Kong. Suh.

[TheDude]

Just the name alone is worth a thread.

The only solace I can take from the bucs being so pathetic this season is a chance to draft him.

Absolute monster. The Mizzou game was the first entire game I got to watch with him, saw bits of the VT game. Un-blockable. Mizzou's o-line is nothing special but even when he was double teamed (which was alot) he still got pressure. Not to mention he's so damn athletic they drop him in coverage. Should have had 2 picks.

Most athletic big man I have seen in awhile.

[Tom570]

I've watched his highlights and he is just plain unstoppable.

He throws Guards, Tackles, and Centers away almost every play.

Don't forget the fact that he is very athletic.

[DeadEagle]

I bet he could pick up Alan Faneca, and throw him like a dart into Mark Sanchez for a sack.

[SanFranBucsfan]

I bet he eats small children.

[Chebington]

I bet he eats big children.

[Faithwarrior]

i remember a lot of these same comments being made about Glenn Dorsey a couple of years ago and he has done next to nothing as a pro... in fact a lot of people were screaming how stupid the Falcons were to pass him up for the "future bust" Matt Ryan.. Dorsey was going to be the most dominate DT in football lol. my point in this is that its next to impossible to gauge how effective these DTs are going to be at the next level. I feel like they are as much as a crap shoot as Qbs are in the first round. The other thing is how quickly every one here has jumped off the Gerald McCoy bandwagon of a year ago for Suh.. We are in desperate need of d-line help, that is for sure.. i'm just not completely sold on Suh

[TornadoRex]

i remember a lot of these same comments being made about Glenn Dorsey a couple of years ago and he has done next to nothing as a pro... in fact a lot of people were screaming how stupid the Falcons were to pass him up for the "future bust" Matt Ryan.. Dorsey was going to be the most dominate DT in football lol. my point in this is that its next to impossible to gauge how effective these DTs are going to be at the next level. I feel like they are as much as a crap shoot as Qbs are in the first round. The other thing is how quickly every one here has jumped off the Gerald McCoy bandwagon of a year ago for Suh.. We are in desperate need of d-line help, that is for sure.. i'm just not completely sold on Suh

You're apparently not watching much football, then....

Dorsey's playing as an end in a 3-4, and he's actually playing pretty well at that.

I can't help you if you're not sold on Suh, but I'll guess that you haven't watched very many Nebraska games.

[#1Pewter_Pirate]

For those of you that like this guy, is he really that good where we can't pass him up, or is this just a case of our current defensive tackles being so bad that when we see a young guy that has some upside we immediately want him on our team just because he is available?

[Y2A]

For those of you that like this guy, is he really that good where we can't pass him up, or is this just a case of our current defensive tackles being so bad that when we see a young guy that has some upside we immediately want him on our team just because he is available?

I've only seen a few games of his, but he does seem "that good." He stuffs the run, pressures the passer, knocks the ball down, and I've read on here that he's pulled down some interceptions as well. He is dominant.

[BucFanInKC]

For those of you that like this guy, is he really that good where we can't pass him up, or is this just a case of our current defensive tackles being so bad that when we see a young guy that has some upside we immediately want him on our team just because he is available?

Plays like Sapp did in college. Better to certain extent. More athletic than Sapp ever was.

That good.

[irishbucsfan40]

I've read he tosses O-linemen aside like dolls using mainly his upper body strength, and that his lower body isn't that great which won't fly in the NFL. Any truth to this?

[DeadEagle]

I've read he tosses O-linemen aside like dolls using mainly his upper body strength, and that his lower body isn't that great which won't fly in the NFL. Any truth to this?


I dunno where you read that, but I did see him beat a double team last week....... with a straight bull rush.

