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bucEbadger

10-21-2001, 05:55 PM

I still think the Buccaneers can go 10-6, but I am expecting to hear some major shake-up with the Buccaneer coaching staff. Bring back Trent Dilfer, Ryan Leaf, even Mike Shula. Evidently none of them were the real problem. How predictable the offense was in the first half-on first down Dunn runs the ball, followed by a pass play on second down. The offensive line needs some major help. Why is Pete Pierson not starting? Sit some of the starters and see what the second string can do during the first half. The defense needs to step it up and score some touchdowns, as they have in seasons past. The special teams is actually playing okay. Royals looked like his punts were going the distance. Gramatica's kick-offs were landing right on the 1 yard line. Dwight Smith gives the fans hope a kick-off may be returned for a touchdown.

If the team continues to play the way they have started off, alot of fans will be taken off the waiting list. Group sales may be available without the Tailgate Party next year.

garydunn

10-21-2001, 06:43 PM

Typical Dungy ball and he might as well keep crying he won't have a million dollar job next year cause he is a B coach jynx. Tony only gets emotional when he loses (Idiot).
The offensive line got beat badly today. Allowing Brad Johnson to get smack around way to much. I still can't figure out how the O can move the football 90yrds and then not score a touch down. Again the O moved the chains repeatedly but aren't delivering the package. Passing was great but the run was forgotten which usually happens when your constantly behind.
Defense have quit on us the last two games and they really quit today. Quiting is weak and I can't believe our defense is crying then giving up. Still missing open field tackles and not stopping the run. When it comes to 3rd and long you might as well prepare for 1st and 10. There is no more 1-2-3 and out.
Clyde C screwed up a scoring drive by stopping the pass and calling running plays to Alstott too many times in a row after his long gallup.
It looks bleak and dim for us to make the playoffs with what is going on. Tony needs to quit cring about his contract or fire him now. Six years he has coached the Bucs and I have seen to many great players belittled under his playbook and strategy. If you want a job Tony call me I have an opening for you coaching on a grade school salary or is that unacceptable.

shadow13

10-21-2001, 06:43 PM

You have to be totally disgusted with that performance today. Coaching, Offense, Defense, absolutely terrible. If I was the owner of the team, I would be on the phone with Parcells immediately if not sooner. This team needs a shake up because it appears to me that they have lost their spark and drive to win football games. Going through the motions might get you to 8-8 but that will keep you out of the playoffs for sure.

micah_6754

10-21-2001, 06:48 PM

We Can beat the packers, but not the 0-3 Titans?
We'll get nowhere until dungy is gone. Sapp even said it today on the pregame show on ABC. He said if We dont take it all this year dungy's job and everyone else's is in danger. Well Warren, you haven't impressed me at all this year, fatboy. And ive never been to impressed with dungy. So , were doomed. I'd like to see Mike Holmgren coaching for us http://64.159.85.249/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif

Bye Bye Dungy.
Warren who?

Buck_N_A

10-21-2001, 06:55 PM

The SucKaneers?
What happened to our Defence? Warrens Saps? 10 sacks? Since when did we trade our defence with last years Cowboys defence? What of Brad "The Statue" Johnson? Dungy Put King back in, at least he can move around in the pocket. When are you going to learn that 2 and 3 yeard dump offs are going to get it done? I have a new name for our Defence...THe Prostitutes-They suck!

DB55&JL47!!!

10-21-2001, 07:10 PM

It's going to be a rough ride if we keep playing like this. We never hit it in all cylinders. We moved the ball at times, but we get bad field position. I'm kind of concern about our defense (but I wouldn't panic yet), I like buc ball and 60 minutes worth of football (that goes for those loosers that left before the end) but today we came short. Do we miss coaches Edwards and Smith that bad? I guess I'll take a game at the time, so no predictions. Let's beat "Las Vikingas" next week and get back to .500. Is the ship sinking? I don't think so. But if I have to choose I would go down with it and I still would choose Coach Dungy and Kiffin to be in charge.
Go bucs!! great the ship feels lighter, watch all those dum&#!&ts jumping off ...

rubrnek

10-21-2001, 07:28 PM

Its gonna be a long season if our O-line can't protect the quarterback, and our defense continues to slide. The Bucs defense has worked for years to get themselves to the "Top-of-the-List"...they appear to be working on becoming a "Bottom-of-the-List" defense. Grab your ankles, and brace yourself, this is gonna hurt.... ;P

dallasbucfan

10-21-2001, 07:30 PM

At this point, I think we will be lucky if we win 6 games, since at this point here are no easy games on the schedule. We should beat Detroit twice, Cincinnati, and Minnesota next week. 6 wins. Sit back and hang on because this is going to be a LONG season resulting in the firing of Dungy.
Warren and the underachieving defense (namely Brooks), what do you have to say for yourselves now? Your reputation is no longer carrying you. Shut up and play ball!

marshmallow12

10-21-2001, 07:44 PM

Dungy better turn this ship around or he can hop on the next flight to nowhereville. There is no way you can lose like that, on your own turf, with a team with as much talent as this one. We've been through three qbs and 3 coordinators in three years. Our offense is still the same. The only thing that has stayed the same is Dungy. If he doesnt win a championship THIS year, he's outta here and I think he knows it.

Bucs Fan Stuck In Ohio

10-21-2001, 07:52 PM

"Paper Champions" is all The Tampa Bay Buccaneers will ever be.It's SAD!

DaBoyzInPewter

10-21-2001, 07:54 PM

Get fvcking Dungy out of Tampa NOW. Put in a REAL coach or expect to be 6-10..which is how I predict the bucs to finish....they are the biggest flop in the NFL. At least Tennessee looked "good" in their losses.

