What changes need to be made to make the Bucs Super Bowl contenders in 2002?

[Hot Topic]

Obviously, one very big changes is about to be made, as the Bucs look for a new head coach.

Will that be enough? Are there significant player personnel moves needed? In your opinion, what should those moves be?

[cagiles]

From a dyehard "Cheesehead", you guys need to learn how to have a little more fun playing the game. There's definitely too much politics in the football here.

[Buck_N_A]

How about a Tight End that can Block? A couple of wide reciever that can get open? Key Can't do it all by himself. He played hurt all year and all Brad"pat my Stats" Johnson did was throw to him in traffic. We need another reciever that can get open, Maybe that kid Wyms can do it.

[LynchMob24]

I think what we need is to concentrate on the offensive side of the ball. The defense is sound enough to pass on drafting a bunch of defensive players. First issue has to be another wide receiver that will compliment Keyshawn and can help out Brad. The second issue has to be on the offensive line. This year there were not enough holes opened up in the running game, but plenty opened up in the passing game to allow for way too many sacks. So let's shore up the O-line. And what's up with the tight end position? Two years in a row we have drafted TE's and wound up cutting both of them. How about a little more research during the scouting process? That's my opinion, what we need is offensive help in a big way.

[bucs-metal]

1. Increase wide-receiver threat. Increase roll of Frank Murphy as a deep-threat or acquire WR who's 6'+ and runs like Dunn or Stecker. This would relieve some double-cover on Keyshawn, increase number of deep possibilites and open more options for out-of-the-backfield passes for the RB's.
2. Run RB and/or WR patterns (play action-pass, drag, trailer) which take advantage of more yards-after-catch. Periodically use additional deep-threat WR or newly acquired WR in this scheme to keep opposing defenses off balance.

3. Improve running plays. Recondition O-Line for speed and better leverage on run-blocks, passes and blitzes.

4. Re-introduce Rhino Backfield in the two-WR deep-threat. Use this scheme in screen or 5-yards-or-less situations along with short-pass plays. Keeps LB's guessing.

[he_hate_me]

Run with Alstott and use Dunn like the Rams use Marshall Faulk.Also get a reciever to compliment Key.Keep the D for a few more years and motivate the players to win the super bowl.

[Bettand]

Super Bowl! Super Bowl! Are you kidding me. You saw the way they played out there. Super Bowl!

Sorry, that was the best Jim Mora impersonation I can do.

Right now, my biggest concern are the tampering allegations we will live thru with Parcells pretending not be our new coach. He'll take us to the show, but he'll cost us draft picks. And everything Dungy & McKay tried to create dynasty wise will fall assunder. All because the players thought they were better than the team. This just sucks.

[chaosman]

We need a more consistant offense that will put points on the board. We also need some players that will give 100% the whole game. We need a coach whether it be Parcels or not that will bring some intensity to this team.

[25yearbucsfan]

It is really simple: A wide receiver with speed and an "OFFENSE"

[PhifeDog]

Whatever changes Bill Parcells and the Glazers decide on to transform the current players into Super Bowl winners. This transition thing sucks! I love the Bucs but the way our current ownership has treated this franchise and the city in the last few days makes me want to puke. John McKay is probably turning over in his grave because of this crap. His legacy deserves more and his son deserves more because of the blood and sweat his family have given to our city, fans, and players. All of this because of two impetuous brats claiming they want to win at all cost. You can't buy character and class. The best thing Rich McKay, John Idzik, Ruston Webster, Monte Kiffin, Joe Marciano, Rod Marinelli, Tony Nathan, Chris Foerster and Kevin O'Dea can do for this club is to join Tony and the Polian family in Indianapolis and continue to build a championship club with with character and class. Mr. Polian is a man that knows character and has class. Team Parcells is in control now and you guys deserve better than empty promises. The Bucs are on the verge of a rapid decline because they strayed from Rich's and Tony's original plan. The Parcell philosophy is very different and less compassionate. A very successful plan that brought this team out of mediocrity in the NFC Central just had coffee poured on it. Ownwership sold out and changed the organization development plan by placing immediate gratification and player impatience over buiding a championship team that has only created anarchy among the franchise. Now the house is about to fall like a deck of cards. Joel and Bryan it takes patience and a firm commitment to excellence to build a Super Bowl team and winning a World Championship. After a successful six year track run your family decided to take a page out of the Daniel Snyder management book and turned the city on its ear. I will take a long time to recover from this debacle. I will always be a Buccaneer and support the organization however I plan to travel up north and support my Coach at the next station stop. It's been real!! Really sad it had to end this way! We were so very close until disaster struck in the form of a tuna!!!!

[Shelly7671]

Originally posted by PhifeDog:
Whatever changes Bill Parcells and the Glazers decide on to transform the current players into Super Bowl winners. This transition thing sucks! I love the Bucs but the way our current ownership has treated this franchise and the city in the last few days makes me want to puke. John McKay is probably turning over in his grave because of this crap. His legacy deserves more and his son deserves more because of the blood and sweat his family have given to our city, fans, and players. All of this because of two impetuous brats claiming they want to win at all cost. You can't buy character and class. The best thing Rich McKay, John Idzik, Ruston Webster, Monte Kiffin, Joe Marciano, Rod Marinelli, Tony Nathan, Chris Foerster and Kevin O'Dea can do for this club is to join Tony and the Polian family in Indianapolis and continue to build a championship club with with character and class. Mr. Polian is a man that knows character and has class. Team Parcells is in control now and you guys deserve better than empty promises. The Bucs are on the verge of a rapid decline because they strayed from Rich's and Tony's original plan. The Parcell philosophy is very different and less compassionate. A very successful plan that brought this team out of mediocrity in the NFC Central just had coffee poured on it. Ownwership sold out and changed the organization development plan by placing immediate gratification and player impatience over buiding a championship team that has only created anarchy among the franchise. Now the house is about to fall like a deck of cards. Joel and Bryan it takes patience and a firm commitment to excellence to build a Super Bowl team and winning a World Championship. After a successful six year track run your family decided to take a page out of the Daniel Snyder management book and turned the city on its ear. I will take a long time to recover from this debacle. I will always be a Buccaneer and support the organization however I plan to travel up north and support my Coach at the next station stop. It's been real!! Really sad it had to end this way! We were so very close until disaster struck in the form of a tuna!!!!

WORD!!!!!!!!!

[rubrnek]

Players to replace to better prepare us for a run at the Big Game: Sapp (big mouth who doesn't perform), Dunn (nice guy, but no good with our offensive package), Green (couldn't catch a **** cold), & McDaniel (old and tired). We need alot of work to shore up the offensive line, and our defensive backfield (especially Duncan) really needs to work on reading the opposing teams offensive formations to make better decisions on cutting lanes (we gave up WAY to many yards this season).