[el pedrino]

Suh is one of those dominate DTs. Dorsey was good in college and got alot of hype but do remember through his junior to senior year there were plenty first day draft picks on that defense with him. Now hes playing 3-4 end which i heard seems to be pretty good for him but he is a true 4-3 ut. Suh has minimal help on his defense compared to what dorsey had. This guy can play every spot on the line in any scheme and dominate. He will give us a pressence we havent had since sapp left. Dont get me wrong, i like eric berrry and i know he could he us but suh is the type of player you dont pass us especially when you dont have anyone on that spot on your team. I like mccoy too, but ive seen him get pushed around alot by interior o lineman in college. He is more of a speed guy with fineese. DRAFT N.Suh

[TheDude]

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2548/4009390636_c7cef4f943.jpg

[CodeRed]

Physically and athletically, he is beyond Sapp. The one thing Sapp had that Suh must develop is the attitude, a swagger. An attitude that he is the baddest guy on the field and the guy across from him knows it and he is going to have it handed to him on every play.

[DeadEagle]

Suh must develop is the attitude, a swagger.



You don't teach a guy to have the type of "swagger" that Sapp had. You either have it or you don't.


What Suh has, is an unrelenting motor and physical skills that make it impossible to keep in check for 30 minutes a game. You don't wear him down. He wears you down.

[Jmiller21]

i remember a lot of these same comments being made about Glenn Dorsey a couple of years ago and he has done next to nothing as a pro... in fact a lot of people were screaming how stupid the Falcons were to pass him up for the "future bust" Matt Ryan.. Dorsey was going to be the most dominate DT in football lol. my point in this is that its next to impossible to gauge how effective these DTs are going to be at the next level. I feel like they are as much as a crap shoot as Qbs are in the first round. The other thing is how quickly every one here has jumped off the Gerald McCoy bandwagon of a year ago for Suh.. We are in desperate need of d-line help, that is for sure.. i'm just not completely sold on Suh

A lot of people questioned Dorsey's work ethic, and weight issues. They all say Suh has a non-stop motor and gives 110% every play. Just watch him and you'll see.

[TomatoVSC]

Physically and athletically, he is beyond Sapp. The one thing Sapp had that Suh must develop is the attitude, a swagger. An attitude that he is the baddest guy on the field and the guy across from him knows it and he is going to have it handed to him on every play.

Suh will NEVER be that type of player. He doesn't play mean. But he does play darn good.

I'd be thrilled if we got him.

[jbucs13]

I bet he eats small children.

I saw this and I laughed pretty hard

I bet he eats big children.

Than I saw this and I peed:grinyes:

[maryjanewatson]

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2548/4009390636_c7cef4f943.jpg

That's not even the best TD he scored...with the game on the line last year, he picked off the Colorado quarterback, then ran him over and stepped on him on the way to the end zone...and the quarterback was the Colorado's coaches SON.

SUH IS THE TRUTH.

[jbucs13]

That's not even the best TD he scored...with the game on the line last year, he picked off the Colorado quarterback, then ran him over and stepped on him on the way to the end zone...and the quarterback was the Colorado's coaches SON.

SUH IS THE TRUTH.

http://cdn.bleacherreport.com/images_root/image_pictures/0238/6435/suh_feature.jpg


SuhPrise

[maryjanewatson]

http://cdn.bleacherreport.com/images_root/image_pictures/0238/6435/suh_feature.jpg


SuhPrise

That's the one...I've seen that picture/poster many times around town, and it never gets old.

[TerryTate]

That's not even the best TD he scored...with the game on the line last year, he picked off the Colorado quarterback, then ran him over and stepped on him on the way to the end zone...and the quarterback was the Colorado's coaches SON.

SUH IS THE TRUTH.

My god, that is hilarious. I might have to see if I can't watch a Huskers game this year now that Callahan is gone. That guy is one of the worst coaches I've ever seen get a HC job.

[PrimeMinister]

I have never seen this guy play, but the way some of you are talking about him makes him sound like Sapp's son...pretty impressive.

Is there anyone who is not impressed with Kong Suh??

[RondeToCanton]

Is there anyone who is not impressed with Kong Suh??

Not anyone that lived very long to tell about it

[Tom570]

I have never seen this guy play, but the way some of you are talking about him makes him sound like Sapp's son...pretty impressive.

Is there anyone who is not impressed with Kong Suh??

