Mike Williams...

[UCFjayrod09]

Now before anyone jumps on me about this i just want to say that i love Mike Williams and he would be a great addition to the team. But is he really the BEST addition to the team? Our recieving corps starts out with one of the best young players in the game in Clayton, then we have the deep threat in Galloway, these our are two strters and proven NFL recievers. We also have a few guys the Jon Gruden has been very impressed with from training camp but they havent had the chance to prove theirselves because of injuries. Guys like Edell Shepard and Frank Murphy, YOUNG guys i might add. So when draft day comes around and you have the choice between MW and say DJ wouldnt DJ be better for the team overall? I would be happy with either but who would make the bigger impact? Either way i say GO BUCS!!!

[MarleyMon81]

Frank Murphy is no longer on the roster.

People bring up alot on MW's downfalls, but every draft prospect has downfalls. MW is a freak of a WR with his sheer size. Granted he has to keep that size under control but he looked pretty lean at his pro day at USF. Just as people say MW is too slow they say that DJ has trouble shedding blockers. While the defense needs to start building some potential starters, they still have time to bied with their vets. The offensive weapons are basically Clayton and maybe Pitt and that's it (not sure how Becht will fit in yet.)

MW is my choice at 5. And mark my words...if MW is there at 5...he WILL be a Buccaneer.

[JasonOfthetower]

Now before anyone jumps on me about this i just want to say that i love Mike Williams and he would be a great addition to the team. But is he really the BEST addition to the team? Our recieving corps starts out with one of the best young players in the game in Clayton, then we have the deep threat in Galloway, these our are two strters and proven NFL recievers. We also have a few guys the Jon Gruden has been very impressed with from training camp but they havent had the chance to prove theirselves because of injuries. Guys like Edell Shepard and Frank Murphy, YOUNG guys i might add. So when draft day comes around and you have the choice between MW and say DJ wouldnt DJ be better for the team overall? I would be happy with either but who would make the bigger impact? Either way i say GO BUCS!!!

How many times must we say that the Bucs will NOT draft defense with the #5 overall pick in the draft? :frownretr

[DutchBuc82]

MW is my choice at 5. And mark my words...if MW is there at 5...he WILL be a Buccaneer.

Marked. ;) :p

[Pewter Pride]

...if MW is there at 5...he WILL be a Buccaneer.
He won't be there.

[MarleyMon81]

He won't be there.

And you know this how?

[sgtpepper2]

Now before anyone jumps on me about this i just want to say that i love Mike Williams and he would be a great addition to the team. But is he really the BEST addition to the team? Our recieving corps starts out with one of the best young players in the game in Clayton, then we have the deep threat in Galloway, these our are two strters and proven NFL recievers. We also have a few guys the Jon Gruden has been very impressed with from training camp but they havent had the chance to prove theirselves because of injuries. Guys like Edell Shepard and Frank Murphy, YOUNG guys i might add. So when draft day comes around and you have the choice between MW and say DJ wouldnt DJ be better for the team overall? I would be happy with either but who would make the bigger impact? Either way i say GO BUCS!!!

The #5 slot is going to cost a lot to sign. Do you think that the Bucs are going to pay yet another linebacker that kind of money? Nothing against Johnson but that is an expensive benchwarmer for a team that, aside from WR Clayton, has zero talent on offense. Draft a linebacker later and develop him for 2 years from now, look for some offensive talent in the first 2 rounds.

[Pewter Pride]

And you know this how?
Chicago will draft him.

[sgtpepper2]

Frank Murphy is no longer on the roster.

People bring up alot on MW's downfalls, but every draft prospect has downfalls. MW is a freak of a WR with his sheer size. Granted he has to keep that size under control but he looked pretty lean at his pro day at USF. Just as people say MW is too slow they say that DJ has trouble shedding blockers. While the defense needs to start building some potential starters, they still have time to bied with their vets. The offensive weapons are basically Clayton and maybe Pitt and that's it (not sure how Becht will fit in yet.)

MW is my choice at 5. And mark my words...if MW is there at 5...he WILL be a Buccaneer.

