Which quarterback fared best Monday night? [Archive] - Official Bulletin Board of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

CrashBAT38

08-13-2002, 12:16 AM

Shaun King.
He moved, he passed, he was accurate. He made plays.
Just imagine what he would do if he had Keyshawn to pass too, Christy to block for him, and Alstott to hand off too. But he did an awesome job with Stephens and Walker.
I want to see Shaun take more snaps with the 1st team!

A-Train

08-13-2002, 01:02 AM

king cause he had more time to present himself.

bjohnson1468

08-13-2002, 06:30 AM

Originally posted by Zepp
Rob did get a TD, but King threw for 70% and also had a 9.3 yd per carry running avg

I'm gonna have to go with King. as for Brad, 40% 1.6 ypa... and he's the one most of ya'll are cheering for... watupwidat

did you see the game game? Brad was precision passing. he made all the right passes. Keenan dropped the ball (i would have too being hit that hard) there was pass interference against Pittman. also he got rid of the ball perfectly against zach thomas' rush. also add in the fact that he was passing against the Miami pass defense. he looked solid last night as usual.

NZBuccFan

08-13-2002, 06:49 AM

In my opinion I thought Shawn King looked better than R Johnson, (Brad looked like he should be the starter though). I really hate it seeing a qb on our team get sacked when he should've thrown the ball away.

SoCarolinaBuc

08-13-2002, 07:18 AM

Brad - To me, Brad looked sort of sluggish out there. He wasn't moving around very well, but he did get rid of the ball, something Rob wasn't able to get a firm grasp of.

Rob - He's gonna kill himself if he holds onto the ball like it's the Holy Grail. I didn't see any reason for his two sacks, as he could have thrown the ball away both times.

Shawn - Shawn looked good, creating things out of nothing, plus two scrambles off to the right sideline. That, to me, is almost more important then arm capacity in today's game, is the ability to make the play work, even if no recievers are open.

IMHO, Shawn looked the best, but, as was mentioned before, Preseason is not a very good way to gauge talent or progress. Neverthless, a good game, and what looks to be a great season.

Go Bucs!

rochesterbucs

08-13-2002, 08:05 AM

Originally posted by PewterPower
I'd say Rob.... but Shaun did good with running the clock down though. Still, preseason is rough as a gauge. Try this topic again after game 3 preseason.

Agreed - to early to get a real feel.

BADBOY99

08-13-2002, 11:10 AM

If I had to rate our qb's on lastnight performance it would go in this order:

1. R. Johnson
2. B. Johnson
3. S. King

Brad will do a better job out next week I promise you!!!!

nebbuc

08-13-2002, 11:18 AM

I thought at times Rob Johnson looked great... At times he looked like Buffalo ROb... Shaun King looked good.. Didnt see Brad enough to get an opinion on him....

Over the bucs looked good!

skinny

08-13-2002, 12:20 PM

Yeah, I "saw" the game on internet radio (Miami local radio). So I didn't see much. I got a question -

1) When R. Johnson got sacked twice in three plays, what's the deal there? On one of them the announcers said that Wunsch was "discarded" by the rusher. What should we read into that?

a) R. Johnson still holding the ball too long? (bad omen for this year.)

b) Wunsch and 2nd team OL not that good? (explanation for last year.)

From what I could tell from the stats, none of our QBs "distinguished themselves". More pre-season required.

calipirate

08-13-2002, 12:26 PM

Way too brief of an appearance by Brad to have an opinion. I saw two dropped passes (Pittman should have cought that one over the middle).

Rob is very intriguing, he looks good out there but we can't have someone taking unnecessary sacks. Sacks kill drives almost every time.