Here you go (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=413Gsstr6WE)

Also (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLUau5jlNNE&feature=related)

[Chebington]

I have never seen this guy play, but the way some of you are talking about him makes him sound like Sapp's son...pretty impressive.

Is there anyone who is not impressed with Kong Suh??

I haven't met a poster on this board that hasn't fallen in love with him as a prospect.

I do have a few minor critiques of his game, such as sometimes his hand placement gets too far outside, and he does not solidly connect with the ball carrier (lots of arm tackles). That said, he's pretty much unblockable 1v1 and is a handful even when double teamed.

Suh in the first, Selvie in the second would make me a happy camper.

[Tom570]

I haven't met a poster on this board that hasn't fallen in love with him as a prospect.

I do have a few minor critiques of his game, such as sometimes his hand placement gets too far outside, and he does not solidly connect with the ball carrier (lots of arm tackles). That said, he's pretty much unblockable 1v1 and is a handful even when double teamed.

Suh in the first, Selvie in the second would make me a happy camper.

With the 2 picks in the second round, I would love to have Selvie and Lindley.

Back to Suh now.

He is a dominating force in the middle no doubt about it. But, the one area he needs to improve on is his tackling like you said. He tries to throw the ball carriers down and sometimes they get away or they get tossed 5 yards to the ground.

[PrimeMinister]

As I stated earlier, I have little knowledge on Suh, but I recently watched what film/video I could find.

Things that I read here that are on point:
1.The guys has excellent hand movement/motion allowing for quick penetration

2. This is just an extension of point 1. He is very disruptive even when he is not "in on the play". He causes problem and helps other players make plays.

3. He appears to be VERY athletic for a DT.

The only downside (albeit a large one) I found:

1. Suh appears to have an issue at tackling. Several times I watched him fight through the line only to miss/poorly tackle a RB who didn't seem to be that great of a runner.

It seems he gives up on the tackle midway or maybe his form is poor. Either way I see him getting run over and pushed around by NFL caliber backs if that continues.

This brings his leg strength into question for me.

Does he have great leg strength and he just isn't tackling form perfect?

Again, this is after watching him for a day or 2 only.

What do you think?

[PrimeMinister]

With the 2 picks in the second round, I would love to have Selvie and Lindley.

Back to Suh now.

He is a dominating force in the middle no doubt about it. But, the one area he needs to improve on is his tackling like you said. He tries to throw the ball carriers down and sometimes they get away or they get tossed 5 yards to the ground.
Sorry, I posted before I read, lol.

Beat me to it.

[galloway123]

With the 2 picks in the second round, I would love to have Selvie and Lindley.

Back to Suh now.

He is a dominating force in the middle no doubt about it. But, the one area he needs to improve on is his tackling like you said. He tries to throw the ball carriers down and sometimes they get away or they get tossed 5 yards to the ground.

Selvie will be a steal for a 3-4 team. Bate's scheme not so much...

[Chebington]

Selvie will be a steal for a 3-4 team. Bate's scheme not so much...

Selvie is a 4-3 end who, despite getting double teamed about 80% of the time and triple teamed about 50% of the time, is still quite productive.

You think I'm pulling those numbers out of nowhere, but there's a very well researched article about Selvie's play that came out last season. Too tired to search for it.

[JudgeDredd]

The one problem that comes to mind right away with Suh is the same one we had with Sapp.... fatigue.

Playing in FL is quite different from playing up north. Sapp adjusted, and that was the most critical thing he did in his career.... Can Suh? If not, he'll be delt for a 2nd in 3 years....

[Bucs2theSB]

I am on the Suh bandwagon. I hope our FO picks up on this kid and snags him up.

[TheDude]

The one problem that comes to mind right away with Suh is the same one we had with Sapp.... fatigue.

Playing in FL is quite different from playing up north. Sapp adjusted, and that was the most critical thing he did in his career.... Can Suh? If not, he'll be delt for a 2nd in 3 years....

What did Sapp adust to weather wise, he grew up in florida and played at miami. :confused: There was nothing for him to adjust to.