Just my $0.02

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Fairweather Fans SUCK!

[RUSHDOGG]

"How about a Tight End that can Block? A couple of wide reciever that can get open? Key Can't do it all by himself."

"use Dunn like the Rams use Marshall Faulk."

"Recondition O-Line for speed and better leverage on run-blocks, passes and blitzes."

These three quotes are the entire reason we could not get any productive offense during the season. It is also the main reason we are sitting at home right now instead of still contending.

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715 HUSTLAS
FOREVER

[bUc_40]

#1- New guys for O line

#2- Another receiver to compliment Key

#3- Blocking TE

#4- Young QB

#5- New MLB


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GO BUCS GO!!!!!!

[Kurt]

Well, now that Parcels is out of the picture, and there's nobody worth buying as a head coach in the NFL, or no one that's worth buying is willing to come to Tampa, let's see what we can do to revamp the Bucs for the 2002 season --

First off, and I think EVERY media personality within eyeshot of this board will agree, Warren Sapp is a loudmouth. Not to say that Keyshawn isn't, but at least he knows there are certain things you just don't say in public. So, first order of business is to shut Warren's fat mouth or cut him altogether.

Second, remove the concrete blocks from Brad Johnson's feet! This might have, in some part, to do with the offensive line not keeping the opposition's defensive line out of the pocket, but you can't put the total blame on them. Simply put, Brad can't move. Is he nervous? Scared? Dumb? Maybe no one truly knows, but I do know that's not Brad's only problem. He's also highly inaccurate outside of a 10-yd. pass. And for you skeptics and fellow Sapps out there, this can be statistically proven. Either use him as a short-route passer or buy him a pair of glasses if you want to use him.

Third, and I can't stress this enough, DON'T RUN DUNN UP THE MIDDLE!! For Christ's sake, he's getting pounded out there. Go back to some of his FSU footage; do you see him constantly getting the ball handed to him up the middle, and them expecting him to bowl through 3 or 4 linemen? I THINK NOT!

Fourth, SHUT SAPP'S MOUTH!! God I hope he reads this...

Fifth, Monte is not God! Don't rely on him to win football games, just let him do what he's paid for -- a juggling act between balancing a good defensive unit and brownnosing Sapp.

Sixth, TE Dave Moore ROCKS!! He has a good completed pass rate, and decent yards for a guy in his situation. Give credit where credit is due.

Seventh, put Mike Alstott in more lineups, and use this man often. He's a powerful pusher when it comes to getting yards in the short run, and he knows how to knock people around too. Use this man as the feature back!

Eighth, SHUT SAPP'S MOUTH!! Slap a "Censored" sticker on his mouth or something...

Ninth, will someone slap Martin Gramatica hard? This guy needs it before he gets too cocky. He does have a reason for the cockiness though -- he's put more points on the board than the offense two years standing...

Tenth. Is there a way we can fire the owners? Malcolm Glazer looks like an Amish reject from Lancaster, PA., and his sons are pantywaists. If they had a clue on how to run a ball club, they would have let Dungy's contract expire to show good heart to any coach willing to take Tampa's hot seat in 2003.

Oh, and Malcolm, please don't use your power of ownership to force the coach into letting your Gazillion-dollar QB and ROOKIE TACKLE Kenyatta Walker get the start of each game. You knew Brad needed more time to get used to how we play football, and Kenyatta would get better experience as a second-string guy.

Not only that, I'm glad the Parcels deal blew up in your face. Maybe, just maybe, it'll teach you not to screw over good people. Rich McKay, I'm sorry you have to work for such scum...

[TUNA is an A**HOLE!]

First and foremost is have the lying Glazers sell the team!

[bucs14fan]

well, i'd like to see us move up in the draft and take Bryan McKinnie from Miami. He's just dominating. i think the draft will be key for us to get a good o-lineman (no im not saying tear the whole line apart) i think we could use another one. maybe a speedy WR too.

[Barber20]

I think we need a speedy WR to open up the middle for Johnson and this new WR will also have to be able to get open down field for possible large gains, I think Brad could chuck some balls down field

[Capt Rick]

Originally posted by Hot Topic:
Obviously, one very big changes is about to be made, as the Bucs look for a new head coach.

Will that be enough? Are there significant player personnel moves needed? In your opinion, what should those moves be?
No we need a coach have you heard the Big Tuna is not coming to Tampa... Bring back Tony hire Norv Turner for the O and get a quarterback that won't lay down in Big games or one that can move and throw a football.and keep the Glazers out of the football operations because as we all seen they don't know squat about coaches fire the best Tampa has ever had and go after an over rated guy that could not even get through the summer heat in Tampa not alone a 4yr contract.See us back at 10 and 6 in what 4 or 5 years.. Then we'll see if there is 30,000 people waiting for season tickets ?

[Capt Rick]

Originally posted by TUNA is an A**HOLE!:
First and foremost is have the lying Glazers sell the team!
I'm with ya lying will get you no place.. see the Glazers just got Glazed No Tuna Ha Ha
We will see if we have 30,000 people waiting for season tickets now...

[bucdaddy3]

Well, first of all, we have to change our direction in our search for a new head coach. Mr. Parcells has decided to stay retired. My opinion on this later.
One change I wouldn't make, is replacing Rich Mckay as GM. He's too valuable to this team. His decision making has been a big part of our success.
We need to make some changes to the offense, and make them quickly. The talent is there. We have promising young players on that side of the ball.We could use a receiver who can complement Keyshawn, one who can be our deep threat, unless Reidel and/or Jacquez really step it up and show us the talent they displayed in college.
We can make a case for almost every position on offense, but you know, maybe a change in philosophy is all that is needed.
All year we were struggling to find an identity. Was it Clyde Christensen going through the pains of being a first year offensive coordinator? Was he being held back by Tony Dungy's conservative approach? Was it the players' inability to execute on a consistent basis? Probably a combination of all three. Regardless, the Glazers realized without a halfway decent offense to complement a great defense, we'll never be able to make a run for the Super Bowl.
We do have a great defense, I just think they succumbed a little to the pressure of having to carry the team, week in and week out.
Lastly, whoever our coach is, he will have my full support.
Buc fans, be patient. 2002 will be a very interesting season. New division, new rivalries, and maybe an offense that won't bore us to tears.

