What potential post-June 1 free agent(s) should the Bucs target?

[Hot Topic]

As is the case almost every season, there are some well-known NFL players who may be released after June 1.

The Bucs, of course, cannot comment on any potential free agents that are still on another team...but you can!

Are there any players who you believe might be cut that you would like to see the Bucs pursue? Tell us why the player or players would help Tampa Bay.

[N2Offkey]

A linebacker. There's three or so on the market and would be more beneficial than a WR. Ask this: There's already Keyshawn and an emerging recever in Jurevicious.. put in first rounder Marquise Walker and Colts defectee E.G. Green (if they keep him) why would you want a Keenan McCardell or Derrick Alexander, who would want big money and probably demand playing time. Should it be worth it because the Bucs have already raided the free agent WRs and have not come up short. Help that defense out now..

[TBuccaneerz47]

Id say go with a wide receiver.. however i do agree with N2Offkey.... i think that with keywhawn and marquise walker and or Jurevicious.. the Bucs have a pretty good WR corps.. i really like Walker and watched Michigan play alot last year just to watch him play. He will be huge for the Bucs.. if not right now... but in the future..

[BucsinOcala]

Hardy Nickerson and Keenan McCardell. Nickerson can plug right back in. McCardell is used to playing in the heat and is a proven threat. Hope we have the cap room.

[rochesterbucs]

LB and some more depth at OL. However, if the Bucs can get one of the big name WR's (Alexander, McCardell, Westbrook) for a bargain basement price do it...sure would make training camp interesting.

[chiefs_32]

If anyone has watched Jax with Smith and McCardell, over the last 4 years, they know how valuable a receiving threat McCardell could be in Tampa, with Keyshawn. This overrules all the other depth they've signed at WR and gives the Bucs an Advantage with depth at the position. Especially when this makes the number 3 and 4 guys Joe Jurivicious and Marquise Walker! This is the kind of quality depth Tampa has needed at wideout since??? We do also need depth and linebacker and hopefully they can address that need with the signing of FA Allen Aldridge. I'm excited about the backfield also. I thought that Travis Stephens, especially seeing him run at the SEC last year, could have been in the high second round. We'll see what he can do in the pre-season. Also Byron Hanspard they say turned many heads at mini-camp. Plus Two very good tight ends... wow!!! Excitement -I hope we can block though!

[keithew3]

Ever since the departure of Hardy Nickerson our run defense has been inconsistent at best. We need a ML that can plug some holes.

[THEFOOTBALLPIRATE]

Michael Wesstbrook at 6-3 he is another big target he also worked with Brad Johnson and the recievers coach at Washington.We need to stock up on linebackers.

[ChiTownBuc]

i think we should go after my personal favorite mlb, nickerson. that would be sweet to see him in a buc uni again.

[Bucamaniac40]

Nickerson and Mcardell,Cut Sapp if they need cap room!

[JAyBuc]

OFFENSIVE LINEMEN!!!!!!

[Safi]

I hope they sign Aldridge and the Evander Holyfield look alike and then sign McCardell on June 1st

[mattyf108]

Theres no reason why hardy nickerson shouldnt come back to join the bucs again like old times. He would fit into our defense perfectly, and is one of the best linebackers in the league. could you imagine him lined up next to brooks, and behind sapp mac simeon and jones. UNREAL. Also, we need to look for a winning quarterback, because from what ive seen, neither sean king or brad johnson can get it done, and unless robby pulles somethin out of his *** , we'll be eliminated first round again, and i really really do not want to see that happen

[Keyshawn Johnson101]

Originally posted by N2Offkey:
A linebacker. There's three or so on the market and would be more beneficial than a WR. Ask this: There's already Keyshawn and an emerging recever in Jurevicious.. put in first rounder Marquise Walker and Colts defectee E.G. Green (if they keep him) why would you want a Keenan McCardell or Derrick Alexander, who would want big money and probably demand playing time. Should it be worth it because the Bucs have already raided the free agent WRs and have not come up short. Help that defense out now..
I agree any position on Defense.



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[ChuckY#1]

No more WR PLEASE!!! We need Linebackers if some of u didn't notice. Oh ya and how are our great running backs supposed to run without any blocking...O-line people! We need to take advantage of June 1st and make some big moves.

[Las_Luces]

We need to sign Woodall. He has been a starter since he came and he only played for eight years. It would be great since hes prolly got 6 years left sign him for 4 and draft Boss Bailey(Champ Baileys Brother) and develop him into a starting linebACKER

[I'm an 0-26 Survivor]

Originally posted by N2Offkey:
A linebacker. There's three or so on the market and would be more beneficial than a WR. Ask this: There's already Keyshawn and an emerging recever in Jurevicious.. put in first rounder Marquise Walker and Colts defectee E.G. Green (if they keep him) why would you want a Keenan McCardell or Derrick Alexander, who would want big money and probably demand playing time. Should it be worth it because the Bucs have already raided the free agent WRs and have not come up short. Help that defense out now..

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[dman_from_hell]

How about drop rob johnson and get major applewhite. major is the man and would be a good future qb after the other johnson.

[suspect one]

FIRST OFF, BRING BACK NUMBER 56

HE IS THE BEST MLB THE BUCS EVER HAD.

DERRICK ALEXANDER AND A BACK-UP lb COULD HELP BUT ARE NOT NEEDED.

[lilchris0303]

Originally posted by dman_from_hell:
How about drop rob johnson and get major applewhite. major is the man and would be a good future qb after the other johnson.

Major Apllewhite has already signed with another team.

[LifesAir~TB]

First off the guy who mentioned Micheal Westbrook, understand Westbrook wants too much money.

WR - WE NEED TO SIGN Keenan Mccardell if we can. He is like my new favorite player. Joe Jurevicous has now way of comparing to this guy. Plus, he finished his season hot and has the best season to show for last out of all the prospects with an accumaltion of 38 points as just one of his stats that he carried in from the 2001 season. I'm really excited as a fan if they can get this guy.


MLB - PLEASE DON'T SIGN HARDY NICKERSON! He's to old. He won't do what he did when he was with us before. Staff knew he's game was deteriating, and that's why they didn't sign him to a long term contract when they had the chance. With Aldrig I say we stay at MLB. We have talented staff already, who know the system. No one that I know of that's still out there or will be after June 1st is that attractive at this position compared to what we already have. Nickerson is just a name now, nothing else.


CB & FS - I don't know who will be avaliable at these positions, but Depth is really welcome here. You guys keep talking about "Middle Linebacker, Middle Linebacker!", but this is where we hurt. I say this year they could address some depth here, but next year the draft could conveniately send at least a 3rd or 4th round cannidate that direction for development.

RT - is our need postion on the line, but once agian, I know of no one extremely talented that could address this position that's avaliable. But this is where we leave the whole on offense.

We need to sign Keenan Mccardell and that's that.


[This message has been edited by LifesAir~TB (edited 05-08-2002).]

[lilchris0303]

look at the cap hit of Rjohnson

[LifesAir~TB]

Originally posted by lilchris0303:
Look at the cap hit of Rjohnson

SKINNY: The oft-injured seven-year vet Johnson was released by the Bills, saving them $6.15 million on their 2002 salary cap. But the Bills will have to carry a $5.075 million cap charge for Johnson, the remaining prorated share of his signing bonus.

What was that post suppose to be about??

Rob Johnson almost doesn't hit our cap at all??