And when we're even talking about weather affecting a player...we're really nit picking.

KONG is a beast and I would be ecstatic if we get him.

[galloway123]

Selvie is a 4-3 end who, despite getting double teamed about 80% of the time and triple teamed about 50% of the time, is still quite productive.

You think I'm pulling those numbers out of nowhere, but there's a very well researched article about Selvie's play that came out last season. Too tired to search for it.

My question though is can he hold up in the run game at 245 pounds.

[CaptainDave]

What did Sapp adust to weather wise, he grew up in florida and played at miami. :confused: There was nothing for him to adjust to.

And when we're even talking about weather affecting a player...we're really nit picking.

KONG is a beast and I would be ecstatic if we get him.

North Miami can get quite chilly inside the mall. :rolleyes:

[galloway123]

North Miami can get quite chilly inside the mall. :rolleyes:

I also hear the lows can dip down into the 60's..

[JJRedick7]

Imagine all the "Ruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuud!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and Suoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooh!" chants next year. The opponents are going to think we hate our team.

[maryjanewatson]

Imagine all the "Ruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuud!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and Suoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooh!" chants next year. The opponents are going to think we hate our team.


And LOVE Nebraska...which for some of us is 1000% true :)

[Miller4Prez64]

Imagine all the "Ruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuud!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and Suoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooh!" chants next year. The opponents are going to think we hate our team.

Most fans probably do.

[maryjanewatson]

Most fans probably do.

Boom goes the dynamite.

If you didn't know, and you checked out TD these days, you'd think these as a board for Buccaneer anti-fans.

[Chebington]

Boom goes the dynamite.

If you didn't know, and you checked out TD these days, you'd think these as a board for Buccaneer anti-fans.

Depends on your viewpoint, but that certainly has validity.

[gdawg4953]

Imagine all the "Ruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuud!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and Suoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooh!" chants next year. The opponents are going to think we hate our team.

san fran has a better cheer. craaaaaaaaaabbbbbbbssssssss and veeeeeeeedeeeeeeeeeeyyyyyyy. a std medical clinic should sign them up for sponsorship.

[PopularStranger]

Got this from another board...

This thread makes me angry.

Ndamukong Suh is overrated trash....complete hype.

Anyone who thinks otherwise hasn't seen him play....there's no other explanation. It's easy to jump to conclusions because of his size and statistics, but his play is completely unimpressive.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzjmC3sD6W8

Watch this 6 minute film against VT. He gets pushed back on EVERY SINGLE PLAY. Watch the 4 defensive linemen on Nebraska....he's always the furthest one back within a second of the play.

This guy has absolutely no lower body strength. He's top-heavy and plays way too high. His hips are tight and he can't stop and redirect fluidly. He has minimal explosiveness or burst at the snap.

The only reason he's productive is because he has long, strong arms to shed blocks and fall on people. He takes advantage of the fact that he's bigger and stronger that everyone and gets away with laziness, a lack of technique and poor lower-body strength. This will not happen at the next level. NFL offensive linemen will be able to lock onto him and keep him at bay, plus the added strength and power of NFL linemen means he's gonna get pushed back even farther, possibly onto the ground.

You guys all need to hop off the bandwagon real fast (and Carlos Dunlap while you're at it). Fili Moala is a PERFECT comparison for Suh. Tall, lanky, disproportionate body (like a rectangle) with a weak lower-half, stiff hips and unwarranted pre-season hype.

Gerald McCoy, on the other hand, is unreal. He has good size and elite athletic ability. He made a fool of Florida in the NC and almost single-handedly shut down their offense. He was in the backfield all day pressuring Tebow, running sideline to sideline to stop screens and outside runs, and he even got an INT and juked someone out on the return. McCoy is a freak with a great motor and stamina. No one even comes close....

not even...Sedrick Ellis, who Braveheart is completely correct about. Ellis had all the tools and technique to go along with elite quickness and explosiveness. He had a near-flawless performance at the Senior Bowl...he was on another level.

