louisiana State
20. New York Jets - Juaquin Iglesias - WRF - Oklahoma
21. Philadelphia Eagles - Shonn Greene - RB - Iowa
22. Minnesota Vikings - Josh Freeman - QB - Kansas State
23. Atlanta Falcons - Evander Hood - DT43 - Missouri
24. Miami Dolphins - Victor Harris - CB - Virginia Tech
25. Baltimore Ravens - Jairus Byrd - CB - Oregon
26. New England Patriots - Kenny Britt - WRP/WRF - Rutgers
27. Carolina Panthers - Sen Derrick Marks - DT43 - Auburn
28. New York Giants - Chase Coffman - TE - Missouri
29. Indianapolis Colts - Asher Allen CB - Georgia
30. Tennessee Titans - Jonathan Luigs - OC - Arkansas
31. Arizona Cardinals - Robert Ayers - DE43/OLB34 - Tennessee
32. Pittsburgh Steelers - Fenuki Topou - OT - Oregon

1st Day draft selections...
1. Mark Sanchez - QB - Southern California
2. Phil Loadholt - OT - Oklahoma
3. Marcus Freeman - OLB43 - Ohio State

Resignings...
1. Antonio Bryant
2. Phillip Buchanon

Sign...
1. Albert Haynesworth
2. Darren Sproles

Franchise...
1. Jermaine Phillips

Why would you waste our tag on phillips? hes to injury prone and sabby filled in nicely... if we cant resign him let him walk. Sproles and haynesworth are both staying put too.

[UMiamiBucFan]

Why would you waste our tag on phillips? hes to injury prone and sabby filled in nicely... if we cant resign him let him walk. Sproles and haynesworth are both staying put too.

Because Sabby is ALSO injury prone.

[mistalongtran]

Because Sabby is ALSO injury prone.

What he said...

[jbucs13]

Why would you waste our tag on phillips? hes to injury prone and sabby filled in nicely... if we cant resign him let him walk. Sproles and haynesworth are both staying put too.

Sabby filled in nicely. What part of 0-3 in the last three games do you forget. We also almost lost against KC when he played. He may be good but it is going to take some time. Phillips is a force when he plays and we should franchise him

[mistalongtran]

I would throw my TV off the roof if our draft turned out like either of those.

Positions lacking the most depth and starting quality
1. DT43, WRF
2. OT
3. QB, DE43, OLB43, WRS
4. CB

WRF: Feature WR
WRS: Small and speedy

Instead of reaching for a DT, WRF, or an OT, I would imagine the team goes BPA. Both Harvin and Sanchez would fill team needs, and although i'de prefer Harvin over Sanchez, Sanchez is the BPA at that point. Signing Haynesworth, and resigning Bryant would eliminate the two most glaring needs on the team, and drafting Loadholt would eliminate the teams 3rd position it lacks most. Likewise, Freeman would fill another.

Which part of the draft didn't you like?

[xxxbucfan88xxx]

Sabby filled in nicely. What part of 0-3 in the last three games do you forget. We also almost lost against KC when he played. He may be good but it is going to take some time. Phillips is a force when he plays and we should franchise him


why would you pay him the average salary of the top players at his position? hes good but not great plus hes injured all the time

[TornadoRex]

Positions lacking the most depth and starting quality
1. DT43, WRF
2. OT
3. QB, DE43, OLB43, WRS
4. CB

WRF: Feature WR
WRS: Small and speedy

Instead of reaching for a DT, WRF, or an OT, I would imagine the team goes BPA. Both Harvin and Sanchez would fill team needs, and although i'de prefer Harvin over Sanchez, Sanchez is the BPA at that point. Signing Haynesworth, and resigning Bryant would eliminate the two most glaring needs on the team, and drafting Loadholt would eliminate the teams 3rd position it lacks most. Likewise, Freeman would fill another.

Which part of the draft didn't you like?

I don't necessarily hate the Sanchez pick. I'm in the middle of that spectrum of people who either completely hate him and those who apparently are in his family.

I think we need more help on defense than waiting until the 3rd and I'm not a big fan of Freeman. I'm hoping if we decide to spend 80 million on Haynesworth that he comes through.

[caddy&clayton]

BUMP!

Don't know where this thread went, but I have a new mock. I now have two very different mocks, both depending on where Detroit goes at number 1. The first one may surprise you.

1 - DET: Aaron Curry, LB
2 - STL: Eugene Monroe, OT
3 - KC: Brian Orakpo, DE
4 - SEA: Michael Crabtree, WR
5 - CLE: Everette Brown, OLB
6 - CIN: Jason Smith, OT
7 - OAK: Jeremy Maclin, WR
8 - JAX: Andre Smith, OL
9 - GB: BJ Raji, DT
10 - SF: Michael Oher, OT
11 - BUF: Brandon Pettigrew, TE
12 - DEN: Rey Mauluga, LB
13 - WAS: Eben Britton, OT
14 - NO: Malcom Jenkins, CB
15 - HOU: Vontae Davis, CB
16 - SD: Knowshon Moreno, CB
17 - NYJ: Matt Stafford, QB
18 - CHI: Larry English, DE
19 - TB: Mark Sanchez, QB
20 - DET: Peria Jerry, DT
21 - PHI: Chris Wells, RB
22 - MIN: Alphonso Smith, CB
23 - NE: DJ Moore, CB
24 - ATL: James Lauranitis, LB
25 - MIA: Brian Cushing, LB
26 - BAL: Kenny Britt, WR
27 - IND: Tyson Jackson, DL
28 - PHI: William Beatty, OT
29 - NYG: Clint Sintim, LB
30 - TEN: Hakeem Nicks, WR
31 - ARI: Lesean McCoy, RB
32 - PIT: Alex Mack, OL




Now here's my other, more typical one.