[donye21]

1. LBS. Hardy Nickerson without a question. It would be just like old times; Brooks, Hardy, and Quarles. Picking up and undrafted rookie like Lewis would be nice. If not sign Allen put him in the middle. He know the postion already and Quarles want make the 1st year mistakes at MLB. Oh ya lets not forget abouth the Kat. Big, stong, and plays with an attitude. He could be a steal if he stays healthy

2.WRS. If Joe has a season like last year with the catches Walker and the others our wr core should do just fine. If Joe can catch as many balls as Green and Anthony as a 3rd wr how do you think he will do as a #2? Walker is good for at least 30 or more so come on why more wrs? I mean its just my opioion. With the wrs we have now I can't do as bad as we did last year!

3.QBS Does anyone remember who see signed last year? Ryan Leaf. I really think that will be the case with Rob. With Brad's acc. I think we will be our starter.

4.OL I mean you can never have enough blockers. I don't know who is still available put we could use one or two.

GO BUCS




[This message has been edited by donye21 (edited 05-08-2002).]

[fish_84]

ok, lets get one thing straight, if anything, we dont need keenan mccardell. hes more possession than all of our receivers, and why the hell would we have 4 great possession receivers. we already have a great receiver group, about 80% possession, but a **** good group of possession receivers. If we do get a wideout, it better be a speedy motha even if he isnt a superstar, just decent. I definetely agree with the O-line, even with that awesome O-line coach, we could still use it. most defensive spots need backups too.

[LifesAir~TB]

Originally posted by donye21:
1. LBS. Hardy Nickerson without a question. It would be just like old times; Brooks, Hardy, and Quarles. Picking up and undrafted rookie like Lewis would be nice. If not sign Allen put him in the middle. He know the postion already and Quarles want make the 1st year mistakes at MLB. Oh ya lets not forget abouth the Kat. Big, stong, and plays with an attitude. He could be a steal if he stays healthy

2.WRS. If Joe has a season like last year with the catches Walker and the others our wr core should do just fine. If Joe can catch as many balls as Green and Anthony as a 3rd wr how do you think he will do as a #2? Walker is good for at least 30 or more so come on why more wrs? I mean its just my opioion. With the wrs we have now I can't do as bad as we did last year!

3.QBS Does anyone remember who see signed last year? Ryan Leaf. I really think that will be the case with Rob. With Brad's acc. I think we will be our starter.

4.OL I mean you can never have enough blockers. I don't know who is still available put we could use one or two.

GO BUCS


[This message has been edited by donye21 (edited 05-08-2002).]

Key word, man, "old times" we need a team for a new season...


oh, and we don't know if Walker is good enough for 30 or more?? He probably won't even start. He's a rookie. You don't understand how much Keenan Mccardell would bring to our offense with aggresiveness as well as a different look in the slot.

Joe Jurevicous doesn't have the ability to get in the enzone like Mccardell. With Keenan the Buccaneers would have a Wide recieving core that would compete with the Rams, plus it would represent a varity of pass catchers. The staff tried to make a run for Johnny Morton so definately look for them to make a run for Keenan Mccardell.

P.S. - I'm tired of people saying we need Nickerson... the Packers can have him.

[toolbuc]

Nickerson and McCardell

[J&JFL00]

We need to strengthen our O-line Because not even Brett Farve could get us any more touchdowns then B.Johnson without one. Also we need more good cornerbacks to help out Jackson and Barber.

[bucsfan6]

screw alexander. get a lb. a good one

[bucsfan6]

yea. we can really start saying we can throw deep....not.... we could if brad johnson would throw it downfield.

[QuarlesFan]

Originally posted by LifesAir~TB:
First off the guy who mentioned Micheal Westbrook, understand Westbrook wants too much money.

WR - WE NEED TO SIGN Keenan Mccardell if we can. He is like my new favorite player. Joe Jurevicous has now way of comparing to this guy. Plus, he finished his season hot and has the best season to show for last out of all the prospects with an accumaltion of 38 points as just one of his stats that he carried in from the 2001 season. I'm really excited as a fan if they can get this guy.


MLB - PLEASE DON'T SIGN HARDY NICKERSON! He's to old. He won't do what he did when he was with us before. Staff knew he's game was deteriating, and that's why they didn't sign him to a long term contract when they had the chance. With Aldrig I say we stay at MLB. We have talented staff already, who know the system. No one that I know of that's still out there or will be after June 1st is that attractive at this position compared to what we already have. Nickerson is just a name now, nothing else.


CB & FS - I don't know who will be avaliable at these positions, but Depth is really welcome here. You guys keep talking about "Middle Linebacker, Middle Linebacker!", but this is where we hurt. I say this year they could address some depth here, but next year the draft could conveniately send at least a 3rd or 4th round cannidate that direction for development.

RT - is our need postion on the line, but once agian, I know of no one extremely talented that could address this position that's avaliable. But this is where we leave the whole on offense.

We need to sign Keenan Mccardell and that's that.

Good post. I agree with everything you said except the FS position. We have Dexter Jackson who put up great numbers his first year starting, but does leave room for improvement. We drafted a FS in Jermaine Phillips. The coaches seem to think he has a big up-side.

WR- Normally I would be a little hesitant in bringing in a veteran WR, but I believe McCardell is the best WR that will be cut after June 1st. He has a good 2-3 years left, and that is about all time the Bucs have to get to the Super Bowl with the core of players we have now. If we don't get him then maybe someone like Alexander or W. Jackson if we can afford them.

CB- Definitely need a corner with experience. Someone that can play in nickel coverage.

LB- Need a guy with experience to backup Singleton and push him for the starting job. Which is why the Bucs brought in Aldridge & Woodall. Nickerson is too old and at the end of his career. Bringing him in would make no sense. We do have Quarles and Webster at the MLB spot.

T- A backup for Wunsch could be brought in. Someone that would push him for the starting job and has experience.

A #2 WR and #3 CB being our two biggest needs right now.

[AtomicZ]

Im not sure of the layers available, but we need to address linebackers and secondary. We need depth at defensive back position. It would be nice to get another wideout like Mccardell, but what good does it do to score points if you cant stop the opponents from scoring?


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[cbucks123]

Originally posted by Bucamaniac40:
Nickerson and Mcardell,Cut Sapp if they need cap room!

Cut Sapp?Are you an idiot or what?

[JerseyBucsFan]

1. I agree with those who say DON'T sign Nickerson. Hardy was great in his day, but he might cause trouble if he returns. He's what, 35 now? A lot has changed since he left, some of it for the better. I like the route they're going. Guys like Woodall or Aldridge. We need inexpensive guys who can fill the No. 4, 5 or 6 spot.
2. McCardell would help. Chiefs, Browns and us looking at him. Unless we get in a bidding war, go for him. He'd be nice, but not at a high price.
3. CB would be nice to bolster but I'm not excited by any of the guys out there YET. Let's see about this one. But this is always at the TOP of the priority list if a good one pops up.
4. Oben would help. I've seen him and this is the type of player we need for O-line depth. He shouldn't cost a lot and he's a definite upgrade.

[TheRealBucFan]

I agree the offense, needed an upgrade. I think we have improved at most positions on that side of the ball. Our real need now is on the defense. We need a vocal leader in the middle. I like Hardy, but we need to give him a very intense physical first. If he checks out okay, I say sign him. Hardy was a true leader. Duncan never filled those shoes. Our defense in the last two to three years has become "nice" and "generous", we need "mean" and "ugly". We don't want to look like the Rams in 2000. Offense scores 35, Defense gives up 45. Let's take it to the HOUSE.... GO BUCS!!!!!!

