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maryjanewatson

02-23-2009, 05:26 PM

This kind of reminds me of 2005.

A month into the season, it was apparent the 49ers made the wrong choice, overdrafting the quarterback and ignoring the linebacker (not that many had Merriman as #1 overall, but he was one of the top 2-3 prospects regardless of position). But, conventional wisdom says you don't take a linebacker #1 overall. Heck, it's very rare to see one in the top 5. How many have been drafted that high in the last decade? I can only think of AJ Hawk. EDIT - Arrington too.

Anyway, if the Lions believe Curry is going to be a force in the mold of Seau or even Lawrence Taylor...do they have the guts to pull the trigger?

dawgland

02-23-2009, 05:31 PM

i believe the teams picking 1st through 4th shouldn't look at him

maryjanewatson

02-23-2009, 05:32 PM

i believe the teams picking 1st through 4th shouldn't look at him

Really? So, if you're the Seahawks, you're dead-set on overdrafting a tackle or landing the 6'1 receiver with 4.6 speed, eh?

dawgland

02-23-2009, 05:35 PM

Really? So, if you're the Seahawks, you're dead-set on overdrafting a tackle or landing the 6'1 receiver with 4.6 speed, eh?

sounds right

because aaron curry would look fantastic in brown

maryjanewatson

02-23-2009, 05:37 PM

sounds right

because aaron curry would look fantastic in brown

Ahhhhh....

Gotchya ;)

At the rate he's going...good luck.

How would you feel about Brian Orakpo off the edge?

bossFALCON

02-23-2009, 05:40 PM

sounds right

because aaron curry would look fantastic in brown

http://life.atlantafalcons.com/style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif

if i were the lions i'd consider him but i'd probably go OT. i think the lions will go qb.

if i were the rams....that'd be really tempting, especially with spags as the head coach. i might just take him and maybe trade back into the first for a tackle (not sure how well that would work out though since i'm not familiar with which picks STL has).

farland

02-23-2009, 05:53 PM

dawgland

02-23-2009, 05:54 PM

Ahhhhh....

Gotchya ;)

At the rate he's going...good luck.

How would you feel about Brian Orakpo off the edge?

at this point, i really wanna see what Jenkins runs

if he drops a fast time, i want him as a Brown. If not, he'll likely be like antrel rolle and end up a safety.

Bucko40

02-23-2009, 05:58 PM

Lions are in a tough, tough spot. If they take Stafford and he's a bust then it's going to set them back years. There best bet would be to take Aaron Curry or Jason Smith.

It's very likely the Lions will be in the top 10 picking next year. We all know that next year is going to be the year of the QB.

maryjanewatson

02-23-2009, 05:58 PM

I would take him if I was in charge of the Lions. Gives them a much improved defense, a strong LB corp and improves the odds some QB or OT falls to them at 20 by not taking one themselves. Might not get the ideal one but who is to say 1 of the supposed top 2 QBs doesn't fall to around 16-18 and give the Lions a fairly easy trade up to grab him or some other unexpected player falls because a team that didn't plan to take a OT does.

Here's where I'm at with them:

I do not like Stafford at #1 one bit. He's a project and they'd be putting him in a position to fail behind a bad line with a bad defense. It would be Joey Harrington II. Stafford would have to be otherworldly to succeed in those conditions.

Now that Andre Smith has fallen apart, I do not think there's a lineman worth the #1 overall pick this year.

As much as I like Brian Orakpo, and think he'll be a good pro, I'm not sure he's done enough to merit that pick.

So...barring a trade-down, what all is left? Aaron Curry. Safest pick in the draft. Similar build to Lawrence Taylor. Can play in any defense. Can rush, cover, or play sideline to sideline. By all accounts, solid character guy. Probably the best OLB prospect since Lavar Arrington. Heck, maybe better than him.

I'm beginning to think this would be a very good idea. With Curry, Sims, and Dizon, the Lions would have maybe the best young linebacking group in football. And at #20, they can take one of the tackles still.

maryjanewatson

02-23-2009, 05:59 PM

at this point, i really wanna see what Jenkins runs

if he drops a fast time, i want him as a Brown. If not, he'll likely be like antrel rolle and end up a safety.

