ESPN nfl football 2005

[magic-Bucsfan]

ESPN made it official, announced ESPN nfl football 2k5, said release will be in the fall.

heres a link to some info: http://sports.ign.com/articles/509/509821p1.html

looks awesome, sounds awesome.

http://sportsmedia.ign.com/sports/image/espnnfl1_1083192105.jpg

heres another website with some screenshots, it's in spanish or french, though. espn 2K5 screenshots (http://www.xbox-attitude.com/news_affichage.php?id=6400)

[magic-Bucsfan]

heres more screenshots, just click begin slideshow under the bengals pic. http://www.maddenforums.com/cgi-bin/screenshots/fotofolder_pro.cgi?area=0045&fetch=5&slide=f

[CrAsH_oVeRdRiVe]

Wow. Most of those players look juiced up. Good player models none the less...

[magic-Bucsfan]

madden will have a bigger competition than before. graphics are better than madden 2005 to me.

[Cerious]

Everyone ahs a preference for graphics. To me the player models are still too blocky. Take a look at the LG's arms, they're way too skinny for a offensive lineman. The whole look is a bit plastic to me.

[Cerious]

http://images.ea.com/sports/events/maddendraft2005/screens/taylor5.jpg

This is a picture of Madden 2005, Sean Taylor. Look at the detail. Just look at his visor, see the reflection? That's beauty. Look at the stands and the sky....you can even see the lights from the top of FedEx Stadium on Pinkston's helmet. Say what you want about graphics, but this is proof that Madden has addressed graphics this year.

[Cerious]

http://images.ea.com/sports/events/maddendraft2005/screens/roethlisberger11.jpg

Okay here's another shining example. You can really see the difference in player models, the QB, Rb, DT and OG all habe different proportions. Look at that Steeler banner and 3 Rivers Stadium as a whole. Even the ball has great detail!

[magic-Bucsfan]

Originally posted by Cerious
http://images.ea.com/sports/events/maddendraft2005/screens/taylor5.jpg

This is a picture of Madden 2005, Sean Taylor. Look at the detail. Just look at his visor, see the reflection? That's beauty. Look at the stands and the sky....you can even see the lights from the top of FedEx Stadium on Pinkston's helmet. Say what you want about graphics, but this is proof that Madden has addressed graphics this year.

ST looks like he's rubber IMO.

[magic-Bucsfan]

Dudley's jersey looks real in this. IMO

http://ds.net-france.com/www.xbox-attitude.com/images/news/6400_5.jpg

[KrAzYbUc]

ESPN's players are all the same size. I can't stand that. I've never had a problem with Madden's graphics, don't think I ever will. To me, ESPN is closer to NFL Blitz without the cool hits.

[Cerious]

Originally posted by KrAzYbUc
ESPN's players are all the same size. I can't stand that. I've never had a problem with Madden's graphics, don't think I ever will. To me, ESPN is closer to NFL Blitz without the cool hits.

My point exactlly, Look at this:

http://sportsmedia.ign.com/sports/image/espnnfl1_1083192105.jpg

How can Jesse Palmer and all the offensive lineman have the SAME size arms? Then look at how shiny their skin tone is, what'd they do grease up with baby oil before the game? Not bashing ESPN, but everyone raves about the graphics and IMO its overdone.;)

[magic-Bucsfan]

Originally posted by KrAzYbUc
ESPN's players are all the same size. I can't stand that. I've never had a problem with Madden's graphics, don't think I ever will. To me, ESPN is closer to NFL Blitz without the cool hits.

it's a lot closer to madden than blitz. the o-line and d-lines arms should be bigger though. and wonder why espn 2k3 got better ratings than madden 2k4?

[Cerious]

Originally posted by magic-Bucsfan
it's a lot closer to madden than blitz. the o-line and d-lines arms should be bigger though. and wonder why espn 2k3 got better ratings than madden 2k4?