1 - DET: Matt Stafford, QB
2 - STL: Eugene Monroe, OT
3 - KC: Arron Curry, LB
4 - SEA: Michael Crabtree, WR
5 - CLE: Everette Brown, OLB
6 - CIN: Jason Smith, OT
7 - OAK: Jeremy Maclin, WR
8 - JAX: Andre Smith, OT
9 - GB: Brian Orakpo, OLB
10 - SF: BJ Raji, DT
11 - BUF: Brandon Pettigrew, TE
12 - DEN: Rey Mauluga, LB
13 - WAS: Michael Oher, OT
14 - NO: Malcom Jenkins, DB
15 - HOU: Vontae Davies, CB
16 - SD: Knowshon Moreno, RB
17 - NYJ: Mark Sanchez, QB
18 - CHI: Larry English, DE
19 - TB: Hakeem Nicks, WR
20 - DET: Eben Britton, OT
21 - PHI: Chris Wells, RB
22 - MIN: Alphonso Smith, CB
23 - NE: DJ Moore, CB
24 - ATL: Brian Cushing, LB
25 - MIA: James Lauranitis, LB
26 - BAL: Kenny Britt, WR
27 - IND: Peria Jerry, DT
28 - PHI: William Beatty, OT
29 - NYG: Clint Sintim, LB
30 - TEN: Darrius-Heyward Bey, WR
31 - ARI: Lesean McCoy, RB
32 - PIT: Alex Mack, OL


The reason I said the Lions may take Curry is for two reasons. 1) He is probably the safest player in the draft. 2) I think when you are building a team from the ground up with 3 early picks, you try to make one unit great. That is the main reason I think taking an OT #1 would be awful for Detroit. Because that way, you could get a good line, but both Sanchez and Stafford will almost certianly be gone by 20. The two ways to make one unit great in this draft with those picks would be either QB, OL, OL, or LB, DL, DL. And with a defensive minded coach, it is very possible that the Lions choose to make their Defense the great unit.

[bucfanwill]

My Mock Draft
1) Mark Sanchez QB. USC :confused:
2) Ron Brace DT. Boston College
3) Nic Harris OLB. Oklahoma
4) Demetrius ByrdWR. L.S.U

[Buccs4Lyfe]

Round 1 : Chris Wells RB OHIO STATE
Round 2: Jermaine Gresham TE OKLAHOMA
Round 3 Juaquin Iglesias WR OKLAHOMA
Round 4 Demonte Bolden DT TENNESSEE
Round 5 Augustus Parrish OT KENT STATE
Round 6 Donald Washington CB OHIO STATE
Round 7 Mike Thomas WR Arizona

[TornadoRex]

^^^^

It would help if the players in your mock are actually going to be in the draft...

[VeeJay]

Just say not to a QB in the 1st or 2nd

1. Jerry Peria DT, Ole Miss
2. Troy Kropog OT, Tulane
3. James Davis RB, Clemson
4. Brooks Foster WR, North Carolina
5. Phillip Hunt DE, Houston
6. Trade w/Detroit- '09' 6th rd. pick & Jeremy Trueblood for Drew Stanton
7. Graham Gano K, FSU

[mistalongtran]

***UPDATED 09 NFL MOCK DRAFT***

Round 1

1. Detroit Lions - Aaron Curry - OLB 43 - Wake Forest
2. St. Louis Rams - Michael Crabtree - WRF - Texas Tech
3. Kansas City Chiefs - Eugene Monroe - OT - Virginia
4. Seattle Seahawks - Andre Smith - OT - Alabama
5. Cleveland Browns - Everette Brown - DE43/OLB34 - Florida State
6. Cincinnatti Bengals - Jason Smith - OT - Baylor
7. Oakland Raiders - Brian Orakpo - DE43/OLB34 - Texas
8. Jacksonville Jaguars - B.J. Raji - DT43 - Boston College
9. Green Bay Packers - Malcolm Jenkins - CB - Ohio State
10. San Francisco 49ers - Michael Oher - OT - Mississippi
11. Buffalo Bills - Brian Cushing - OLB43 - Southern California
12. Denver Broncos - Rey Maualuga - ILB - Southern California
13. Washington Redskins - James Laurinaitis - ILB - Ohio State
14. New Orleans Saints - Peria Jerry - DT43/DE34 - Mississippi
15. Houston Texans - Aaron Maybin - OLB34/OLB43 - Penn State
16. San Diego Chargers - Knowshon Moreno - RBF - Georgia
17. New York Jets - Matthew Stafford - QB - Georgia
18. Chicago Bears - Tyson Jackson - DE43/DE34 - Louisiana State
19. Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Jeremy Maclin - WRF/WRS - Missouri
20. Detroit Lions - D.J. Moore - CB - Vanderbilt
21. Philadelphia Eagles - Brandon Pettigrew - TE - Oklahoma State
22. Minnesota Vikings - Mark Sanchez - QB - Southern California
23. New Enland Patriots - Clay Matthews - OLB34/OLB43 - Southern California
24. Atlanta Falcons - Vontae Davis - CB - Illinois
25. Miami Dolphins - Alphonso Smith - CB - Wake Forest
26. Baltimore Ravens - Darrius Heyward Bey - WRF - Maryland
27. Indianapolis Colts - Chris Wells - RBF - Ohio State
28. Philadelphia Eagles - Lesean Mccoy - RBF - Pittsburgh
29. New York Giants - Larry English - OLB43 - Northern Illinois
30. Tennessee Titans - Percy Harvin - WRS - Florida
31. Arizona Cardinals - William Beatty - OT - Connecticut
32. Pittsburgh Steelers - Eben Britton - OT - Arizona