Seems like the talking heads are concluding Jenkins is a FS in most defenses. Like you say, we'll see what he runs.

caddy&clayton

02-23-2009, 06:00 PM

If I was the Lions, I would take him in a heartbeat, and then get a DB and a DL at 20 and 33.

I have said many times before, that when you are rebuilding a team from scratch and have as many high picks as Detroit does, you should try to build up one unit early. Curry is far and away the safest bet in the draft, and Defense wins championships.

That said, I'm NOT the Lions. They have a new FO, so we don't know whqat kind of team they wanna build. You can't really know what will happen in that war room until Draft Day.

BucFan9720

02-23-2009, 06:09 PM

Really? So, if you're the Seahawks, you're dead-set on overdrafting a tackle or landing the 6'1 receiver with 4.6 speed, eh?

Seahawks wont even consider Curry. They have Julian Peterson and Lofa Tatupu, and just slapped the franchise tag on LeRoy Hill.

maryjanewatson

02-23-2009, 06:17 PM

Seahawks wont even consider Curry. They have Julian Peterson and Lofa Tatupu, and just slapped the franchise tag on LeRoy Hill.

You're probably right...but the notion he shouldn't be considered? Peterson will be 31 when the season starts and his productivity has declined.

Besides, all tagging Hill accomplishes is making him an unwilling hostage next year or trade bait. We'll see if he re-ups there.

GotQB?

02-23-2009, 08:25 PM

Should they draft Curry? **** yea they should they're defense is total C-R-A-P, but they won't. They are gonna take Stafford, not doubt in my mind.

warrensappisgod

02-24-2009, 03:28 PM

No for the Lions. Definitely no for the Rams. Probably for the Chiefs. No brainer for the Browns.

And please refrain from comparing him to Lawrence Taylor. Thank you.

DeadEagle

02-24-2009, 03:40 PM

I'd be pulling my hair out right now if I were the Lions.

They still SHOULD go with a LT.... probably Eugene Monroe... at #1.... and RT .... probably William Beatty or Eben Britton.... at #20..... move Gosder Cherilus to RG..... and take a defender at #33. Maybe Brian Cushing.... William Moore.... Sean Smith...

TomatoVSC

02-24-2009, 03:45 PM

The Rams 100% should take him. Detroit..should not. The Rams desperately need defense. They have an okay OL, decent QB, good WRs, and a great RB. What do they have on defense? NOTHING.

PoppaPewter

02-24-2009, 04:04 PM

.....I'm the worst team in football, and I kill myself.

Oh sorry I only read the title.

maryjanewatson

02-24-2009, 04:07 PM

No for the Lions. Definitely no for the Rams. Probably for the Chiefs. No brainer for the Browns.

And please refrain from comparing him to Lawrence Taylor. Thank you.

Please note use of word "if" to imply hypothetical situation, with the intention of encouraging discussion. Thank you.

PoppaPewter

02-24-2009, 04:12 PM

The best bet if you are the Lions is build Defense in round 1 (yes Curry #1, then BPA at #20). This is a deep draft at tackle/Oline, address that in round 2. They will likley have a top 10 pick next year, which means a shot at a much better QB, and they have a solid running back, a Pro Bowl caliber Wide out, and Dante isn't what he used to be, but if you play to his strengths you can squeez a year out of him. Offense isn't their problem, Defense is, remember Tenn. dropping bombs on them on Thanksgiving, they need D.

Agent Orange

02-24-2009, 04:14 PM

MJW, what are you doing here? Didn't use the search feature. I'm very shocked but I'll let you slide on this one...

http://bbs.buccaneers.com/showthread.php?t=171750

warrensappisgod

02-24-2009, 06:04 PM

Please note use of word "if" to imply hypothetical situation, with the intention of encouraging discussion. Thank you.

Aren't most comparisons hypothetical? And what stood out to me was more of the build comparison, when LT played in a different era of 220 lb Mikes and 275 lb tackles.

The Rams 100% should take him. Detroit..should not. The Rams desperately need defense. They have an okay OL, decent QB, good WRs, and a great RB. What do they have on defense? NOTHING.

Their offensive line stinks. Especially when Pace leaves because Barron is a terrible LT.