You mean ESPN 2K4 right? Depends on what site rated the game. Almost every site I visited had Madden Rank slightly higher, but gave ESPN the edge when it came to graphics. I will admit ESPN's graphics were better last year. This year is a different story. EA put a lot of work into sharpening their graphics and it shows:

http://images.ea.com/sports/events/maddendraft2005/screens/vilma12.jpg

You say St looked like rubber? Look at the detail on the muscles of both Vilma and Rickly Williams in this shot. Rubber in what way?

[magic-Bucsfan]

Originally posted by Cerious
You mean ESPN 2K4 right? Depends on what site rated the game. Almost every site I visited had Madden Rank slightly higher, but gave ESPN the edge when it came to graphics. I will admit ESPN's graphics were better last year. This year is a different story. EA put a lot of work into sharpening their graphics and it shows:

http://images.ea.com/sports/events/maddendraft2005/screens/vilma12.jpg

You say St looked like rubber? Look at the detail on the muscles of both Vilma and Rickly Williams in this shot. Rubber in what way?

xbob magazine did. espn 2k4 had like a 9.2, Madden 2k4 had a 8.9. if espn could just fix the arm thing... in rubber, they're elow joints look like rubber, the just bend over, it doesn't look solid, it's perfectly round and rubbery looking.

[Cerious]

Originally posted by magic-Bucsfan
xbob magazine did. espn 2k4 had like a 9.2, Madden 2k4 had a 8.9. if espn could just fix the arm thing... in rubber, they're elow joints look like rubber, the just bend over, it doesn't look solid, it's perfectly round and rubbery looking.

You can't even see ST's elbow joints (they're covered by wristbands) to make that claim.

http://images.ea.com/sports/events/maddendraft2005/screens/vilma12.jpghttp://sportsmedia.ign.com/sports/image/espnnfl1_1083192105.jpg

The detail around the elbows on both of the above pictures are exactly the same. Look at Vilmas left arm versus Palmers right arm, the positions of the muscles groups are exactly the same. That rubberman claim was from last year game...I don't see it in 2005.

[magic-Bucsfan]

vilmas muscles/arms aren't that big though.

[Cerious]

http://images.ea.com/sports/events/maddendraft2005/screens/jackson24.jpg

More elbow joints for you to examine. Vilmas arms are that big in proportion to a RB, if he were standing next to a Lineman his arms would look smaller. Refer to the Steelers vs. Jets picture above and you'll see the difference in arm sizes.

[magic-Bucsfan]

wrong pic. but look at faulks left arm, looks kina odd in the middle of it.

[Cerious]

Originally posted by magic-Bucsfan
wrong pic. but look at faulks left arm, looks kina odd in the middle of it.

It's not the wrong picture, i just wanted to give you another example. There's nothing odd or round about Stephen Jackson's arm in this pic. If you look at yourself in the mirror holding your arm the same way it'd look pretty much the same. Neither games graphics are perfect renditions or real life either, but both do a great job in replicating physical details.

Edit: I might add that this is just ONE frame in the game, look at the Cardinals player's arms at the elbow. Its done perfectly, what more could you want?

[magic-Bucsfan]

Originally posted by Cerious
It's not the wrong picture, i just wanted to give you another example. There's nothing odd or round about Stephen Jackson's arm in this pic. If you look at yourself in the mirror holding your arm the same way it'd look pretty much the same. Neither games graphics are perfect renditions or real life either, but both do a great job in replicating physical details.

Edit: I might add that this is just ONE frame in the game, look at the Cardinals player's arms at the elbow. Its done perfectly, what more could you want?

Sj's facemask looks like it's painted on. i wish espn would just fix the arms. and espn has a maximum tackle option, similat to madden's hot stick, you can go for a big tackle/hit.

[magic-Bucsfan]

Originally posted by Cerious
It's not the wrong picture, i just wanted to give you another example. There's nothing odd or round about Stephen Jackson's arm in this pic. If you look at yourself in the mirror holding your arm the same way it'd look pretty much the same. Neither games graphics are perfect renditions or real life either, but both do a great job in replicating physical details.