[Rich]

Well the big Tuna snapped the line. Another classless move by Parcells. Hey, if you told us a week ago we might still have Tony!Do us a favor Bill,just go away and don't call us anymore....and while your at it take the Glazed-eyed ones and your buddy Keyshawn with you. I never wanted to see Bill in Red and Pewter anyway.
Something is missing in Tampa...call it respect, dignity, honor...a good man is gone.Tony met so much more to this team than winning seasons--he brought class. He brought as many fans to the organization as did the players. Even people who were not Buc fans held Dungy in high regard. Come back Tony--remember the extension you wanted?we'll double your salary! Unfortunately, it won't happen...
Enough about coaches....just don't bring another Leeman Bennett or Richard (what was his name?).
How do fix the player situation for next year:
Trade both Johnsons (Brad and Wolfgang Buc).What class Dungy brought to the Bucs...Keyshawn at times nearly negates.
Release Anthony and Green (although Green had a nice start to 2000 before Keyshawn started crying for more touches.
Draft O line and receivers with the high draft picks for the Johnsons
Pick up Chris Carter off free agency
Start Little Joe (Hamilton) at qb...more run and gun and less pocket passing
Keep King as backup qp
Hire Craig Ericson as qb coach--I just tossed this one in--we'd have been in the playoff sooner if he had stayed a Buc

Good luck in Indy, Tony. Please don't send us Jim Mora!

[Rich]

Well the big Tuna snapped the line. Another classless move by Parcells. Hey, if you told us a week ago we might still have Tony!Do us a favor Bill,just go away and don't call us anymore....and while your at it take the Glazed-eyed ones and your buddy Keyshawn with you. I never wanted to see Bill in Red and Pewter anyway.
Something is missing in Tampa...call it respect, dignity, honor...a good man is gone.Tony met so much more to this team than winning seasons--he brought class. He brought as many fans to the organization as did the players. Even people who were not Buc fans held Dungy in high regard. Come back Tony--remember the extension you wanted?we'll double your salary! Unfortunately, it won't happen...
Enough about coaches....just don't bring another Leeman Bennett or Richard (what was his name?).
How do fix the player situation for next year:
Trade both Johnsons (Brad and Wolfgang Buc).What class Dungy brought to the Bucs...Keyshawn at times nearly negates.
Release Anthony and Green (although Green had a nice start to 2000 before Keyshawn started crying for more touches.
Draft O line and receivers with the high draft picks for the Johnsons
Pick up Chris Carter off free agency
Start Little Joe (Hamilton) at qb...more run and gun and less pocket passing
Keep King as backup qp
Hire Craig Ericson as qb coach--I just tossed this one in--we'd have been in the playoff sooner if he had stayed a Buc

Good luck in Indy, Tony. Please don't send us Jim Mora!

[Buck_N_A]

TFF!!!! I just read that Parcells renegged on his deal. Wonder what the 'Glazers Boys" are doing now? I'm too busy LMAO to type anymore!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[bucdaddy3]

Before we all start blaming the Glazers for Bill Parcells' rejection, and calling them liars, let's assume they talked directly with his agent first, which is normal protocol.
Now I'm speculating here. Parcells' agent may have told the Glazers that he, Bill Parcells, may have an interest in returning to coaching. As an owner, looking to make a change, what would you do? Sit back and do nothing?
Bill Parcells didn't do anything to confirm or deny any interest. In the business of professional sports, you strike while the iron is hot. No disrespect to Coach Dungy, but all of us, not just the Glazers were getting weary of watching an offense playing "not to lose", and getting knocked out of the playoffs 3 straight years because of it.
Sports agents, most of them anyway, will do anything to get their client's name out there. Say what the owners and GM's want to hear.
The blame should first be directed at Bill and his agent.
I'm giving the Glazers the benefit of the doubt. I think they're smarter than what we give them credit for. Also remember, Rich McKay was involved in this process, too, and I'm sure Joel and Brian leaned on his expertise.
All three of those guys want to see a Super Bowl trophy being displayed right here at home.
I'm deferring any criticism until I see the final result of this coaching search. Even then, I'll use caution before making any comments.
Did we forget our reaction when Tony Dungy was hired in 1996? I think everyone said, "Who in the world is Tony Dungy?" He wasn't even the Glazers' first choice.
All I'm going to say right now is, Go Bucs! Let's get 2002 started.

[ALASKABUC]

SUPERBOWL??? How in the world are we going to win any game next year?? Now that the Glazers have totally PHUCKED this team I don't see any hope for the near future. Any ideas for a head coach? I hear Denny Green is looking for a Bay area job. Tampa maybe? Mother Glazer, did you have any smart children?

[tampabaybucfan]

The decision to fire Dungy was a good one. Yes, he brought class and wins but we were stuck on scrambling to win a wild card birth. Next year...it would stay the same.
The game plan made our players look bad. Our opponents knew exactly what we were going to do. A new coach will put some excitement and mystery into our offense.
We need another wide receiver who can get open.Everytime Brad throws downfield, the receivers are covered.
We should try to get TE Shockey from Miami in the draft. He is a TE we wouldn't cut like the draft picks from the last two years.
Our defense is tired of being put in a position to save the game...and I think 9-7,3 losses at home and another pounding in the playoffs by Philadelphia will quiet Warren down a bit.
I would rather miss the playoffs going down swinging than continue the impotence we displayed the last couple of years on offense.

[rumchaser]

Trade/cut Brad Johnson. Nothing personal, but he's not earning the money he's getting. King has sat for a year learning from this vet, now give him a chance. Also, let Hamilton get some snaps. Neither has had a chance to throw to Key on a regular basis. What would Brad's stats look like without Mr. 6'4? Also, replace McDaniel and get a good backup for Cristy. Make Alstott/Cook your run package and see what other teams will give up for Dunn (possibly a WR). Pick up Az Hakim in the FA market. Keep Quezzy for punt/ kickoff returns and a deep threat...I think he'll put more heart in to the game if BJ is out of there. While we're at it, draft Lelie from Hawaii so Shaun can have some serious targets. On defense, draft a CB. Start Donnie over Brian Kelly (they are both pretty darn good). Blitz! If Warren doesn't get double teamed, he will give Straihand a run for his money. Also, get a run stuffer that weighs 400 pounds and throw him right over the center to stop anything coming up the middle. That's right, a five-man front. With talented DBs, it can be done. Finally, find a coach the players like, because I know their is a lot of bad vibes right now between players and the front office, and for good reason.