[lilchris0303]

We dont need a big time receiver as long as Brad Johnson is QB. What is he going to do with someone who can stretch the field? No matter what WRs we get it wont matter, Johnson cant stretch the field. Last yr. he proved that on the option play. He COULDNT see anyone open so he dumped it off to the TE or RB. People where open he just cant get the ball down field. We still need MLB, but there isnt anyone good out there. Nickereson was good but just needs to retire. I also agree that he DBs need help but there isnt anyone out there who could be an impact player, so yet again the best we can get is a backup. The best idea is to trade Brad or Rob Johnson for a draft pick or MLB. But that wont happen because for some odd reason, Gruden likes to make his teams some of the oldest in the NFL. Look at the Raiders, the are officially the oldest team in the league. They are screwed up, i sure hope Gruden doenst do that here!

[Innocent3rd]

i think the Bucs recieving corps may emerge as one of this years best. Keyshawn posted a 106:1 season last year, into double coverage with very little help provided by Jaquez and Riedell, Jurevicous has more catches last year than the two of those combined for last season, and he will be emerging in a new system. We all approve of Walker although he might not have a huge impact this season, we all agree he will have an impact. i think to spend any more than basement price on another reciever, although i love McCardell, would not benefit us because of the cap hit he would make and the fact that i think the defense, our beloved defense, could use some infusion at the linebacker position. Yes, Hardy is old, but he is proven and that help in the middle is what the Bucs need to once again lead the run defense, too many times backs have found there way through the middle, if any BIG money has to be spent anywhere it would need to be on a MLB, then i would consider a DB, then i would only sign a reciever to a bare as bone dry minimum contract.

[SLOBGOBLIN]

as already mentioned,We got to get some help at MLB,I like Woodall or ALridge.Also a RT would be great to get too.
I agree with others who say we already got 4 possesion receivers,Now Get a Speed Demon!

[LDF]

db's cb's we have yet to secure Abraham's succesor. Kelley can be. injuries can deplete this unit quickly. I like the experience we are getting at One Buc Place to 'try out'. But I think the front office is waiting to ponce on some experienced db's cb's that should come up (sportline.com got the whole list..so does profootballweekly)Go take a look. See what's available. But please we got enough wr's, and if we take Oben then the OL will be secure.

[LDF]

On a side note. Hardy had it good here. FANS, a defense suited to his style, and the best defensive coach.
HE LEFT FOR $$$$$. Not a better shot at the big dance, just money.
I know I don't want him here because he left. Nostalgic sentiment my a--! He left us, I don't want him. Yeah he's done some great hits, nailed some jawjacking running backs into last week, but he can't come back. He left us, the fans for $$$$!!
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[Mad Adder]

We're good with WRs for now. We need to sign another LB (probably Aldridge). I say give Quarles a shot at MLB. If he doesn't do too well, stick Nate Webster in there. One of these guys could turn out to be the next Hardy Nickerson, you know. I think we need to get another CB. Barber and Kelly are good, but we need another backup to go along with Dwight Smith I think.

[Rim Swilly 9]

I think that the offense looks way better than it did last year so... mission accomplished in that department. Linebacker and Offensive line needs depth. I don't think that Nickerson would be a bad choice if an agreement can be made. If we have to spend too much money for him then he would not be worth it. I'm sure that the boys in charge have already thought about him...besides, I think the real reason that he left is because he was tired of wearing that ugly orange http://64.159.85.249/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif He might take a pay cut to wear the new uniforms! I agree that a wide receiver is really not necessary...unless, of course, we could get a guy that is super fast. Mcardell is "iffy". I don't know that he would be that great, especially when we do not have a proven "down field" passer. There again, too much money for him would NOT be a good idea. June 1st should be interesting!

[WhitbyBuc]

Originally posted by JAyBuc:
OFFENSIVE LINEMEN!!!!!!

No question about it. Without a good O line we will have to become more one dimensional by passing more. Fortunately, with Alstott and Pittman, we don't need the biggest line in the world as they are power backs and can "make" holes. However, if we are ever to see Stecker flourish we need to add some depth to our current roster.

[JimmyC]

and OL

[cbucks123]

Originally posted by LDF:
On a side note. Hardy had it good here. FANS, a defense suited to his style, and the best defensive coach.
HE LEFT FOR $$$$$. Not a better shot at the big dance, just money.
I know I don't want him here because he left. Nostalgic sentiment my a--! He left us, I don't want him. Yeah he's done some great hits, nailed some jawjacking running backs into last week, but he can't come back. He left us, the fans for $$$$!!
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Hardy left cause if we were going to keep EVERYBODY else on our D then we could not afford to pay him, Hardy wanted to end his career here,And some of you people who call yourself Bucs fans kill me.Let me tell you something,Hardy Nickerson made our defense what it is today.He was the first Bucs player in a long time to play football on Sundays and actually try his hardest to win games,he brought fire,itensity,and heart to our team.We built our defenese around him if you remember.Sapp,Brooks,Lynch,Donnie,were all drafted to help Hardy,to build our D around him.I mean the guy would record 200 tackles a year.Hardy Nickerson was one of the greatest Bucs player of all time and deserves respesct. He was good in the community,he was a leader on and off the feild,and he was a Pro Bowl player every year.So please know what you are talking about before you type anymore.He didnt leave us,We left him.

[Rim Swilly 9]

Originally posted by cbucks123:
Hardy left cause if we were going to keep EVERYBODY else on our D then we could not afford to pay him, Hardy wanted to end his career here,And some of you people who call yourself Bucs fans kill me.Let me tell you something,Hardy Nickerson made our defense what it is today.He was the first Bucs player in a long time to play football on Sundays and actually try his hardest to win games,he brought fire,itensity,and heart to our team.We built our defenese around him if you remember.Sapp,Brooks,Lynch,Donnie,were all drafted to help Hardy,to build our D around him.I mean the guy would record 200 tackles a year.Hardy Nickerson was one of the greatest Bucs player of all time and deserves respesct. He was good in the community,he was a leader on and off the feild,and he was a Pro Bowl player every year.So please know what you are talking about before you type anymore.He didnt leave us,We left him.

Amen brother! I am a HUGE Hardy Nickerson fan and, as I posted before, he may take less money to come back to us and retire as a Buc. I still don't know HOW MUCH we can afford to give him...given his age and all. Unfortunately, money talks in this game these days and even if we all LOVE someone that just isn't enough. We need to be smart with the money so that we can be a great franchise for years to come.

[Bradentonbucfan]

I am happy with what we have on offence with the 'skilled' positions.

The OL needs attention and depth.

I think with the additions they have made to the LB position we should be ok there.

I think we need a star CB i dont know if any will be available. But that is a position we need depth. I think the starters are OK but Kelly worries me some it would be nice to have another star like Barber on the other side.

I would love to see a WR like McCardel or Alexander on board. But we have some great WR's right now.

Come on Pre-Season i need football!!!!!!!

[Sean19]

I think the bucs need to go after Derrick Alexander. He is bigger, younger, and just as fast as Mcardell. They also need to pick up a solid linebacker, and the BEST offensive lineman available. This is all possible if they release Brad Johnson. I really want to see Shaun King get another shot. He is definatly our future QB, and he is a MUCH better scrambler than Johnson, and that is what Gruden needs in his system. Besides, if Shaun King played as well as he did in 2000, with our unbelievable wr core, our improvements at runningback, and our improvements on the o-line, it could only mean one thing. Super Bowl Champs!

[I'm an 0-26 Survivor]

Originally posted by cbucks123:
Hardy left cause if we were going to keep EVERYBODY else on our D then we could not afford to pay him, Hardy wanted to end his career here,And some of you people who call yourself Bucs fans kill me.Let me tell you something,Hardy Nickerson made our defense what it is today.He was the first Bucs player in a long time to play football on Sundays and actually try his hardest to win games,he brought fire,itensity,and heart to our team.We built our defenese around him if you remember.Sapp,Brooks,Lynch,Donnie,were all drafted to help Hardy,to build our D around him.I mean the guy would record 200 tackles a year.Hardy Nickerson was one of the greatest Bucs player of all time and deserves respesct. He was good in the community,he was a leader on and off the feild,and he was a Pro Bowl player every year.So please know what you are talking about before you type anymore.He didnt leave us,We left him.

