My Top 5 Ideal Scenarios with the 19th Pick (As of Mid-February)

[maryjanewatson]

Pretty self-explanatory.

1) Trade it for Anquan Boldin (throwing in later picks if needed).
Boldin is one of the top 5 receivers in the league. People forget this in all the Fitzgerald-love, but HE was getting some talk as a league MVP candidate early in the season. He's the toughest receiver in the NFL, he runs excellent routes, he can block, he can catch everything thrown near him, and he has sneaky speed.

2) Trade Back.
Philly got a 2nd and a future 1st (and change) from the Panthers for dealing out of the first round last year. Sign me up.

3) Trade it for Matt Cassel.
Is he Tom Brady? No. Is he a "B/B+" quarterback entering his prime who could win games for us for the next decade? I absolutely think so. I also don't think you're going to do better than that in this class.

4) Draft DJ Moore or Al Smith.
I do want a defensive tackle, but I can't talk myself into any of the (likely) available options in this class. Moore and Smith are both going to be good corners in this league, and either one (opposite Talib, with T-Jax and Sabby) would give us the best young secondary in football.

5) Draft Michael Johnson.
Opposite Adams? I'd like to see that.

[blackian]

Boldin is a great player, but he would cost more than just the 19 pick. There's definitely a market for him unlike some of the other disgruntled stars that have been available in past offseasons. If it were for simply the 19, I would be all for it. If the Bucs lose their second and fourth, or future picks, I would hate that. There's a pretty good chance this team will be in rebuild mode, it's hard to justify trading multiple draft picks for a wide receiver.

I'd rather them take Hakeem Nicks at 19 and keep the rest of the draft picks.

Also, I would rather have Knowshon Moreno over Michael Johnson or the two cornerbacks. I know that running backs are a dime a dozen in pro football, but Moreno would add a lot to the offense, and with a new QB next year, the running game is absolutely essential.

[Chebington]

Pretty self-explanatory.

1) Trade it for Anquan Boldin (throwing in later picks if needed).
Boldin is one of the top 5 receivers in the league. People forget this in all the Fitzgerald-love, but HE was getting some talk as a league MVP candidate early in the season. He's the toughest receiver in the NFL, he runs excellent routes, he can block, he can catch everything thrown near him, and he has sneaky speed.

2) Trade Back.
Philly got a 2nd and a future 1st (and change) from the Panthers for dealing out of the first round last year. Sign me up.

3) Trade it for Matt Cassel.
Is he Tom Brady? No. Is he a "B/B+" quarterback entering his prime who could win games for us for the next decade? I absolutely think so. I also don't think you're going to do better than that in this class.

4) Draft DJ Moore or Al Smith.
I do want a defensive tackle, but I can't talk myself into any of the (likely) available options in this class. Moore and Smith are both going to be good corners in this league, and either one (opposite Talib, with T-Jax and Sabby) would give us the best young secondary in football.

5) Draft Michael Johnson.
Opposite Adams? I'd like to see that.

I'd be down for your number 1 and 2 scenarios. Outside of that, I would be very miffed. Cassel is a maggot, the DL is soooo bad that it doesn't matter how good your secondary is, and Michael Johnson is a one dimensional putz who is an lazier, less athletic, and less talented version of simeon rice.

[DeadEagle]

Pretty self-explanatory.

1) Trade it for Anquan Boldin (throwing in later picks if needed).
Boldin is one of the top 5 receivers in the league. People forget this in all the Fitzgerald-love, but HE was getting some talk as a league MVP candidate early in the season. He's the toughest receiver in the NFL, he runs excellent routes, he can block, he can catch everything thrown near him, and he has sneaky speed.

2) Trade Back.
Philly got a 2nd and a future 1st (and change) from the Panthers for dealing out of the first round last year. Sign me up.

3) Trade it for Matt Cassel.
Is he Tom Brady? No. Is he a "B/B+" quarterback entering his prime who could win games for us for the next decade? I absolutely think so. I also don't think you're going to do better than that in this class.

4) Draft DJ Moore or Al Smith.
I do want a defensive tackle, but I can't talk myself into any of the (likely) available options in this class. Moore and Smith are both going to be good corners in this league, and either one (opposite Talib, with T-Jax and Sabby) would give us the best young secondary in football.

5) Draft Michael Johnson.
Opposite Adams? I'd like to see that.


