Eric Mangini Choose Quantity Over Quality

[maryjanewatson]

The Jets and Browns have made two trades - the draft day deal and the Edwards trade. Here has what each team has received in total

The JETS have gotten:
QB Mark Sanchez (Rookie of the Year Favorite)
WR Braylon Edwards (A mixed bag, but a huge upgrade for the Jets even at his worst)

The BROWNS have gotten:
C Alex Mack (Browns Starting Center)
DE Kenyon Coleman (15 tackles)
QB Brett Ratliff (3rd String QB)
S Abram Elam (31 Tackles and a Sack as a Browns starting safety)
DE David Veikune (Has not played - is he on IR?)
WR Chansi Stuckey (11 Catches, 120 yards, 1 TD This Year)
LB Jason Trusnik (6 Special Teams Tackles This Year)
3rd Round Pick
5th Round Pick


Now, I was ready to kill Mangini in this thread - he's basically added a starting center and a bunch of spare parts (plus a couple mid-round draft picks) for the chance to draft a franchise QB and one of the most talented - and enigmatic - players in the NFL. But he's basically shaped his roster from these trades. Unfortunately, it's the roster of the worst team in the AFC.

Thoughts?

[Chebington]

Normally I would be with you on this one, mjw. But Mangini was with the Jets last season and presumably knew their roster inside and out. I give him the benefit of a doubt if he adds a bunch of players who most have written off as spare parts.

[Jakopo]

I think the Jets have done much better...particularly if this is the spark that Edwards need to refocus.

All those spare parts on the Browns rosters are just that spare -- they might make contributions now, but they do nothing in order to improve the team down the road...they could have gotten nearly the same contribution from F/A's. Guys like Abraham and Elam might play now, but they aren't part of the future. I think Mack will be a good center but certainly not worth trading the 5th pick for.

Even if the Browns kept the 5th pick they wouldn't have used it on Sanchez given how much $ they have tied up now in QB's. They could have tried selecting one of the other two tackles.

[#1BucsDefense]

Edwards was going to be a FA after this year and was unlikely to re-sign with the Browns, so that one was just trying to get something for him now instead of nothing later.

The draft day trade is what gets me. I understand that the Browns wanted to trade down, they had a lot of needs to fill. But they just didn't get good value on the trade. They dropped 12 spots and only picked up a late 2nd round pick and a few players that I admittedly don't know much about but from what I know aren't big pickups (if someone wants to correct me on that go ahead). If you're going to pass on the chance to pick up a top 5 player you should be getting a lot for it. And its not like there wasn't a lot of interest in Sanchez. At least the Redskins were interested as well, and we know they love to trade. I just didn't like that move for the Browns.

[NoAlibi]

Lebron James might have played a role in Edwards quick extradition..

[UMiamiBucFan]

Don't forget the Kellen Winslow trade with us. Mangini's first order of business is to get rid of any bigger names than him. He did the same thing in New York when he traded away Jonathan Vilma for a 3rd round pick.

He absolutely destroyed New York and I have no idea why the Browns were falling all over themselves to hire him right away. He's a franchise killer. He's not a winner and he'll trade all of your best players away.

[Jakopo]

Don't forget the Kellen Winslow trade with us. Mangini's first order of business is to get rid of any bigger names than him. He did the same thing in New York when he traded away Jonathan Vilma for a 3rd round pick.

He absolutely destroyed New York and I have no idea why the Browns were falling all over themselves to hire him right away. He's a franchise killer. He's not a winner and he'll trade all of your best players away.


CNNSI just did a story on the worst coaching hires of all time ... Browns hiring Mangini was #1.

[warrensappisgod]

Yeah, when you break it down like that, it looks pretty bad. Looking at it from the Browns point of view, they really didn't have a ton of choices at 5. They didn't really need Sanchez as they were still hoping Quinn would work out or Anderson would return to form. They obviously have the LT set, so it's not like they were going to go after an Andre Smith or Eugene Monroe. I think they made the right decision to trade down, but they didn't get enough to trade down as far as they did. I do like the Mack pick, I think he's going to be a stud. But the rest of that list looks like a bunch of literally dime a dozen players. Stuckey's ok, but the rest I wouldn't even expect many starts in their future. I guess they have more picks to add to their developing middle of the road talent.....

[Miller4Prez64]

A lot of people wonder why we traded up for Freeman, but I don't know why the Browns would really want to trade down a few spots in the first just for a 6th round pick. Only thing that makes sense would be if they just wanted to save a few bucks on the guy they were targeting.

[Fooball]

Lebron James might have played a role in Edwards quick extradition..

I'm thinking Edwards was just really ticked about having to pay for his water. How embarrassing. :o

edit: almost forgot.....good luck with your game tonight, MJW!

[bgator1985]

i think the draft day trade can't be judged just yet, but to me it lookes like they got edwards cheap. know he has problems, but if he can turn things around its a steal

[maryjanewatson]

i think the draft day trade can't be judged just yet, but to me it lookes like they got edwards cheap. know he has problems, but if he can turn things around its a steal

The way Sanchez is playing, Alex Mack needs to be Dermotti Dawson and the kid from Hawaii needs to be Shawne Merriman, or the Jets won the deal. They got a franchise quarterback.

[Miller4Prez64]

Don't forget the Kellen Winslow trade with us. Mangini's first order of business is to get rid of any bigger names than him. He did the same thing in New York when he traded away Jonathan Vilma for a 3rd round pick.

He absolutely destroyed New York and I have no idea why the Browns were falling all over themselves to hire him right away. He's a franchise killer. He's not a winner and he'll trade all of your best players away.

To be fair about the Vilma trade, it was made because of the rise of David Harris. He's really underrated for the Jets.

[maryjanewatson]

To be fair about the Vilma trade, it was made because of the rise of David Harris. He's really underrated for the Jets.

To be even more fair, Mangini traded Vilma for the same hypothetical reason I discussed trading Ruud - he wasn't a good fit for the defense, he could no longer play up to his potential in it, and he would have left as a free agent shortly thereafter anyway for exactly these reasons.