I don't know about anybody else, but I know what I'm talking about, and Hardy was a mercenary who left for Mo' Money! http://64.159.85.249/ubb/noncgi/tongue.gif
Hardy got Jacksonville to unload a Brinks in his driveway, and did what Dunn did with Atlanta. He left for the money. Plain and simple. And now he has to leave because the Money ain't no Mo". Plain and simple. And over here there ain't his kind-o-money. Hardy's play had begun to decline, but he wanted the Bucs to show him the money. They showed him the money, but Jacksonville showed him more. Get real.
Hardy Nickerson will be the Doug Williams of the Glazer era. As time goes on his importance will grow. Sheesh!

[I'm an 0-26 Survivor]

Originally posted by SLOBGOBLIN:
as already mentioned,We got to get some help at MLB,I like Woodall or ALridge.Also a RT would be great to get too.
I agree with others who say we already got 4 possesion receivers,Now Get a Speed Demon!
Like Jacquez Green? http://64.159.85.249/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif

[Keyshawn Johnson101]

Originally posted by Bucamaniac40:
Nickerson and Mcardell,Cut Sapp if they need cap room!
What is up with you and sapp?Sapp is better than you so shut up!We have a MLB.He might just end up with a 100 tackles.And I still bet there are buc fans whinning.



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[I'm an 0-26 Survivor]

Originally posted by Rim Swilly 9:
Amen brother! I am a HUGE Hardy Nickerson fan and, as I posted before, he may take less money to come back to us and retire as a Buc. I still don't know HOW MUCH we can afford to give him...given his age and all. Unfortunately, money talks in this game these days and even if we all LOVE someone that just isn't enough. We need to be smart with the money so that we can be a great franchise for years to come.


Rim. No offense bro', but you just wrote why we don't need Mo' Money. Go back and look at it. http://64.159.85.249/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif
I remember a stud linebacker we had once. He was here a year as a draftee. He had talent, and Sam Wyche made one of the biggest mistakes in his career by trying to pull a fast roster move. Someone else pounced on him and he was a standout for a number of years. Whom, you ask?
Why, Elijah Alexander........

[donye21]

I keep reading about people not wanting Hardy back, but let me ask you this "What other MLB is there, and can he make as big of an impact as Hardy would? Sure he is old but look at Keenan How old is he? I don't want us to blow money on a players that want do nothing. I saw enough of that with Green and Anthony. Lets just get a starting MLB put Quarles back and add some OL depth.


SUPER BOLW here we come!!!!!!!!!!

[TheChatG]

I'm sorry, but there's a reason J. Green is no longer here. He had no consistency. It's kind of a shame to see someone with that much speed that could not stretch a defense. I agree with a lot of folks in the post that we need another corner. Our corners seem to break down when quarterbacks start to scramble. I think we need a proven, solid corner that can effective cover one-on-one. If we can sure up our pass defense, I don't see a lot of teams that can stop us. http://64.159.85.249/ubb/noncgi/cool.gif

[Apollo516]

The Bucs should really be concentrating on grabbing #56 back.Hardy Nickerson was one of the greatest MLB for the Bucs in their history.He's the first choice.Even though Shelton Quarles was expected to play in the middle, Hardy is still a better fit.If Hardy doesn't come back, the Bucs could go out and grab Ed McDaniel too.As for WR's they don't need any.Keyshawn Johnson will be dominating again.Joe Jurevicious and Marquise Walker will take over for the departed Green and Anthony.If by some odd they get Keenan McCardell they should cut former Colt E.G Green and maybe Keith Poole or Frank Murphy.

[BamBam]

Although Hardy is getting up in age, we need the experience that he brings, along with his way of motivating the younger players like he did here before. I think our run stopping will improve drastically.

[cbucks123]

Originally posted by I'm an 0-26 Survivor:
Originally posted by Rim Swilly 9:
Amen brother! I am a HUGE Hardy Nickerson fan and, as I posted before, he may take less money to come back to us and retire as a Buc. I still don't know HOW MUCH we can afford to give him...given his age and all. Unfortunately, money talks in this game these days and even if we all LOVE someone that just isn't enough. We need to be smart with the money so that we can be a great franchise for years to come.


Rim. No offense bro', but you just wrote why we don't need Mo' Money. Go back and look at it. http://64.159.85.249/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif
I remember a stud linebacker we had once. He was here a year as a draftee. He had talent, and Sam Wyche made one of the biggest mistakes in his career by trying to pull a fast roster move. Someone else pounced on him and he was a standout for a number of years. Whom, you ask?
Why, Elijah Alexander........


Who the hell is Elijah Alexander,and what did he do for who?

[tampabucsman533]

i am think it has been made very apparent that tampa is one of the free spending teams on the market. i agree we need lots more defensive help and of course hardy nickerson would be a wonderful help, but we brought gruden in to bolster that offense so you bet they are going to sign more recievers. So if your going to bring anybody in, bring in derrick alexander. He is young, fast, and finishes his route. Gruden should know this from watching alexander burn them in oakland. and he will be alot cheaper than freeman, westbrook, and mccardell. but honestly agree, lets get somemore free agents on defense and the offenseive line

[jersey buc]

Nickerson and McCardell

We need help and depth at LB and at #2 Reciever

[Bradentonbucfan]

On the Hardy Nickerson subject, I think he is getting a little old and has lost some speed but i am sure he still has the heart.
I hold no grudge with him leaving, this is the NFL and players leave teams. Teams they may not want to leave but when enough money is at stake he has to do what is best for him and his familiy.
If by some reason Hardy did return he may not be first string. But his leadership and teaching abilitys would be a great asset to our team. I would not be against getting Hardy back on our roster.
I hear alot of talk about Nickerson but do you think the Jags are going to hang him out to dry? I have not heard that.

But i am against Chris Carter. Unless he has had some theropy he is just nuts. He was very disruptive with Minn. He has been available for a long time if the Bucs were interested he would already be on the roster.
I have said it before Keyshawn is a younger version of Chris Carter. Chris Carter would not fit in unless he was on the feild as a #1 or #2 WR. We have so many talented WR's now signing him would be over kill.

[sugarray]

We need to address a few spots:

1. WR- I know everyone thinks that we are good enough there, but you can't count on a rookie WR to contribute much until his 2nd or 3rd year historically. I say we get McCardell because he can step in and produce now.

2. MLB- Hardy would be my choice only because he knows the defense and he can teach Webster & Quarles all that he knows. Sure he has lost a step, but with his experience & knowledge he would play much better than Duncan did.

3. O-Line- We need to add Oben for competition and insurance in case Walker turns out to be a bust. Anyone remember McRae?

I love our roster right now and I think we could be REALLY special if we just add a few pieces. We need to build this team to win NOW! We only have a window of 2-3 years to win this thing before we have to rebuild the core of our team. We are definitely on the right track. Finally.

[real bucs fan]

first off our biggest hole is a linebacker.
were small ,under staffed and vulnerable against the run.we need a 250lbs plus,MLB to plug the middle.quarles is best suited to play the outside. i thought trotter would be a perfect fit but we never had a chance.westbrook would be a good fit at receiver cuz hes big,fast,and had mad chemistry with brad johnson in 99'.we also
need veteran depth at DT,darby is undersized(how bout a 320lbs for 3rd and short situation).also we should sign those players that came to camp,and a 4th corner.
maybe another offensive tackle for competition.