Given the new schemes our staff has brought in, I think #2 would be the priority, and the first course of action. If that's not possible, go with the best players available.

Yes, we have our needs to take into consideration, but we'd be far better off loading up depth in a down draft year and plugging needs next year.

[maryjanewatson]

I'd be down for your number 1 and 2 scenarios. Outside of that, I would be very miffed. Cassel is a maggot, the DL is soooo bad that it doesn't matter how good your secondary is, and Michael Johnson is a one dimensional putz who is an lazier, less athletic, and less talented version of simeon rice.

Tell me what you really think, Cheb!

What do you mean by "maggot?" That seems a little harsh.

[Q-man]

I like #2....trading back and getting a 2nd and future #1.
That sounds like a value move.
And I am not totally against #1.

[maryjanewatson]

Given the new schemes our staff has brought in, I think #2 would be the priority, and the first course of action. If that's not possible, go with the best players available.

Yes, we have our needs to take into consideration, but we'd be far better off loading up depth in a down draft year and plugging needs next year.

I get that, and would be THRILLED to do this.

That said, I think Boldin is exactly the kind of player we need here. People say Ocho Stinko "just wants to win." Boldin is what a player who "just wants to win" looks like. THAT'S a guy who's passionate. A guy who plays through injuries. A guy who blocks like an animal, goes over the middle, and inspires others with his play.

Boldin could do for our offense what someone like Ray Lewis could do for a defense in terms of how he changes the culture.

[Clayton80future]

I am ready to see Luke McCown get the knod and start, so trading for Matt Cassel wouldn't be ideal for me. Also, I don't think it's possible, because that would automatically name Cassel the starter, and the McCown signing would be a total waste. Not to mention McCown would call for a trade and we already have promised him a $7.5 million bonus we'd have to pay up in full at once.

[maryjanewatson]

I am ready to see Luke McCown get the knod and start, so trading for Matt Cassel wouldn't be ideal for me. Also, I don't think it's possible, because that would automatically name Cassel the starter, and the McCown signing would be a total waste. Not to mention McCown would call for a trade and we already have promised him a $7.5 million bonus we'd have to pay up in full at once.

We haven't promised McCown anything, have we? Nor are we paying him too much that he couldn't be a backup (especially with our cap bulge). I don't consider a few million here or there - or some hurt feelings - grounds to not do everything we can to improve.

[DeadEagle]

I get that, and would be THRILLED to do this.

That said, I think Boldin is exactly the kind of player we need here. People say Ocho Stinko "just wants to win." Boldin is what a player who "just wants to win" looks like. THAT'S a guy who's passionate. A guy who plays through injuries. A guy who blocks like an animal, goes over the middle, and inspires others with his play.

Boldin could do for our offense what someone like Ray Lewis could do for a defense in terms of how he changes the culture.

I like Boldin and what he brings to a team. You are pretty accurate in that analysis.

But... Boldin is going to cost a team alot, and I think you might be low-balling it. Rosenhaus called the Roy Williams trade, also his client, a barometer for any trade involving Anquan Boldin. That was 4 draft picks. If it was one pick for the player, I'd consider it. I only brought up Chad Johnson because it looks like he'd be available for much, much less. A third or fourth round pick at this point, and that... while it carries risk.... could be a bargain.

[Clayton80future]

We haven't promised McCown anything, have we? Nor are we paying him too much that he couldn't be a backup (especially with our cap bulge). I don't consider a few million here or there - or some hurt feelings - grounds to not do everything we can to improve.

We have promised McCown a chance to start at QB for us, and trading a first round pick for Cassel would in essence make it not only a lie, but McCown would probably demand a trade or release or not show up for camp. All of this because we would have to promise Cassel be the starting QB, which in all likelihood he would demand.

If McCown were to win the starting QB battle if he showed up for TC, then we'd be left with an unhappy Matt Cassel and a backup that cost a first and third round selection, based on the franchise tag he got.

Cassel wants to start too, and I doubt he'd go for it anyway if he even has to even challenge for the starting job.

I am all for setting us up in the best opportunity as well, but just by the way the Bucs have signed McCown to a significantly lucrative deal with new blood in the business means the Cassel move likely has no chance of happening.