Shaun King was good scrambling and moved the ball at times (I like the fourth quarter drive that ate up a lot of the clock) but he wasn't able to cash it in.

buccnskip

08-13-2002, 12:50 PM

Brad was alright.......seemed a bit rusty but it's gotta be tough to get back into the grove. Rob was great early but should've chucked the ball away on that first down sack for sure. The other two sacks were questionable on the line holding. He is definitely healed and can still pass with incredible accuracy and run (Brad sure can't). King didn't impress me much at all but his line seemed to be 2nd stringers and rookies too.
All in all the game was not a good measure for any of the 3 quarterbacks but my vote for a starter as of now, if there was one, would be for Rob Johnson. His problem in Buffalo was a terrible line that couldn't defend any QB no matter how quick or mobile he may be. If the Bucs line holds, he will get the job done.:D

bocaj205

08-13-2002, 01:39 PM

I have to go with shaun he not only had a passing attack but he also had the nice running attack

jumps38

08-13-2002, 01:49 PM

I thought all the Qb's did very well:

Brad: Not enough playing time to judge how good he will do with this new offense. Dropped balls didn't help him

Rob: Did very well on first series but slipped after that. Sacked two many times, Didn't help him

Shaun: Looked very good at times, ran the ball when nothing was there. Nice throw to the WR in the end zone, should of had that one. Probably would have looked much better with the first team offense rather than 2nd and 3rd.

IMO: Shaun King did a better job but ask again after the 3rd game

Go Bucs:cool:

dbucfan

08-13-2002, 02:01 PM

I thought all three looked weak overall, with each having moments when their play was better. To rate based on the first preseason game seems silly, but if one has to it would be:

Shaun, Brad, Rob -

romanianbuccaneer

08-13-2002, 03:44 PM

Brad Johnson did the best and will contnue to do so in the regular season, when it counts!

Rob Johnson did good scrambling on bootlegs and passing on the run. He however still thinks that he's in Buffalo and needs to get sacked at least three times a game. Dammit Rob throw the ball away sometime, out of bounds I mean.

Shaun King did very well with 2nd and 3rd string players. He was also playing against 2nd and 3rd string players though. So maybe next preseason game King and Rob should change spots and we will have a better idea of who the 2nd string QB will be.

BUCMANN69

08-13-2002, 03:51 PM

I BELIEVE BRAD DID THE BEST IN HIS SHORT TIME . HE WAS ACCURATE, DIDNT HOLD THE BALL TOO LONG, WENT 2 FOR 5 BUT HAD TWO DROPS AND ONE PASS INTERFERENCE NO CALL. ROB IS STILL A BIT INCONSISTENT BUT WILL GET BETTER UNDER GRUDEN, SHAUN ALSO WILL IMPROVE AND IS STILL A PLAYMAKER. SHOULD MAKE FOR AN INTERESTING SEASON, GO BUCS.

garydunn

08-13-2002, 04:03 PM

I saw all 3 QB's looking good.

Brad Johnson looked fine 2 completions, 2 dropped balls and a pass interference that should have been called. I did want to see Brad throw a long ball but I think that is being witheld till the start of the season.

Rob Johnson looked very good on his passing. He broke out of the pocket sometimes a little early and when he ran the ball he could have ran a safer route and slid. He took to many shots and the line had some problems keeping him safe from sacks.

Shawn King looked smooth on his long ball into the endzone which was stripped. He passed very well and ran out of the pocket excellent. Good job

We have 3 great quarterbacks. I feel confident with any of these guys leading our Bucs team.

Bucamaniac40

08-13-2002, 04:36 PM

Originally posted by BUCMANN69
I BELIEVE BRAD DID THE BEST IN HIS SHORT TIME . HE WAS ACCURATE, DIDNT HOLD THE BALL TOO LONG, WENT 2 FOR 5 BUT HAD TWO DROPS AND ONE PASS INTERFERENCE NO CALL. ROB IS STILL A BIT INCONSISTENT BUT WILL GET BETTER UNDER GRUDEN, SHAUN ALSO WILL IMPROVE AND IS STILL A PLAYMAKER. SHOULD MAKE FOR AN INTERESTING SEASON, GO BUCS. Totaly agree,Brad was on target,drops aren't his fault,He'll be there as the sstarting Qb in the Super Bowl!

madden2003

08-13-2002, 06:08 PM

Good luck with rob johnson,youwill need it.i watched him here in buffalo but all he did was get sacked,sacked and sacked again lol......You will be better off with brad or shaun trust me i have seen rob johnson and i know what he is all about.He cant read defenses as he is the most sacked qb of all time, over here in buffalo he made guest appereances , posing as a qb lol................Go with brad johnson or shaun king.......

madden2003

08-13-2002, 08:06 PM

I know its only preseason but rob is saving his best sack performance for the regular season where he gets about nine or ten, close your eyes tampa fans this will get ugly,you will get sick of watching football,rob johnson does that for you.