Top Five
1. Braylon Edwards, Michigan
The skinny: Might be the best overall player in the draft. There are some concerns about his drops, but he's always open.
2. Troy Williamson, South Carolina
The skinny: Speed, speed and more speed. That's why this kid will be the second receiver taken.
3. Mark Clayton, Oklahoma
The skinny: He's small at 5-11, but he's a precision route runner with good speed. He's one of our favorites.
4. Mike Williams, USC
The skinny: He's big and strong, but he doesn't run well enough. That will scare off some teams, but one will take a chance on him based on his size.
5. Roddy White, Alabama-Birmingham
The skinny: Like Williamson, he's a good-sized receiver who can run. That opens eyes.

Most Overrated
Mike Williams. If you want a Keyshawn Johnson, this is your guy. If you want Randy Moss, somebody else should be the choice.

http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/8355760

[Palafox101]

Frank Murphy is no longer on the roster.

People bring up alot on MW's downfalls, but every draft prospect has downfalls. MW is a freak of a WR with his sheer size. Granted he has to keep that size under control but he looked pretty lean at his pro day at USF. Just as people say MW is too slow they say that DJ has trouble shedding blockers. While the defense needs to start building some potential starters, they still have time to bied with their vets. The offensive weapons are basically Clayton and maybe Pitt and that's it (not sure how Becht will fit in yet.)

MW is my choice at 5. And mark my words...if MW is there at 5...he WILL be a Buccaneer.
I am with you 100% and I think another other choice besides MW at #5 is not smart.

The only thing I worry about is Arizona. 2 years ago, the cards found gold in FSU reciever Anquan Bolden so the following year, they drafted good old Larry from Pittsburg to complement him. Larry didn't turn out as good as he could have. Granted, their QB sucked but one has to wonder? :cool:

[MarleyMon81]

Chicago will draft him.

Could be, never know until the 23rd. I just don't see them spending top 5 money on a WR after they just signed Mushin to a big money FA deal. Granted they have a need for more than 1 WR, but they can also get a good complement in the 2nd round instead of using top 5 money on another. That's alot of money tied into a WR core.

[UCFjayrod09]

So if Williams isnt there and Johnson isnt there do we pick Edwards or trade down get another pick and still get atleast a runningback or maybe williamson or clayton...

[MarleyMon81]

Top Five
1. Braylon Edwards, Michigan
The skinny: Might be the best overall player in the draft. There are some concerns about his drops, but he's always open.
2. Troy Williamson, South Carolina
The skinny: Speed, speed and more speed. That's why this kid will be the second receiver taken.
3. Mark Clayton, Oklahoma
The skinny: He's small at 5-11, but he's a precision route runner with good speed. He's one of our favorites.
4. Mike Williams, USC
The skinny: He's big and strong, but he doesn't run well enough. That will scare off some teams, but one will take a chance on him based on his size.
5. Roddy White, Alabama-Birmingham
The skinny: Like Williamson, he's a good-sized receiver who can run. That opens eyes.

Most Overrated
Mike Williams. If you want a Keyshawn Johnson, this is your guy. If you want Randy Moss, somebody else should be the choice.

http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/8355760

Point being? That's a writer's opinion. In my opinion, the most overrated is Troy Williamson. What is the comment on him..."Speed, speed and more speed." Thats great, now go make plays with this speed. The hype surrounding this guy yet to sweats Quez Green all around him.

There are some that are hung up on MW's negatives instead of looking at the positives that outweigh them. I'd take a Key type player (minus the 'tude) anyday over Moss. Say what you will about Key, he did work his butt off here for almost 4 seasons. MW is NOT Keyshawn. Just because they went to the same school and have the same build does not make them twins. MW will be fine. He is far more athletic overall than Key has been.

[$fan4eva]

Larry didn't turn out as good as he could have. Granted, their QB sucked but one has to wonder? :cool:

Give Fitz a break. He was a rookie last year. Most rookies don't light the world on fire. Clayton and Bouldan are the exception, not the rule.

[bucsfan1955--2]

Mike Williams the most overrated :rolleyes: Did you see him play in college? He dominated. Dont let a writer persuade you one way or the other. They guy caught everything thrown to him. I think fe is going to be a great pro.

[sgtpepper2]

Point being? That's a writer's opinion. There are some that are hung up on MW's negatives instead of looking at the positives that outweigh them. I'd take a Key type player (minus the 'tude) anyday over Moss. Say what you will about Key, he did work his butt off here for almost 4 seasons. MW is NOT Keyshawn. Just because they went to the same school and have the same build does not make them twins. MW will be fine. He is far more athletic overall than Key has been.