Dungy flat out sucks..new players..new coordinators...new systems...and same ol offense with same ol coach...HOW THE HELL ARE YOU GOING TO ARGUE THAT FONEY DUNGY ISNT THE PROBLEM? no matter what we do...same offense same coach....this is rediculous...send dungy back to high school ball where he belongs

LewBoB1022

10-21-2001, 08:02 PM

What the hell is wrong with us? Why do we do the same play every first down?!?! Can't the coaching staff see that IT DOESNT WORK!!!! Our offense is such crap, i cant even put into words how horrible it is. We were one of the best teams last year, now were one of the worst. Hey could it be that Clyde Christensen has no idea what the hell he's doing? I think so! I dont know, im startiong to wonder if were ever gonna win another game! I'll be a Bucs fan through thick and thin but you're really pushing it. You guys better shape up. I've lost all hope in making it to the super bowl. We really suck this year.

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LewBoB1022

10-21-2001, 08:05 PM

I just wanna say onemore thing. O-line, what the hell are you doing. Hey, heres a thought, in the next game, lets try something new, PROTECT THE QUARTERBACK!!!

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txramsfan

10-21-2001, 08:08 PM

Originally posted by Bucs Fan Stuck In Ohio:
"Paper Champions" is all The Tampa Bay Buccaneers will ever be.It's SAD!

Greatest post I have ever seen on this board. Short sweet and poetic.

txramsfan

10-21-2001, 08:10 PM

After the Nov. 11th game against Detroit, your team could lose out the season.

pacman524

10-21-2001, 08:39 PM

Let's not forget to point the finger for the defensive woes where it belongs: Sapp.
He is playing like his name. His pass rush totally sucks, & he did absolutely nothing on rush defense today.
He has done absolutely nothing for the Bucs this year except put undue pre-season pressure on Dungy & the rest of the team. Well Warren, since it doesnt look like the Bucs are going Super-bowling this year, its time you got your tired, RUDE, nasty self out of town & QUIT on your team like you promised you would do in August....oh, you mean you quit already ? Thats what its looked like so far !!
Everyone is so TIRED of you and your bull___, with not signing autographs, acting like eveyone owes you, & just not being a good ambassador for your organization. Now, on top of that, you are no longer a playmaker but instead a liability on defense.
A Warrick Dunn, Derrick Brooks, or John Lynch you will NEVER be...guys who bust their hump for 60 minutes & never complain or toot their own horn.
Sapp, you are the epitome of what is wrong with American society today. Why dont you just turn in your uniform & let somebody else hungry for something other than a cheesburger get some more playing time. I saw Steve White's number more than yours today.

raf01

10-21-2001, 08:50 PM

Dungy,

Put little Shawn King back!
He brought the magic to the bucs once, he can do it again. I know Brad is doing the best he can, but something's not quite right as you guys know.

We still have time to overcome this miserable start.

PUT SHAWN BACK IN.

micah_6754

10-21-2001, 08:52 PM

Just one more thing, If we can get through this season and still be bucs fans next year, we have a lot of balls. Everyone knows I am a diehard buccaneers fan at school. tomorrow, Im going to get so much crap because we were beat by the STEELERS with a FATFÜCK Running back. I don't care what happens to the bucs, i will always be there. I am a true fan and nothing will change that. just please, dont lose to Detroit.

flaboyreuben

10-21-2001, 08:53 PM

How long must this continue? I have been a fan from day one and we have come a long way. But being a "super bowl contender" it is embarrasing to be the joke we are now. All the people talk about the promising play in the fourth quarter against the Titans and Steelers but wake up people the games were all but over and the other teams slacked off. Bringing in some of these mega money free agents has tore apart the unity and flow of our team. I only see Keyshawn paying it back. Half of our team plays with a big head instead of a big heart.Unless they wake up and I don't think they will, I see a double-digit losing season. By the way, about re-alignment, maybe a better place for Tampa would be the college ranks but not the SEC, we couldn't win there either.

Dunn21

10-21-2001, 09:03 PM

**** this god **** season were ****ing worthless!! defense is playing like the god **** rams last year. i NEVER thought id see this bucs defense play this ****ty in my life!! Close the books on this season becuase its over...Dungy see you later, peace out to the entire coaching staff, good bye to many of our talented players..its rebuiding time...get ready bucs fans becuase futility awaits us for the next few decades again...jesus christ you are absolutely terrible. i cant stand watching any more of this season. vikings come to town next week...were going to get our ***** handed to us once again...then @ green bay...2-5 before you know it. our only wins the rest of the way will probably be home vs detroit and maybe home vs chicago. later gentlemen

MvpAlstott

10-21-2001, 09:35 PM

People you just got to hold on, its been like this for the past 2 years now starting off sh***y ad rebounding by whooping the vikings. But, i do agree with the rest of you, Dungy has got to get out of town now! When that does happen, we have to make sure that we keep all of our players in tact cause we have a very talented bunch of players under contract for a while, an they won't be going anywhere. But as for now, we have to take it 1 at a time. All i want to know is that how can't a NFL Offense score any freakin ponts at all. Especially with a rb like Dunn and wr Keyshawn it makes no sense. I could get plays from a Madden game and do better play calling that we have been doing recently.

Mr. Meltzer you have head it from fans, get Dungy out and someone new in. Parcells woul be a nice fit and keep the squad together.

Get back together Bucs it's a long season fans you got to have faith, the season is no where near over, and we haven been through this before.

Buck_N_A

10-21-2001, 09:49 PM

Originally posted by MvpAlstott:
People you just got to hold on, its been like this for the past 2 years now starting off sh***y ad rebounding by whooping the vikings. But, i do agree with the rest of you, Dungy has got to get out of town now! When that does happen, we have to make sure that we keep all of our players in tact cause we have a very talented bunch of players under contract for a while, an they won't be going anywhere. But as for now, we have to take it 1 at a time. All i want to know is that how can't a NFL Offense score any freakin ponts at all. Especially with a rb like Dunn and wr Keyshawn it makes no sense. I could get plays from a Madden game and do better play calling that we have been doing recently.

Mr. Meltzer you have head it from fans, get Dungy out and someone new in. Parcells woul be a nice fit and keep the squad together.

Get back together Bucs it's a long season fans you got to have faith, the season is no where near over, and we haven been through this before.
We've been through this before yes...too many times. And to pacman524- I agree with you about Sapp. I met him once and it turned me against him. He does feel like he's above everyone else. I do think that Shawn should get a chance to play. He took us to the Playoffs twice. Playing with lesser players, and at least he doesn't hold the ball too long and he can move.