MOWSER

08-13-2002, 08:43 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by SoCarolinaBuc
[B]Brad - To me, Brad looked sort of sluggish out there. He wasn't moving around very well, but he did get rid of the ball, something Rob wasn't able to get a firm grasp of.

Rob - He's gonna kill himself if he holds onto the ball like it's the Holy Grail. I didn't see any reason for his two sacks, as he could have thrown the ball away both times.

Shawn - Shawn looked good, creating things out of nothing, plus two scrambles off to the right sideline. That, to me, is almost more important then arm capacity in today's game, is the ability to make the play work, even if no recievers are open.

IMHO, Shawn looked the best, but, as was mentioned before, Preseason is not a very good way to gauge talent or progress. Neverthless, a good game, and what looks to be a great season.

I agree!!! Great game!!! GO BUCS!!!

Chucky

08-13-2002, 09:31 PM

Rob looked good on his first couple of series. Man, I was thinking he would be the starter for sure. King had a few good runs, though. Plus, King-Haters, Gruden said he thought King ould be in Tampa for a long time.

JMBucs81

08-13-2002, 11:38 PM

i thought king did the best he showed good pasing ability and smarts if he would have had mcCardel and johnson with him he would have done awesome!

BORIBUC

08-14-2002, 12:17 AM

There's no doubt in my mind that Brad Johnson is going to be the starter when the season begins. As for Rob Johnson, I'm still trying to understand why we brought him here. The guy cannot win. He has a losing record. And what's with a lot of people saying he took Buffalo to the playoffs. I DON'T THINK SO. Flutie got them in to the playoffs & then Wade Phillips (the moron) decided to start Rob Johnson for the wild card playoff game which they lost to Tennessee. And I truly believe that if Flutie would have been playing throughout those playoffs, it would've been Buffalo vs. St. Louis that year, instead of Tennessee vs. St. Louis. Well anyway, as far as Shaun King is concerned, he's going to be the future of this franchise, so they(the bucs organization) better sign him to extension now before he decides he wants to be a free agent & goes elsewhere to win a Super Bowl.
To make my point: 1) Get rid of Rob Johnson
2) Start Brad Johnson this year & see what
happens
3) Sign King to an extension & he'll start in a
couple of years, shoot maybe even next year.

To answer the question I think Shaun King did the best Monday night. Like everyone else is saying, imagine what he could do with the first team offense we have now. Coach Gruden should let him start in one of the preseason games to see how he does. You never know, he might have to name a new starting QB for the season opener.

GO BUCS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dr. Evil

08-14-2002, 01:09 AM

I personally like all three, but Brad is the best of the bunch. No question. As for his scrambling ability, that is like saying Allen Iverson is a better point guard than John Stockton or Jason Kidd because he's a better scorer. A point guard's main job is to pass. A quarterback's main job is to make good decisions and THROW.
Wait, maybe all of you Bradbashers are right. I think we should bench Alstott and Pittman. They have lousy throwing arms.:rolleyes:

bearsr

08-14-2002, 04:27 AM

Shaun King played the best !

A seasoned veteran like Brad when he had 1st and goal at the 18 yd line should have engineered the team to an easy score !

Rob could be great under the tutor of Gruden !

FriendlyFr47

08-14-2002, 06:55 AM

You can't make an accurate comparison when one plays two series, one plays a quarter, and one plays a half. That being said, I'll agree with our head coach on who had the best game. (not King) ;)

pappagooch1

08-14-2002, 11:17 AM

Rob looked awsome and horrible. The touchdown drive was fantastic and had me thinking that (at that point)he would most definitly dethrone ole Brad boy. But we definitly got the big picture with that guy... flares of greatness and horrible decision making. what a mixed bag he is...