The Rams are much better off at LB, and on the defensive line, than the Lions are. Will Witherspoon is good, but the coaching has made him worse. Tinoisamoa is also serviceable. The Lions have a much bigger hole at Mike which Curry would likely be playing. Paris Lenon is terrible and Jordan Dizon looks like another draft day mistake by Millen and company.

DE, I completely agree about Monroe at #1, but Beatty doesn't strike me much as a RT prospect. As I've said, if they're going to bulk up the line, I think they should take a long look at Loadholt to start the 2nd. He's not as bad as he's made out to be in pass protection and could use a little coaching on technique being a JUCO guy. But his power in the run game is second to very few. The Lions need something reliable on offense they can hang their hat on (besides CJ). He could be like Davin is for us.

warrensappisgod

02-24-2009, 06:28 PM

MJW, what are you doing here? Didn't use the search feature. I'm very shocked but I'll let you slide on this one...

http://bbs.buccaneers.com/showthread.php?t=171750

Neither did you:

http://bbs.buccaneers.com/showthread.php?t=170000&highlight=Detroit

And I think this was more asking about the possibility of Curry going 1 or 2 overall than asking what the Lions draft plans would be.....

Jack Sparrow

02-24-2009, 06:58 PM

Aaron Curry is the best LB prospect since AJ Hawk....i like Curry a bit more....i believe that Curry would be the best choice for detriot.

DreadNaught79

02-24-2009, 08:03 PM

The Lions need talent more than any other team. I think ALL the QB's in this draft are overrated and would stay away from ALL of them in the first 3 rounds (unless one slips ala Aaron Rodgers) and the value is too good to pass up.

1st overall - Aaron Curry - OLB (Most talented player in this draft class and will make immediate impact the Lions desperately need.)
20th overall - Michael Oher - OT (Would be a top 10 pick most other years so the Lions can cash in on a deep OT draft class)

33rd overall - Michael Johnson - DE (Might not fall here but his draft status is more in flux than any other player, too much value not to take Johnson's talent here)

65th overall - Antoine Caldwell - C (A deep center draft allows Caldwell to slip here and the Lions have a starting center for the next 10 years)
82nd overall - Terrance Taylor - DT (Local product that will help stuff up the middle of that D-line)

And if all these guys stink, theres always the 2010 draft where they can get Bradford... lol...

Chebington

02-24-2009, 08:19 PM

Were I the Lions, I agree with many here and would draft Curry. A defender that productive, big and fast, solid football IQ, great hitter, solid fundamentals, and a three down linebacker is rare.

Second pick in the first, I would take the best OT that fell far enough. Monroe, either Smith, Oher, or Loadholt would all be good starters.

Second round, I would draft an outlet for Stanton, who would be my QB. Preferably Pettigrew at TE since his combine sucked and people take that mess seriously. If he were unavailable, try to trade back to pick up two second round picks. If that doesn't fly, there are a dozen defensive prospects that could have slipped. Take my staff's favorite.

ArmchairBuc

02-24-2009, 10:14 PM

If the good offensive tackles in this draft weren't so plentiful I would normally say take one first but you cannot pass up a player like Curry. Draft whichever tackle is best at 20 and take the best defensive player available as your 2nd round pick. If someone like Pettigrew fell then by all means but they need help all over the d-line and in the secondary. None of these QBs warrant a 1st and this team needs too much help to just put another QB in a situation where he is guaranteed to fail

ArmchairBuc

02-24-2009, 10:27 PM

What kills me about all these mock drafts taking Stafford number 1 is that he wouldn't even be in the conversation if Bradford, McCoy, and Tebow had come out. If you draft intelligently and avoid Sanchez and Stafford then the worst that can happen is you have the choice of the above mentioned quarterbacks next year. Make the mistake of taking him first and you could end up with Joey Harrington 2.0 and be tied up financially for years. It really shows how bad these experts memories are; it's almost as if they ignore the way these players played in college and just go with the flashy choice.

GotQB?

02-24-2009, 10:53 PM

But they aren't gonna tank the season just to get a QB next year. I mean what happens if Culpepper does just enough and the defense does just enough an they are 8-8? I mean unlikely but you all know there are no guarantees with how things work out or happen it just happens. Stafford is the closest thing to getting a franchise guy for them in draft or FA I just cannot see them not drafting Stafford. I've said the best thing they can do is grab Curry but thinking more about it than I prolly should, they could get Matthews jr. or Cushing with they're second 1st rounder while still grabbing Stafford with the number 1 over all. Then the OL is pretty deep this year and they could grab one with the second rounder. This to me makes more sense and looks to me what might actually happen.