Dorsey was another product of media hype. Dorsey actually has some good tools (solid frame, good power, great effort and instincts in pursuit). Problem is that he never "dominated the SEC" like everyone assumes. He made most of his plays chasing down people in pursuit. He was never a great pass rusher and spent most of his time hand-checking guards. Compare that to Sedrick Ellis who lives in the backfield and was the catalyst for USC's defensive line. They're different players I guess but I find it more impressive when a DT shoots his gap and takes down the QB, rather than the DT being at a standstill near the LOS and shedding the block to chase down a QB that's scrambling for his life outside the pocket.

Oh and btw...Nebraska doesn't have an average defensive line. Just because the names don't jump out at you doesn't mean they're not doing their job. Watch the film...they all look pretty active and seem to win most of the battles with the O. Just because they don't have elite pass rushers doesn't mean they aren't good.

[Kyle]

Okay lets do it! 0-16 for suh! I'm on board!

[Kyle]

Imagine all the "Ruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuud!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and Suoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooh!" chants next year. The opponents are going to think we hate our team.


And LOVE Nebraska...which for some of us is 1000% true :)


first two thoughts i had.

[maryjanewatson]

first two thoughts i had.

Not gonna lie...having two Cornhuskers...especially two great guys like Barrett and Suh...as the backbone of the new era Tampa Bay D would be pretty darn cool.

[bucsfanreggie]

I've watched a lot of Suh live and on film. He is the real deal and would make an impact here. We need to get stronger on the D-Line, and he's the best guy available in the draft to do it. We can use the 2nd round picks to help us out at receiver and on the O-Line, but Suh would instantly upgrade the D-Line.

[JudgeDredd]

What did Sapp adust to weather wise, he grew up in florida and played at miami. :confused: There was nothing for him to adjust to.

And when we're even talking about weather affecting a player...we're really nit picking.

KONG is a beast and I would be ecstatic if we get him.
It's a wearing down processes. The season in twice as long, longer if you make the playoffs.



It's one thing when you're in 90 degrees tossing around kids easily for 2 months, than it is going 4 months being tossed around by adults.
It's not a single factor thing, but it's a combination. Think of it like salt. Through salt on your skin, no big deal it comes off. Salt on a cut... hurt... you'll live... salt on a burn... ow.... salt on a slug... well that's a different story all together.

You add longer season against bigger, pro level, competition each weak, all of the sudden something like "heat" that you have shrugged off so far, ends up becoming a compound factor. Sapp, despite being a florida-boy was nickenamed Mr. Fatigue his rookie year for a reason.

[TornadoRex]

Even so.. it affects him his rookie season, and he adjusts beginning in June.

No reason to worry, since 95 degree heat is 95 degree heat whether you're a DT or a RB.

[PopularStranger]

I believe we should stop this man crush on Suh and hop on the Mccoy bandwagon. Mccoy seems to get instant pressure more so than Suh. Suh does have an unreal motor but from what I see Mccoy seems like more of a gamechanger.

[TornadoRex]

McCoy gets washed too often. I'm not sure what you're seeing when you watch Suh, but he's constantly in the backfield and the QBs face.

[DeadEagle]

I'm not sure what you're seeing when you watch Suh


He's watching that link he provided, and basing his entire opinion on that one game. And his insight might hold water if it wasn't for one small, but significant, detail. Why did it seem that Suh was just "holding the LOS"? Why did it seem like the other Cornhusker defensive linemen were getting more pressure than Suh? Simple, and two words.



Tyrrod Taylor.



Yup. Believe it.



Ndamukong Suh was actually being used as a "spy" in that game on Taylor, much the way we once use Derrick Brooks to spy Michael Vick. A DT spying a QB? That goes to show Suh's amazing athleticism..... and that fact hit me on the game winning TD toss by Taylor. Watch Suh. There was no way that Taylor was going to cross the LOS on that scramble. He was doing what he was told to do, and doing it amazingly well.