Kally_Bo

10-21-2001, 10:03 PM

This is the perfect example of a team that is resting on it's laurels ... taking everything for granted ... not living up to the hype. Coaches everywhere will use the 2001 Bucs as an example to their teams to not get too cocky, and let the hype get to you...

bucskicka$$

10-21-2001, 10:10 PM

I quote...

"We will finish the season and forever be known as the team with loads of talent that should of won the super bowl many times but never got it done."

jatabuc

10-21-2001, 10:24 PM

shaun wouldn't have gotten dropped 10 times. maybe we're not meant to win. why are the football gods aylways sh#*ing on us?

Wazzup!

10-21-2001, 10:37 PM

Originally posted by Hot Topic:
Tampa Bay is 2-3 after its loss to Pittsburgh, familiar territory for a team that has started three consecutive seasons 3-4 yet still made the playoffs twice.

What does the rest of the season hold for the Bucs this year?

Have you EVER watched a team with SOOO MANY
Pro-Bowl fast talkers play this pathetic in your entire life? Yellow Bellied SAPP SUkKA
...he belongs on WWF fighting Booker-T!
I actually watched one play where Dave Moore stood there and watched a guy(55)go right past him and he didn't even make an attempt
at blocking him(one of 10 sacks)
I like what a player from Pittsburgh said after the game.....the Tampa Bay Bucs are
"PAPER CHAMPIONS".....can't you just hear that song from Queen playing in the background..."we are the champions...my friends"...as they send 8 players to Hawaii...for a pro bowl...ONLY IN AMERICA!

kochman2002

10-21-2001, 10:47 PM

Like many of you, I too believe that Dungy needs to be fired. Like so many have said.....3 QB's, 3 OC's, same horrible Buc offense! We will never win a Super Bowl with Dungy as the head coach. Why doesn't anybody in Buc's management listen to the rest of the football world? Everybody acknowledges that we will always rank in the last third of the league in offense with Dungy as the head coach. If we had Mike Martz as our head coach, we'd be unstoppable! (Granted many teams would do well, but we have some great players) But no! Our weapons go to waste, and Brad only seems to be going for Key, and Green on occasion. Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Dungy and Clyde promise a new offense this year? Well, where is it? This is defintitely the worst offense I've seen in a while. Absolutely no consistency. And wasn't Clyde the offensive coordinator at the Pro Bowl a couple years back, and tallied somthing like 40 points? Buc's management, two words: Fire Dungy! We will never reach the Super Bowl with this man running the team! The way we are playing now, we'll be lucky to get 8 wins, and I might even be giving them too much credit! I too think that they should put in Shaun King. Brad's not doing anything that he couldn't do, plus Shaun is more mobile. Oh, and he also isn't making 5.5 million a season either!

bucEbadger

10-21-2001, 10:52 PM

We all need to remember that 2 out of our 3 losses were to AFC teams, and only the Minnesota loss was a Divisional loss. Are we that much worse than Green Bay, the projected Super Bowl Champions this morning, who have two losses to our three, but both of those are Divisional opponents?(Tampa and Minnesota.) At this time Detroit is not a threat to either the Divisional Championship or a wild card berth. If we beat Minnesota next week we will be back to .500, and back in the race

This season will most likely be a disappointment to many that had high expectations for the Buccaneers. That is the difference Tony Dungy brought to Tampa. As the ONLY WINNING COACH in Tampa history he raised the standard that fans expect to win, not just during the season, but in the play-offs.

Predictions for the end of the season-Warren Sapp is no longer seen on any sports shows as fans lose interest in him when his numbers reflect how poorly he is playing. Brad Johnson sets NFL record for number of sacks in a single season. Keyshawn Johnson has best year ever, and goes to the Pro Bowl, the only Buccaneer player selected. Derrick Brooks is told that he needs to restructure his contract or be cut,and he joins Chidi and Tyoka in St. Louis.

Y2A

10-21-2001, 11:32 PM

Talent-wise, we have the Packers, Rams, Saints (sort of), Ravens (also, sort-of), and the Eagles. Only 2 of those games are away. There are 2 games with weather concerns, december games at cincy and chicago. Assuming losses to all those teams, its a 6-10 record. I think we will win a sub 40 degree game (or both) to hold us at 8-8 at the worst. Theres always a chance of beating the Saints, Ravens, and even Eagles at home, the way those teams are playing right now (the last couple weeks anyway). So 11-5 without having big upsets at St Louis or at Green Bay is not out of the question... I think we will lose one of those games and hit the 10-6 mark, poor starts are inevitable with this team so Im not worried yet.

jpdrums

10-22-2001, 12:38 AM

I will say 2-14

We suck. It wasn't bad sucking in the 80's and early nineties since I knew we would suck with the crappy players we had. With good players though, It's just downright painful.

SB4TB

10-22-2001, 12:40 AM

Lets see:

Vikings WIN
Packers LOSS
Detroit WIN
Chicago WIN
ST Louis LOSS
Cincinnati WIN
Detroit WIN
Chicago LOSS
New Orleans LOSS
Baltimore LOSS If Grbac is playing WIN
SO I SEE 7-9 OR 8-8
PRETTY BAD :<

Ehud

10-22-2001, 12:45 AM

Dungy: If you keep doing what you're doing, you will keep getting what you're getting.