Round 2

1. Detroit Lions - Alex Mack - OC - California
2. Kansas City Chiefs - Robert Ayers - DE 43/OLB34 - Tennessee
3. St. Louis Rams - Sean Smith - CB - Utah
4. Cleveland Browns - Darius Butler - CB - Connecticut
5. Seattle Seahawks - Hakeem Nicks - WRF/WRP - North Carolina
6. Cincinnatti Bengals - Max Unger - OC - Oregon
7. Jacksonville Jaguars - Derrick Williams - WRF - Penn State
8. Oakland Raiders - Brian Robiskie - WRF - Ohio State
9. Greenbay Packers - Clint Sintim - OLB43/OLB34 - Virginia
10. Buffalo Bills - Michael Johnson - DE43/OLB34 - Georgia Tech
11. San Francisco 49ers - Paul Kruger - DE43/OLB34 - Utah
12. Miami Dolphins - Jamon Meredith - OT - South Carolina
13. New York Giants - Kenny Britt - WRP/WRF - Rutgers
14. Houston Texans - Duke Robinson - OG - Oklahoma
15. New England Patriots - Patrick Chung - SS - Oregon
16. Denver Broncos - Shonn Greene - RBF - Iowa
17. Chicago Bears - William Moore - FS - Missouri
18. Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Evander Hood - DT - Missouri
19. Dallas Cowboys - Herman Johnson - OG - Louisiana State
20. New York Jets - Jairus Byrd - CB - Oregon
21. Philadelphia Eagles - Coye Francies - CB - San Jose State
22. Minnesota Vikings - Josh Freeman - QB - Kansas State
23. Atlanta Falcons - Phil Loadholt - OT - Oklahoma
24. Miami Dolphins - Connor Barwin - DE43/OLB34 - Cincinnatti
25. Baltimore Ravens - Victor Harris - CB - Virginia Tech
26. New England Patriots - Louis Delmas - FS - Western Michigan
27. Carolina Panthers - Fili Moala - DT43 - Southern California
28. New York Giants - Chase Coffman - TE - Missouri
29. Indianapolis Colts - Sen Derrick Marks - DT43 - Auburn
30. Tennessee Titans - Juaquin Iglesias - WRF - Oklahoma
31. Arizona Cardinals - Donald Brown - RBF - Connecticut
32. Pittsburgh Steelers - Mike Mickens - CB - Cincinnatti

1st Day draft selections...
1. Jeremy Maclin - WRF/WRS - Missouri
2. Evander Hood - DT43 - Missouri
3. Fenuki Topou - OT - Oregon/ Troy Fropog - OT - Tulane

Resignings...
1. Antonio Bryant - WRF
2. Phillip Buchanon - CB

Sign...
1. Terrel Suggs - OLB34/DE43 - Baltimore
2. Leroy Hill - OLB43 - Seattle


Franchise...
1. Jermaine Phillips - SS

[GotQB?]

6. Trade w/Detroit- '09' 6th rd. pick & Jeremy Trueblood for Drew Stanton

Very interesting Idea, its pretty obvious at this point Detroit won't be looking at him as a starter any time soon/ever and they obviously again don't have the greatest evaluation in talent lol.

[Handiman1031]

***UPDATED 09 NFL MOCK DRAFT***

Round 1

22. Minnesota Vikings - Mark Sanchez - QB - Southern California


Round 2

22. Minnesota Vikings - Josh Freeman - QB - Kansas State



Just wondering what your reasoning would be for the Vikings to spend their first two picks on a QB?

[mistalongtran]

Just wondering what your reasoning would be for the Vikings to spend their first two picks on a QB?

Oops! Ill fix that in my next updated mock. I obviously didnt remember giving Minnesota a QB in the 1st.

[mistalongtran]