[skillet68]

DEFINITLY DO SOMETHING FAST WITH OFFENSE. THAT'S OUR BIGGEST PROBLEM. I HONESTLY THINK GETTING RID OF TONY WAS THE BIGGEST MISTAKE EVER!!!!!!! TONY DID A LOT FOR THIS TEAM AND BROUGHT THEM A LONG WAY. AS FOR YOU"HATER" ON SAPP. DON'T HATE,PARTICIAPTE!!! WHEN YOU HAVE ALL THE PLAYERS DOUBLE TEAMING HIM, HOW CAN HE BACK UP HIS MOUTH!!! I THINK TAMPA NEEDS TO GIVE KING ANOTHER SHOT TOO. JOHNSON IS STARTING TO LOOK LIKE DILFER AND WE ALL KNOW WHAT DILFER DIDN'T DO FOR THE TEAM..."LOSER".....LOL
AND THAT'S MY .14 CENTS WORTH!!!!!!!!!11

[rubrnek]

I know this is not related, but todays posted question is "Who was the most valuable player during Coach Dungy tenure?". These **** polls are way to easy to manipulate, as they allow you to vote as many times as you want. Some horses-*** has voted Shaun King up to 59% of the total vote! That is rediculous! King was only the quarterback for 1.5 seasons, and he sucked! Cut the crap!

[Kurt]

Umm, sorry pal, but your point of Sapp getting double-teamed is moot, null, and void. Most Defensive Tackles worth their weight in the NFL are getting double- and triple-teamed. Let me give some examples --


Here are the sack leaders in the NFL this season (2001) -- **THESE PEOPLE GET DOUBLE AND TRIPLE TEAMED ON A WEEKLY BASIS ON THE FIELD**

Player/ Team/ Sacks/ Tac
Michael Strahan/ NYG/ 22.5/ 60
Peter Boulware/ BAL/ 15/ 43
Leonard Little/ STL/ 14.5/ 28
Charlie Clemons/ NO/ 13.5/ 75
Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila/ GB/ 13.5/ 18
John Abraham/ NYJ/ 13/ 53
Marcellus Wiley/ SD/ 13/ 38
Jamir Miller/ CLE/ 13/ 81
Patrick Kerney/ ATL/ 12/ 38
Jason Gildon/ PIT/ 12/ 43
John Randle/ SEA/ 11/ 26
Simeon Rice/ TB/ 11/ 39
Robert Porcher/ DET/ 11/ 43
Tony Brackens/ JAC/ 11/ 40
Rosevelt Colvin/ CHI/ 10.5/ 59
Jevon Kearse/ TEN/ 10/ 25
Raylee Johnson/ SD/ 9.5/ 28
Hugh Douglas/ PHI/ 9.5/ 39
Mike Rucker/ CAR/ 9/ 43
Grant Wistrom/ STL/ 9/ 44
Kendrell Bell/ PIT/ 9/ 71
Jason Taylor/ MIA/ 9/ 48
Phillip Daniels/ CHI/ 9/ 44
Reinard Wilson/ CIN/ 9/ 28
Joe Johnson/ NO/ 9/ 53

Am I blind, or is Warren's name not in that list at all? Seems to me like I can see Simeon Rice's name clearly, yet Mr. Pro Bowler Sapp isn't in there. Why is that? Can you answer that?

Maybe I can. First off, the Pro Bowl players are selected by fans early on in the season. If anyone paid attention when Sapp said on NATIONAL TV "I don't care about the fan in the 300 section or anywhere else in the stands, I'm here to play for me", it's my opinion they wouldn't have voted for him.

Second, if the average fan were even mildly intelligent (not insulting anyone here), they would have seen early on that Simeon Rice was an all-out producer this year. Oh, and BTW, Simeon Rice IS IN THE LIST.

I think that Sapp focuses too heavily on the sack, so much that he effectively takes himself out of play on a run or a play-action. His inability to get inside the pocket can be effectively attributed to his weight loss in the 2000 postseason. He got lighter, he lost his edge for pushing into the offensive line and getting the penetration.

Even more than that, and his biggest problem is that he's a loudmouth. Say it with me; L-O-U-D-M-O-U-T-H. He doesn't know when to shup up, and he has no reserve or tact when he talks to someone. He had that problem coming out of Miami, but we ignored it because he was producing. The only reason it's coming into the public eye now is that he hasn't done much in two years, but he's still trash talking like he's got 11 or 12 sacks, when in reality he's in the single-digit range.

When you call me a Sapp-hater, I am offended. I don't hate, I realized his problem long ago, along with very few others around here, and just waited for the real Sapp to surface.

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[Maria]

Our Bucs need a coach & new owner desperately!! Jimmy Johnson where are you? And why did we let Spurrier get away?

[Kurt]

Let me answer this before anyone else can.

New Coach -- Well, that's a given.

New owners -- Read this entire thread. Lots of people agree with you there. The Glazers wouldn't though; they've netted almost $600 million off this team in 7 years! They're not giving that up unless we can't find a coach. And guess what ladies and gents? If we don't find a coach that can produce and slap Sapp around a bit, we're going to get bought by someone who already owns a team, and we will lose the bucs for good.

Jimmy Johnson -- went the way of Parcels: Retired, not coming back.

Spurrier -- the IDIOT owners (Glazers) let him go 'cause they had planned on Parcels to come over. If they were smart, they would've held out and kept Spurrier on the side, convincing him not to commit until Parcels was confirmed to come or not. This is where the Glazer family shows their total incompetence in owning and managing the affairs of a pro football team.

Hope that clears it up for you.

[CCCBABIES]

WHAT SHOULD BE DONE AND NEEDS TO BE DONE IS FOR THE OWNERS TO GET DOWN ON THEIR HANDS AND KNEES AND BEG DUNGY TO COME BACK. SHAME ON THEM.

[tbdevilrays]

i agree with the above, the only thing this team needs is tony back

[fletch0120]

I think they need to try and get jon gruden from oakland. he still has a year on his contract but that could proboly be bought out of corse it would happen after the raiders get knock out of the playoffs

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Rich

[Gutterman]

21-17
Halftime score that should have been had a former quarterback given his quarterback the ball and made him earn his keep.
Unfortunately the Bucs have now put themselves in a corner from which there is no return. The best available coach at this point is ....TONY DUNGY. Which means all of us, Dungy included, need to shut up and learn how to walk the walk.
The Buccaneers already are Superbowl contenders. We have HAD the defense and a good enough offense to win the big one for five straight seasons. But Dungy has refused to ever go long and out on turnovers.
The instances of this failure are too great and numerous to list. However, even from the mid-section of America - Nebraska- we can see that anytime the Buccaneers reach the opponent's 30-yard line, they'll settle for three.
And if we can see that trend from Nebraska, how difficult can it be for NFC Central opponents to see it from their offices? Or for anyone else in the NFL?
I wish the Bucs would have given Keyshawn the **** ball in the red zone, we'd be coming off a Bye Week for the third straight season instead of sitting at home saying, "coulda, shoulda, woulda".
Unfortunately, the Bucs have no where to go but down, and both the Glazers and Dungy will be saying, "What did I do?"