The comparisons do not end with attending the same school and having the same build. Everything from his speed to his maturity reminds people of Key.

[sgtpepper2]

Mike Williams the most overrated :rolleyes: Did you see him play in college? He dominated. Dont let a writer persuade you one way or the other. They guy caught everything thrown to him. I think fe is going to be a great pro.

Yeah, I saw him in college. Not saying he isn't good, but how many 4.6 40 WR's do the Bucs needs? This team needs some speed and that Williams does not have.

[MarleyMon81]

The comparisons do not end with attending the same school and having the same build. Everything from his speed to his maturity reminds people of Key.

Key is a mature player he just whines alot. :D

I met MW 3 times when I would go to by buddy's games when Jesuit played Plant. Let me tell ya, while MW was a man among boys in HS football, he was a very respectable opponent.

MW, while cocky, does not have the loud mouth, me first attitude Key always has on display. Could MW contract this...sure. But at this time their personalities are like night and day.

[MarleyMon81]

Yeah, I saw him in college. Not saying he isn't good, but how many 4.6 40 WR's do the Bucs needs? This team needs some speed and that Williams does not have.

We have 1 speed guy in Galloway. Speed at the WR spot is overrated. We've had blazers here in the past in Green and Anthony. One small problem about these lightining quick WR...they couldn't catch the ball. With MW's size and leaping ability seperation isn't needed, he just goes up and gets the ball. Not saying he's the second coming or anything, I just think MW could be the fastest contributator for our team out of the top 5 picks.

[magicfan39126]

Top Five
1. Braylon Edwards, Michigan
The skinny: Might be the best overall player in the draft. There are some concerns about his drops, but he's always open.
2. Troy Williamson, South Carolina
The skinny: Speed, speed and more speed. That's why this kid will be the second receiver taken.
3. Mark Clayton, Oklahoma
The skinny: He's small at 5-11, but he's a precision route runner with good speed. He's one of our favorites.
4. Mike Williams, USC
The skinny: He's big and strong, but he doesn't run well enough. That will scare off some teams, but one will take a chance on him based on his size.
5. Roddy White, Alabama-Birmingham
The skinny: Like Williamson, he's a good-sized receiver who can run. That opens eyes.

Most Overrated
Mike Williams. If you want a Keyshawn Johnson, this is your guy. If you want Randy Moss, somebody else should be the choice.

http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/8355760

Man, this guy is an idiot. How soon people forget that MW was tearing it up at USC. This guy has all the tools; route-running, amazing strength, terrific leaping ability, best hands in the draft, great production in college. He ran a 4.58 <<gasp>> who cares? Can someone fill me in on how fast Mike Clayton was last year, I think he ran a 4.56 or so. Troy Williamson is good but he only caught 43 passes as a senior. Not so good. I'll take Williams anyday.

[bpc55]

We have 1 speed guy in Galloway. Speed at the WR spot is overrated. We've had blazers here in the past in Green and Anthony. One small problem about these lightining quick WR...they couldn't catch the ball. With MW's size and leaping ability seperation isn't needed, he just goes up and gets the ball. Not saying he's the second coming or anything, I just think MW could be the fastest contributator for our team out of the top 5 picks.

Exactly. How many times do you see a WR just outrun the coverage. Very few times a year. I would rather have a WR that can go across the middle and deal with the pounding. MW size and leaping ability also make him a great red-zone threat. Williamson, to me, is the most likely to be a bust out of the 1st round receivers.

[bucsfan1955--2]

Yeah, I saw him in college. Not saying he isn't good, but how many 4.6 40 WR's do the Bucs needs? This team needs some speed and that Williams does not have.

What difference does 4.6 and a 4.4 speed have inside the 20? My thinking is.....Griese is going to get killed with this o-line. 7 step drops will be rare if any. We need good route running WR's. WR's who are big and strong enough to make a catch with a corner drapped all over them. Speed at the WR position is overrated....unless you have the proper tools to utilize the speed. The Buccaneers dont have those tools.

[traew]

There are 4 premiere, franchise, every down, Pro-Bowl potential offensive players in this draft. I've said it now a hundred times. And the Bucs are a virtual lock to get one of them.

I will only be angry if they pick someone other than:

Mike Williams
Braylon Edwards
Cedric Benson
Ronnie Brown

I'm not a Caddy fan - and I know many of you are. The old "agree to disagree" situation.