***UPDATED 09 NFL MOCK DRAFT***

Round 1

1. Detroit Lions - Aaron Curry - OLB 43 - Wake Forest
2. St. Louis Rams - Michael Crabtree - WRF - Texas Tech
3. Kansas City Chiefs - Eugene Monroe - OT - Virginia
4. Seattle Seahawks - Andre Smith - OT - Alabama
5. Cleveland Browns - Everette Brown - DE43/OLB34 - Florida State
6. Cincinnatti Bengals - Jason Smith - OT - Baylor
7. Oakland Raiders - Brian Orakpo - DE43/OLB34 - Texas
8. Jacksonville Jaguars - B.J. Raji - DT43 - Boston College
9. Green Bay Packers - Malcolm Jenkins - CB - Ohio State
10. San Francisco 49ers - Michael Oher - OT - Mississippi
11. Buffalo Bills - Brian Cushing - OLB43 - Southern California
12. Denver Broncos - Rey Maualuga - ILB - Southern California
13. Washington Redskins - James Laurinaitis - ILB - Ohio State
14. New Orleans Saints - Peria Jerry - DT43/DE34 - Mississippi
15. Houston Texans - Aaron Maybin - OLB34/OLB43 - Penn State
16. San Diego Chargers - Knowshon Moreno - RBF - Georgia
17. New York Jets - Matthew Stafford - QB - Georgia
18. Chicago Bears - Tyson Jackson - DE43/DE34 - Louisiana State
19. Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Jeremy Maclin - WRF/WRS - Missouri
20. Detroit Lions - D.J. Moore - CB - Vanderbilt
21. Philadelphia Eagles - Brandon Pettigrew - TE - Oklahoma State
22. Minnesota Vikings - Mark Sanchez - QB - Southern California
23. New Enland Patriots - Clay Matthews - OLB34/OLB43 - Southern California
24. Atlanta Falcons - Vontae Davis - CB - Illinois
25. Miami Dolphins - Alphonso Smith - CB - Wake Forest
26. Baltimore Ravens - Darrius Heyward Bey - WRF - Maryland
27. Indianapolis Colts - Chris Wells - RBF - Ohio State
28. Philadelphia Eagles - Lesean Mccoy - RBF - Pittsburgh
29. New York Giants - Larry English - OLB43 - Northern Illinois
30. Tennessee Titans - Percy Harvin - WRS - Florida
31. Arizona Cardinals - William Beatty - OT - Connecticut
32. Pittsburgh Steelers - Eben Britton - OT - Arizona

Round 2

1. Detroit Lions - Alex Mack - OC - California
2. Kansas City Chiefs - Robert Ayers - DE 43/OLB34 - Tennessee
3. St. Louis Rams - Sean Smith - CB - Utah
4. Cleveland Browns - Darius Butler - CB - Connecticut
5. Seattle Seahawks - Hakeem Nicks - WRF/WRP - North Carolina
6. Cincinnatti Bengals - Max Unger - OC - Oregon
7. Jacksonville Jaguars - Derrick Williams - WRF - Penn State
8. Oakland Raiders - Brian Robiskie - WRF - Ohio State
9. Greenbay Packers - Clint Sintim - OLB43/OLB34 - Virginia
10. Buffalo Bills - Michael Johnson - DE43/OLB34 - Georgia Tech
11. San Francisco 49ers - Paul Kruger - DE43/OLB34 - Utah
12. Miami Dolphins - Jamon Meredith - OT - South Carolina
13. New York Giants - Kenny Britt - WRP/WRF - Rutgers
14. Houston Texans - Duke Robinson - OG - Oklahoma
15. New England Patriots - Patrick Chung - SS - Oregon
16. Denver Broncos - Shonn Greene - RBF - Iowa
17. Chicago Bears - William Moore - FS - Missouri
18. Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Evander Hood - DT - Missouri
19. Dallas Cowboys - Herman Johnson - OG - Louisiana State
20. New York Jets - Jairus Byrd - CB - Oregon
21. Philadelphia Eagles - Coye Francies - CB - San Jose State
22. Minnesota Vikings - Phil Loadholt - OT - Oklahoma
23. Atlanta Falcons - Fili Moala - DT43 - Southern California
24. Miami Dolphins - Connor Barwin - DE43/OLB34 - Cincinnatti
25. Baltimore Ravens - Victor Harris - CB - Virginia Tech
26. New England Patriots - Louis Delmas - FS - Western Michigan
27. Carolina Panthers - Sen Derrick Marks - DT43 - Auburn
28. New York Giants - Chase Coffman - TE - Missouri
29. Indianapolis Colts - Juaquin Iglesias - WRF - Oklahoma
30. Tennessee Titans - Mike Mickens - CB - Cincinnatti
31. Arizona Cardinals - Donald Brown - RBF - Connecticut
32. Pittsburgh Steelers - Asher Allen - CB - Georgia

1st Day draft selections...
1. Jeremy Maclin - WRF/WRS - Missouri
2. Evander Hood - DT43 - Missouri
3. Fenuki Topou - OT - Oregon/ Troy Fropog - OT - Tulane

Resignings...
1. Antonio Bryant - WRF
2. Phillip Buchanon - CB
3. Luke McCown - QB

Sign...
1. Terrel Suggs - OLB34/DE43 - Baltimore
2. Leroy Hill - OLB43 - Seattle


Franchise...
1. Jermaine Phillips - SS

[Handiman1031]

At this point I think Antonio Bryant will be here next year whether it's with the contract or Tag. So I looked at a few ways we could go in the draft under different scenarios. I'd be extremely happy with any of these out comes.

Mock One:

Round 1: NC WR Hakeem Nicks- If we lose Clayton and its clear to our evaluators that Galloway is in fact done I'm not thinking that Hakeem will be available at our pick in the second. I think this kid is going to be a great receiver and i'm sure many scouts will think so as well.

Round 2: GT DE Michael Johnson- This kid is a physical specimen! If we can get him with our second rounder I would be all for giving Bates and the D-line staff a chance to turn him into a monster.

Round 3: UConn RB Donald Brown- This kid is my favorite back in the draft, once again if he falls to our 3rd ala Kevin Smith from last year we'd be stupid not to nab him. This is especially the case if Caddy and EG aren't coming along as quickly as we would hope.

Round 4: USC DT Fili Moala- Since I haven't picked a DT up to this point I hope we can get a steal in the 4th as I think Fili has the potential to drop. I liked what I saw out of him and Jerry at the senior bowl. It appeared those two were getting more of a push than Brace and Raji were from what I saw.