[real bucs fan]

Originally posted by lilchris0303:
We dont need a big time receiver as long as Brad Johnson is QB. What is he going to do with someone who can stretch the field? No matter what WRs we get it wont matter, Johnson cant stretch the field. Last yr. he proved that on the option play. He COULDNT see anyone open so he dumped it off to the TE or RB. People where open he just cant get the ball down field. We still need MLB, but there isnt anyone good out there. Nickereson was good but just needs to retire. I also agree that he DBs need help but there isnt anyone out there who could be an impact player, so yet again the best we can get is a backup. The best idea is to trade Brad or Rob Johnson for a draft pick or MLB. But that wont happen because for some odd reason, Gruden likes to make his teams some of the oldest in the NFL. Look at the Raiders, the are officially the oldest team in the league. They are screwed up, i sure hope Gruden doenst do that here!

yo! when brad johnson played for minnesota and washington he got respect for his deep ball.we also need a speedy receiver to stretch the safetys so all 20 of our possesion receivers can work underneath.we should get westbrook cuz hes big ,fast, strong and worked well with johnson in 99.
he would also come cheap cuz his age ,injuries, and low numbers last year.maybe trade stecker,and a couple of our WR for a star run stuffing MLB.

[mattyf108]

Originally posted by LDF:
On a side note. Hardy had it good here. FANS, a defense suited to his style, and the best defensive coach.
HE LEFT FOR $$$$$. Not a better shot at the big dance, just money.
I know I don't want him here because he left. Nostalgic sentiment my a--! He left us, I don't want him. Yeah he's done some great hits, nailed some jawjacking running backs into last week, but he can't come back. He left us, the fans for $$$$!!
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ya know what, WHO GIVES A ****. Pro football players play for money. they dont play to impress fans or anything liek that and if any one of them says they dont then their lying. We need to look at the fact that nickerson was by far our best middle linebacker. he fit into our defense perfectly and plugged the holes. Obviously hed leave us if another team offered him more money, thats what its all about, but now we have a chance to get him back and we should defenitly take it.

[Bucspasms]

There is no doubt in my mind it has to be McCardell. The guy knows how to produce for a hard arse in a #2 receiver role. Not much more to be said about it. No ego to contend with. Any cons to this guy? I think not.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news/fanball/20020513/fanball-buccaneersmccardellt.html


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[JD]

the overall ideas from most of you are valid
O-Line men
LB
#2 receiver
in that order
Hardy may be older but we have NEVER replaced his leadership, on field calls and adjustments, veteran knowledge, etc. the intangibles far out weigh who we have had trying to replace him. Our team has about 2-3 more yrs at the playoff level with our core players. If Hardy can be signed without a big cap hit then give him a 2 yrs deal with an option, He can school his replacement. Duncan (gone)Webster (small)and now a new MLB in Quarles have been avg at best, check our stats, run D is down especially up the middle.
He was NOT released because of his heart condition. Get your facts straight. He was too $$$ for us to sign for a long term deal.
Keenan would be great.
Don't know much about other O-linemen except R.Oben. he could be worth it.

[5Dash2]

Kaiser Sousay

[Safi]

Originally posted by 5Dash2:
Kaiser Sousay

Did you just watch the Usual Suspects because that is one hell of a movie

[donye21]

Let me ask everyone how doesn't want Hardy to come back a question. What other MLB know the one gap defense? If we went out and MLB that could start wounldn't it take him at less until the middle of the season to learn it like it did Rice? I agree Hardy is old, but I thinkg we need a playre ther is going to make impact now. I don't want to see Quarles come in and make the rookie like mistakes at a new postion. I think that would hurt our defense more then it would to sign Hardy. Isn't it easier to find an OLB over a MLB? Even if Quarles learns how to play the middle he would have Hardy to teach him how to play it better. I know thats the coaches job, but I think having a great player like Hardy to learn from would work better. Even Nate could learn a thing or two from Hardy. So lets bring him in for a year and finish getting depth at wr, and ol and start the party. (any #2 wr that we can get)Then road to the Super Bowl runs though Tampa.


BO BUCS


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[YOUNGUNZ]

WHERE IS ALL THIS MONEY GOING TO COME FROM? SOMEBODY IS GOING TO HAVE TO GET HURT. THE CAP IS WHATS DICTATING THE JUNE 1ST FRENZY. MAYBE THE BUCS HAVE A CASUALTY AS WELL?

[I'm an 0-26 Survivor]

Originally posted by cbucks123:
Originally posted by I'm an 0-26 Survivor:
Originally posted by Rim Swilly 9:
Amen brother! I am a HUGE Hardy Nickerson fan and, as I posted before, he may take less money to come back to us and retire as a Buc. I still don't know HOW MUCH we can afford to give him...given his age and all. Unfortunately, money talks in this game these days and even if we all LOVE someone that just isn't enough. We need to be smart with the money so that we can be a great franchise for years to come.


Rim. No offense bro', but you just wrote why we don't need Mo' Money. Go back and look at it. http://64.159.85.249/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif
I remember a stud linebacker we had once. He was here a year as a draftee. He had talent, and Sam Wyche made one of the biggest mistakes in his career by trying to pull a fast roster move. Someone else pounced on him and he was a standout for a number of years. Whom, you ask?
Why, Elijah Alexander........


Who the hell is Elijah Alexander,and what did he do for who?
Thank you for making my point. http://64.159.85.249/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif

[I'm an 0-26 Survivor]

Originally posted by Zepp:
actually Nickerson was cut because he suffered from pericarditis and couldn't finish the season, and then was picked up by Jax...
Zepp, I don't intend to get personal, so I apologize if it looks that way.
Hardy did not, I repeat, did not get cut. Hardy left as a free agent for a lot mo' money than he was worth. Plain and simple. If you were around then, you would have known that.
here's my theory, our stalls are full, our cap is near bursting and we really don't have space or money for anyone...
so here is the Zepp plan...
Cut Brad Johnson and Rob Johnson, that opens two roster spots and about $4mil cap space...
next, sign Carter and Nickerson... they are old and probably only have one or two seasons left in them, but we wouldn't just be filling roster spaces.
Our stalls are full the cap is bursting? http://64.159.85.249/ubb/noncgi/confused.gif. Who told you that?
Carter:
Who made Moss the monster reciever he has become? Carter... who was the Viking's O for the better half of a decade? Carter... who has been jilted by three teams and is looking for a superbowl ring more than money? Carter...
he's a teacher, a leader, and full of fire.
Nickerson:
Who was the leader of the Buc's D during their best years? Nickerson... Who helped develop Brooks? Nickerson... Who has a great many of TB's tackle records? Nickerson...
he's a teacher, a leader, and the one who is destined to bring the Bucs to greatness.
KEY WORD: WAS http://64.159.85.249/ubb/noncgi/eek.gif WAS http://64.159.85.249/ubb/noncgi/eek.gif WAS http://64.159.85.249/ubb/noncgi/eek.gif
we can get these two relatively cheap and their experience and leadership can aid this team through Gruden's first year and provide a base for the future of the franchise...

For Pete's sake, why are we insisting on making this team older with "one year left in their career" players? Tell me, for goodness sakes, cause I don't get it. Why do we want players with one year left? If they have one year left, then they aren't much of a player, are they? Wake up and read what you write before you submit it. Like I said, it's not a personal thing, but I've seen too many Wally Chambers' etc, come through here. The last thing I want is a chronic whining, cheating, complaining, big-mouthed shell of a receiver taking up a roster spot. I'd almost rather have Bert back. (almost)
WAS! WAS! WAS! WAS! (I hate that word. It's meaning escapes people).
AAAAARRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!