If we made that move, one way or another, we'd lose big time. Either $7.5 million or early round draft picks, and one QB would become a distraction. I'd rather thrive or suffer with Luke on board than have Cassel come in and mess it up.

[Apollo]

The stockpiling of draft picks is something that I always like. New England had become the masters of that and it helped them every year until they lost the Spygate pick last year. Rich McKay used to do the same thing and it went well in some instances (Getting that 1st rounder out of the Chargers was brilliant for a 2nd round pick, but using it on Reidel Anthony was a not so hot idea).

Like I've said before, Cassel is the flavor of the month in the NFL. He is going to end up being a clone of Scott Mitchell. No way I trade a high end draft pick for him after one year in that very QB friendly environment.

I think the D-Line needs more help then the secondary. Free Agency will have a big impact on this draft for us. If we land Haynesworth (which I'm not hoping for, but it can still happen with the cap space), then DT is much less a concern. The secondary can use some love in the draft, but I don't think they will use another 1st round pick on a corner this year (Even though Talib is a stud and will carry on the Abraham-Barber tradition).

[maryjanewatson]

We have promised McCown a chance to start at QB for us, and trading a first round pick for Cassel would in essence make it not only a lie, but McCown would probably demand a trade or release or not show up for camp. All of this because we would have to promise Cassel be the starting QB, which in all likelihood he would demand.

If McCown were to win the starting QB battle if he showed up for TC, then we'd be left with an unhappy Matt Cassel and a backup that cost a first and third round selection, based on the franchise tag he got.

Cassel wants to start too, and I doubt he'd go for it anyway if he even has to even challenge for the starting job.

I am all for setting us up in the best opportunity as well, but just by the way the Bucs have signed McCown to a significantly lucrative deal with new blood in the business means the Cassel move likely has no chance of happening.


If we made that move, one way or another, we'd lose big time. Either $7.5 million or early round draft picks, and one QB would become a distraction. I'd rather thrive or suffer with Luke on board than have Cassel come in and mess it up.

Here's where am at on this point -

There is no chance in my mind Luke McCown beats out Matt Cassel for the starting job. None. Obviously, you're free to disagree, but this is the premise I'm moving forward with.

As for your other point - fudge Luke McCown and his feelings. We're paying a guy who hasn't DONE ANYTHING in five years a $7.5 million dollar bonus. If he doesn't like it, he can sit out and forfeit his bonus, or he can show up and continue to do what he's been doing - getting paid to get beaten out by better quarterbacks.

[Q-man]

Tell me what you really think, Cheb!

What do you mean by "maggot?" That seems a little harsh.

Maggot is the common name of the soft-bodied, legless, worm-like larva of insects.

Wow! Cheb....that is harsh.

[TornadoRex]

We have promised McCown a chance to start at QB for us, and trading a first round pick for Cassel would in essence make it not only a lie, but McCown would probably demand a trade or release or not show up for camp. All of this because we would have to promise Cassel be the starting QB, which in all likelihood he would demand.

If McCown were to win the starting QB battle if he showed up for TC, then we'd be left with an unhappy Matt Cassel and a backup that cost a first and third round selection, based on the franchise tag he got.

Cassel wants to start too, and I doubt he'd go for it anyway if he even has to even challenge for the starting job.

I am all for setting us up in the best opportunity as well, but just by the way the Bucs have signed McCown to a significantly lucrative deal with new blood in the business means the Cassel move likely has no chance of happening.


If we made that move, one way or another, we'd lose big time. Either $7.5 million or early round draft picks, and one QB would become a distraction. I'd rather thrive or suffer with Luke on board than have Cassel come in and mess it up.

We can trade for Cassel by offering them Brian Griese and Chris Hovan if they accept. The franchise tag doesn't matter anymore.

[cadillac willy]

I'm only down for trading down out of all of those scenarios.

No good QBs in the 1st, 2 great WRs will both be off the board.

Not a fan of any of the DTs.

Best player available or trade down.

[nmw0917]

I'm only down for trading down out of all of those scenarios.

No good QBs in the 1st, 2 great WRs will both be off the board.

Not a fan of any of the DTs.

Best player available or trade down.

^^^^^^^

[jbucs13]

MJW so pretty much your plan is get rid of our first round pick as soon as possible

[maryjanewatson]

MJW so pretty much your plan is get rid of our first round pick as soon as possible

In the case of Boldin or Cassel, I'm not the least bit confident we can use the pick and get nearly the same value as either of those two would offer.