Edit: I might add that this is just ONE frame in the game, look at the Cardinals player's arms at the elbow. Its done perfectly, what more could you want?

his viens are popping out like those body builders, the ones who pose in contsts.

[Cerious]

Originally posted by magic-Bucsfan
Sj's facemask looks like it's painted on. i wish espn would just fix the arms. and espn has a maximum tackle option, similat to madden's hot stick, you can go for a big tackle/hit.

Look you can find problems with any game, I've said that ESPN's face masks have looked painted too. The point is that Madden has stepped up its game, I don't think you can really deny that. ESPN should do more than just fix the arms, they need to fix the body sizes/models. Right now the only difference you can tell between players is their height.

Isn't it weird that ESPN somehow came out with the same feature that Madden has? :D Hit Stick or Max tackle, we should all be having a lot of fun this year....

[Cerious]

Originally posted by magic-Bucsfan
his viens are popping out like those body builders, the ones who pose in contsts.

Yeah, but you won't find that on every player. Again more detail, some players are more ripped than others and EA has taken note of players like Boston and TO and have given them a more ripped look. Cool huh?

[magic-Bucsfan]

Originally posted by Cerious
Yeah, but you won't find that on every player. Again more detail, some players are more ripped than others and EA has taken note of players like Boston and TO and have given them a more ripped look. Cool huh?

madden does have more body detal, but I like espn's gameplay better.

[Cerious]

Originally posted by magic-Bucsfan
madden does have more body detal, but I like espn's gameplay better.

I think both games do certain things better than the other as far as game play goes. Madden has superior control over players and plays with a great game engine based on real physics. ESPN does a better good running the football as players will "get skinny" to squeeze through holes in the line rather than get stuck behind a lineman.

Personally I think its great that ESPN has stepped it up, because it forces Madden to get better. After last years battle I think so far we've seen both games improve in key areas. Hopefully we find out more about the improvements in the weeks leading up to E3 when both games will be unveiled.

[magic-Bucsfan]

where's ellis's neck?http://sportsmedia.ign.com/sports/image/Losman_Bills1_1083262448.jpg

[magic-Bucsfan]

look at #37's left arm, why is it dislocated?

http://sportsmedia.ign.com/sports/image/madden05_02_1081294551.jpg

[Cerious]

Underneath his helmet? I don't know, maybe he wears his shoulder pads with a higher shelf than other players, which would cover his neck. Like I said you could find flaws on any given frame. But realize that you wouldn't even notice it while playing the game unless you went back to replay and looked for graphic glitches.

[magic-Bucsfan]

Originally posted by Cerious
Underneath his helmet? I don't know, maybe he wears his shoulder pads with a higher shelf than other players, which would cover his neck. Like I said you could find flaws on any given frame. But realize that you wouldn't even notice it while playing the game unless you went back to replay and looked for graphic glitches.

you wouldn't relize espn's arms, either, while playing it.

[Cerious]

Originally posted by magic-Bucsfan
look at #37's left arm, why is it dislocated?

http://sportsmedia.ign.com/sports/image/madden05_02_1081294551.jpg

Why does Jesse Palmer look like he's about to take off and fly with those wings?

http://sportsmedia.ign.com/sports/image/espnnfl1_1083192105.jpg

[Cerious]

Originally posted by magic-Bucsfan
you wouldn't relize espn's arms, either, while playing it.

Yes you would, you would notice that all the players have the same body size, arms included. The body size is not a glitch in the frame rate. You're going to notice that your offensive line have the same proportions as you Qb and Rb.

[magic-Bucsfan]

it's called shoulder pads. and every game has a glitch, everthing not perfect. you wouldn't notice it in a game.