shadow13

10-22-2001, 12:52 AM

You guys are right Brad Johnson is a sitting duck back there. We should have brought Parcells and Vinny in at the beginning of the year. At least Vinny even with his bad achilles and all has the football presence to get out of the pocket and then throw the ball out of bounds. Our next best choice is to bring King back in. 10 Sacks allowed to Pittsburgh, hey that was not Mean Joe Greene, LC Greenwood, Lambert and Ham. That was the 2001 Steelers. Can you imagine King getting sacked more than 5 times even? http://64.159.85.249/ubb/noncgi/rolleyes.gif

shadow13

10-22-2001, 01:01 AM

The Dungy Era was a Good One, thank you Tony for assembling one of the greatest defenses ever in the history of the game. However, they seem to have lost their will to WIN. Therefore in the memory of the greatest coach in the history of this franchise John McKay. What do you think of the execution of this head coach and the rest of this coaching staff? I AM ALL FOR IT. http://64.159.85.249/ubb/noncgi/eek.gif http://64.159.85.249/ubb/noncgi/rolleyes.gif http://64.159.85.249/ubb/noncgi/frown.gif

rajahbucsguy

10-22-2001, 01:13 AM

All I can say is "been there, done that" with the Bucs it's always a bumpy ride. It's not time to jump ship, or for a mutiny. We have all seen this before and the faithful won't go anywhere. It's the fair weather fans I don't understand. Do you people actually read what you write? I have been a fan since the beginning, and will be a fan til the bitter end. Not always happy, but always a fan. I think the Bucs can put together a 9-7 season, maybe 10-6 and squeek into the playoffs with some help. Would like to see them get things together earlier in the season, but I am a fan, not a coach. I will leave coaching up to the coaches, and playing up to the players. After all isn't that what they get paid for? And only they know if they are not doing their jobs. I will hold true, and hope others do the same. We may not be first, but we are not the worst. Last I heard a season was 16 games not 5, and only one team does not lose their last game. Thanks for your time and GO BUCS!! http://64.159.85.249/ubb/noncgi/cool.gif

bpoppa

10-22-2001, 06:16 AM

Everyone in here that is complaining about the Bucs not playing so well, ****es me off. When a team has so many great players and so many players with huge egos. it takes time for them to mesh together. Like Brad and Key...first few games they were horrible and now things are beginning to stick. Most of you are not true Bucs fans, because if you were, you would remember the early days when the Bucs were the worst team in the league. I was a fan back in those days and will be a fan for the years to come. Come on guys, lets stick by our team and stop bashing them. Instead let's bash that loud-mouth Steeler Lee Flowers who bashed the Bucs on ESPN and called them Paper Champions. Things will start meshing for the Bucs and look out the second half of the season....I think we will see a few surprises.

rdgzzz

10-22-2001, 08:10 AM

Well let's see... the offensive line SUCKS!We don't BLITZ our corners anymore,we can't run the ball,our quarterback took about 10 sacks yesterday.And we can't stop the RUN!! 8-8 or 9-7 and this is being nice.

Buck_N_A

10-22-2001, 09:50 AM

Originally posted by bpoppa:
Everyone in here that is complaining about the Bucs not playing so well, ****es me off. When a team has so many great players and so many players with huge egos. it takes time for them to mesh together. Like Brad and Key...first few games they were horrible and now things are beginning to stick. Most of you are not true Bucs fans, because if you were, you would remember the early days when the Bucs were the worst team in the league. I was a fan back in those days and will be a fan for the years to come. Come on guys, lets stick by our team and stop bashing them. Instead let's bash that loud-mouth Steeler Lee Flowers who bashed the Bucs on ESPN and called them Paper Champions. Things will start meshing for the Bucs and look out the second half of the season....I think we will see a few surprises.
I remember it all too well when the Bucs were the laughing stock of the NFL. But those Bucs didn't have the talent that this current Buc team did. One thing I think that you're missing my friend is that as a fan we feel we have a right to display our emotions. You do have to admit that in the past we had a defence. That was the bright spot and we could always say "hey the defence kept us in the ball game". Now we're not even sure if the defence will show up. A lot of us are frustrated by THESE Bucs. About bashing Flowers: At this point in time he seems to have a point. I'm not sure where Coach Dungy is going at this point of if he's under pressure from upstairs to play Brad Johnson but I think that putting Shaun King back in just to get a spark going should be something he should be thinking off.

C.Henz

10-22-2001, 11:15 AM

9-7 if we catch a few breaks and another wild card. This means we won't be playing at home. But what does it matter where we play it really looks pathetic right now.

C.Henz

10-22-2001, 11:17 AM

9-7 if we catch a few breaks and another wild card. This means we won't be playing at home. But what does it matter where we play it really looks pathetic right now.

BucNews

10-22-2001, 11:26 AM

The Buccaneers finish 6-10. Dungy is fired and the Buccaneers trade Sapp to the Texans for the first round pick.

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bucswinitall

10-22-2001, 01:04 PM

Where do we begin? It seems that Keyshawn, the one who is supposed to be running his mouth, has defined his role as a go to guy for the bucs without all of the usual whining. Instead, we now have sackless (in both ways) sapp destroying the teams unity. John Lynch and Ronde are still playing well and will continue to be unsung heroes for the bucs, but what's with the d-line and the linebackers? I haven't seen a solid tackle by anyone but lynch. No more hard hits and hardly any gang tackling. The speed seems gone as well. What happened to the spark?

Kenyatta is not improving and neither is Brad Johnson, I think he is playing like an old man.

Finally, Tony annoys me with his complacency week after week. When is he going to get fired up or show any emotion? He needs to light a fire under the team's *****. He keeps talking about getting back to the basics, but I don't see even basic talent.

I am embarrassed being such a huge fan, I hope this season gets better before I lapse into depression.

jamescalvinjones

10-22-2001, 01:11 PM

Are you kidding me? If you think sitting BJ is the answer then you need to learn more about the game. Shaun King is not an NFL caliber QB. If he wasn't on the BUcs he wouldn't even be in the NFL. Brad Johnson can't do anything when he's on his back, and no QB would get out of the sacks our pathetic O line is giving up, not even M. Vick. Originally posted by shaunkingrulz:

I think tony dungy shuold realize that brad johnson isn't ready and he shoud put shaun king in as starter king already knows this offense and i think the way there playin theyll go 10-6 at the highest

jamescalvinjones

10-22-2001, 01:12 PM

shadow13

10-22-2001, 01:14 PM

Hey so far Steve McNair, Donovan McNabb,(last year) and Dante Culpepper have all made this once proud defense look unprepared. How are we going to stop Culpepper this coming weekend when our defense looks like Swiss Cheese? The game against the Vikings this Sunday is more or less the season because if we go 2-4 remember we go into that Cheese Factory, Lambeau Field the following week. I believe we have to keep most of the guys on this defense. Namely, Brooks, Lynch, Abraham, Barber, McFarland, and Sapp. However, we made a big mistake when we let Nickerson go, our linebackers are not playing with enough intensity, but then again I guess that could be said of the whole team. I agree with an earlier post there is no excuse for letting yourself get sacked 10 Times. Time to bring King back in Dungy.

bucswinitall

10-22-2001, 01:21 PM

I agree with you about Hardy, the backers miss him and his role as the field general. King and Dunn had a nice spark last year, but I am not sure if he would do any better at the moment. Someone else posted a good point as well, on every run play, Keyshawn goes into motion and it gives the play away. Why don't they try something new or at least throw a bomb every now and then to spread the D for the run.