Shaun looked like Shaun but I must admit that we have no depth on our O-line. The Miami b.u. defenders swarmed through our b.u. o-line like no one was there. I think he fared well with what he had to work with and I loved that deep pass attempt...

Brad, accurate as hell but it's hard to tell how he will fare with only a couple of series observed. Hopefully the media is right in stating that Gruden will devise his game plan around the strict pocket passer that Brad is...

bucsnfcc

08-14-2002, 12:25 PM

Originally posted by bjohnson1468

did you see the game game? Brad was precision passing. he made all the right passes. Keenan dropped the ball (i would have too being hit that hard) there was pass interference against Pittman. also he got rid of the ball perfectly against zach thomas' rush. also add in the fact that he was passing against the Miami pass defense. he looked solid last night as usual.

Yes Brad made some real accurate throws so to evaluate Brad u would have to payed attention to the game and not look at his stats.... I really didnt like any of the QBs performances b/c I know all 3 could have done better with the depth they had in there.

Buccaneer Phil

08-14-2002, 12:42 PM

Good comments guys on the three QBs, however, at this point I don't think it means anything who was better the first time out, especially with our apparent starting QB only seeing limited action this time. My overall opinion on Monday's outing:

Brad: Good thinking, one poor delivery avoiding a sack, not enough time to get into a rythym.

Rob: More athletic than Brad, held the ball too long ( he will get killed out there at this rate ), need help with decision-making.

Shaun: More athletic than both, however he was running for his life too many times with our 2nd-3rd string group vs their 2nd-3rd string group. Possibly some work with the 1st string would tell more. An exciting player to be sure.

More importantly, why did the first string O-Line stay for the whole first half?

shadow13

08-14-2002, 01:06 PM

All three guys played well. In reality though Brad is still the starter. I still have some question about Rob. How many years does it take before he learns to get rid of the ball? Not only does it set the team back because of loss of down and yardage, it just means an extra ambulance or two will have to be on duty everytime Rob is in the backfield. I guess that means there will be some extra jobs in the Paramedic field in Tampa. Rob has a great arm but until he learns to stop taking the sack, Shaun King should be the back up QB. Just my three cents.

aBucnTrucker

08-14-2002, 03:50 PM

I think Shaun Played very well,Rob looked great at times but the sacks must stop.As for Brad not enough time on the field for a good evaluation.:)

Bucnfear

08-14-2002, 04:32 PM

This is not a fair question. All three showed good and bad. I think if you could put King's brain into R. Johnson's body you would have one hell osf a quarterback. If Rob Johnson always plays the way he did on Monday night he better not play much or I wll pull out what little hair I do have. What potential!! What a bonehead !!!!!

marshmallow12

08-14-2002, 05:17 PM

you cant judge a QB on two series, so we should just say,, who played better, king or rob? Id say king, kiven he was playing with a bunch of guys that wont even make the team. At least rob got to play with half decent second stringers.

burtonhoff

08-14-2002, 05:54 PM

Originally posted by buccaneer bobb
rob johnson. his mobility bought him extra time to get rid of the ball. brad is a pure pocket qb which will get him sacked more plus rob can run better than brad.

I find that quote kind of ironic since rob took three sacks and they comented how gruden would rather him either get rid of it quicker or run his happy *** out of bounds so he can maybe finish a season. He's been knocked out of 11 of his 27 starts....ouch. Maybe isn't as good of a scrambler as you think.

Hoblit

08-14-2002, 07:01 PM

I'm a Shaun King Fan and I think he looked great. I think a couple more of his passes should have been caught. I totally agree with another user on this board when he/she mentioned that they would like to see his play with the first team. I would like to elaborate on that and suggest that with my emphesis on protection. Shaun scrambled well and will scramble well in the future when he has to, although I think the first team offensive line would provide less opportunities for the other teams defensive unit to penetrate the line.

Shaun did great with both the passing game and obviously the running game. Just needs work on busting into the end zone is all.