[magic-Bucsfan]

Originally posted by Cerious
Yes you would, you would notice that all the players have the same body size, arms included. The body size is not a glitch in the frame rate. You're going to notice that your offensive line have the same proportions as you Qb and Rb.

the waists and chests are different, it's just the arms. and the o-lines arm are a little bigger.

[Cerious]

http://sportsmedia.ign.com/sports/image/fitzespn_1083262291.jpg

Here's anothe classic example of body size and skin textures. Tell me you can tell the differenc3e between the Lb and Db in the background. You can't. NOw look at the skin texture of Archuletta's arm. Now look at his pants. Notice something? Both look like plastic! The details on this game are great in some aspects but terrible in others.

[magic-Bucsfan]

Originally posted by Cerious
http://sportsmedia.ign.com/sports/image/fitzespn_1083262291.jpg

Here's anothe classic example of body size and skin textures. Tell me you can tell the differenc3e between the Lb and Db in the background. You can't. NOw look at the skin texture of Archuletta's arm. Now look at his pants. Notice something? Both look like plastic! The details on this game are great in some aspects but terrible in others.

don't look plastic to me. and the cardinals guy's pants don't look plastic at all.

[Cerious]

Here's a good example of skin textures and Body models:

http://images.ea.com/sports/events/maddendraft2005/screens/tubbs23.jpg

Notice the difference between a ripped DT and a flabby OL. Notice the skin tone on Marcus Tubbs, you can almost see the hairs on his arms :eek:

[Cerious]

Originally posted by magic-Bucsfan
don't look plastic to me. and the cardinals guy's pants don't look plastic at all.

Have you ever seen the Rams in shiny pants? No. :rolleyes: I didn't say Fitzgerald pants were shiny, but his arms are. This is a bad example of light reflection. The sun should not reflect off of arms or pants, i should reflect off of their helmets. That's bad programming.

[magic-Bucsfan]

Originally posted by Cerious
Here's a good example of skin textures and Body models:

http://images.ea.com/sports/events/maddendraft2005/screens/tubbs23.jpg

Notice the difference between a ripped DT and a flabby OL. Notice the skin tone on Marcus Tubbs, you can almost see the hairs on his arms :eek:

no one in the NFL has viens like that, look at the seahawks guy's arms, popping viens everywhere.

[Cerious]

Originally posted by magic-Bucsfan
no one in the NFL has viens like that, look at the seahawks guy's arms, popping viens everywhere.

Lots of players arms are ripped just like that. Heck, my arms look like that when I'm lifting weights. It's very realistic. And the fact that not every player has ripped arms makes it even more realistic.

[magic-Bucsfan]

Originally posted by Cerious
Lots of players arms are ripped just like that. Heck, my arms look like that when I'm lifting weights. It's very realistic. And the fact that not every player has ripped arms makes it even more realistic.

is he liftinf weights? NO. i never saw an nfl players arms that ripped with that many viens.

[Cerious]

Originally posted by magic-Bucsfan
is he liftinf weights? NO. i never saw an nfl players arms that ripped with that many viens.

Then, you've never seen David Boston? Terrell Owens? Rickey Williams? All have crazy veins on their forearms.

[magic-Bucsfan]

Originally posted by Cerious
Then, you've never seen David Boston? Terrell Owens? Rickey Williams? All have crazy veins on their forearms.

pittman does also, but not that crazy.

[Frenzy Bucs 47]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Cerious
[B]It's not the wrong picture, i just wanted to give you another example. There's nothing odd or round about Stephen Jackson's arm in this pic. If you look at yourself in the mirror holding your arm the same way it'd look pretty much the same. Neither games graphics are perfect renditions or real life either, but both do a great job in replicating physical details.

Faulk ???:confused: No it's Stephen Jackson 34.. Faulk's 28

[Phantom2k4]

Originally posted by Cerious
http://sportsmedia.ign.com/sports/image/fitzespn_1083262291.jpg

Here's anothe classic example of body size and skin textures. Tell me you can tell the differenc3e between the Lb and Db in the background. You can't. NOw look at the skin texture of Archuletta's arm. Now look at his pants. Notice something? Both look like plastic! The details on this game are great in some aspects but terrible in others.