In the case of trading back, I still don't like the value (for us) at #19, and very much like what we might get with a slightly later pick. And I love the notion of having an extra first rounder next year, in what should be an excellent class.

[real bucs fan]

Boldin would be a great fit...

However that seems a little unlikely...

Ideal scenario for me would be trading back and and ending up Alphonso Smith, Hakeem Nicks, and Ron Brace in the first two rounds...

[Agent Orange]

Options 1, 2 and 5 sound great. Options 3 and 4 I don't like at all. Unless we were picking up New England's #1 or #2 pick I don't think Cassel is worth a straight up #1 pick at all. I like Elbert Mack a lot and think he's going to be a stud for us. I don't think we need to draft another corner #1.

[Pantera Canes]

Could get Derek Anderson for less, and he is a year younger.

[ArmchairBuc]

I have to agree with 1, 2, and 4. Boldin would be a franchise changing addition at Wr and well worth a first round pick. Trading back is ideal if you can pull that off. The middle of this round really lacks value at the positions we need. Not counting players falling the quality at QB, WR, and DLine is lacking. Which is another reason DB is a good last resort. We need to pair Talib up with someone in the future and I wouldnt mind it as our "best availible" pick this year.

I don't like the cost of Cassell this year when he really is a true unkown. I know high school players who have played more in the last 7 years than him. I agree there is potential but Id need to see more before I gave up a first. And Im not sold on Johnson when we have no push from the midde of our line. Two speed rushers doesnt work when the QB can just step forward in the pocket.

[Jack Sparrow]

1- Draft Mark Sanchez
2- Draft Knowshon Moreno
3- Draft Josh Freeman
4-Trade for Tyler Thigpen, and recieve also a 3rd rounder
5- Draft BJ Raji

[Clayton80future]

Here's where am at on this point -

There is no chance in my mind Luke McCown beats out Matt Cassel for the starting job. None. Obviously, you're free to disagree, but this is the premise I'm moving forward with.

As for your other point - fudge Luke McCown and his feelings. We're paying a guy who hasn't DONE ANYTHING in five years a $7.5 million dollar bonus. If he doesn't like it, he can sit out and forfeit his bonus, or he can show up and continue to do what he's been doing - getting paid to get beaten out by better quarterbacks.

I see what you're saying. I still think we'd get screwed at have to pay him all that's guaranteed, which would've come in handy for something other than a backup QB.

I believe McCown would have a chance at beating out Cassel, and I have seen and read things of him that makes me believe we will be happy with him at quarterback for the next few seasons. Like you said, everyone is entitled to their opinion.

My opinion is just stay put at 19, draft defensive line, or maybe trade down and target the same defensive lineman we'd like to draft. I don't care much for the idea of trading for veterans, more "home-grown" players is a nice thing to have.

If we're looking at WRs, Hakeem Nicks is starting to sound more intriguing the more I think about it. He could be an Anquan Boldin-type player in the NFL, except eight years younger.

[VeeJay]

The only scenario I like is trade down.

Matt Cassel will get a GM fired. I said it in your Cassel thread on the Team Discussion board MJW and I'll say it again. He is Scott Mitchell. This team does not need to be trading 1st rd. picks for guys who hadn't started since HS.

If Raji isn't there, I can see them trading back and if they do I would get Kenny Britt. He's a little bigger and a little faster than Nicks.

The ideal situation would be on the clock with Raji and Heyward-Bey still on the board.

[cadillac willy]

SANCHEZ IS OVERRATED.

Leinart looked way better than Sanchez at USC.

By a mile and a half.

And he doesn't even play.

BUST.

[GotQB?]

I'm only down for trading down out of all of those scenarios.

No good QBs in the 1st, 2 great WRs will both be off the board.

Not a fan of any of the DTs.

Best player available or trade down.


The more and more I've read and heard etc and just think I am thinking this same exact thing. Let JJ and McCown battle it out (I'd like to see JJ win) and who ever wins wins and if they/we fail then hey atleast we will have a very high draft spot next year lol. As far as this years draft goes again have to agree here, take best available no matter the position cause we could honestly improve on any position. So either that or trade down with another team and essentially get more picks in this draft and an extra in next years.