JBbucfan40

10-22-2001, 02:02 PM

For all of you who are giving up on the Bucs already this season, I'm glad your leaving our bandwagon. For many of us who have been fans for many many years (not just the past 4 years like you fake fans jumping the bandwagon), we root for our team and wish them the best. Know I must admit, of course I'm frustrated just like all of you. There are more question marks right now then we've had in a long time. But come on...do you really think our D will play this poorly all season. And anyways, we have put ourselves in a deep whole just about every year and have always answered the bell. Want to know why?? Because there are fans like me who have supported the Bucs during rough times. I've sat through every game at the Old Sombrero when we wore orange jeresys no matter what the score(I bet most of you didn't even know we played at a different stadium or even wore different colors!!) Anyways, for all of you fake fans, please leave our bandwagon while the real fans can enjoy the ride as the Bucs turn this ship around and head into the playoffs!!!!!

bucswinitall

10-22-2001, 02:20 PM

Hey, I welcome all of the new fans because building a fan base is what it's all about. And yes, the bucs have been digging holes in the beginning of each season, but I think a high caliber ball club would improve on that trend since they should recognize it. I hope the bandwagon gets too big to fit everyone because that would mean success by the team. Mediocre performances = no super bowl.

Buccgator

10-22-2001, 02:46 PM

This goes out to all our fans who are hating our team right now!!! To all you guess what, this is the NFL. Not college, or high school where schedules are to the point that a good team just beats everybodys *** every week. In the NFL it's just not that simple, thats why it's the NFL. This is not some cake walk. Yeah we have lost to Tennessee they have a crap record, but... hope all you fair weather fans are smart enough to see that Tennessee is going to be right there at the end, you watch. They are not as bad as their record indicates. And guess what folks, neither are the Bucs. Sure we are showing signs of cellar dwelling, but we aint Detroit yet huh? I'm not hating on Detroit, but theres a team that is certainly better than their record. And, guess what the Bucs better be prepared for that contest as well. Sure we are struggling offensively, and now defensively. Maybe that is our wake up call. Isn't that it every year about this time? C'mon fans give it a little more time let's see what happens. I agree Dungy is probably hurting us but think about it, who is really in charge of Dungy... the management. Look no further than there. They are Dungy faithful. Why? Simple... the playoffs. He sold the management his "STYLE" and they bought it, and he has been successful with it by week 16. Every coach has a "style" of coaching. But if the Bucs go 6-10 or something to that effect, then his style will finally prove wrong and then it "will" be up to the management perhaps to find a new coach. I'm not defending his offensive style at all, I for sure think there needs to be total control by the offensive coordinator whoever it happens to be in this organization. Oh and by the way at least we aren't sitting in row 67 of the old stadium in 1977 sweating our balls off and getting killed by 45 points, ok been there and done that. And I have been a diehard since age 8. But, I'll take our current situation any day! Name one game were we have gotten destroyed this year. Minnesota 4 points, Tenn. 3 points. Pittsburgh, 7 points. Some of you fans act like teams are just kicking our *** and laughing at us going in the locker room. Some of you are a victom of "your own hype". It's the preseason hype that has all of you so upset. Oh Bucs are gonna do this and bucs are gonna do that this year. And now that it hasn't quite happened let's find someone to blame right? Some of you are knockin Sapp, sure he's a big mouth but that is his style and for the most part he has backed it up while in Tampa Bay. Where are all you when he knocks somebody's brains out? Hey we could run through the whole roster and break everybody down, will that improve anything? Not!!! C'mon people, if you are that miserable, turn in your tickets, there are plenty of people that do want them. At 2-3 we can still get there. But, the playoffs are not out yet. And again..... our schedule will be demanding. We beat Green Bay. We lost to Pittsburgh, who is legendary for being one of the most physical teams in the league year in year out. Maybe not the best schedule, but "physical". You people think Jerome Bettis is a piece of steak? 95% of you fans bashin our defense couldn't tackle that guy if your life depended on it. How bout Marshall Faulk who last year chewed us up. But....we beat them cause "OUR TEAM" kept playing. Remember, "Our Team"? Hey and don't get me wrong, you all have a right to your opinions as I do, but my god, our team has been labeled "paper champions", does that mean we are all now "Paper fans" too? I can certainly say this if the Bucs show improvement it won't be because of the reaction of fans, it will be from within them. I am hearing all this talk of the Bucs breaking up after this season if we don't win the whole thing. Sour fans certainly will help break them up too. And if it happens that way who will we blame, Dungy or the management, or Derrick, or Warren, or Lynch. No doubt about it the Bucs are in a hole right now. But, THAT IS OUR CHALLENGE. Our team has been challenged to get up off the bottom of the pile and get it going. Hey fans we are screaming at our team to play better, let's show them that we are still right there with em. Come to Ray James next week ready for action against the Vikes. Go Bucs!

bucswinitall

10-22-2001, 04:03 PM

Another possible problem with the team is the lack of leadership in the coaching staff. I think that the loss of herman edwards and others has hurt over the long haul. Maybe Tony was only as good as the rest of the staff and is struggling to make up for the lost expertise.