Archuleta's socks also look bad

[Cerious]

Originally posted by Frenzy Bucs 47
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Cerious
[B]It's not the wrong picture, i just wanted to give you another example. There's nothing odd or round about Stephen Jackson's arm in this pic. If you look at yourself in the mirror holding your arm the same way it'd look pretty much the same. Neither games graphics are perfect renditions or real life either, but both do a great job in replicating physical details.

Faulk ???:confused: No it's Stephen Jackson 34.. Faulk's 28

What? Look at the post you qouted, I said it was Jackson in the picture not Faulk.

[Fantasyplayer87]

It looks fake when compairing to madden:
ESPN:
http://sportsmedia.ign.com/sports/image/espnnfl1_1083192105.jpg

Madden:

http://images.ea.com/sports/events/maddendraft2005/screens/taylor5.jpg

http://img47.photobucket.com/albums/v145/johnnybuc/post-2-1080915922.gif

[Fantasyplayer87]

Madden:

http://images.ea.com/sports/events/maddendraft2005/screens/perry26.jpg

ESPN:

http://www.gametab.com/images/ss/03/ps2/1650-6.jpg

[KrAzYbUc]

madden looks so much better.

[magic-Bucsfan]

Originally posted by Fantasyplayer87
Madden:

http://images.ea.com/sports/events/maddendraft2005/screens/perry26.jpg

ESPN:

http://www.gametab.com/images/ss/03/ps2/1650-6.jpg

bengals guy's arm looks dislocated.

[magic-Bucsfan]

Originally posted by Fantasyplayer87
It looks fake when compairing to madden:
ESPN:
http://sportsmedia.ign.com/sports/image/espnnfl1_1083192105.jpg

Madden:

http://images.ea.com/sports/events/maddendraft2005/screens/taylor5.jpg

http://img47.photobucket.com/albums/v145/johnnybuc/post-2-1080915922.gif

# 26's helmet and head are too big. his arms are bending like rubber. looks like bobble head mode.

[Fantasyplayer87]

Originally posted by magic-Bucsfan
# 26's helmet and head are too big. his arms are bending like rubber. looks like bobble head mode.

Whatever....I will take Madden over ESPN anyday. I have played them both...and Gameday

[Frenzy Bucs 47]

Originally posted by Cerious
What? Look at the post you qouted, I said it was Jackson in the picture not Faulk.

ahh.. Sorry my bad. I misread it...:eek:

[njdshady2001]

That first Espn pic (bengals Oline is the very FIRST pic released....the jus started and threw that together

[magic-Bucsfan]

Originally posted by njdshady2001
That first Espn pic (bengals Oline is the very FIRST pic released....the jus started and threw that together

yeah, ya'll ESPN haters, wait till the real thing comes out, it'll be better than ya think.

[Fantasyplayer87]

Originally posted by magic-Bucsfan
yeah, ya'll ESPN haters, wait till the real thing comes out, it'll be better than ya think.

You can't touch madden. Trust me I couldn't care less what game we got when we switched from PS1 to PS2. Gameday was the only game we played. But the PS2 version had a bunch of glitches. I mean killer glitches. So we rented all the different games. And Madden from the graphics to the features to the user interface, won us over easily. And that was formed from a non-biased state of mind.

[TBRyan21]

I've been playin madden since 1991... other than tecmo superbowl, madden has been the best football game every year... I just got an xbox a few months ago.. cannot wait for madden2k5

[TBRyan21]

Madden 97

http://www.gen-1.net/snes/img_2/maddenfootball97_.jpg

It's come a LONG way in 9 years, hasn't it ?