[I'm an 0-26 Survivor]

Originally posted by donye21:
Let me ask everyone how doesn't want Hardy to come back a question. What other MLB know the one gap defense? If we went out and MLB that could start wounldn't it take him at less until the middle of the season to learn it like it did Rice? I agree Hardy is old, but I thinkg we need a playre ther is going to make impact now. I don't want to see Quarles come in and make the rookie like mistakes at a new postion. I think that would hurt our defense more then it would to sign Hardy. Isn't it easier to find an OLB over a MLB? Even if Quarles learns how to play the middle he would have Hardy to teach him how to play it better. I know thats the coaches job, but I think having a great player like Hardy to learn from would work better. Even Nate could learn a thing or two from Hardy. So lets bring him in for a year and finish getting depth at wr, and ol and start the party. (any #2 wr that we can get)Then road to the Super Bowl runs though Tampa.


BO BUCS


[This message has been edited by donye21 (edited 05-10-2002).]
Answer:
Bobby Boucher. And no other will suffice.

[SBIHOPE]

Good ol' Hardy Nickerson. I don't trust Quarels at MLB.

[bjohnson1468]

I think the bucs should try to get someone like antonio freeman cheap. if Hardy doesn't want too much money then he is a definite sign. http://64.159.85.249/ubb/noncgi/biggrin.gif

[laurencenason]

I think if possible we need a DB and another OL or two of each and I think the LB will take care of it self, if the offence puts points on the board then we will see a different type of football than we are used to in Tampa, instead of trying to add to a lead the other team will be trying to catch up so we need DB's and OL, we will see the speed of the young LB'ers we have take control, we have never seen Sapp, Lynch and the rest able to pin the old ears back and take the rush, it is going to be a treat, you all need to get off this Dungy cloud of dust football, its attack get with Chucky Ball and as far as the old man LB Nickerson get a life if for one minute you thought he was pro bowl only when he had the best defensive lines in the league in front of him other than that he was ineffective in J'ville

[laurencenason]

I think if possible we need a DB and another OL or two of each and I think the LB will take care of it self, if the offence puts points on the board then we will see a different type of football than we are used to in Tampa, instead of trying to add to a lead the other team will be trying to catch up so we need DB's and OL, we will see the speed of the young LB'ers we have take control, we have never seen Sapp, Lynch and the rest able to pin the old ears back and take the rush, it is going to be a treat, you all need to get off this Dungy cloud of dust football, its attack get with Chucky Ball and as far as the old man LB Nickerson get a life if for one minute you thought he was pro bowl only when he had the best defensive lines in the league in front of him other than that he was ineffective in J'ville

[laurencenason]

I'm not sure who this Keyshawn Johnson 101 is but get ya some dude well said just give me the dam ball!

[lowell42]

Okay, everybody who would like to see the bucs bring back hardy nickerson, or nickelbags, as i used to like to call him, raise your hands?

we can stop all this "size" talk before we go any further. hardy goes 6-2 237. this is very comprable to shelton, and only about 5-10 pounds more than webster.

he had 110 tackles, 3 ff, and 2 ints in his last year with the bucs but only 148 in his last two w/ the jags. show of hands?

hes almost 37 and has had some serious health issues in his career. anyone?

does he have enuf left in the tank for one more tour in the middle with the bucs? yeah, probably(and we have average depth at the mike).

can he be a leader on defense and take some pressure off sapp and brooks to make the calls? sure, hes always been great at leading, and doing it by example.

will he be an excellent teacher for qaurles and webster and all the bucs young backers, teaching them the little things that it takes to be a winner while producing enough numbers to quell any doubts that the bucs shouldnt have siqned him back in the first place?

gee, my arm is starting to hurt its been raised for so **** long.

(the word was" WAS not harmed in any way during the writing of this post.)

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[JaysBucs18]

In my opinion they should go for McCardell, or Alexander because think of it. If the Bucs have K. Johnson, J. Jurevicious, M. Walker, and K. McCardell, and or Alexander, the only other team to have a recieving threat close to what the Bucs could have is the Rams. By the way I know for a fact that John Gruden would seriously try and pick up any reciever he can get his hands on.

[Alstottneedscarries]

I would like to see us pick up a LB,like maybe Woodall we already missed out on Aldridge,Nickerson would be good too,if anything he could teach Nate the position,I mean who better to teach than the original.
Also we do need another WR,I think Alexander would fit nice because he has speed.McCardell is a great WR but he is also a possesion WR which we already have a gazillion of.Someone brought up Westbrook and I would love to see him here and your right he would probably be cheap,but Gruden would not put up with not playing every down,so I am not sure if he would fit well.I would hope so,but I am just not sure how he would fit.
We probably will sign Oben just for depth,which we need at OL,despite the poor play we got lucky last year when no OL got hurt,that is rare.
God I am just jonesing for the season to start!!!At least June 1 I wil have more news and see who is available,that will have to suffice,but I sure wish it was September,and I live in Maine and cherish the summer!!!
For those about to BUC,I salute you!!!!
Raise the Flag!!!

[gruden4prez]

I think that the bucs need depth at the CB/S postion so i say they pursue Victor Green from the jets i mean hes still a free agent and hes not asking for much! by the way all of u out there suck if u think we shouldnt pursue Keneen McCardell hes a gret threat down feild and Marquis, Joe, and Key could get the short pass for some big yards! Wouldnt all the true bucs fans like to do what denver did with shannon sharpe and get there guy back, then lets do the same and get hardy back for a few seasons and let him retire a buccaneer. its what he deserves and what we deserve!
Buccaneers 2002-2003 superbowl champions?
No Question! were gonna crush everyone!

[bucskicka$$]

Originally posted by LDF:
On a side note. Hardy had it good here. FANS, a defense suited to his style, and the best defensive coach.
HE LEFT FOR $$$$$. Not a better shot at the big dance, just money.
I know I don't want him here because he left. Nostalgic sentiment my a--! He left us, I don't want him. Yeah he's done some great hits, nailed some jawjacking running backs into last week, but he can't come back. He left us, the fans for $$$$!!
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He didnt leave for $$,he went to the jags after they had the leagues best record(14-2) and should of went to the superbowl that year if the titans didnt pull off some magic.I think he thought the jags had a good chance of making the superbowl.Plus with signing Key,christy,mcdaniel,we didnt have the money to pay him what he deserved and with Duncan ready to step in we didnt need to resign him.

[lilchris0303]

Originally posted by real bucs fan:
yo! when brad johnson played for minnesota and washington he got respect for his deep ball.we also need a speedy receiver to stretch the safetys so all 20 of our possesion receivers can work underneath.we should get westbrook cuz hes big ,fast, strong and worked well with johnson in 99.
he would also come cheap cuz his age ,injuries, and low numbers last year.maybe trade stecker,and a couple of our WR for a star run stuffing MLB.

Okay first of all you are talking about use to be able too stretch the field. Ya ill agree with you he use to be able to throw the long one. But fromt he 2 long passes he threw i saw nothing but a dead duck in the air. And he di have a target in J. Green and K. Williams, i dont care what anyone says those two guys where great they where just never used properly. I honestly believe last year would have been Greens break out yr if he hadnt got injured. But back to brad he is over the hill and the longer he sticks around the more evident it becomes. We need youth out there and i see that in S. King. AS for Westbrook and McCardell they are punks. All the ever do is complain about money and when things arent going there way they get injured. Thats there excuse for everything. We dont need anymore receiverc! We need a MLB. Hardy isnt the answer, he is too old and isnt worth the money that he'll ask for. I agree on trading for a MLB but stecker wont get anyone good. I see a big name player leaving, because of being traded or released. With 92 players on the roster, the bucs are 2 million under cap. Watch for a cap move.