With that said, I have to say that Rob Johnson looked the best in the given time. Overlooking 'that particular sack' he did pretty good with landing his passes and even scrambeling for a first down once.

Back to Shaun, I think it's very important for QB's to make big plays out of lost opportunities. If Shaun can get the first down himself, give me more of that.

daprecha

08-15-2002, 12:10 AM

[COLI really think that Shaun King should get a serious look with the first team. If he had the weapons we now have in 99, we would be looking at a championship trophy. Give the man a real chance and you will see a genius at work. Why because he has tasted the door to the superbowl with the loss in 99. He is young hungry, and he wants it BADDDDDDDDD!!!!! Redemption is on the tip of his tongue. I dare Gruden to give him a shot with the first teamers. If he looked that good with 2nd and 3rd teamers. What he would do with the first team is destructive.
I say let him play!!OR=crimson]d[/COLOR]

BORIBUC

08-15-2002, 12:55 AM

Originally posted by daprecha
[COLI really think that Shaun King should get a serious look with the first team. If he had the weapons we now have in 99, we would be looking at a championship trophy. Give the man a real chance and you will see a genius at work. Why because he has tasted the door to the superbowl with the loss in 99. He is young hungry, and he wants it BADDDDDDDDD!!!!! Redemption is on the tip of his tongue. I dare Gruden to give him a shot with the first teamers. If he looked that good with 2nd and 3rd teamers. What he would do with the first team is destructive.
I say let him play!!OR=crimson]d[/COLOR]

EXACTLY!!!!! TRUE!

danedon

08-15-2002, 12:55 AM

Shaun is THE MAN!!! Period!

Laura4Bucs

08-15-2002, 04:27 AM

Originally posted by danedon
Shaun is THE MAN!!! Period!

After the first game performance, I would have to say that R Johnson did not impress me much with the sacks incurred. King looked much better.

RBarberFan20

08-15-2002, 10:37 PM

Shaun performed the best overall. Game management, smarts, scrambling, executing with the 3rd team, not ripping the heads off the WRs that dropped easy passes. Rob did impress me, though. Brad wasn't all that great, but he only played one series. I'm not a BJ fan, but let's see how he does with more playing time.

Luke

Seafarer

08-16-2002, 02:53 PM

It only between Rob and Shaun, Brad played only 2 sets. Rob looked good at first but then he just fell apart and taking the loss by not throwing ball, is not good at all. Not to mention he was playing with most of the starters.

So, I'll have to give the credit to Shaun who played very well with the second and third string. Moved the ball and no mistakes.

However, Time Warner lost my signal for alot of the game. OH thank you 99FM...

jfBUCS

08-16-2002, 04:57 PM

shaun king is the best qb we've had since doug williams and until gruden realizes that we will not go to the big dance. brad is a has been that never was, he cost us a couple wins last year most notably the pittsburgh game. he got sacked 10 times cause he isn't smart enough to get out of dodge or get rid of the ball when those big guys are coming to tear his head off. rob aint much better than brad, whereas shaun has shown he can lead this team to the playoffs and if not for a very well executed play by the saints we'd have been SUPER BOWL CHAMPS already.

dfrag

08-17-2002, 02:20 PM

Johnson... Brad Johnson

Canuck Buc

08-17-2002, 05:34 PM

Originally posted by SoCarolinaBuc
Brad - To me, Brad looked sort of sluggish out there. He wasn't moving around very well, but he did get rid of the ball, something Rob wasn't able to get a firm grasp of.

Rob - He's gonna kill himself if he holds onto the ball like it's the Holy Grail. I didn't see any reason for his two sacks, as he could have thrown the ball away both times.

:D I couldn't agree with you more! READ THE D ROB!!!

danedon

08-17-2002, 10:04 PM

Originally posted by jfBUCS
Shaun King is the best qb we've had since Doug Williams

My sentiments exactly! Thank you!

Hopefully we decide to "keep" this QB and allow him to shine here, rather than let him prove himself elsewhere like we did with Doug, Vinny & Steve!