[Nina27Bucs]

I would be all for trading down. Unless if one of the top guys were to fall to our pick (i.e Raji, Jenkins, Nicks, etc...)

[NoAlibi]

SANCHEZ IS OVERRATED.

Leinart looked way better than Sanchez at USC.

By a mile and a half.

And he doesn't even play.

BUST.

That's the dumbest **** posted in this forum...

a.) Matt Leinart in college looked better than ALL 32 starting QB's did in college..

b.) Sanchez as a first year starter did better than Leinart as a first year starter...

[Mrwigglez]

Pretty self-explanatory.

1) Trade it for Anquan Boldin (throwing in later picks if needed).
Boldin is one of the top 5 receivers in the league. People forget this in all the Fitzgerald-love, but HE was getting some talk as a league MVP candidate early in the season. He's the toughest receiver in the NFL, he runs excellent routes, he can block, he can catch everything thrown near him, and he has sneaky speed.

2) Trade Back.
Philly got a 2nd and a future 1st (and change) from the Panthers for dealing out of the first round last year. Sign me up.

3) Trade it for Matt Cassel.
Is he Tom Brady? No. Is he a "B/B+" quarterback entering his prime who could win games for us for the next decade? I absolutely think so. I also don't think you're going to do better than that in this class.

4) Draft DJ Moore or Al Smith.
I do want a defensive tackle, but I can't talk myself into any of the (likely) available options in this class. Moore and Smith are both going to be good corners in this league, and either one (opposite Talib, with T-Jax and Sabby) would give us the best young secondary in football.

5) Draft Michael Johnson.
Opposite Adams? I'd like to see that.

1) Love it
2) Fine with me
3) :(
4) Like it
5) Like it

I just really don't think Matt Cassell would be worth the cost in terms of picks and money..

[Bucko40]

Maybe #2 MJ but i don't like the other options. Boldin is really good and we have the cap space but I think that AZ is going to demand several top picks for him IF they decide to unload him.

As you know, who we draft is going to be determined who we sign/re-sign in FA. The Bucs must re-sign Antonio Bryant. Then if the Bucs can get Galloway back 100% and sign T.J. Houshmandzadeh or Bryant Johnson, Devery Henderson or Nate Washington the Bucs WR corp will be ok.

[caddy&clayton]

1) Draft Sanchez if available
2) Draft Brown, Mauluga, or Orakpo if available
3) Draft Peria Jerry
4) Draft Hakeem Nicks
5) Draft Knowshon Moreno
6) Trade back to a team that will give us two more second rounders

Sanchez, Brown, Mauluga and Orakpo are at the top of my semi-realistic wish list (players that probably will be gone, but could be there, as opposed to players that absolutley will not be there that I would LOVE, such as Crabtree, Raji, and Stafford).

As for Michael Johnson, that could be interesting. We could move Adams over to LE full time, where he is clearly much more productive (even though he would have to build up his strength a bit more). Johnson would be a terror with Adams in the pass rush, but the problem is, he is more or less totally pigeon holed into RE in our system. Minus obvious passing downs, there is no way Johnson should ever be matched up with an RT. He would be absolutley manhandeled in the running game.

So I'm not totally sure if Johnson would be worth a 1st rounder. I think he will get 10 sacks a year, but he will likely get pushed around in the running game too much to be on the field for every down.

However, if he lasts until our 2nd rounder, we should gobble him up.

[CaliBucFan408]

1) Trade it for Anquan Boldin

2) Trade Back.


i am high on us trading back because i don't believe are needs are that bad. we are building for the future anyway so i hope none of you are expecting to go to the super bowl this year. but i hope JJ wins the starting job in camp so we can develop him as our QB. if we cannot get trade for boldin. we need to draft a WR as our first selection. somebody like Percy Harvin ;)

[ImAWalkingCorps]

No thanks to Cassel or Sanchez. Trade back unless one of the 2 DT's are there.

[lilhef]

I'd be cool with door numbers 1 and 2.

[L.H.T]

1, 2, or 4 would be ok with me.

1) Having Boldin along with Bryant will make it easy for any QB we have.

2) I feel you should always go BPA when drafting in the later protion of the 1st round. So if there's nobody there who we feel is worthy of our pick, trade it back for a 2nd rounder and a 1st next year.

4) The more I think about it, the more I want Alphonso Smith. I just remember watching him play this year, and being totally impressed. Having him and Talib gives us a young CB duo for years.