I think only the 4 above are guys that could drastically change the entire complexion and production of our offense.

One man's opinion - floating in a sea of opinions.

[sgtpepper2]

We have 1 speed guy in Galloway. Speed at the WR spot is overrated. We've had blazers here in the past in Green and Anthony. One small problem about these lightining quick WR...they couldn't catch the ball. With MW's size and leaping ability seperation isn't needed, he just goes up and gets the ball. Not saying he's the second coming or anything, I just think MW could be the fastest contributator for our team out of the top 5 picks.

Sorry, speed at the WR is not overrated. Galloway is only a speed guy as long as he is on the field, which from what I have seen is not often.

While Green and Anthony had speed, their problems weren't so much they couldn't catch the ball rather they were unable to get separation at the line of scrimmage. In college at UF they were able to use their speed against lesser opponents to get open but learned quickly that there are plenty of DB's that run just as fast as them in the NFL but also know how to jam you off the line. For a mighty mite like Green, that was too much for him.

I understand that you aren't saying MW isn't the second coming but it surprises me that people want to pay the money that the #5 slot will require to a receiver that runs a 4.6 and could possible be a #2 receiver. These aren't digs on him, just doens't make sense to me when the Bucs ranked 15th out of 16th in Rushing in the NFC.

[sgtpepper2]

There are 4 premiere, franchise, every down, Pro-Bowl potential offensive players in this draft. I've said it now a hundred times. And the Bucs are a virtual lock to get one of them.

I will only be angry if they pick someone other than:

Mike Williams
Braylon Edwards
Cedric Benson
Ronnie Brown

I'm not a Caddy fan - and I know many of you are. The old "agree to disagree" situation.

I think only the 4 above are guys that could drastically change the entire complexion and production of our offense.

One man's opinion - floating in a sea of opinions.

Cedric Benson?

Texas Pro-Day - RB Cedric Benson ran anywhere from 4.61 and 4.68, and only one team had him under 4.6. Scout.com reports are disputing other media reports who are reporting Benson ran under a 4.6, as no team had him faster than a 4.61. Benson's pro shuttle was 4.23 & 4.47, and 3 cone time of 7.55. and a 33" BJ. Benson's 21 reps on the bench are in question, as many scouts did not think he locked three of those repetitions. Benson's workout was not good and whether running the cone drills or pass routes he was consistent slowing into breaks / cuts.

Maybe we can work out a deal to get MW and Benson.........that way the Bucs can field one of the slowest offenses alive!!!!!!!!! Wait....WE ALREADY HAVE THAT!!!!

[keep_it_real]

You guys act as if Mike Williams is the only 6-5 WR, in the draft...what about Vincent Jackson...

[traew]

Cedric Benson?

Texas Pro-Day - RB Cedric Benson ran anywhere from 4.61 and 4.68, and only one team had him under 4.6. Scout.com reports are disputing other media reports who are reporting Benson ran under a 4.6, as no team had him faster than a 4.61. Benson's pro shuttle was 4.23 & 4.47, and 3 cone time of 7.55. and a 33" BJ. Benson's 21 reps on the bench are in question, as many scouts did not think he locked three of those repetitions. Benson's workout was not good and whether running the cone drills or pass routes he was consistent slowing into breaks / cuts.

Maybe we can work out a deal to get MW and Benson.........that way the Bucs can field one of the slowest offenses alive!!!!!!!!! Wait....WE ALREADY HAVE THAT!!!!


You are out of your mind.... and clearly know little about football.

As GM - would you base your drafts on who ran the fastest??? Geez - that is what got us guys like Danny Peebles (remember that speed demon).

A heck of alot more goes into a great running back than speed. There is VISION, INSTINCTS, DECISION MAKING, CUTTING, BREAKING TACKLES...........

Cedric Benson is one of the most productive running backs in the HISTORY of college football. He had a spectacular college career - and as Gruden mentions he was unstoppable in high school as well.

He is an amazing talent.

So listen, if you are obsessed with speed you best discount other future Hall of Fame backs like Emmitt Smith, Jerome Bettis, Tony Dorsett, et. al.

Same goes for wide receiver. Would you mind Michael Irvin on the Bucs?? How about Lynn Swann in his prime?? Or even a Keyshawn Johnson who kept his mouth shut??