[cowboy0502]

Obviously the biggest change is needed in the offense. We need a deep threat. The defenses can can key on the running game and the only weapon is short passes by Brad Johnson. Does Brad have a "big league" arm?
Its hard to say. It wasn't evident in the Phillie game. Seems anytime he went deep it was intercepted. We also need a real running back. Dunn isn't the answer and Alstott looks like a good 6-700 yard back. We need a Curtis Martin type back who can rush 1200-1500 yards a year and give the quarter back some breathing room. I think the offensive line will improve. There was a rookie starting in the tough left guard spot. It was real OJT for him.

[Lee Roy Selmon1979-84]

Hey Bettand


That Jim Mora impersonation was good stuff


Forget Milk, Got Coach?

[RebaMiss]

I think the decision to cut Tony loose was absolutely the worst. I know, I know about the playoff stats etc. But lets not forget folks we fans couldn't even say the "P" word before Tony now, we are not satisfied with that, not enough to be patient. Parcells was the end all to be all and ooops surprise once again he backs out leaving the Glazers with their pants down around their ankles. We will be fortunate if we can even say the "P" word again forget the "S" word. I think the Glazers should run (not walk) on their hands and knees to Tony and apologize and make a major comitment. Tony is a class act and reasonable otherwise we can kiss our behinds good bye next season. Poor Rich McKay having to clean up the mess he didn't even want to begin with. I wish the Tampa Bay community could buy the Bucs and FIRE the Glazers.

[NFLBUCSROCK]

Ofcourse, an awesome, tough and hard head coach and an offensive line!

[OL' BUC]

Maybe new owners would be best for the team it all starts at the top! I dont know the inside story but it seems like Mr. Glazer has lost face, I cant help but wonder if they would have commited to Dungy earlier would the team have been more effective? Champion's are built on character!

[Cook for Fullback]

Upgrade at MLB, TE, WR, and the entire O-line. Oh, and a coach who enjoys scoring touchdowns.

[THEFOOTBALLPIRATE]

The Bucs need a coach who is less conservative on offense.I hear all this talk about geeting Gruden but I think our best best is Norv Turner and promoting Monti Kiffin to Assistant Head Coach.We need coolective leadership on both sides of the ball. We need a Pass catching tight end and a game breaking reciever also.

[Night_Wolf]

Okay, I have some list:

1. The Bucs will need to hire new coach that I prefer offensive coordinator like Norv Turner, Sam Wyche, Jerry Glanville, Dennis Green or etc since the Bucs desperate to improve its offense in hurry.

2. They need to hire Offensive Coordinator while they reassign Clyde to qb coach or Te coach. Of course, I don't want any conversative offensive since almost of all key offensive players suit for high octane offense like Jacquez Green, Reidel Anthony, Warrick Dunn, or etc.

3. I believe Dunn should be traded while Mike Alstott will be feature back as well as they don't involve him into passing game because he has fumble problems which he lost 3 fumbles from receiving; otherwise, they can limit his roles for recieving or make him to improve to hold a ball better while he catch the balls. Also, Jamal Cook will be FB starter.

4. Oh yes, the Bucs will need to keep almost of all defensive staffs as long as they can while they will need to rebuild offensive staffs more effectively than Dungy did for the Bucs in the last of 6 years. I don't know about Special Team coach which you can tell me since I didn't pay attention to special team very often.

5. The Bucs will need to resign some players to keep as long as they don't demand ridiculous amount of dollars that they don't deserve like Jerry Wunsch did last year.

6. New OC must make his decision for his offense plan, but new head coach will not involve like Dungy would. I prefer to use I- Formation since the Bucs has 3 Running Backs that has more than 210 pounds: Alstott, Stecker, and Rahib which they may fit for I-Formation. Also, I like to use 3 or 4 receiver at one time since Bucs have medicore tight ends, so I believe that the Bucs will need to rely on 3 or 4 reciever for passing game except goalline or 3rd down and short whereas Moore almost always to be effectively to catch the balls.

6. The NFL Draft Day 2002. I think the Bucs will need to improve offensive linemen, tight ends, quarterbacks, maybe running backs, and linebackers. Also, they will need depth at defensive backfields which I suspect that they have thin depth at db this year since they will need 5 or 6 db for Nickel or Dime defense when they play against high octane offense like St. Louis.

7. The Bucs will need to sign a couple or three free agents, but they don't need to sign luxury contract like Siemon Rice did last year. In contrast, Olin Kruetz and Benji Olson will be free agents this year that's where I want to see the Bucs to sign them since they are young like 24 or 25 years old, but I believe Chicago will resign Olin at any cost. Of course, Olin and Benji will vast improve the Bucs offensive linemen.

That's all. Anyway, I also thought about Art Shells to become head coach for Bucs since he deserve a shot.

[SCHWAM]

1)Completely overhaul the offensive philosophy.. It's easy to defend against the pass when you know your opponent must pass to come back. (example: wildcard at Eagles...Brad Johnson is a sub-par quarteback but the play-calling was responsible for 3 of the 4 picks) Challenge your offense to win the game. Don't just send them high school plays hoping they won't lose it.

2)Get a play maker behind center. You must have a guy that can make something out of nothing.

3)THROW THE BALL DOWFIELD BEFORE YOU HAVE TO CALL THE HAIL MARY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!MY GRANDMA COULD COACH A DEFENSE TO STOP A TEAM THAT HAS TO PASS AND HAS BEEN RUNNING ALL GAME!

There is no way this team should not be in the final round of the playoffs. Make no mistake, the play calling is 90% responsible.

[krista48030]

I agree with the rest of the world beg tony to come back

[krista48030]

to continue we NEED and WANT tony!!!!!!!!! he is nesessary to this team this is the first time in recent history (the last 6 years) that bucs fans have been able to hold their heads high and be proud of our team and it has alot to do with tony the Glazers made a choice a STUPID choice but a choice none the less. now we must make a choice to continue to back our team suport them in these tuff times and look forward to a new season. It will not be easy without tony on the side lines and he will be missed,but buc up our team will peveil. on a diffrent note goodbye brad and hello shuan KING

[aturrall]

The Bucs don't need much. Tony and Rich did a great job in building a strong foundation, but it seemed last year we lost the identity of being a team. Should have seen it comming when Warren Sapp challenged Gasteneau's sack record...here is what I think we need:

First, Warren Sapp to gain some weight and lose his vocal chords. For someone that lost weight to become faster and healthier, he sure looked tired and rundown.