Round 5: Stillman DT Sammie Lee Hill- Something tells me Hill will be the steal of the draft. Extremely high character guy. Determined to prove him self at the next level and he has the size Bates covets. Look up some interviews on this kid, I guarantee you will like what you read.

Round 6: Troy CB Sherrod Martin- Has potential to be a role player. His speed and tackling stills will make him a standout on special teams.

Round 7: LSU FB Quinn Johnson- I would love to have a big, bruising blocker at the FB position again. I like Askew don't get me wrong, but if you can get a guy like Johnson late in the draft it's a no brainer.


Mock Two:

Round 1: Ole Miss DT Peria Jerry- I think if Jerry has a big body next to him on the line he will do some serious damage with the push he creates. I definitely wouldn't be upset if we went this route, especially if we don't sure up the position in some shape or form in FA.

Round 2: GT DE Michael Johnson- see above.

Round 3: Utah CB/SS Sean Smith- Kid has a knack for making plays. Could play safety or Corner in the NFL, but his is a big kid who would translate into a press corner.

Round 4: Rice TE James Casey- If we lose Stevens a guy like Casey could be a very nice target for our QB. This guy is going to be a big time receiving threat for some team.

Round 5: Liberty RB Rashad Jennings- Getting Jennings in the 5th would be good value if he pans out. He is a big hard runner who could wear out defenses for us ala Brandon Jacobs.

Round 6: Stillman DT Sammie Lee Hill- See above.

Round 7: LSU FB Quinn Johnson- See above.


Mock Three:

Round 1: Ole Miss DT Peria Jerry- see above.

Round 2: UConn OT William Beatty- Most have him projecting to Left Tackle, but who's to say we can't plug him in at RT. Has great foot work and is quick enough to get to the next level. If he is here it would be a good value pick and we could put the O-line tooling to rest for a while.

Round 3: Ohio St. WR Brian Robiskie- Prototipical West Coast receiver, if he makes it to our third and Clayton leaves we will snag him up.

Round 4: Ohio St. LB Marcus Freeman- We need to find someone who can replace Brooks or at least provide depth behind him. Geno Hayes getting hurt early was a big disappointment last year. I really would have liked to see him step in for Brooks when he got hurt. Freeman is a good value here.

Round 5: Stillman DT Sammie Lee Hill- See above.

Round 6: Lawrence Sidbury, Jr.- A couple years ago I really wanted the Bucs to pick up Mark Anderson with a late pick. Sidbury kind of reminds me of him. Situational rusher, but could provide pressure on obvious passing downs.

Round 7: LSU FB Quinn Johnson- See above.


Other Notables:

Beanie Wells- I really like the kid when I watch him, but with the whole Caddy deal I am afraid to pick an already injury prone back. Seems you can find great backs late and undrafted very often. Love this kids stiff arm and burst though.

Alphonso Smith- Kid is a game breaker, But he would get man handled by Fitz, Boldin or any other big receiver in most match-ups. For a first i'd be iffy, 2nd go for it!

Josh Freeman- I know a lot of people don't like him, but if he lasts into the second when we pick I wouldn't be upset if he was selected. His measurables are ridiculous, I think he can be as good as Flacco at worst.

FSU K/P Graham Gano- Not sure he will even be selected, but he was booming kicks and punts all year for the Noles. If he isn't selected I hope he is an undrafted signee for us. Can't hurt to have him compete with Bidwell or Bryant.

[GlaserBeam]

Pick is best player available in order of team needs...
1st DL Jarron Gilbert, San Jose St.(tremendous first step...poor man's Mario)/ Connor Barwin DE 6'4" 255, Cincinnati(Mike Vrabel clone)
2nd (trade w/ Cleveland)
3rd Donald Brown RB, UCONN(trademark stiff arm)/ Tyrone McKenzie LB 6'2" 235, South Florida/ Austin Collie WR 6'2" 210 BYU(Looks like Jordy Nelson out of GB)
4th Domonique Johnson CB 6'2" 190, Jackson State(transfer from Missouri)/ Nic Harris LB 6'2" 235 Oklahoma
5th Jordan Norwood WR 5'10" 175 Penn State(poor man's Royal)/ Mitch King DL, Iowa(lives in the backfield)
6th Aaron Kelly WR 6'5" 200, Clemson/ Tony Flammetta FB 6'1 230, Syracuse/ Lardarius Webb DB 5'10" 185 Nicholls State
7th Graham Gano K, FSU/ Jake Richardson P 6'0" 205, Miami(OH)/ David Johnson QB 6'2" 220 Tulsa(2nd in the nation in passing efficiency)

[Nina27Bucs]

Walterfootball.com has a 4-round mock draft, here is what the Bucs picks look like on there:

1. Tyson Jackson, DE, LSU
2. Derrick Williams, WR, Penn State
3. Dorell Scott, DT, Clemson
4. James Casey, TE, Rice

I don't think I would be too thrilled with this draft...