Listen - I don't mind if you like other backs or receivers. But posts like this make you look really ignorant if you are bashing a guy based on numbers he put up in gym shorts, on a track, with little red cones......... and completely ignoring their spectacular college production.
:rolleyes:

[sgtpepper2]

You are out of your mind.... and clearly know little about football.

As GM - would you base your drafts on who ran the fastest??? Geez - that is what got us guys like Danny Peebles (remember that speed demon).

A heck of alot more goes into a great running back than speed. There is VISION, INSTINCTS, DECISION MAKING, CUTTING, BREAKING TACKLES...........

Cedric Benson is one of the most productive running backs in the HISTORY of college football. He had a spectacular college career - and as Gruden mentions he was unstoppable in high school as well.

He is an amazing talent.

So listen, if you are obsessed with speed you best discount other future Hall of Fame backs like Emmitt Smith, Jerome Bettis, Tony Dorsett, et. al.

Same goes for wide receiver. Would you mind Michael Irvin on the Bucs?? How about Lynn Swann in his prime?? Or even a Keyshawn Johnson who kept his mouth shut??

Listen - I don't mind if you like other backs or receivers. But posts like this make you look really ignorant if you are bashing a guy based on numbers he put up in gym shorts, on a track, with little red cones......... and completely ignoring their spectacular college production.
:rolleyes:

You don't mind, huh? Thanks, I really appreciate it.

I hate to break it to you, but most the guys in the top 5 of the draft, etc have a lot of production, thats why they have this thing called the "combine" where they put the guys into gym shorts and make them run around little red cones. Its what they use to separate the pack. Maybe you heard of it?

Now, just so you have it clear...I am not "obsessed" with speed. Its just that the Bucs have.....NONE! As GM, when there is a draft with as much depth and talent at WR, combined with the fact that the Bucs have no speed on offense, yes I would take a players speed into consideration as long as he is worth the slot I am picking him, etc.

BTW - since you are so big on "production" and not a players run times, etc, who was the most productive RB in college history?

Hmmmmm.........Ron Dayne? Can you tell me about his speed and how his NFL career is going thus far? How was his speed again? :urowned:

How come you didn't talk about him when you were banging the drum of all those HOF players? Is it because there are more guys that had simular stats that were busts in the NFL then there were guys like you just listed? Fact is, comparing two players that have never played a down in the NFL to a bunch of HOF players is what makes you look really ignorant. :rolleyes:

[Dwight Smith]

Sorry, speed at the WR is not overrated.


That's where you lost me. Speed is by far the most overrated stat for a WR. I would much rather have a "quick" guy than a speedy one. The greatest WR of all time, Jerry Rice ran a 4.6, Chris Carter ran a 4.6, our own Michael Clayton ran a 4.6, .. and I don't see any of them having trouble getting open.

Track times are highly overrated... I bet you were one of those people who would have LOVED to have Mike Mamula on your team
:rolleyes:

[sgtpepper2]

That's where you lost me. Speed is by far the most overrated stat for a WR. I would much rather have a "quick" guy than a speedy one. The greatest WR of all time, Jerry Rice ran a 4.6, Chris Carter ran a 4.6, our own Michael Clayton ran a 4.6, .. and I don't see any of them having trouble getting open.

Track times are highly overrated... I bet you were one of those people who would have LOVED to have Mike Mamula on your team
:rolleyes:

You are playing the same game the last guy did. You name 3 guys, 2 of which are HOF players and you think that is the norm. Well its not. That would be the same as if I started listing the guys that ran a 4.6 and never made it in the NFL, does that mean Williams have any more or less of a chance of being a bust? :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[Dwight Smith]

You are playing the same game the last guy did. You name 3 guys, 2 of which are HOF players and you think that is the norm. Well its not. That would be the same as if I started listing the guys that ran a 4.6 and never made it in the NFL, does that mean Williams have any more or less of a chance of being a bust? :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

You say Mike Williams is overrated because he doesn't have enough speed to be solid in the NFL.. I was proving the point that you don't need to be fast to play in the NFL.. quickness trumps pure speed.

So let's say speed isn't an issue (I know you don't agree but go with me here)... why don't you think Mike Williams won't be a good player? All the tapes I have seen of him, he doesn't appear to ever drop a ball, lose control of his body, or give the DB a tell on where he is going to cut. Simply put, I think he was an AMAZING college player with a bright future in the pros.