[real bucs fan]

i dont know who will be cut on june 1st so i dont know who we could pick up.YOUNGGUNZ pointed out though that the bucs might cut some players.i hope we dont lose any starters or quality backups.our biggest needs though are

MLB-a run stuffing solid starter

WR-a field stretching, phsical,big complement
to keyshawn

OL-problem might of been fixed but our line was horrible last year

DT-a third defensive tackle behind booger and sapp that has size and can stuff run
and tie up multiple blockers

CB-a 4th corner

LB-just some big bodies for depth

our expendable players in my mind are stecker
milton wynn (a rising star but we have to many possesion receivers)rob johnson a TE and a backup safety. trade some of those guys for players at positions of more need.


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[lilchris0303]

Will you cant have greatplayers every where on the team. Sometimes your stuck with what you got and i believe that is where the bucs are right now

[Hawxter19]

why do people say nickerson is getting to old, Jerry Rice isnt retiring.... and hes 40, plus he TAKES the hits he doesnt give them. So what the hell, even if nickerson doesnt start, he would be a great help in teaching the young guys... And Keyshawn can be a deep threat. And i doubt Brad Johnson will start, because he doesnt have the mobility. Sure, he HAD a great arm, but what about King and R.Johnson(who was buffalo's second most accurate passer, and was just stuck behind a terrible OL). Brad Johnson, should do what Grbac did... Retire

[lilchris0303]

Originally posted by Hawxter19:
why do people say nickerson is getting to old, Jerry Rice isnt retiring.... and hes 40, plus he TAKES the hits he doesnt give them. So what the hell, even if nickerson doesnt start, he would be a great help in teaching the young guys... And Keyshawn can be a deep threat. And i doubt Brad Johnson will start, because he doesnt have the mobility. Sure, he HAD a great arm, but what about King and R.Johnson(who was buffalo's second most accurate passer, and was just stuck behind a terrible OL). Brad Johnson, should do what Grbac did... Retire
I disagree with you about Hardy, he is old (everyone knows that)but i believe that the majority of peoples judgement is clouded by illusions of the ole days. Hardy is good for nothing but a backup and a mentor to our young LBs. As for the what you said about Brad Johnson, I have one word for you...AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[bucfan05]

I think the bucs need a linbacker or another big play wide out.The linebacker i would try to get is hardy nickerson,he was very good while playing with the bucs.And Keenan Mccardell would be a very good wige out,he has proven himself time after time.We need at least one of them.


GO BUCS

[bucboy99]

i read in earlier posts that they should cut sapp. no way. sapp is a great lineman and the bucs are known for there great defense and it would hurt the bucs tramendously. keep him! loose rob johnson.

[gruden4prez]

I really think that we should get keenan mccardell because hes such an awesome up the middle clutch reciever! also Victor green would be a good pick up, and lee woodall would be good

[I'm an 0-26 Survivor]

Originally posted by Zepp:

I'm not talking players that have lost their game, they may be a step slower than they were, but they could contribute leadership to a team with a new head coach, and that is exactly what TB needs, leaders that can bring the team together, like Nickerson did for the Bucs before, and like Carter did for the Vikings for the better part of a decade. player/leaders are the one thing that can seperate a successful first year campaign from failure... and the benefits we would reap in the future are, to use an overused football catch-phrase, intangible

Zepp. I understand what you're saying, and I don't disagree that this team may need for leaders to step up. But my problem with Hardy is that this team is at a point where roster spots and cap money are at a premium. Perhaps if he retired and came on as an assistant LB coach......

[BosMan]

Originally posted by lilchris0303:
Okay first of all you are talking about use to be able too stretch the field. Ya ill agree with you he use to be able to throw the long one. But fromt he 2 long passes he threw i saw nothing but a dead duck in the air. And he di have a target in J. Green and K. Williams, i dont care what anyone says those two guys where great they where just never used properly. I honestly believe last year would have been Greens break out yr if he hadnt got injured. But back to brad he is over the hill and the longer he sticks around the more evident it becomes. We need youth out there and i see that in S. King. AS for Westbrook and McCardell they are punks. All the ever do is complain about money and when things arent going there way they get injured. Thats there excuse for everything. We dont need anymore receiverc! We need a MLB. Hardy isnt the answer, he is too old and isnt worth the money that he'll ask for. I agree on trading for a MLB but stecker wont get anyone good. I see a big name player leaving, because of being traded or released. With 92 players on the roster, the bucs are 2 million under cap. Watch for a cap move.


First of all Keenan McCardell has played in every game except for one in the past 7 years. I think he is pretty durable. He is also one of the 5 best receivers in the league, and he started opposite another one of the top 5 receivers in the league. He seems pretty solid to me. As for Hardy...well...I just can't help myself for wanting him in a Buc uniform again. We were horrible last year on third downs. Why not sign Hardy Nickerson, bring him here to teach Quarles and Webster how to lead this team the right way. He can come in and play in the third down situations. He doesn't need to be an every down player right now. A one year contract for his experience and knowledge of the position would be a great investment.

[I'm an 0-26 Survivor]

Originally posted by bucfan05:
I think the bucs need a linbacker or another big play wide out.The linebacker i would try to get is hardy nickerson,he was very good while playing with the bucs.And Keenan Mccardell would be a very good wige out,he has proven himself time after time.We need at least one of them. GO BUCS

I think we should get Mike Singletary he was very good when he played for the Bears.

[lilchris0303]

Originally posted by BosMan:

First of all Keenan McCardell has played in every game except for one in the past 7 years. I think he is pretty durable. He is also one of the 5 best receivers in the league, and he started opposite another one of the top 5 receivers in the league. He seems pretty solid to me. As for Hardy...well...I just can't help myself for wanting him in a Buc uniform again. We were horrible last year on third downs. Why not sign Hardy Nickerson, bring him here to teach Quarles and Webster how to lead this team the right way. He can come in and play in the third down situations. He doesn't need to be an every down player right now. A one year contract for his experience and knowledge of the position would be a great investment.

Correction in McCardells career he hasn started 27 games for various reasons. And int he past 5 years has started but not finished 14 games. He isnt superman like everyone makes him out to be! And as for Hardy he would make a better coach than player

[Las_Luces]

Lol yeah i think we should get Singletary and maybe Lawrence Taylor too!

[LifesAir~TB]

1. Offensive Tackle Romen Oben

2. Wide Reciever Keenan Mccardell

3. Linebacker Roman Phifer

release Center Jeff Christy

This would be my dream for the rest of Tampa's free agency... if that happened we would have to make it to the Super Bowl this year.



[This message has been edited by LifesAir~TB (edited 05-20-2002).]

[JimmyC]

OL, LB, DB

In that order. You always need more good OL. OUr lb and db core is verrrrrrrrrrrry thin

[skinny]

Originally posted by Bucamaniac40:
Nickerson and Mcardell,Cut Sapp if they need cap room!

Huh? A joke. You're kidding, of course.

[sugarray]

Originally posted by bucskick*****:
He didnt leave for $$,he went to the jags after they had the leagues best record(14-2) and should of went to the superbowl that year if the titans didnt pull off some magic.I think he thought the jags had a good chance of making the superbowl.Plus with signing Key,christy,mcdaniel,we didnt have the money to pay him what he deserved and with Duncan ready to step in we didnt need to resign him.

Wrong. He did leave for money. And it was the dumbest thing he & the Bucs did. Duncan sucked and so did Jacksonville. We would have probably won a SB if he would have stayed.

[JoshuaSmith]

Hey I hear Ryan Leaf is Available again... practice squad need any tackling dummies, or maybe just sign so we don't hurt Rob Johnson's feelings and he isn't last string?