[White Tiger]

He's watching that link he provided, and basing his entire opinion on that one game. And his insight might hold water if it wasn't for one small, but significant, detail. Why did it seem that Suh was just "holding the LOS"? Why did it seem like the other Cornhusker defensive linemen were getting more pressure than Suh? Simple, and two words.



Tyrrod Taylor.



Yup. Believe it.



Ndamukong Suh was actually being used as a "spy" in that game on Taylor, much the way we once use Derrick Brooks to spy Michael Vick. A DT spying a QB? That goes to show Suh's amazing athleticism..... and that fact hit me on the game winning TD toss by Taylor. Watch Suh. There was no way that Taylor was going to cross the LOS on that scramble. He was doing what he was told to do, and doing it amazingly well.

BUMP.

Is that the correct link though, because all I saw was Suh either making plays, or/and, doing an outstanding job within NC's defensive system?

[uscbucsfan]

I believe we should stop this man crush on Suh and hop on the Mccoy bandwagon. Mccoy seems to get instant pressure more so than Suh. Suh does have an unreal motor but from what I see Mccoy seems like more of a gamechanger.

So you find one person who dislikes Suh and you buy into what they are selling?


You should watch McCoy vs Miami...

[UMiamiBucFan]

So you find one person who dislikes Suh and you buy into what they are selling?


You should watch McCoy vs Miami...

I love what it says next to that game.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=188946

[TheDude]

Got this from another board...

Whoever wrote that is an idiot and has no idea what they are watching. Pushed back every single play? He's either a troll, a total moron, or on crack. Maybe all 3.

Suh > Mccoy

[TheDude]

I watched that entire vid and did'nt see him "pushed back" but about 2-3 plays, did'nt really see him spying either. He got penetration/disruption on the vast majority of those plays, probably 12 out of the 15 or so plays there he had an effect on the play. Whoever wrote that is just an idiot and has no business watching anymore football, ever.

Watch the youtube vid of the Oklahoma game as well. And see him get pushed back EVERY PLAY as well :rotf:

[galloway123]

You guys think Suh is big enough to play in Bate's scheme. Suh is an animal and we would be idiots to pass up on him.

[JJRedick7]

You guys think Suh is big enough to play in Bate's scheme. Suh is an animal and we would be idiots to pass up on him.

Size doesn't matter to this cat, he has a high end motor and never stops.

It's very rare to find a DT to be in Heisman talks. No way we pass him up.

[TheDude]

Let's hope Bates is'nt here next year. But KONG has the size to play in any 4-3 scheme.

[TornadoRex]

We really can't be drafting based on scheme, especially since it doesn't look like Bates is long for Tampa.

[BucLovinTerp]

We really can't be drafting based on scheme, especially since it doesn't look like Bates is long for Tampa.

Exactly.

[DeadEagle]

Got this from another board...



And this is a post from etk...... isn't it?

[Miller4Prez64]

We really can't be drafting based on scheme, especially since it doesn't look like Bates is long for Tampa.

Do we know this for sure, though??? If we all had our way Bates would be sent packing, but for all we know he may still be here next year. Bill Muir managed to keep a job for an extended period.

[TornadoRex]

Do we know this for sure, though??? If we all had our way Bates would be sent packing, but for all we know he may still be here next year. Bill Muir managed to keep a job for an extended period.

The guy has notoriously had to jump from job to job. Not just basing my presumption on just how bad our defense sucks.

He's old as dirt, too.

[Miller4Prez64]

The guy has notoriously had to jump from job to job. Not just basing my presumption on just how bad our defense sucks.

He's old as dirt, too.

I hope he's gone and we call up Rod Marinelli to take over as DC. But I have a feeling Bates is back next year. Olson is the worse of the two evils anyways, and if I could choose to fire one I'd quickly dump the Gruden wannabe.

[TornadoRex]

Both of them need to be out of here.

The Bates hiring, looking back, is absolutely dumbfounding now. Let's change up our old defense that everyone knew and was comfortable with, and create 3 or 4 extra holes while we're at it.

Ugh. Don't want to think about it anymore.

[Miller4Prez64]

Both of them need to be out of here.