Second, a less predictable offense...included in this would be a tall fast receiver that we don't mind throwing some deep balls to...I don't know who in the draft meets this, but someone like Chambers or Freddie Mitchell from last years draft. And for the love of god beef up the O-Line...with Brad Johnson's MO, I was surprised he remained healthy for the entire season.

Finally, mix in some blitz packages more often.

[Boss302]

How about putting STECKER in as the running back with ALLSTOTT. Stecker has the quick change gears and steering just like DUNN but in a bigger package. He showed us he can make the defense miss him on those kickoff returns! And keep COOK in as the blocking back for both ALLSTOTT and STECKER with tightends who can block better on the run. Originally posted by Hot Topic:
Obviously, one very big changes is about to be made, as the Bucs look for a new head coach.

Will that be enough? Are there significant player personnel moves needed? In your opinion, what should those moves be?

[britishbucsfan]

I think the offense needs the most work because compared to the deffense it has been neglected. Also perhaps someone to complement keyshawn johnson. I do not know about the QB situation even though the stats are slightly better we had a better season with king (10-6).In the end though we still got no further than the wild card weekend with both QBs.

[bucs14fan]

Originally posted by LynchMob24:
I think what we need is to concentrate on the offensive side of the ball. The defense is sound enough to pass on drafting a bunch of defensive players. First issue has to be another wide receiver that will compliment Keyshawn and can help out Brad. The second issue has to be on the offensive line. This year there were not enough holes opened up in the running game, but plenty opened up in the passing game to allow for way too many sacks. So let's shore up the O-line. And what's up with the tight end position? Two years in a row we have drafted TE's and wound up cutting both of them. How about a little more research during the scouting process? That's my opinion, what we need is offensive help in a big way.

i agree. altough Brooks was injured, and Sapp and Lynch played i would say not as well as i think they will this year, we were still a top 5 defense. i think we need another wide reicever, not someone like Rod Smith or Marvin Harrison, just someone who can get open and catch a few balls, i think we should try to get Marcus Robinson from the Bears. he's a deep threat, which we dont have any of right now, and he can catch balls, unlike Green. he's not expensive either. we need to upgrade our defensive line, although the young guys like Walker were improving as the season goes on, we still to a better line. Dave Moore does fine, we dont need Tony Gonzalez to complete. maybe plays with Dunn alone in the backfield, and use him like Marshall Faulk. i think the two players we should target in the draft are Marquis Walker out of Michigan (when you watch him play he reminds me of Randy Moss) and Josh Reed from LSU, noth are great wide recievers. we're fine at QB, Johnsons not a scrambler, so what? he's a very accurate passer and he DOES have good arm strengh, we just dont use it.

[Pewter Power Perez]

See if Tuna's really gonna stay retired or just waiting for the Hall of Fame vote. If he's out of the picture, pursue a John Gruden or a Mike Shanahan in Denver, someone who'll crack the whip! He's got to come up with an offense that takes advantage of the personnel currently on the roster. There's no way you can just restructure an offense or defense in a hurry (unless you play in St. Louis). AFTER that, you go after a young (3-5 years in the league, NO ROOKIES/K. WALKER) Left Guard to take Randal McDaniels spot. He's a great player, but his best days are behind him and with Brad Johnson under center, you need fresh legs on the offensive line. Lastly, you either acquire through trade a reciever who can seperate from the DB and is taller than 5'11". Preferrably you get a guy with 2 or 3 years in the league. If that's not possible, move up to take one of the featured recievers in the draft.
If you can do that, then maybe look to the future for a TALL, young Quarterback to take over...

[#1lynchfan]

I agree with Lynchmob. Forget the defense this draft year. In fact, there are some reserves who would be good carrots to dangle in front of some gm's for a reciever. Schroeder will be escorted out of Green Bay. Grab him. He can stretch the field. They say he can't run the right pattern. Well, tell him to go deep! He can't screw that up. See if the Chargers would part with Tim Dwight or trade up for a reciever in the draft. That is the key to next season.

[#1lynchfan]

Yes, the woman said it best. Maria said where is Jimmy Johnson. He should be on the next plane to Tampa. Give him the GM too. He has proven he can do it. He can build an offense, sustain a defense, and draft talent. He drafts track stars and turns them into athletes and recievers and kick returners.

[bucs fan since 76]

The cities of Tampa and St. Pete should buy the Bucs, get rid of the F'in Glazers and hire a general manager ( Bill Walsh ) to run the team for the Bay area. It works for Green Bay. Why not Tampa Bay?
Oh,sorry...back to reality. An OFFENSIVE LINE & a WR or two would be a start.

[JimmyC]

Either a WR or a TE that can catch are are threates. Shockey or Walker in the draft maybe.

[BucCrzy]

LIKE I SAID IN EARLIER TOPIC
what we need is a Coach who will put everything in perspective and take control.
The defense under the guiding of Monte Kiffin is still one of the best in the NFL what we need is An offense that will open up the game more and not to rely on our defense to carry the load Yes defense does help win games But we need an Offense that willl score points.
Not and offense that get 10-21 a game with just a runn orientated game we need some down field threats to help out Keyshawn.
What the Bucs orginazation should do is get Jon Gruden and give up a dradft choice in the first and second rounds or cassh and let Gruden get some Veteran recievers From the free agency market and let him turn the offense into one of the Lethal offenses in the NFL, look what he did with the Raiders the could have gone all the way but becuase of a screwed up overturn in the Patriots game the lost but look at what hes done.
Bring gruden here nad hell set the tempo and then we get The leadership we need not from just the players
GOOOOOOOOOOOO BUCSSSSSSSSSSSSS 2002

[ThaExorcist]

What Tampa needs to do is this:

Find a quick reciever to help Keyshawn. Michael Westbrook is a free agent, and hes one of the fastest in the game. And I here theres a great WR from Michigan in the draft this season, go for him.

For the running game, I think we have to agree that Warrick Dunn doesnt fit the CURRENT Tampa offense. "Buc Ball" is a game that is defense, defense, defense, running game, running game, running game. Dunn cant get it done. What they need to do is trade Warrick, and get a Tight End or Receiever. The Jamiel Cook/Mike Alstott setting is perfect.

As far as Brad Johnson goes, let him finish his contract and get a new quarterback. He's all about his stats, his so called, "3rd best accuracy percentage in NFL history." That doesnt matter. Winning games is what matters. Even if you win ugly, you get wins. Look at the Ravens, they won ugly every week of the 2000-2001 season and got a Super Bowl.

One last thing, fix that offensive line. Randall McDaniel is done. Draft a 1st-2nd round guard and get it going.

With a few other changes, like getting the man, Norv Turner to come to Tampa, I think we'll be celebrating a Super Bowl.