[mistalongtran]

***UPDATED 09 NFL MOCK DRAFT***

Round 1

1. Detroit Lions - Aaron Curry - OLB 43 - Wake Forest
2. St. Louis Rams - Brian Orakpo - DE43/OLB34 - Texas
3. Kansas City Chiefs - Jason Smith - OT - Baylor
4. Seattle Seahawks - Michael Crabtree - WRF - Texas Tech
5. Cleveland Browns - Malcolm Jenkins - CB - Ohio State
6. Cincinnatti Bengals - Eugene Monroe - OT - Virginia
7. Oakland Raiders - Jeremy Maclin - WRF/WRS - Missouri
8. Jacksonville Jaguars - B.J. Raji - DT43 - Boston College
9. Green Bay Packers - Everette Brown - DE43/OLB34 - Florida State
10. San Francisco 49ers - Michael Oher - OT - Mississippi
11. Buffalo Bills - Brian Cushing - OLB43 - Southern California
12. Denver Broncos - Knowshon Moreno - RBF - Georgia
13. Washington Redskins - Rey Maualuga - ILB - Southern California
14. New Orleans Saints - D.J. Moore - CB - Vanderbilt
15. Houston Texans - Tyson Jackson - DE43/DE34 - Louisiana State
16. San Diego Chargers - Chris Wells - RBF - Ohio State
17. New York Jets - Matthew Stafford - QB - Georgia
18. Chicago Bears - Andre Smith - OT - Alabama
19. Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Peria Jerry - DT43/DE34 - Mississippi
20. Detroit Lions - Vontae Davis - CB - Illinois
21. Philadelphia Eagles - Brandon Pettigrew - TE - Oklahoma State
22. Minnesota Vikings - Mark Sanchez - QB - Southern California
23. New Enland Patriots - Aaron Maybin - OLB34/OLB43 - Penn State
24. Atlanta Falcons - Alphonso Smith - CB - Wake Forest
25. Miami Dolphins - Clay Matthews - OLB34/OLB43 - Southern California
26. Baltimore Ravens - Darrius Heyward Bey - WRF - Maryland
27. Indianapolis Colts - Lesean Mccoy - RBF - Pittsburgh
28. Philadelphia Eagles - Alex Mack - OC - California
29. New York Giants - Larry English - OLB43 - Northern Illinois
30. Tennessee Titans - Percy Harvin - WRS - Florida
31. Arizona Cardinals - Eben Britton - OT - Arizona
32. Pittsburgh Steelers - William Beatty - OT - Connecticut

Round 2

1. Detroit Lions - Robert Ayers - DE 43/OLB34 - Tennessee
2. Kansas City Chiefs - James Laurinaitis - ILB - Ohio State
3. St. Louis Rams - Sean Smith - CB - Utah
4. Cleveland Browns - Michael Johnson - DE43/OLB34 - Georgia Tech
5. Seattle Seahawks - Shonn Greene - RBF - Iowa
6. Cincinnatti Bengals - Max Unger - OC - Oregon
7. Jacksonville Jaguars - Hakeem Nicks - WRF/WRP - North Carolina
8. Oakland Raiders - Evander Hood - DT43/DE34 - Missouri
9. Greenbay Packers - Darius Butler - CB - Connecticut
10. Buffalo Bills - Chase Coffman - TE - Missouri
11. San Francisco 49ers - Duke Robinson - OG - Oklahoma
12. Miami Dolphins - Kenny Britt - WRP/WRF - Rutgers
13. New York Giants - Patrick Chung - SS - Oregon
14. Houston Texans - Clint Sintim - OLB43/OLB34 - Virginia
15. New England Patriots - Ron Brace - DT34/DT43 - Boston College
16. Denver Broncos - William Moore - FS - Missouri
17. Chicago Bears - Derrick Williams - WRF - Penn State
18. Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Paul Kruger - DE43/OLB34 - Utah
19. Dallas Cowboys - Jamon Meredith - OT - South Carolina
20. New York Jets - Coye Francies - CB - San Jose State
21. Philadelphia Eagles - Donald Brown - RBF - Connecticut
22. Minnesota Vikings - Phil Loadholt - OT - Oklahoma
23. Atlanta Falcons - Jarron Gilbert - DE43/DE34 - San Jose State
24. Miami Dolphins - Herman Johnson - OG - Louisiana State
25. Baltimore Ravens - Victor Harris - CB - Virginia Tech
26. New England Patriots - Louis Delmas - FS - Western Michigan
27. Carolina Panthers - Josh Freeman - QB - Kansas State
28. New York Giants - Brian Robiskie - WRF - Ohio State
29. Indianapolis Colts - Juaquin Iglesias - WRF - Oklahoma
30. Tennessee Titans - Rashad Jennings - RBF - Liberty
31. Arizona Cardinals - Javon Ringer - RBF - Michigan State
32. Pittsburgh Steelers - Eric Wood - OC - Louiseville

1st Day draft selections...
1. Peria Jerry - DT43/DE34 - Mississippi
2. Paul Kruger - DE43/OLB34 - Utah
3. Brandon Gibson - WRF/WRS - Washington State

Resignings...
1. Luke McCown - QB
2. Phillip Buchanon - CB
3. Jermaine Phillips - SS

Sign...
1. Albert Haynesworth - DT43 - Tennessee
2. Angelo Crowell - OLB43 - Buffalo

Franchise...
1. Antonio Bryant - WRF

[Agent Orange]

Does anyone question my scouting ability now? Look at the way my guys are flying up draft boards after the combine. I realize that many of you are still going with homer picks like Moreno and Freeman or any number of other picks but looking at where we are sitting right now this draft would have greatly improved our team. Being that there's no way some of my guys last until our 2nd round pick or possibly 1st I'm going to go ahead and submit my early 2nd edition mock for you non scout types...

Updated 02/24 Edition

1st round

Michael Johnson DE GT-Same pick. He fits our new defense perfectly. We will not be picking Peria Jerry here or picking a WR here after franchising Bryant. We will work out a contract with Bryant soon and there's no way we spend 1st round money on another WR who would end up being our 2nd receiver. Don't worry though because one that impressed big time last year and at the combine will be available later so don't panic and reach here!