[sgtpepper2]

You say Mike Williams is overrated because he doesn't have enough speed to be solid in the NFL.. I was proving the point that you don't need to be fast to play in the NFL.. quickness trumps pure speed.

So let's say speed isn't an issue (I know you don't agree but go with me here)... why don't you think Mike Williams won't be a good player? All the tapes I have seen of him, he doesn't appear to ever drop a ball, lose control of his body, or give the DB a tell on where he is going to cut. Simply put, I think he was an AMAZING college player with a bright future in the pros.

#1. I didn't say he was overrated. I posted a webpage that said he was overrated. It also ranked the WR top 5.

#2. I didn't say he won't be a good player. I just posted that of all the WR available in the top of the draft, as well as how deep this draft is at WR, I didn't understand drafting another that runs in the 4.6 range. Peter Warrick dominated in college, how has he been in the NFL? He was an AMAZING college player! Now Cedric Benson, I DID say he was overrated and of all the players coming out has BUST written all over him! THAT, I did say!

#3. Didn't say he wasn't an amazing COLLEGE player. There have been a lot of AMAZING college players, not all of them turn out to be great NFL players. He may, he may not. Its just amusing to me that everyone here who is a MW lover posts things like "If we draft him our WR position is set for the next 10 years!". Some people here have already compared him to the likes of Randy Moss before he has even played a down in the NFL. In fact, its been over a year since he HAS played a down at all!

Bottom line is, to make the argument that speed doesn't matter 'cus of guys like Jerry Rice and Chris Carter, etc is a poor argument. HOF players like those guys are the EXCEPTION not the norm and don't come around all the time. To compare a guy to people like that before they ever play a down is a mistake. Look at how many WR have been drafted in the first round in just the last 5 years. How many are premier receivers?

[wildfire]

I am a Bears fan, and if you go to the Bears boards you would see that 90% of the fans want us to take Mike Williams. It's clear that we 1) need a WR and 2) Jerry Angelo isn't dumb enough to draft Braylon Edwards, who would invite inevitable comparisons to the maligned WR he was replacing. Angelo has been scouting Mike Williams since Mike was a WR at Plant High School.

If you guys think we are going to take Cedric Benson or one of the QBs, that's all smoke and mirrors. Angelo would never tip his hand, but it's abundantly clear he's going to take a WR to help his hand-picked QB (Grossman) succeed. And that WR will be Mike Williams.

[Pantera Canes]

I am a Bears fan, and if you go to the Bears boards you would see that 90% of the fans want us to take Mike Williams. It's clear that we 1) need a WR and 2) Jerry Angelo isn't dumb enough to draft Braylon Edwards, who would invite inevitable comparisons to the maligned WR he was replacing. Angelo has been scouting Mike Williams since Mike was a WR at Plant High School.

If you guys think we are going to take Cedric Benson or one of the QBs, that's all smoke and mirrors. Angelo would never tip his hand, but it's abundantly clear he's going to take a WR to help his hand-picked QB (Grossman) succeed. And that WR will be Mike Williams.


I have never seen where anybody says the bears will take a QB. Mostly its been you guys picking a RB, Edwards, or DJ. I think you guys go to try and take a RB and hope he is a franchise back.

[traew]

I am a Bears fan, and if you go to the Bears boards you would see that 90% of the fans want us to take Mike Williams. It's clear that we 1) need a WR and 2) Jerry Angelo isn't dumb enough to draft Braylon Edwards, who would invite inevitable comparisons to the maligned WR he was replacing. Angelo has been scouting Mike Williams since Mike was a WR at Plant High School.

If you guys think we are going to take Cedric Benson or one of the QBs, that's all smoke and mirrors. Angelo would never tip his hand, but it's abundantly clear he's going to take a WR to help his hand-picked QB (Grossman) succeed. And that WR will be Mike Williams.

As long as that leaves us Braylon Edwards or Cedric Benson - I will be happy.

I dont think Mike Williams fits in the Bears offense - but so be it. Edwards fits in any offense.

[FrigginBucsFan]

4.6 40 240 lbs that has velcro on the tips of his fingers..... I'd take as many as I can get.... MW is highly rated and thats a fact... and has gained weight thats also true... but he has not lost speed 4.6 is a very hard to understand speed... Micheal Clayton and Tim Brown both run 4.6's but I'm sure everyone can agree that Clayton is much faster... MW breaks tackles, the man is huge.... and to have that speed at that size... think physics... inertia Force= mass x (velocity/time2). And he is clutch (a big negative seen in B. Edwards). BMW is the real deal and who ever drafts him will be a very happy team when they learn how to use him.... (I think Gruden already knows how too, which makes me even more excited.)