[AlstottDaMan]

Originally posted by he_hate_me:
Run with Alstott and use Dunn like the Rams use Marshall Faulk.Also get a reciever to compliment Key.Keep the D for a few more years and motivate the players to win the super bowl.

I agree with you. With Alstott as the featured back, you can almost guarentee us to win. He is the heart and soul of our offense. Give Alstott the ball more than 20 times a game we'll win. With Jameel Cook as a blocker, Alstott can be unstoppable. We also need to get bigger recievers. And, as mentioned, use Dunn as more of a reciever, cause when he's out in the open, there's no way in hell anyone can catch him. He's fast as lightning. God I wish I was the coach for a game. GO BUCS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[fatnuts1031]

tony dungy is not the answer

[fatnuts1031]

tony dungy did not build the team as we know it sam wyche did!!!
dungy was an equal opp pick and did nothing to bring the bucs forward.
he got in on a great team on the upswing and rode it for all it was worth.

look at his record against the better teams in the nfl the pack and the vikes and st louis.

he rarely beat the elite teams.

his offensive mindset sucked.
and he is too busy trying to be friends to the players instead of their coach.

sapp needs to check his attitude and get in the weight room and get in shape.

alstot needs the ball more often its simple when he gets touches the bucs win.
te is not the problem the o-line is.
johnson needs to work from now to next august and get used to his personel

[randem]

1) Most important upgrade: offensive line. Blocking is pathetic. They can't even keep the defense off of the QB, nevermind the fact that they're not blocking for the runners. Thanks for miracles we have a guy like Alstott who can make something in spite of not getting any blocks. But without a McNabb or Favre at QB, they're going to need to keep the mob off of Brad's heels so he can pass the ball.

Answer: emphasized offensive line and blocking drills with a tough coach/trainer.

2) Keyshawn can't do it alone. Jaquez Green hardly even finishes his routes, and doesn't work for the ball. Karl Williams can be a good receiver, but he's easily injured so we can't count on him.

Answer: bring in another good receiver... we need an Isaac Bruce or someone like that.

3) The current playbook is crap. All the plays look the same. There's nothing in there that's designed to stretch the field, it's too dependant on screens and crossing-routes, not to mention all the runs. The running plays need to be re-designed to add a little blocking. Watch the Rams, and see why Faulk gets so many yards... yes, he's good, but he's getting a LOT of blocks.

Answer: 100% brand new playbook.

4) Why isn't Dunn returning kicks? He barely gets down the field on these stupid screen passes, but he can always break tackles in the open field. Let Williams be a receiver, let Stecker be a running back, and have Dunn return kicks and punts, with occasional appearances as a wide-out, not as a running back.

Answer: put the right guys in the right places.

5) Reward the hard workers and stop kissing up to guys like Sapp. Nobody ever mentions Dave Moore, but he's been far more productive this year than Sapp. I want to see Moore jersey's in Walmart, and Sapp on the bench. When people are rewarded for hard work, they work hard. If there's no penalty for having nothing more than a loud mouth, why try hard? If the game in Philly was playing for the coach's job, I'd hate to see how they play if they DON'T like the coach.

Answer: give them some incentive to work hard.

6) Shut the media up. Find a way to control the cameras and interviewers and so on. The media ruined Dilfer, but since leaving here, he's undefeated in his last 20 games. Too much controversy, too much talk, too much stress... remember when football was a game? It's supposed to be fun. Watch Favre or McNabb... those guys are enjoying themselves.

Answer: cut some of the players' radio shows, offer less interviews, concentrate on the game.

[This message has been edited by randem (edited 01-27-2002).]

[JasperCrowTbfan44]

Why do you all attack warrick dunn like hes nothing hes a good fast running back who was injured all season long when he gets healthy he will be as good as any other player on the team and use him to catch like the rams use marshall i tihnk what the team needs is a COACH FIRST then look on t,o the draft

[rferguson]

First of all, dont resign Warrick Dunn, or if you do use him as a receiving down back. Run with the combination that worked for the Bucs all year....Alstott and Jameel Cook. Second, Find a a receiver that can stretch the field and compliment Keyshawn. Third Find some O-Linemen that will block, they arent all bad:Jeff Christy still has some games in him Kenyatta Walker will be better this coming year, and Jerry Wunsch is good too, Mainly find some big Guards. Fourth, even though I like Brad Johnson, get rid of him, he is too old and holds the ball too long, the bucs offense was a lot better with the young, mobile Shaun King. yes Brad set records with completion percentage and all but Shaun King got the Bucs in the end zone. Defense is sound enough to win games if they can keep their heads and not give up the big play as they did quite atypically this year. They were great all game long except for a few big plays that cost the game in a couple occasions.

[bjbdlb]

We need a coach who believes that the season is 16 games and that they are all important.

A coach who does not consider 10-6 to be a good record.

A coach who believes in going for touchdowns, and not always settling for fieldgoals.

A pass defense.

A passing game.

To play like a team, rather than as a group of egos not working together.

HEART

[bjbdlb]

"And why did we let Spurrier get away?"


Who says we ever even had a chance at Spurrier? He signed with the Redskins before we were even out of the playoffs. We still had Dungy. Remember the rumors were that Spurrier was coming to Tampa, and Dungy was going to the Vikings, unless we kept Dungy, then Spurrier was off to Minn. Now lets review:

Before Dungy was fired Spurrier signed with the Redskins, in a deal which was probably in the works before he even left UF.

Before Dungy was fired, the Vikings had their head coach hired.

Dungy wound up with the Colts. So much for the rumors.

Also in defense of the Glazers, when Dungy was fired, and the Parcells rumors were rampant, the Glazers were considered to be the most evil people in the world for talking to anyone, while they still had Dungy. Once Parcells fell through, they become the biggest idiots ever for firing Dungy, without having his replacement firmed up.

Make up your minds people; either you support negotiating before the firing, or you support waiting until after. You can't have it both ways.

[shorty44]

i think that tampa should make deveolp the running game and passing game and work on teh passing rushing game

[Lyncher47bucs]

Play Wynn and Howell and replace Green and anthony with a fast reciever who actually likes to play.

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The Man, the Myth, the Legend.......
ALL WORLD TONY GONZALEZ.

[kelly22]

the changes that i see that need to be made is lynch needs to throw the ball down the feild the . no more short passes please. i also think that if the offence gave lynch more time he could get some good passes off. i love waren sapp just as much as the next buc fan but he needs to step up and be the leader that he's paid to be. rice should just continue to do his thing and the time will be in the be in the big show next year.