The Bates hiring, looking back, is absolutely dumbfounding now. Let's change up our old defense that everyone knew and was comfortable with, and create 3 or 4 extra holes while we're at it.

Ugh. Don't want to think about it anymore.

If we wanted Bates to change the scheme, we probably should've had him keep things mostly the same this year because we have a roster full of Tampa 2 players trying to play in a new system. That's why I have a feeling Bates will be back, they are going to try and add players who fit his scheme.

[maryjanewatson]

Suh fits any system - you just have to figure out how much weight you'd like him to add. If Bates wants him up to 330, he can do that.

[TheDude]

Both of them need to be out of here.

The Bates hiring, looking back, is absolutely dumbfounding now. Let's change up our old defense that everyone knew and was comfortable with, and create 3 or 4 extra holes while we're at it.

Ugh. Don't want to think about it anymore.

agreed

[ArmchairBuc]

Suh fits any system - you just have to figure out how much weight you'd like him to add. If Bates wants him up to 330, he can do that.

If Suh could keep his explosiveness and athleticism at 330 I wouldn't want to be playing on the other side of the ball.

[irishbucsfan40]

And this is a post from etk...... isn't it?

etk really doesn't like Suh.

[DeadEagle]

etk really doesn't like Suh.



There's something below the surface of that hate that I have yet to figure out. But yeah.... he hates Suh.

[UMiamiBucFan]

Who is ETK?

[DeadEagle]

Who is ETK?



He's a poster on Scott Wright's draft forum. He thinks he's King Kong of the Buccaneers section of that message board, and generally has a flock that follows him.

[irishbucsfan40]

He's a poster on Scott Wright's draft forum. He thinks he's King Kong of the Buccaneers section of that message board, and generally has a flock that follows him.

To be fair, I've agreed with the vast majority of his opinions in the past. Which is a pretty ringing endorsement.

[TornadoRex]

He has a flock of morons, apparently.

"Gerald McCoy is one of the best DT prospects ever."

I really like McCoy and I think that's taking hyperbole to the next level.

[TornadoRex]

To be fair, I've agreed with the vast majority of his opinions in the past. Which is a pretty ringing endorsement.

Well, it's pretty obvious that he understands football...

not so much on the scouting end, though.

[Chebington]

Well, it's pretty obvious that he understands football...

not so much on the scouting end, though.

If he's the guy that popularstranger posted, then I'm not sure I would agree with that first statement.

[TornadoRex]

If he's the guy that popularstranger posted, then I'm not sure I would agree with that first statement.

Yeah... complete crap for brains as a scout.

http://www.draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1726532&#post1726532

[DeadEagle]

Yeah... complete crap for brains as a scout.

http://www.draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1726532&#post1726532



I was trying to find that post on that site..... 'cause it just seemed like one of his takes.

[TornadoRex]

I was trying to find that post on that site..... 'cause it just seemed like one of his takes.

I'll reserve the benefit of the doubt on that post, because it was made in July.

[DeadEagle]

I'll reserve the benefit of the doubt on that post, because it was made in July.



Oh.... I was just talking about the writing style in the post. It made me think of him, and I went over there to see if that's where PopularStranger got it from. Couldn't find it.... so I just asked him.

[nensey_zy]

Selvie is a 4-3 end who, despite getting double teamed about 80% of the time and triple teamed about 50% of the time, is still quite productive.

You think I'm pulling those numbers out of nowhere, but there's a very well researched article about Selvie's play that came out last season. Too tired to search for it.

current count is 117 of 263 so far this season.

[HighOnMtZion]

i remember a lot of these same comments being made about Glenn Dorsey a couple of years ago and he has done next to nothing as a pro... in fact a lot of people were screaming how stupid the Falcons were to pass him up for the "future bust" Matt Ryan.. Dorsey was going to be the most dominate DT in football lol. my point in this is that its next to impossible to gauge how effective these DTs are going to be at the next level. I feel like they are as much as a crap shoot as Qbs are in the first round. The other thing is how quickly every one here has jumped off the Gerald McCoy bandwagon of a year ago for Suh.. We are in desperate need of d-line help, that is for sure.. i'm just not completely sold on Suh

draft Suh trade for Dorsey and say good bye to any O-Line we play.