[magic-Bucsfan]

look at # 25's arm.

http://images.ea.com/sports/events/maddendraft2005/screens/jones30.jpg

[magic-Bucsfan]

ray lewis looks like a kid in this pic.


http://www.ebgames.com/gmspImages/24/242149/eb/pt_screen170.jpg

[All_da_way]

You people need to get a life if y'all are arguing over minor differences in graphics. Both games boast incredible graphics.

P.S. ESPN 2K5's gameplay is going to rule. :p :p :p :p

[magic-Bucsfan]

look at mannings shadow. also, he looks blocky.

http://images.ea.com/sports/events/maddendraft2005/screens/manning1.jpg

[magic-Bucsfan]

awesome graphics, check out link.

espn screens (http://media.xbox.ign.com/media/674/674666/imgs_1.html)

[magic-Bucsfan]

read this article about post game interviews and more.

http://sports.ign.com/articles/510/510528p1.html

i'm reading this article, and says you can assign td celebrations to a player, there are 50! you can chose to do the worm.

[KrAzYbUc]

get a life kid, espn football sucks donkey balls.

[magic-Bucsfan]

Originally posted by KrAzYbUc
get a life kid, espn football sucks donkey balls.

you're just mad cause you know it's better. look at espn's shadows, the maddens, what ones look more real? and madden looks like bobble head and rubber mode. or sucky mode, read the article, it tells all the futures.

[Tamara]

Originally posted by Cerious
My point exactlly, Look at this:

http://sportsmedia.ign.com/sports/image/espnnfl1_1083192105.jpg

How can Jesse Palmer and all the offensive lineman have the SAME size arms? Then look at how shiny their skin tone is, what'd they do grease up with baby oil before the game? Not bashing ESPN, but everyone raves about the graphics and IMO its overdone.;)

I think you mean Carson Palmer, not Jesse the Bachelor. :)

[KrAzYbUc]

well i guess because the article says its better it must be better. and the shadows are such a key component in the game. i always watch the shadows. yaaaaaay.

[CrAsH_oVeRdRiVe]

Originally posted by magic-Bucsfan
awesome graphics, check out link.

espn screens (http://media.xbox.ign.com/media/674/674666/imgs_1.html)

Well the faces are leaps and bounds over Madden... but the rest of the body is horrible in those screens. The jersies look like they're made of rubber... and bodies. I was impressed at first but these new shots just made it look worse.

[magic-Bucsfan]

madden's figures look rubber. oh, and something called gameplay... ESPN has a lot better gameplay.

[magic-Bucsfan]

Originally posted by KrAzYbUc
well i guess because the article says its better it must be better. and the shadows are such a key component in the game. i always watch the shadows. yaaaaaay.

the shadows is just 1 detail. ESPN is better in gameplay and graphics. you can't turn on a dime anymore, they added momentum. and the presentation is awesome, read the article by clicking on the link i posted earlier, has a lot of details.

[Cerious]

Originally posted by magic-Bucsfan
the shadows is just 1 detail. ESPN is better in gameplay and graphics. you can't turn on a dime anymore, they added momentum. and the presentation is awesome, read the article by clicking on the link i posted earlier, has a lot of details.

Listen, we could go on and on about which game is better. The point is this for the last two years the Gaming industry has said that Madden was losing ground when compared to ESPN'S graphics and presentation, Madden's graphics have improved drastically over last year's edition. ESPN's gameplay has never been as good or as indepth as Madden, but if they have made improvements then kudos to them. I think these games will again be neck and neck, but you just won't convince many people to change games.

[magic-Bucsfan]

Originally posted by Cerious
Listen, we could go on and on about which game is better. The point is this for the last two years the Gaming industry has said that Madden was losing ground when compared to ESPN'S graphics and presentation, Madden's graphics have improved drastically over last year's edition. ESPN's gameplay has never been as good or as indepth as Madden, but if they have made improvements then kudos to them. I think these games will again be neck and neck, but you just won't convince many people to change games.

maximum tackle, momentum like madden, awesome presentation. that's my point, cerious, madden fans are so hard headed. they think they are too good to even try espn.