[GotQB?]

No thanks to Cassel or Sanchez. Trade back unless one of the 2 DT's are there.

Unless Raji is there we don't take Jerry, he doesn't fill the DT slot that our new D coordinator wants/looks for. He's also over rated and we could fill that void in FA...

[uscbucsfan]

Unless Raji is there we don't take Jerry, he doesn't fill the DT slot that our new D coordinator wants/looks for. He's also over rated and we could fill that void in FA...

Why is he overrated in your opinion?

Also regardless if we take either of them...we need to draft a DT, DE even if we get one in FA....we have nothing outside of Gaines

[TornadoRex]

Unless Raji is there we don't take Jerry, he doesn't fill the DT slot that our new D coordinator wants/looks for. He's also over rated and we could fill that void in FA...

If anyone is overrated, it's Raji.

I don't think he should be considered as a top 10 talent.

[TerryTate]

Pretty self-explanatory.

1) Trade it for Anquan Boldin (throwing in later picks if needed).
Boldin is one of the top 5 receivers in the league. People forget this in all the Fitzgerald-love, but HE was getting some talk as a league MVP candidate early in the season. He's the toughest receiver in the NFL, he runs excellent routes, he can block, he can catch everything thrown near him, and he has sneaky speed.

2) Trade Back.
Philly got a 2nd and a future 1st (and change) from the Panthers for dealing out of the first round last year. Sign me up.

3) Trade it for Matt Cassel.
Is he Tom Brady? No. Is he a "B/B+" quarterback entering his prime who could win games for us for the next decade? I absolutely think so. I also don't think you're going to do better than that in this class.

4) Draft DJ Moore or Al Smith.
I do want a defensive tackle, but I can't talk myself into any of the (likely) available options in this class. Moore and Smith are both going to be good corners in this league, and either one (opposite Talib, with T-Jax and Sabby) would give us the best young secondary in football.

5) Draft Michael Johnson.
Opposite Adams? I'd like to see that.

1. like most, I think getting Boldin is gonna cost us a piece of our soul, not just a #1. I'd love to have the guy, but I think the price is going to be outragous.

2. I don't have a bg problem with this, but I'd rather have picks now than later. We need to get guys on the team and start coaching them up, immediately.

3. I second the Scott Mitchell comparison. Most QB's would have a very good year with that group of offensive personnel, and with that coaching staff. I would much prefer to draft a franchise QB, but since Stafford and Sanchez will likely be gone I think the best bet is to hold pat and build the rest of the team while seeing what McCown and JJ can do. Nate Davis in the second is not out of hand.

4. We don't need another 1st round CB. Our defensive problems are passrush. The only big name I'd like to see added to our secondary is Nnamdi. Yes Barber is old and getting slower, but he can still function as a nickle at the least. If we can get some passrush the secondary will be fine. I'd much rather see a passcatcher than a passdefender, assuming we resign Bryant (and we damn well better) Hayward-Bey would be a great pick. He has good size, blazing speed and toughness. The few things he lacks can be solved with good coaching. Him and Bryant would be terrifying for opposing corners.

5. I didn't see Micheal Johnson play. So as a result I am more inclined towards Everette Brown. DT of course is the bigger need, and I like Raji. In fact, I would not be against nabbing both BC DT's in the first and second if they were avaliable.

[pastorrandy1970]

Take Percy Harvin with the 19th pick. See if you can get Ron Brace or Kenny Britt at pick 50. James Casey at 81. Darry Beckwith at 117. Evander Hood at 148. Michael Johnson at 178. and D.J. Moore at 200. See if you can get Haynesworth and T.J. in free agency. Maybe sign to a veteran league minimum contract Michael Vick, he would make a good 3rd string qb behind McCown and Johnson. Then next year try to get Tebow who would be a great franchise qb both on talent and character.

[caddy&clayton]

Take Percy Harvin with the 19th pick. See if you can get Ron Brace or Kenny Britt at pick 50. James Casey at 81. Darry Beckwith at 117. Evander Hood at 148. Michael Johnson at 178. and D.J. Moore at 200. See if you can get Haynesworth and T.J. in free agency. Maybe sign to a veteran league minimum contract Michael Vick, he would make a good 3rd string qb behind McCown and Johnson. Then next year try to get Tebow who would be a great franchise qb both on talent and character.