C.Henz

10-22-2001, 05:10 PM

How do I repeat these statements? I am hurting as much as anyone. These games are not huge losses by score but when the Bucs have the #2 toughest schedule in the league, only under Minnesota, I can see from my couch that you have to win at home and split on the road. The Bucs did not win at home yesterday. That is why it hurts. If the Bucs come out on the first drive and drive it down the opponents throat these games would not be losses. I seen Hape working as a blocking back for Denver, what about Yoder blocking for Alstott. I watched two runs that did work for Alstott and then the Bucs went else where and I just don't see why different coordinators can't see this. At least Shula used proper play action when we coould.

TOMDORMINY

10-22-2001, 05:26 PM

CAN ANYBODY SAY 6 AND 10 ? WHERE HAS OUR TEAM GONE ,THAT LOOKED LIKE THE 1976 BUCS AND THEY STILL SUCK. WITH PITTSBURGH BLITZING ON ALMOST EVERY PLAY WHY DIDNT THEY TRY THE DRAW OR TRY THE SCREEN PLAY MORE THAN ONCE ! WILL SAPP EVER GET ANOTHER SACK? DID OUR DEFENSE JUST QUIT OR IS IT A BAD PHASE. I DONT KNOW IF THIS TEAM CAN REGROUP AND FIND THE DESIRE THAT MADE THEM SO BELOVED TO US.SOMEBODY TELL ME THEY CAN!

Biblebeliev'n bucfan

10-22-2001, 05:28 PM

I thought that this was for buc fans all I see is a bunch of Philly fans, your team doesn't play up to it's potential and your ready to dump them, if your not a fan to the end you're NO FAN AT ALL. yes we could use some more heart, but it's not the coach playing, Dungy has done more for the Buc's then any other coach in our history, name another time we've been to the playoffs for 4 straight years, you can't can ya. there is room for improvement, Johnson stands in the pocket like a statue, we need to be a litle more mobile at the QB, I say give King a shot. we also need to do more running, we give up on it way to early, let' pound some with the A-TRAIN, get the other team flat-footed then turn Dunn loose on them. the season is far from over, let's be more optomistic about things. You belly achers need to move to Philly you'll fit right in there.

TOMDORMINY

10-22-2001, 05:39 PM

I SEE A 6 AND 10 TEAM AT BEST IF DUNGY IS ALLOWED TO KEEP CALLING THE SAME PLAYS . THREE O-COORDINATORS IN THREE YEARS YET THE SAME PLAYS ARE BEING CALLED, CAN ANYONE SAY DUNN UP THE MIDDLE? FOR GOD SAKE ON SECOND AND ONE THROW THE **** BALL NOT A 5 YARD DOWN AND OUT TO JACQUEZ . WHEN THERE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE 50 TRY THROWING TO THE END ZONE , HELL YOU MIGHT SURPRISE SOMEONE, AT THE VERY LEAST, EVERYONE IN THE STANDS. OH WELL , WEVE ALWAYS GOT NEXT YEAR!

fit4aking

10-22-2001, 06:34 PM

i predict a very bad season this year. someone needs to wake up and smell the playoffs, because the only way we have a chance of seeing, it is if the ball is held by a king (shawn king that is)

RUSHDOGG

10-22-2001, 06:35 PM

I don't even want to imagine what the season record will be. But I would like to say some things about the way we have been playing. The play calling sucks!! The offensive and defensive line play is horrible. The tackling on defense does not esixt whatsoever. Why are all these players getting injured in games, I'll tell you why because they; are practices in shorts and stuff like that no hitting in practice. And when the game comes around they don't know what it's like. It just goes back to something my Grandmother used to say to me' "**** poor practice, leads to **** poor performance." And we are playing just like what she always said. Get it together are some body has to go starting with the coaches. http://64.159.85.249/ubb/noncgi/mad.gif http://64.159.85.249/ubb/noncgi/redface.gif http://64.159.85.249/ubb/noncgi/confused.gif

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AJ9123

10-22-2001, 06:42 PM

IT'S TIME FOR DUNGY TO GO !

bucEbadger

10-22-2001, 07:28 PM

I may only hope that everybody stays in the same state of mind through the rest of the season. On September 11 nobody really cared about what the score of a football game was. Right before our home opener against Green Bay we learned that the United States Military had started an air attack. Yesterday after the Star Spangled Banner we all held our breath as the military fly-over didn't happen, and then wondered if a new development happened that only one plane came for the fly-over at RJS.

We need to remember that this is only a game-ENTERTAINMENT. The Buccaneers have certainly kept each game interesting, with each game being decided in the final minute. We are not losing in blow-outs like 58-0. The networks must love Tony Dungy because viewers won't tune out early if the score isn't going in favor of their team. We all want to see the Buccaneers win a blow-out 58-0, but that probably isn't going to happen. Maybe they need to put Shawn King in to rest Brad Johnson after he takes several sacks, because we need him to finish up the game in the final minutes. Other positions rotate to stay fresh, and when he is being pounded like yesterday he could use a brief break. Shawn King does not have the talent or experience that Brad has used in the final scoring drives in each play. Could Shawn really convert on 4th down and 17?

Remember that this is entertainment, and there will be another exciting game next week.

May we all stay safe another week.

Buceyed

10-22-2001, 07:57 PM

I can't believe some of the stuff I'm hearing here. Doesn't anyone realize that the "pick to win the superbowl" title makes the Bucs everyone's target? Every game they've played,the other team has been psyched up to beat them. They've given extraordinary effort to win. Look how tired they've been on the field after the game. This year the Bucs will have to play their best game, every game to win. But on top of that they have to contend with the supposed "fans" who seem to have turned into a bunch of rabid dogs out to bloody any player in their path. Think about this, why would the players care about putting everything on the line, every game for such fans? I know I wouldn't. If the team is to make it to it's high expectations this year, then everyone has to do their part and that includes us, the fans. Stop depressing, complaining and harrassing. Support the Buc's like Green Bay supports their team, and we just may see a Superbowl title this year.

bucfanguy

10-22-2001, 08:43 PM

I am 12, and I have to say that my Junior High Football Team played better than the Buccaneers did. It saddened me that they could just as easily be 5-0 if their offense picked it up. At school, I could brag about their defense now I have to hear all the Packers fans talk crap about their Defense to me. Bucs better step it up.