[rice4381]

Any word on how our boy Suh played today? I see he got a sack, but we don't too many Nebraska games down in Tampa.

[nttnybuc]

Yeah... complete crap for brains as a scout.

http://www.draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1726532&#post1726532


Him using that video as evidence is pretty hysterical. Suh did a great job at neutralizing the blocker and reading where the play is going. It seemed like he didn't have any gap responsibilities. And though there were plays that he missed tackles, he still reaked havoc in the backfield and blew the play up. That lineman held him quite a bit, too

[TornadoRex]

Any word on how our boy Suh played today? I see he got a sack, but we don't too many Nebraska games down in Tampa.

The Nebraska game was on FSN Florida today!

Gotta channel surf more!

[maryjanewatson]

Suh was typically excellent today. Amazing play of the day: Suh reading a screen, disengaging, and running the back down from behind - 10 yards past the line of scrimmage. How many defensive tackles on the planet can do THAT?

Every time I start to think I'm over-hyping him, or being a homer, or doing the Chuck Norris thing...I watch him play, and I realize he's possibly not hyped ENOUGH.

[Chebington]

Suh was typically excellent today. Amazing play of the day: Suh reading a screen, disengaging, and running the back down from behind - 10 yards past the line of scrimmage. How many defensive tackles on the planet can do THAT?

Every time I start to think I'm over-hyping him, or being a homer, or doing the Chuck Norris thing...I watch him play, and I realize he's possibly not hyped ENOUGH.

The first thing happens more often than you'd think, especially when the RB hits pursuit and starts to dance around.

As to the second thing, I don't think he could be hyped much less around here. He neck and neck with Berry as the consensus best player in the country, at least on this board.

[maryjanewatson]

The first thing happens more often than you'd think, especially when the RB hits pursuit and starts to dance around.

As to the second thing, I don't think he could be hyped much less around here. He neck and neck with Berry as the consensus best player in the country, at least on this board.

I don't know if you saw the play, but the back didn't dance, he caught the ball and went straight upfield. He had to hesitate a second behind his blockers about ten yards downfield, and that's when Suh got him - before guys who had better angles and were closer.

What impressed me more than even the athleticism was how quickly he diagnosed it. The moment he figured out the lineman was going to ole, he turned and started running. You see ten year NFL veterans who fall for that move.

This kid is amazing. I mean, every Nebraska game I get to watch is a treat while he's here. He always makes at least 4-5 amazing plays. There was another one today...He got double teamed, spun around the guard and literally threw the center off to the side. THREW HIM, like he was a sack of laundry, and then pressured the QB into throwing it away.

[real bucs fan]

I'm with MJW. I think Suh is the best player for the Bucs in this draft. He is as sure a thing as you can get. Senior, complete player, dominates every game he plays in. His upperbody strength is absolutely unbelievable. He has more power and strength in his arms than most lineman do in their whole bodies. He is athletic, and plays to the whistle, not much to not LOVE here...

[Chebington]

I don't know if you saw the play, but the back didn't dance, he caught the ball and went straight upfield. He had to hesitate a second behind his blockers about ten yards downfield, and that's when Suh got him - before guys who had better angles and were closer.

What impressed me more than even the athleticism was how quickly he diagnosed it. The moment he figured out the lineman was going to ole, he turned and started running. You see ten year NFL veterans who fall for that move.

This kid is amazing. I mean, every Nebraska game I get to watch is a treat while he's here. He always makes at least 4-5 amazing plays. There was another one today...He got double teamed, spun around the guard and literally threw the center off to the side. THREW HIM, like he was a sack of laundry, and then pressured the QB into throwing it away.

I did not see the play, but now I wish I had.

The more I watch Suh, the more he seems too good to be true. There MUST be something wrong with him besides my minor, practically insignificant quibbles. But what...