You want Harvin AND Britt? And then a TE? AND THEN A MLB??????

Raheem/Dominik should be fired in the War Room if that happened.

EDIT: I read the rest of this....there is NO WAY you are serious. Vick and Tebow? Nice one. You almost got me.

[uscbucsfan]

You want Harvin AND Britt? And then a TE? AND THEN A MLB??????

Raheem/Dominik should be fired in the War Room if that happened.

EDIT: I read the rest of this....there is NO WAY you are serious. Vick and Tebow? Nice one. You almost got me.

the entire post is ridiculous...i think it's a joke

[TerryTate]

the entire post is ridiculous...i think it's a joke

I am forced to agree. On a serious note, I did consider Harvin but we already have draft pick with a similar size, speed and skill package in the form of Dexter Jackson. The kid was a failure at the return game, but we haven't seen him catching any passes. So, we may yet have the small squirrely WR spot covered. I like Heyward-Bey if we go WR in round 1 because he is big, tough AND fast. He would rock as a complement to Bryant.

[uscbucsfan]

I am forced to agree. On a serious note, I did consider Harvin but we already have draft pick with a similar size, speed and skill package in the form of Dexter Jackson. The kid was a failure at the return game, but we haven't seen him catching any passes. So, we may yet have the small squirrely WR spot covered. I like Heyward-Bey if we go WR in round 1 because he is big, tough AND fast. He would rock as a complement to Bryant.

I don't like Harvin, but it isn't outlandish to think we would take him...I was talking about some of his other guys, falling that late...getting Vick and Tebow....it turned into almost a mockery of others, I think that was the intention

[NoAlibi]

I am forced to agree. On a serious note, I did consider Harvin but we already have draft pick with a similar size, speed and skill package in the form of Dexter Jackson. The kid was a failure at the return game, but we haven't seen him catching any passes. So, we may yet have the small squirrely WR spot covered. I like Heyward-Bey if we go WR in round 1 because he is big, tough AND fast. He would rock as a complement to Bryant.

Dexter Jackson is similar size and skill to Percy Harvin?

Jackson: 5'9 180
Harvin: 5'11 200

Harvin will be the strongest WR in the draft...You can put money on that. Dexter Jackson is a woman afraid of contact.

Oh, and he has almost zero quickness coming in and out of cuts...Harvin accelerates through his cuts and has as much lateral quickness as anyone coming out of college in a long time.

[bucballer88]

We are not going to get Anquan with just the #19 pick, so.....

Take the best available player that meets one of our needs.

BUT..

If we feel like we are stretching for a player, then trade down.

[pastorrandy1970]

i will agree you probably couldn't get harvin and britt back to back. But i would take harvin over most of the wr ranked near him. Bey was a good player on a mediocre team. Then get our D Line its help. This is a fairly deep class this year so we can pick up a few quality people. As for Vick i think for a league veteran minimum contract he would be worth it. the bucs have helped resurrect careers of troubled and underachieving players. Yes he has been out of football for 23 months. Bryant is enjoying coming off a great comeback year. Vick is still fairly young and is a would run for positive yards instead of always being caught from behind like some of our other qb's when they've had to scramble. Besides i only mentioned him in a back up role not the face of the franchise. As for the drafting of a TE or MLB, we need to get another all around playmaker at TE that can challenge the group we have to step it up or get out of the way. We can always use another hard hitter at LB. As for trying to get Tebow next year, Think about a Mike Allstott who can throw. Teams facing the Bucs would face the Red Storm on defense and and ofeense that would leave cleat marks on someones forehead.

[caddy&clayton]

i will agree you probably couldn't get harvin and britt back to back. But i would take harvin over most of the wr ranked near him. Bey was a good player on a mediocre team. Then get our D Line its help. This is a fairly deep class this year so we can pick up a few quality people. As for Vick i think for a league veteran minimum contract he would be worth it. the bucs have helped resurrect careers of troubled and underachieving players. Yes he has been out of football for 23 months. Bryant is enjoying coming off a great comeback year. Vick is still fairly young and is a would run for positive yards instead of always being caught from behind like some of our other qb's when they've had to scramble. Besides i only mentioned him in a back up role not the face of the franchise. As for the drafting of a TE or MLB, we need to get another all around playmaker at TE that can challenge the group we have to step it up or get out of the way. We can always use another hard hitter at LB. As for trying to get Tebow next year, Think about a Mike Allstott who can throw. Teams facing the Bucs would face the Red Storm on defense and and ofeense that would leave cleat marks on someones forehead.