Hardy Nickerson needs to come home
Rob Johnson needs to go home

[skinny]

I think Roman Phifer looks right for us. Can't figure out why N.E. let him go.

[PHILBUCFAN]

JERRY RICE WAS SEEN ARRIVING AT TIA THIS MORNING AT 6:30 GOT INTO A LIMO AND DROVE OFF.

[I'm an 0-26 Survivor]

Originally posted by PHILBUCFAN:
JERRY RICE WAS SEEN ARRIVING AT TIA THIS MORNING AT 6:30 GOT INTO A LIMO AND DROVE OFF.
Yeah, then he went to a local school that won an contest from a new company of his, with an appearance by him being first prize. Then he heard about Bill Walsh's sone dying and hopped on plane back to the West Coast.

[Slam]

Linebackers---our main need.......

we have not drafted well at this position and we need to fill 2 spots

[Bucs_palCEO2]

Our biggest let down is across the middle! I would ask hardy to come back for a lower salary and then if improves the defense! I"ll give him an increase next year! Also, If he wants to retire next year bring him back to his old team and allow him to do so!WE owe him at least that much becase he sacrificed a lot for the team back in the day! The biggest plus is he already knows how his position fits in the defensive! The an Ace in the Hole already!
In addition to that I would bring in Keenan Mccardell because he's a proven player not only with his speed but with his hands! you have Big k on one side and little K on the other! Ken Dilger down the middle of the field! Joe in the slot and the mighty pit bull in the back field! That's amean combination! I don't see a defense stopping that! We'll be similar to the Rams because we have thr truth coming off the bench for the 5 reciever! Wynn is another reciever just needed a little more wieght but effective reciever! If I were in the management position I would set a contract up that would benefit the team first players second because you want them to have incentives to do well!

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[I'm an 0-26 Survivor]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Bucs_palCEO2:
[B]Our biggest let down is across the middle! I would ask hardy to come back for a lower salary and then if improves the defense! I"ll give him an increase next year! Also, If he wants to retire next year bring him back to his old team and allow him to do so!WE owe him at least that much becase he sacrificed a lot for the team back in the day!
CEO@:
We don't owe Mo' Money squat.
He left for the cash, and burned a few bridges when he did so. He came, he played, he got P-A-I-D. He went, and he got paid there too. Did he do a good job here? Yeah. Do we owe him anything for it? No. He's got plenty.

[JMBucs81]

I think we should go after mike jones, and Hardy Nickerson

[pdchris_2k]

Okay, this question seems simple, but its really very complex. First of all, lets set down some base truths:
BRAD JOHNSON IS OUR QB. END OF DISCUSSION.
Most of the June 1 free agents are older, but thats the beauty of veterans.
No matter what that one dude says, SAPP IS HERE TO STAY. (DUH!)

QB - Now, Johnson being our QB, we need pass protection. His tendency, as most of us saw last year, is to have a very high accuracy by taking the sack instead of making stupid throws. But, if you give him protection, his recievers have more time to get open, and we score.
RBs - Obviously, Michael Pittman and Mike Alstott, but I'd like to see Aaron Stecker get more playing time (maybe a 3rd down back?).
WR - Keyshawn is excellent, but he needs a good compliment receiver with good speed that can catch (WOW! Guess that rules out Jacquez Green) for him to be at his best. Joe Jurevicious and Keith Poole are good, but they are not the answer. Relying on a rookie (Walker) is not smart at any position. Frank Murphy is a budding talent, but isn't ready to be an impact player yet. Keenan McCardell is the answer. He is aging, yes, but has the good speed and excellent hands to carry him another three or four years. Most people don't know what he can do, as most people would rather watch a winning team like the Rams or the Bucs http://64.159.85.249/ubb/noncgi/smile.gif play instead of watching a team like the Jagwads. He was part of one of the greatest receiving tandems in the last 5 years. The man just has a knack for catching the ball.
TE - Finally an answer! Ken Dilger is the man! He can out block and out catch Dave Moore two times over. He will give Johnson an excellent receiver to check down to, or even more pass protection.
OL - Jeff Christy is a staple at center, and can give the OL the leadership it needs. Kenyatta Walker and Cosey Coleman are great, young players who are only going to get better. Kerry Jenkins, Roman Oben, Jerry Wunsch? Take your pick, the names arent huge, and neither is the skill. Oben and Wunsch are supposed to comete for the RT spot, and Jenkins is expected to step in where Randall McDaniel left off at LG (I doubt that!). The free agent we need to look at here is John Fina, who, at 33, would step in as an immediate starter, but wouldn't be able to play for more than about 3 more years, but in today's NFL, thats plenty. We would, of course, have to tell him that the veteran's minimum would be our maximum. If we don't pick him up, though I have enough blind confidence in Oben or Wunsch to believe that things will take care of themselves at RT.
DL - Sapp, McFarland, Rice, Jones. Nuff said!
OLB - Brooks is awesome. Shelton Quarles is Pretty good.
MLB - What? Nate Webster? Alshermond Singleton? Ummm, no. Although Webster is said to be an extremely emotional player you puts everything into the game and hits very hard.Maybe in a year or two. We definantely need someone here for this year. Nickerson is old, and I would only consider signing him for the min. salary. Allen Aldridge is pretty good and young, so I think we have to pursue him.
CB - Barber and Kelly are great, but its pretty thin after that. Maybe a few young players will step up.
S - I think we are pretty solid here. Jackson and Lynch are great.
K&P - Gramattica is great, and so is Tupa, especially in the fake punt situations. Imagine what he might do with our new risk-taker Coach Gruden!


GO BUCS!!!
This time next year, Warren Sapp will be at a ring fitting.


[This message has been edited by pdchris_2k (edited 06-07-2002).]

[skinny]

Originally posted by Zepp:

here's my theory, our stalls are full, our cap is near bursting and we really don't have space or money for anyone...
so here is the Zepp plan...
Cut Brad Johnson and Rob Johnson, that opens two roster spots and about $4mil cap space...
next, sign Carter and Nickerson... they are old and probably only have one or two seasons left in them, but we wouldn't just be filling roster spaces.


Agreed, Amen, Yes, but too late.

We lost Carter to broadcasting - everyone in the league did. What's with that? Someone tell me. Bad year to be a FA WR I guess. How could everyone see what Rice did last year and not follow up on Carter. Rumours about attitude? Bah. No worse than Terry Glenn. I wouldn't blame Carter for the Viking meltdown - and I wouldn't blame him for getting p*ssed off. I would have thought that Carter would work for less if he had a chance for a ring. But I'm crying over spilt milk - it's done.

Johnsons Brad and Rob are fine, but a) we have King and Hamilton, and a coach to bring them up right and, b) cap room is everything these days.

I mean let's face it - Shaun got us to the Championship (Dilfer style - don't screw up too bad, get at least 3 points, let the D do the rest). Brad needed to do more. He didn't. He could probably make an impact somewhere like Cinncinninninnatti.

By the way - Ray Lewis is a free agent next year, right? Expensive linebacker, but just imagine. If that's the case, maybe Hardy for one season...

(If this sounds ignorant, someone straighten me out. That's why I'm here.)

[BugAhaBuc]

We could possibly use some more depth at middle linebacker, but there's really no one available that's worth really going after.

[OzFreak]

sure it would be great to get more depth in defense, which is much needed. But you can only do so much in one offseason and for what gruden has been able to do is a great achievement. Keep it up Gruden!!

[Innocent3rd]

Keenan

[BBB]

All FA worth anything is long gone by now. The next phase will be towards end of training camp - some quality back-ups may be available then.