[Cerious]

Originally posted by magic-Bucsfan
maximum tackle, momentum like madden, awesome presentation. that's my point, cerious, madden fans are so hard headed. they think they are too good to even try espn.

I've read about all the improvements, it's cool that they're keeping the competition levels up because it forces Madden to improve. NOt all Madden fans are hard headed, but most like Madden and aren't going to change. I've played ESPN and I wasn't impressed. That's my opinion and I. like other Madden fans, don't need anyone to tell me what I like....;).

[magic-Bucsfan]

Originally posted by Cerious
I've read about all the improvements, it's cool that they're keeping the competition levels up because it forces Madden to improve. NOt all Madden fans are hard headed, but most like Madden and aren't going to change. I've played ESPN and I wasn't impressed. That's my opinion and I. like other Madden fans, don't need anyone to tell me what I like....;).

well, most madden fans are hard headed, I tried Madden, IMO, espn's graphics were better, had more realism-except the momentum thing, and controls / physics. and I bet Madden sales will drop some when john madden's contract expires. some people like just because it's a big name. espn may get him.

[Ballin_Since_76]

Originally posted by magic-Bucsfan
ray lewis looks like a kid in this pic.


http://www.ebgames.com/gmspImages/24/242149/eb/pt_screen170.jpg

thatd be peter boulware...:D

[Sortin]

LOL!

I can remember when I wished player numbers (names would soon follow) could be shown on jerseys. Seems SO long ago. Now people bicker about vein detail, elbow shape, facemask reflection, etc.

Just take a step back, and try to appreciate what is there.

Ok, back to picking apart the graphics.

[Cerious]

Originally posted by magic-Bucsfan
well, most madden fans are hard headed, I tried Madden, IMO, espn's graphics were better, had more realism-except the momentum thing, and controls / physics. and I bet Madden sales will drop some when john madden's contract expires. some people like just because it's a big name. espn may get him.

I can just as easily say ESPN fans are hard headed. I've played Virtual Concepts football games since the original NFL 2K with the Dreamcast. I was a huge fan, until I played Madden on the PS2. IMO, madden is and always will be more realistic. Momentum, controls and physics are the biggest parts of realism when it comes to a football game my friend. Add to the best realism, a deep franchise mode and the ability to import real college players from "NCAA Football" and Madden can't be touched. This year Madden improved it's graphics and hopefully its game presentation, which were it's only flaws from last season. IMO, Madden will still be king and most of the people who left due to graphics and presentation will be come back this season (they'll probably buy both games).

Oh, and I doubt Madden will leave a lucrative contract with EA and a game with his own name on the cover. ESPN has it's own image with Chris Berman and the rest of the ESPN broadcast crew, bringing in Madden wouldn't correspond with the true ESPN image.

[magic-Bucsfan]

Originally posted by Cerious
I can just as easily say ESPN fans are hard headed. I've played Virtual Concepts football games since the original NFL 2K with the Dreamcast. I was a huge fan, until I played Madden on the PS2. IMO, madden is and always will be more realistic. Momentum, controls and physics are the biggest parts of realism when it comes to a football game my friend. Add to the best realism, a deep franchise mode and the ability to import real college players from "NCAA Football" and Madden can't be touched. This year Madden improved it's graphics and hopefully its game presentation, which were it's only flaws from last season. IMO, Madden will still be king and most of the people who left due to graphics and presentation will be come back this season (they'll probably buy both games).

Oh, and I doubt Madden will leave a lucrative contract with EA and a game with his own name on the cover. ESPN has it's own image with Chris Berman and the rest of the ESPN broadcast crew, bringing in Madden wouldn't correspond with the true ESPN image.

Maddens contract is up after 2005. i know one thing madden has over espn, Franchise. oh, and viens.:D