My Predictions: Bucs go 10-6 make playoffs
Warren Sapp gets 9.5 sacks makes Pro Bowl
Keyshawn Johnson gets 1,200 yards receiving and 85 receptions.

Buccaneers do not make Superbowl

Dungy gets fired immediately after the season along with Clyde Christainsen (he sucks)

NEXT SEASON:
whole new team whole new bucs go 12-4 and make it to the Superbowl

P.S. Dungy is the worst coach ever
Derrick Brooks needs to step it up too along with the whole D.

BillM

10-22-2001, 09:08 PM

Well ok bad game. Now we gotta forget it but learn from it and move on to next week.

John Lynch come on baby kick *** .

Hey still a young season let's go Bucs

BillM

10-22-2001, 09:15 PM

ok we need to get over past sunday. Hey Joh Lynch time to get that defense going again come on baby..

Warren GO MAN.....

PhifeDog

10-22-2001, 10:05 PM

Coach Dungy and Rich McKay your coaching experiment with Clyde Christensen has failed miserably. I was very vocal last year when I stated that firing Les Steckel was a huge mistake. Well the chickens have come home to roost. The offense looks pitiful. Our unit was 10x10 more efficient last year with the old playbook. Just compare the stats at this point last year and my assessment proves this point.

Steckels use of the multiple set was far more successful than Coach Clyde's current banshee Pro Set. In the NFL you can't take a Tight Ends coach and convert him to Offensive Coordinator(OC) in one season and expect great things to happen. I know of five college coaches that could have done a better job this year given the same talent. To become a good OC you have to work diligently at your craft which only comes with time and game experience. Your decision to promote from within has definitely back-fired on the club and I think you guys need to face the grim truth. I will support you when your right but admonish you when your wrong about a decision if it adversely effects the team. Even with the acquisition of Brad Johnson the offense looks inept because of Clydes play calling. I thought that was the reason why we bought this guy in here to make veteran decisions and up the level of play of his teamates. Making that 90-yard drive against Tennessee was the second miracle. Other than that rare offensive explosion in the 4th quarter the "O" has looked inept. Our saving grace has been the flashes of brillance from Keyshaun which has effectively kept our offense glued for the last 5 games.

On Sunday we saw the emergence of Frank Murphy. There was so much talk about this guy in training why did we have to wait until the 5th game to take him off the shelf. The guy is a stud. For the remainder of the season I feel this guy should start along side Keyshaun. Let's face it the decade of "smurf" recievers has ended. Besides our offensive schemes emphasize the run first and pass second because of two pro bowl runners in Dunn & Alstott. The "smurfs" can only be effective in a spread offense where you utilize their speed off the wings. We don't run that type offense so why do we have three recievers on the squad that are less than 5'11'. Hmmmmmmmmm, something to think about!!!!

Call in the dogs and let's get this thing untracked before we go 8-8. There's plenty of football season left to recover from our early season misfires in a big way.

Dust off Steckel's old playbook and we may have a fighting chance to turn the ship around!

FOCUS ON EFFICIENCY!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dunn21

10-22-2001, 10:23 PM

after reviewing many game films which i have recorded...one of the many games i watched is the 1999 season compared with the 2001 film and its this simple: its a totally different team out there on defense. if you take away the names and numbers you would not recognize a single player out there judging by his performance. i was watching the divisional playoffs against the redskins...2nd and 10..handoff to davis and he gets BURIED by derrick brooks in the backfield who IMMEDIATELY jumps up and go jack wild along with ALL OF THE REST OF THE DEFENSIVE PLAYERS GOING CRAZY WITH HIM. does anyone see it?? our defense just doesnt have the heart anymore to succeed. we give no effort, thats the problem.

bocaj205

10-22-2001, 10:47 PM

I Think the Bucs can still pull it togethr. But they need to get the offensive line working, that is their major weakness right now. My prediction for the Bucs saeson 11-5 and SUPER BOWL CHAMPS!!!!!!!!!!

jcolyer

10-23-2001, 05:30 PM

amen JBbucfan40 preach it brother!!!!
all you wagon jumpers and fair weather fans should just shut the he11 up. if you don't like the way they play here's a suggestion why don't you put on the jersey? i know, i've said some things about brad but everything i've said is true he sux. but the BUCS can still make the playoffs and maybe the big show if they right the ship and look to admiral KING for guidance.

bucs14fan

10-28-2001, 03:07 PM

YOU PEOPLE SHOULD BE ASHAMED. GET OFF THIS SITE AND GO CALL YOURSELF A RAMS FAN. WE'RE ONLY 2-3 (at the time of this writing its 28-0 Buccaneers at halftime so 3-3) WHERE IS YOUR BUCS SPIRIT? WE'VE PLAYED 5 FREAKIN GAMES OUT OF 16. YOU PEOPLE DISGUST ME.....I'VE HEARD 2-14, 6-10, 7-9??????? COME ON. YOU BRING SHAME TO THE BUCS FANS

RudyRudy888

10-30-2001, 12:53 PM

We should all be thanking Lee Flowers of the Pittsburg Steelers. He is the only person who has motivated the Bucs this season. Tony Dungy has not done it and to me a head coach should be able to motivate his players. Imagine if Jon Gruden was the coach of the Bucs. We would deffinately see more opposing quarterbacks with broken noses. Against the Vikings this week things fell into place. Maybe the coaches actually looked at game film of the other team. The past weeks it always looked as if the other team knew are weeknesses from watching film of us and the Bucs just decided to play Buc ball and not exploit the other teams weekness. I predict the team to go 10-6 with just pure talent. If someone motivates the Bucs we could make the superbowl, if not then Dungy will be fired and a motivating coach will be hired. Dungy show some emotion and start motivating or you might not be here next year. One Last thing, Tod Washington, you got my vote for Kick Returning duties!