DeadEagle

02-24-2009, 11:40 PM

DE, I completely agree about Monroe at #1, but Beatty doesn't strike me much as a RT prospect. As I've said, if they're going to bulk up the line, I think they should take a long look at Loadholt to start the 2nd. He's not as bad as he's made out to be in pass protection and could use a little coaching on technique being a JUCO guy. But his power in the run game is second to very few. The Lions need something reliable on offense they can hang their hat on (besides CJ). He could be like Davin is for us.

Depends on what kind of offense they want to build. I just liked what I saw out of Beatty as a pass protector, as his footwork is superb. Won't ever get mistaken for a power run blocker, but considering the pass rushers in the NFC North....

If it's a power running game, then Loadholt at #33 and Duke Robinson at #20 might be the ticket.

If it's a passing protection they are shooting for, then Monroe has to be the #1 pick, and Beatty or Britton later.

It's all moot. Doubt they invest in the lines like they should. I'd start my rebuild on the offensive line, make it as good as it can possibly get and let everything else fall into place. Same with the defense. Start with the line.

noles1724

02-25-2009, 12:02 AM

If I was the Lions.... I would sale the team to whoever was willing to actually willing to give me a red cent. I really feel bad for teams picking 1-5. This draft is so dull and alot of the players I think are over rated.

#1Pewter_Pirate

02-25-2009, 12:16 AM

Do you consider Aaron Curry #1 overall?

What about the Rams at #2?

(I think we'd all agree he should be in the mix for the Chiefs)

Thoughts?

He is a guaranteed top 3 pick in my book, with each of the top 3 teams having a legitimate reason to pick him.

Agent Orange

02-25-2009, 01:01 AM

Nothing against Curry at all because he looks to be an outstanding athlete. He put on a show at the combine but if I'm the lions I know I have a lot of needs so I try and trade back for as many picks as possible. I might also prefer Everette Brown because he fits my new defensive philosophy and can play in both a 3-4 and 4-3 and they are looking to run a hybrid using both according to sources. He will probably be available when I trade back. If they can't trade back I would pick the best OT on my board and then at 20 pick up the best defensive player on my board unless someone absolutely falls to me. You never know but Stafford may fall to 20. If I were their fans though I definitely would be happy if they picked Curry because he is an outstanding athlete and I'd be excited that they might have the base for a solid defense.

warrensappisgod

02-25-2009, 01:31 AM

Depends on what kind of offense they want to build. I just liked what I saw out of Beatty as a pass protector, as his footwork is superb. Won't ever get mistaken for a power run blocker, but considering the pass rushers in the NFC North....

The only real DE of much consequence to me in the North is Jared Allen, and he's on the left side though I believes he moves around a lot. The rest are average at best. Kampman's play fell off a bit this past year, and there's a lot of talk about him not fitting the 3-4 as well as he did at end.

If it's a power running game, then Loadholt at #33 and Duke Robinson at #20 might be the ticket.

Even teams that aren't like the Ravens, Eagles, or Panthers usually go for more power at RT. Most of the times when I see finesse RTs, it's in a ZBS where the smaller guys are more mobile. Even then, teams like NE still value size and strength at RT and Houston has Eric Winston who is no slouch in the run game. The non-ZBS tackles that I can think of right now are dying to be replaced. Weiner in Atlanta and Shaffer in Cleveland.

If it's a passing protection they are shooting for, then Monroe has to be the #1 pick, and Beatty or Britton later.

It's all moot. Doubt they invest in the lines like they should. I'd start my rebuild on the offensive line, make it as good as it can possibly get and let everything else fall into place. Same with the defense. Start with the line.

I'd have to agree. It takes longest for the QB to develop and the offensive line to gel. You can find edge rushers, LBs, etc that can come in and make an immediate impact. If you're re-buiding, it's very smart to make a strong OL one of the first priorities. Keep your QB upright and can make productive backs out of mid-round picks. But it is the Lions.