:lol:

[TornadoRex]

Teams facing the Bucs would face the Red Storm on defense and and ofeense that would leave cleat marks on someones forehead.

Bad analogy considering that someone has actually done that in the league.

[xxxbucfan88xxx]

Why is he overrated in your opinion?

Also regardless if we take either of them...we need to draft a DT, DE even if we get one in FA....we have nothing outside of Gaines

Its not that jerry is overrated, but bates our new d coordinator runs a different system now and it requires a big run stuffer like raji not a tweener dt/de like jerry who would have been perfect for kiffin's d.

[TornadoRex]

I think most people have the wrong idea about Jerry.

He's a stout guy with good upper body strength, he isn't Jovan Haye out there playing at 280 (at most). He's as strong as Raji is, and was destroying anyone that went 1-on-1 with him.

The system calls for guys who are runstoppers rather than guys who can push a pocket, but Jerry can do both.

[BuccaneerBonzai]

I like Boldin and what he brings to a team. You are pretty accurate in that analysis.

But... Boldin is going to cost a team alot, and I think you might be low-balling it. Rosenhaus called the Roy Williams trade, also his client, a barometer for any trade involving Anquan Boldin. That was 4 draft picks. If it was one pick for the player, I'd consider it. I only brought up Chad Johnson because it looks like he'd be available for much, much less. A third or fourth round pick at this point, and that... while it carries risk.... could be a bargain.

No way would I want to see Chad Johnson here though...especially with an unproven QB. He would cause division before hte season was halway done.

[GotQB?]

Why is he overrated in your opinion?

Also regardless if we take either of them...we need to draft a DT, DE even if we get one in FA....we have nothing outside of Gaines

Not very powerful at all and got pushed around alot in the run game which is what Bates doesn't want. He's 25 so he's not gonna get much more outta his frame and his leverage isn't real consistent which is weird seeing as he's not to strong. He apparently isn't too intelligent either and supposedly has major durability concerns.

And Raji's stock is rising because of what he had shown in the Senior Bowl. He's known to be very nasty and can easily fill up 2 gaps with his mass and bulk and makes plays in the back field. Not really known for a pass rusher but Bates uses his DT to stuff and stop the run. Just going off of what Bates does and how he uses his players and what he looks for in them.

I dunno its just my opinion of course if we do take Jerry I would be surprised based off what I see and know now but then again its only mid Feb. But if we do take him we do, lol I have no problem admitting when I am wrong.

[Gamecock32000]

Pretty self-explanatory.

1) Trade it for Anquan Boldin (throwing in later picks if needed).
Boldin is one of the top 5 receivers in the league. People forget this in all the Fitzgerald-love, but HE was getting some talk as a league MVP candidate early in the season. He's the toughest receiver in the NFL, he runs excellent routes, he can block, he can catch everything thrown near him, and he has sneaky speed.

2) Trade Back.
Philly got a 2nd and a future 1st (and change) from the Panthers for dealing out of the first round last year. Sign me up.

3) Trade it for Matt Cassel.
Is he Tom Brady? No. Is he a "B/B+" quarterback entering his prime who could win games for us for the next decade? I absolutely think so. I also don't think you're going to do better than that in this class.

4) Draft DJ Moore or Al Smith.
I do want a defensive tackle, but I can't talk myself into any of the (likely) available options in this class. Moore and Smith are both going to be good corners in this league, and either one (opposite Talib, with T-Jax and Sabby) would give us the best young secondary in football.

5) Draft Michael Johnson.
Opposite Adams? I'd like to see that.

I agree with all but one of your assessments in this post. I differ with you on acquiring QB Matt Cassel. This would be the dumbest thing we could do. Cassel is a 1 year wonder just like RB Timmy Smith of the Washington Redskins a few years back. Remember that even Drew Bledsoe looked good in NE. I agree that we need a QB, but panicking isn't the best way to get one. I'd rather wait until next year draft or persue McNabb or Matt Hasselback in a trade. Just my thoughts. I like your thinking on all of your other points. Go Bucs!!!