GO BUCS

[LifesAir~TB]

ok lynch is a defensive back not a quarter back dude,... Any way i think we need to free up some cap room for signing free agents such as ricky williams and cris carter if we wanna not just compete for but be the super bowl champs for next year.. i mean could u imagine having ricky williams and mike allstat in the same running game and keyshawn johnson and cris carter as ur recievers... man if that happens the bucs would completely dominate in the nfl

[cwclry]

the defense is good, but they tinker with it too much year to year, leave the defense alone this year, offensive line definately needs to be upgraded, i really dont think firing dungy was a step in the right direction, i am just wondering if that destroyed their defense completely, they should of kept dungy and gotten norv turner in as the offensive coordinator, and let him invent a new offense, but right now the bucs make the lions look like geniuses. i dont own the team, so its not me looking like the donkey

[Buctown]

The Bucs' immediate needs:

1. A sure-handed burner at wide receiver.
2. More consistent production from tight end position.
3. A powerful offensive tackle.
4. Solid play at middle linebacker.
5. A better punter who can also provide deep kick-offs.

1. The draft would be a good place to look for a quality wide receiver. Other considerations - Quadry Ismael/The Missile; Johnnie Morton; Sanders (from the Titans).

2. Dave Moore is o.k., but needs a career-high season. A good 49er-like tight end would be Tony Gonzalez (not realistic about this chance of getting him) or an O.J. Santiago (from the Falcons, or even a Mitchell Wiggins (from Pats).

3. Sky is wide open on this one. Whoever it is has to be able to play with current O-linemen.

4. Either of the Bucs current middle linebacker can get the job done (Quarels, Webster, Duncan). Whoever it is has to want it very badly b/c this position requires a little extra zeal, especially when the Bucs play feature backs like Faulk, Bettis, Ahman Green, Stephen Davis.

5. I'm open to any suggestions on this one. Grammatica can't consistently do deep kickoffs, especially when the team is asking him to be automatica within 50 yards of the goal post![/B][/QUOTE]

[bucdiva18]

The bucs need to play as a team and enjoy what they're doing. If they played as good as they ran their mouths (not naming anyone... okay SAPP) maybe they'd have a good chance to make the superbowl!!

[marvinthemartian]

Perhaps getting out of the division with Atlanta would be the best thing you guys could do to improve your chances....(sorry, couldnt resist..)

[elroy]

The biggest change has been done - an offensive minded coach - Gruden. Now all they need is a fast wide receiver (Westbrook anyone?) We could also use a young guard for when McDaniel becomes even more useless.

[TimBucs2]

First we need an offense, that'd be nice, no but seriously, we need another GOOD receiver to compliment keyshawn, and we need to convince brad that he can throw the ball under pressure. Our o-line finally showed up in the last few games (finaally, but a little late to save the season) and last but not least, we need to play alstott more and run him thru some holes, send dunn up the sideline (anyone notice that dunn scores td's when he dances the white line?) Thank God the Glazers finally made a intelligent decision in picking Gruden, he can take us places! (oh, and buy some duct tape to put around Sapp's mouth)
GO BUCS SUPERBOWL XXXVII !!!!!!!!!!!

[#1bucfan#1]

OK gentlemen. We are gonna have to accomplish one thing. We are gonna have to throw the ball more than ten yards every pass play or we will never get our running game in gear. Any suggestions?

[beyond3x]

Originally posted by bucs14fan:
i agree. altough Brooks was injured, and Sapp and Lynch played i would say not as well as i think they will this year, we were still a top 5 defense. i think we need another wide reicever, not someone like Rod Smith or Marvin Harrison, just someone who can get open and catch a few balls, i think we should try to get Marcus Robinson from the Bears. he's a deep threat, which we dont have any of right now, and he can catch balls, unlike Green. he's not expensive either. we need to upgrade our defensive line, although the young guys like Walker were improving as the season goes on, we still to a better line. Dave Moore does fine, we dont need Tony Gonzalez to complete. maybe plays with Dunn alone in the backfield, and use him like Marshall Faulk. i think the two players we should target in the draft are Marquis Walker out of Michigan (when you watch him play he reminds me of Randy Moss) and Josh Reed from LSU, noth are great wide recievers. we're fine at QB, Johnsons not a scrambler, so what? he's a very accurate passer and he DOES have good arm strengh, we just dont use it.

What are you thinking? Brad is the worst Qb in the NFL! Sure he threw the most passes but how many were for longer than 5 yards? Arm strength? You want to see this team go somewhere, get rid of Johnson and hire a real QB! Even Randall Cunningham would be a better QB and could scramble not to mention hit recievers past the line of scrimmage!

[beyond3x]

Originally posted by cowboy0502:
Obviously the biggest change is needed in the offense. We need a deep threat. The defenses can can key on the running game and the only weapon is short passes by Brad Johnson. Does Brad have a "big league" arm?
Its hard to say. It wasn't evident in the Phillie game. Seems anytime he went deep it was intercepted. We also need a real running back. Dunn isn't the answer and Alstott looks like a good 6-700 yard back. We need a Curtis Martin type back who can rush 1200-1500 yards a year and give the quarter back some breathing room. I think the offensive line will improve. There was a rookie starting in the tough left guard spot. It was real OJT for him.

At last I finally see someone on this message board that sees the truth that Johnson just isn't cutting it! Who in thier right mind would pay this guy to be on their team? You would do better with Brian Johnson from Ac/DC! I hope that Chucky cuts him or benches him!

[LifesAir~TB]

Now that I've pulled my self from all the rumors and really looked at the situation I think I got really great advice for this year's free agent signing. Alright, hear me out on this, i say release are none productives at wide reciever and sign Donald Hayes a 4 year WR released from carolina. He's a physical receiver who has overcome injuries to blossom as a starter. Combined for 118 receptions and 1,523 in 2000-01, the kind of big wideout teams want, will go downfield and block.

If we don't resign Dunn, maybe also we could glance at 9 year RB Heasrt. Now pointed out by many he won't be the player he was in 98 but he's had 2 great come back seasons, has great character, works hard and has a couple 1000 yard years left. Besides that, since Warrick Dunn injured his angle how many times have you seen him dance? how high has his average rush been? Dunn isn't looking like a solid investment to me. 4 year RB Michael Pittman from Arizona is also a free agent worth looking at. He's rushed for 1,565 and made 115 receptions over the past 2 years. He has anger management problems, but i think that even though that's a red flag for most teams it shouldn't be for us, we have anger and loud mouth that adds character and intensity to our defense,
I think that same character needs to be a part of the buc offense. Sure we have Johnson on offense, but Keyshawn isn't atlas, nor is Mike Alstott, these players can't carry what will be the new world of Buccaneer Offense on their own shoulders, they need able team mates that are going to do just as much and much more to rise this franchise to the top.