A player like this comes along only once in a while....

JMHO

[DeadEagle]

I ask you this....

Would you rather have:

WR A) guy that is always outrunning coverage and getting open, but catches 50% of passes. Averages 20 yards a catch.

or

WR B) guy that uses precise route running and body control to get open and catches 95% of passes. Averages 14 yards a catch.

Who is better? Lets add the math.

Say each player is thrown 100 passes in the year.

WR A will have 50 Rec. for 1000 yards. WR B will have 95 Rec. for 1330. Who had the better year?

Speed is not a verdict on a player. Players can be busts with or without speed. It is something that can be worked on. Not like soft hands. You either got 'em or ya don't. Some WR's in this draft have em, some don't.

Mike Williams has the best hands available. Mark Clayton is #2. Roddy White is #3. Williamson is just fast and useless.

[DeadEagle]

hes at 240 now? damn, that kid balloons up quick. Hes gunna have to learn some restraint once he enters this league.

Nothing a nutritionist couldn't handle.

[FrigginBucsFan]

Nothing a nutritionist couldn't handle.
Why???? If he can maintain his athleticism that just makes him harder to tackle...

[SuperFly]

4.6 40 240 lbs that has velcro on the tips of his fingers..... I'd take as many as I can get.... MW is highly rated and thats a fact... and has gained weight thats also true... but he has not lost speed 4.6 is a very hard to understand speed... Micheal Clayton and Tim Brown both run 4.6's but I'm sure everyone can agree that Clayton is much faster... MW breaks tackles, the man is huge.... and to have that speed at that size... think physics... inertia Force= mass x (velocity/time2). And he is clutch (a big negative seen in B. Edwards). BMW is the real deal and who ever drafts him will be a very happy team when they learn how to use him.... (I think Gruden already knows how too, which makes me even more excited.)

A player like this comes along only once in a while....

JMHO

Wrong! Have you seen CJ? He catches EVERYTHING thrown near him! And if he plays this good in college, he'll not only play the same way in the NFL- but BETTER!!! :rolleyes:


(Mods: please move this thread to the college draft forum. :) )

[no1bucsfan29]

Wrong! Have you seen CJ? He catches EVERYTHING thrown near him! And if he plays this good in college, he'll not only play the same way in the NFL- but BETTER!!! :rolleyes:


(Mods: please move this thread to the college draft forum. :) )
LMAO, nice save Feldy.

[Clayton80future]

The difference is WORK ETHIC.



Mike Williams has the work ethic of a peeble, and because of that he has progressed like a snail. Calvin Johnson works extremely hard and is intelligent enough to know that he will have to work even harder at the next level, and I can assure you he will do so.



It's not so much because how great he has done in college, it's the things he has done to do so great in college.

[SuperFly]

Calvin! Calvin! He's our man! If he can't do it, no one can!!!! (or at least until next season the Bucs need to draft another once in every 15yrs WR.)

[Clayton80future]

Calvin! Calvin! He's our man! If he can't do it, no one can!!!!



Exactly, I'm not ****ting you the slightest bit. ;)

[Monty'sCircus]

why the bump????

[DeadEagle]

I'd guess to show everybody how "shiny things" can be distracting.


There's a point where hype and "potential" potential pass a limit of absurdity.

[Monty'sCircus]

I'd guess to show everybody how "shiny things" can be distracting.


There's a point where hype and "potential" potential pass a limit of absurdity.
okay....so nothing has been accomplished...right?

[DeadEagle]

No. Calvin Johnson still hasn't caught a pass.

[Catch2355]

MW is my choice at 5. And mark my words...if MW is there at 5...he WILL be a Buccaneer.


nice call :D

[SuperFly]

why the bump????

Oh...I don't know. Cause I am reading the same old rhetoric then as I am now about a certain WR.

And if CJ is the best player in the draft, wouldn't he be drafted as the first pick overall?

For all you Bucs newbies, this team was built on Defense. And after three years of drafting players on offense, it's about time the D is shown some love.

Now if you'll excuse me- I'm going to watch two former Bucs defensive coaches battle it out in the playoffs.

[tampabayfan]

Oh...I don't know. Cause I am reading the same old rhetoric then as I am now about a certain WR.