NorcalBucsCrew

10-31-2001, 12:01 PM

What's up all-finally made it to the page. Nice to see urgency on offense and intensity on D once again...DB55&JL47, JBbucfan40, rajahbucsguy, etc.had it right- way too early to bail after the PIT game. As frustrating as its been, we've all been here before.I'm sure the ship will be full again after the big win (finally) at Lambeau...
-NBC

[This message has been edited by NorcalBucsCrew (edited 10-31-2001).]

Pewter Power Perez

10-31-2001, 09:33 PM

Tampa finishes 10-6 and second place in the Central. I hope that's enough for a Wild Card. But even if they make it into the playoffs, the seasons been a dissappointment for me. Letting Tyoka Jackson and Chidi Ahanotu go in favor of signing Simeon Rice has proven to be a big mistake. And what the hell is up with the play calling. The offense has proven they can run up the score with either Dunn or Alstott in the backfield. At this stage in the game, consistency should be a given!!!
Dungy better figure out what to do, or else it's time for a change!

Pewter Power Perez

10-31-2001, 09:35 PM

Kjthe3rd

11-20-2001, 12:51 AM

Originally posted by jamescalvinjones:
Are you kidding me? If you think sitting BJ is the answer then you need to learn more about the game. Shaun King is not an NFL caliber QB. If he wasn't on the BUcs he wouldn't even be in the NFL. Brad Johnson can't do anything when he's on his back, and no QB would get out of the sacks our pathetic O line is giving up, not even M. Vick.

What are you talking about. Bring me facts when you talk about Sean King

Are we going to let this season go to hell or are we going to wake up and realize we made a mistake when Brad Johnson was given the QB position without competing with Sean King.
Please play Sean King. Look at the stats!!! Don't tell me about Brad's 63% completion percentage when the offense is ranked 21st. 15th in the red Zone and 20th on 3rd down conversions. (I won't mention that 6 3rd downs have been converted this year b/c of penalties).
Let's compare Mr. King and Mr. Johnson. Mr. Glazer and Mr. McKay if I'm paying a guy $6 Million a year I expect him to be head and shoulders above "Sean King" especially since this guys a 10 year vetran. Brad Johnson has a better completion pct. b/c he doesn't thrown down field (6.4yd avg.) In fact 4 of his 9 touchdowns have been on screens or dump passes. His longest pass is 35 yards (worst in the NFL) you guessed a screen pass. My criticism of the bucs is that they never let Sean throw the ball enough. Brad averages 38 attempts a game (avg YPG 245) while Sean averaged 28 and 199 YPG. The interesting fact is that in the 5 games when Sean threw over 35 x he aveaged 246 YPG and had a QB rating of 91.1 which is higher than Brad's YTD at 83.3. Explain how Keyshawn can have 71 recepts and no touchdowns. How can Brad throw for 399 yards against the Bears and no touchdowns. Hmmm...let me think. The Bucs have played Pittsburg (#1 defense) Green Bay twice (#5 defense) and Dallas (#6 defense). Brad has managed to score 1 TD in each one of those games...oh he score 2 against Green Bay oh excuse me. What do you think is going to happen when we play Chicago (in the cold), Baltimore and New Orleans. Play Sean King there is still TIME! You can't say Tony Dungy is conservative. He gave you gutless TB fans what you wanted 40 Throws a game. Ya boy Brad isn't converting. Threw 8 games Sean had 10 touchdowns and a NFC Player of the week honor to his credit ( All with 100 less passes)With Sean at the helm the Bucs set a franchise record in scoring. So I'll end on this note with this.

I can pay a 10-year vetran $6 Million a year,who isn't mobile, who thows 5 yard passes and has a great completion pct but can't convert in the red zone. Or I can play the guy $600K who has already gotten me to the playoffs twice and the NFC championship. We need a spark and Brad doesn't have it. There is one stat you can't argue with and it superceeds all opinion. Sean King is 14-7 as a starter and thats better than any 2nd year Buc quaterback ever. I WILL BET ANYONE IN TAMPA THAT IF BRAD FINISHES THE YEAR WE WILL NOT EVEN GET TO THE PLAYOFFS!!!!!!!

Kjthe3rd

11-20-2001, 12:56 AM

Shawn King does not have the talent or experience that Brad has used in the final scoring drives in each play. Could Shawn really convert on 4th down and 17?
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He did have a better 3rd down percentage rate than Brad Johnson through 8 games! Don't be stupid. Talk facts not opinions. You Sean King doesn't have the talent. But he went 4-1 as a rookie and his only loss was to the Rams who won the Superbowl. Oh yeah he also beat Brad Johnson head to head in the playoffs that same year. How ignorant can you be!!!!! Then he takes us to the playoffs last year. But tahts not good enogh for you Im sure.

RUSHDOGG

11-20-2001, 06:56 AM

I don't know, I just hope we can turn it around and get some wins. And it would be real nice to make the playoffs after this dismal start.

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NebraskaBuc

11-21-2001, 11:58 PM

Playoffs? I hope not, I would hate to see us get in there and then lose first round.

GermanBucFan

11-22-2001, 03:03 AM

Will be 7-9 or 8-8.
But the world will keep spinnig!

Elite D-lineman

11-23-2001, 01:53 PM

You know I can remember saying the Bucs wouldn't make the playoffs. As usual I was right. That's what happens when you try to change a team's identity. Tampa Bay Buccaneers, Super Bowl champs who? I don't have to update my predictions, because what I predicted (and you guys all said I was a Rams fan because I said it) happened. It's called looking at your team being the victim of implosion. Just like the Ravens this year, just like the Redskins last year. How come I was the only one who saw this coming a mile away? Dungy's gonna be out looking for a job. All these underachievers they brought in, Rice and the 2 Johnsons have had absolutely no positive effects. Sapp's production has dropped, Jones' production has dropped. K.Johnson leads the team in receptions but he doesn't have a touchdown. By some miracle Brad Johnson is still alive, but they don't seem to understand that you don't bring in MVP calibur players to play such a conservative offense. This team is going through complete rebuilding so expect a few losing seasons in years to come. Tough to take, huh? That's what happens when you follow in Daniel Snyder's footsteps.

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