2nd Round

Ron Brace DT BC-Jags will convince everybody that he's worth it. He is the big DT that we need for our defense. He is massive and very strong. He is exactly what Haynesworth is without the huge price tag. Two defenders in a row but filling huge needs with two very outstanding players. I think you'll see us address the defensive line and address it early without question. We're going to get more "physical"

3rd Round

Traded for Derek Anderson-This deal will happen if we can make it happen and you'll see Griese cut for salary cap/suck reasons. No way they let McCown go into the season as the untested starter and if someone doesn't fall to us here there is nobody on the board worth the pick more than Anderson imo. Anderson will be our starter next year.

4th Round

Kevin Ellison SS USC-If he is still here it would be incredible. We probably will lose Phillips to bigger money and Sabby is still not going to be able to step in because he takes bad angles and doesn't have the speed of the game down yet. Ellison is the run stopping SS who can put a crack on a WR that we need. This is one of my favorite picks of the mock.

5th Round

Pat White QB/WR WV-He really impressed a lot of people at the combine and with his bowl performances but he could still be available and if he is I think we take a shot at him. We need another QB/WR because if you look above I don't see us keeping Griese. We'll use him in the passing game as well as the running game. It should be a fun season on offense.

6th Round

Tiquan Underwood WR Rutgers-He was stuck behind Kenny Britt but as you could tell at the combine has all of the measurables and athletic ability to really break out in a wide open passing game. He's much more of a down field threat than Britt and could really improve our WR core.

[PoppaPewter]

Had me with round 1 and 2, if we trade for Anderson Dominik should be fired immediatly. Pat White will be gone before round 5 I would love the guy in a Bucs uni though, I would consider him as high as round 3/4 depending how needs are addressed through free agency....yes I like him as a QB, not a WR.

[Agent Orange]

Had me with round 1 and 2, if we trade for Anderson Dominik should be fired immediatly. Pat White will be gone before round 5 I would love the guy in a Bucs uni though, I would consider him as high as round 3/4 depending how needs are addressed through free agency....yes I like him as a QB, not a WR.

Look at who's available in the 3rd round on most major mocks. There's not much there. I was looking at Jarron Gilbert but he looks to have moved up past us in the 3rd. I also don't think we take him after taking two other DLman. I think a lot of you are highly underestimating what Anderson brings to the table. He outperformed Carson Palmer with less weapons. I'm sure you'd agree to take Palmer for a 3rd.

[caddy&clayton]

Right now, my dream bucs first day would be

1) Clint Sintim, LB, Virginia
2) Ron Brace, DT, Boston College

[DeadEagle]

Heh..... most of the posts in this thread went to complete **** at 1 PM today.



Keeps us on our toes, I guess.

[BigDaddy477]

how about
1)Peria Jerry, DT, Ole Miss
2)Derrick Williams, WR, Penn State
3)Donald Brown, RB, UCONN
4)Marcus Freeman, LB, Ohio State
5)Jasper Brinkley, LB, South Carolina
6)Graham Harrell, QB, TT

[Agent Orange]

Heh..... most of the posts in this thread went to complete **** at 1 PM today.



Keeps us on our toes, I guess.

I'm still sticking with my latest mock. I knew our defense was going to require a different type of personnel. I can't believe people are still picking Jerry after today's events. I can see a LB somewhere in our draft but I'm leaning more towards free agency right now to at least fill that position for this year.

[DeadEagle]

I'm still sticking with my latest mock. I knew our defense was going to require a different type of personnel. I can't believe people are still picking Jerry after today's events. I can see a LB somewhere in our draft but I'm leaning more towards free agency right now to at least fill that position for this year.


I had bantered about taking a LB even before Gruden got fired.... so it's not like the need wasn't there before. But there's a gaping hole on the roster now.


Right now.... our defense needs everything.... except a MLB and safeties.

[Alpha Alpha 408]

Heh..... most of the posts in this thread went to complete **** at 1 PM today.



Keeps us on our toes, I guess.

This thread went to **** when some clown had Stafford going at #17.

:rotf:

The first "clown" is Caddy...dude...just stop...

[caddy&clayton]

This thread went to **** when some clown had Stafford going at #17.

:rotf:

The first "clown" is Caddy...dude...just stop...

Yep...that was me. :p


I didn't think he would actually go there. It's just that I don't do trades, and I couldn't find anyone who would take him before the Jets, so I just dropped him there. If that scenario WERE to happen, I have no dout someone would trade up to get him before he dropped out of the top 7-ish. And besides, that was in my hypothetical mock draft for if the Lions were to take Curry. It wasn't something I necessarily expected to happen.

[Alpha Alpha 408]

It's just that I don't do trades, and I couldn't find anyone who would take him before the Jets...

I'm seriously NOT trying to bust your yam-sack here but if you honestly feel like this is an accurate statement, you have no clue.

1) In your demented mind, the first 4 teams to choose are "good" with what they have.

2) Do the 49ers even HAVE a QB on their roster!? (Yes...I know they do...)

3) Buffalo...Houston...

Screw trades...there are EASILY 6 or 7 teams that will jump all over Stafford before the Jets get within sniffing distance of him.

[BucFanInKC]

I would venture a guess that Stafford wouldn't fall past Kansas City.

[caddy&clayton]

I'm seriously NOT trying to bust your yam-sack here but if you honestly feel like this is an accurate statement, you have no clue.

1) In your demented mind, the first 4 teams to choose are "good" with what they have.

2) Do the 49ers even HAVE a QB on their roster!? (Yes...I know they do...)

3) Buffalo...Houston...

Screw trades...there are EASILY 6 or 7 teams that will jump all over Stafford before the Jets get within sniffing distance of him.

The 49ers seem happy with Hill. I watch a lot of Niners games, because my family is full of Niners fans, and he greatly improved down the stretch. KC is sticking with Thigpen. I haven't heard a peep out of Buffalo and Houston about wanting a QB...granted, GM's don't like to say what there plans are...a concept that has seemed impossible to grasp for many of the people over in TD.

[BucFanInKC]

Heh.

Let Stafford fall to Kansas City and see how long the Chiefs stick with Thiggy.

Remember, Haley is an offensive minded coach. Thigpen had better impress the hell out of that guy, or else he will be riding pine bench.

[caddy&clayton]

Heh.

Let Stafford fall to Kansas City and see how long the Chiefs stick with Thiggy.

Remember, Haley is an offensive minded coach. Thigpen had better impress the hell out of that guy, or else he will be riding pine bench.

You know, that never occured to me. Stafford may be just the QB Haley wants.

[Alpha Alpha 408]

Stafford won't make it to KC.

You people are flat-out HIGH if you think differently.

That is all.

[BucFanInKC]

I'd have to agree, the Lions should take Stafford.

[caddy&clayton]

I'd have to agree, the Lions should take Stafford.

I think they will too. Then they should take an OT at 20.

My draft with the Lions taking Curry was just a hypothetical look at what would happen if they decided to. It wasn't necessarily what I expected to happen.

[$YoungBucs$]

1 - DET: Matt Stafford, QB
2 - STL: Eugene Monroe, OT
3 - KC: Aaron Curry, LB
4 - SEA: Michael Crabtree, WR
5 - CLE: Brian Orakpo, DE
6 - CIN: Jason Smith, OT
7 - OAK: Jeremy Maclin, WR
8 - JAX: Andre Smith, OL
9 - GB: BJ Raji, DT
10 - SF: Hakeem Hicks, WR
11 - BUF: Michael Oher,OT
12 - DEN: Rey Mauluga, LB
13 - WAS: Aaron Maybin, DE
14 - NO: Vontae Davis, CB
15 - HOU: Everette Brown, DE
16 - SD: Knowshon Moreno, RB
17 - NYJ: Mark Sanchez, QB
18 - CHI: Tyson Jackson, DE
19 - TB: Brian Cushing, LB
20 - DET: Malcom Jenkins, CB
21 - PHI: Chris Wells, RB
22 - MIN: Josh Freeman, QB
23 - NE: DJ Moore, CB
24 - ATL: James Lauranitis, LB
25 - MIA: Clay Matthews, OLB
26 - BAL: Kenny Britt, WR
27 - IND: Tyson Jackson, DL
28 - PHI: Darrius Heyward-Bey, WR
29 - NYG: Clint Sintim, LB
30 - TEN: Percy Harvin, WR
31 - ARI: Donald Brown, RB
32 - PIT: Alex Mack, OL


what you think?

[caddy&clayton]

Right now, my dream Bucs draft would be to try to trade down with Miami or the Giants, giving them our 1st for both their seconds.

Then draft Hood or Brace with one of our two seconds. Who are our starting DT's next year? Hovan and Sims? *throws up* With the other, grab a Linebacker like Matthews.

If we can't trade down, then I would want the Bucs to take either Brian Cushing, Alphonso Smith, or Peria Jerry. MAYBE Knowshon Moreno, but our Defense is looking like it will suck next year. I know people will say Jerry is undersized for us, but he weighed in at 299 lbs at the combine. I think he'd be fine if we could find a bigger guy somewhere to play NT.

[Alpha Alpha 408]

I have nothing to go on but a hunch but I suspect we'll make a strong play for the RB from the Giants (Ward).

I just can't shake the feeling our "new" offense is going to look SOMETHING like what the Steelers and/or the Titans run.

It's looking more and more like we're going to be going defense with our #1 pick.

P. Jerry, Raji, Brown or Jackson (depending on one of them being available)

or

Highest remaining LB (Cushing ?)

Just a hunch...don't do mock drafts...this is just the way we're shaping up as FA progresses...

[LoyalBuc79]

Update your mocks... With Ward, Graham, Caddy and Clifton (he'll be "more utilized" on offense)... Take those RBs out! :biggrinre

[USMC3521]

"With the 19th pick in the 2009 NFL Draft, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers select Hakeem Nicks, Wide Receiver, University of North Carolina"

"With the 19th pick in the 2009 NFL Draft, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers select Clint Sintim, Linebacker, University of Virginia"


Either way, I'd be pretty happy. Even if we did trade back and get two seconds, I'd still be pretty stoked if we could get Brandon Tate. I watched a LOT of UNC football last year (Mrs. 3521's a PROUD Tar Heel), and I have to say that Nicks/Tate are gonna make some OC a very happy individual.

Sintim's just nasty. No other way to put it.

I'd also like to see Robert Ayers out of Tennessee in the third. Doubt he makes it that far, but it's nice to think about.



Serious question:
Just out of curiosity, does anyone here think that Maclin stands a chance of falling to us at 19?? That's the WR I want most of all. Bryant-Maclin-Clayton would be EVIL.