And if CJ is the best player in the draft, wouldn't he be drafted as the first pick overall?

For all you Bucs newbies, this team was built on Defense. And after three years of drafting players on offense, it's about time the D is shown some love.

Now if you'll excuse me- I'm going to watch two former Bucs defensive coaches battle it out in the playoffs.
I got a feeling that CJ will be a good player, but we need to focus on the defense. My thought is if CJ falls to us at the 3rd or 4th pick--we can trade down and pick up at least another draft choice, maybe 2. Wr is not where we are the weakest and if we want to win again, we need to re-build the defense.

[FLA-ORGator666]

There is a damn good reason why Mike Williams fell to the 10th pick (and the 3rd WR taken). Teams were wary of Mike's "greatness" (a greatness promoted mostly by Mel Kiper, USC fans, and Tampa people). The only reason Mike Williams didn't fall even more is because Detroit has Matt Millen as their GM, and he decided he wanted another WR, because Millen is special that way.

Mike Williams was never nearly as good as what Tampa fans and USC homers made him out to be. I still have faith that Williams will make a pretty decent NFL WR, as long as he can work on his work ethic and lazy issues.

[no1bucsfan29]

I got a feeling that CJ will be a good player, but we need to focus on the defense. My thought is if CJ falls to us at the 3rd or 4th pick--we can trade down and pick up at least another draft choice, maybe 2. Wr is not where we are the weakest and if we want to win again, we need to re-build the defense.
But wouldn't it be nice to get someone that could actually catch the ball instead of staring at it as it bounces off their hands and onto the ground?

[tampabayfan]

But wouldn't it be nice to get someone that could actually catch the ball instead of staring at it as it bounces off their hands and onto the ground?
Both Clayton and Galloway can catch the ball--Clayton had over 1400 yards in 04 and Galloway had more than that last year. The talent isnt the issue so I dont see where bringing in another wr is going to suddenly help the team. We need an impact player and we need that on the D side not the offense.

[SuperFly]

Both Clayton and Galloway can catch the ball--Clayton had over 1400 yards in 04 and Galloway had more than that last year. The talent isnt the issue so I dont see where bringing in another wr is going to suddenly help the team. We need an impact player and we need that on the D side not the offense.

Stop making sense, TBF!

Oops! KC just had a turnover. Too bad their WR wasn't more like Calvin Johnson! He would've caught it!

[no1bucsfan29]

Both Clayton and Galloway can catch the ball--Clayton had over 1400 yards in 04 and Galloway had more than that last year. The talent isnt the issue so I dont see where bringing in another wr is going to suddenly help the team. We need an impact player and we need that on the D side not the offense.
had he not gotten hurt, chances are Clayton would have led the league in drops. Galloway hands are ok, but far from great.

[no1bucsfan29]

Stop making sense, TBF!

Oops! KC just had a turnover. Too bad their WR wasn't more like Calvin Johnson! He would've caught it!
It's hard for a reciever to catch a pass that is thrown 5 yds away from him and directly to the defender...

[Clayton80future]

It's hard for a reciever to catch a pass that is thrown 5 yds away from him and directly to the defender...



C.J. is used to that anyway with him having Reggie Ball as his starting QB.

When GT finally started a decent, not great, but a decent QB with Bennett, Johnson had a game that he would have every single week if his QB wasn't the worst on the in college football.

[DeadEagle]

It's hard for a reciever to catch a pass that is thrown 5 yds away from him and directly to the defender...


:rolleyes:

Calvin Johnson would have NOT ONLY caught it, but ran it 126 yards for a TD.

[no1bucsfan29]

:rolleyes:

Calvin Johnson would have NOT ONLY caught it, but ran it 126 yards for a TD.
I don't think so, but if that's your opinion, so be it.

[SuperFly]

:rolleyes:

Calvin Johnson would have NOT ONLY caught it, but ran it 126 yards for a TD.

Make it 127 yards, then I'll believe you.

[no1bucsfan29]

Make it 127 yards, then I'll believe you.
So who do you think we should draft that would be worth the 3 or 4 spot?

[FLA-ORGator666]

So who do you think we should draft that would be worth the 3 or 4 spot?
And people, please don't just say trade down. You can't go into a draft thinking the only thing we can do is trade down. I love trading down, and would be all for it, but it's just real hard to find a trade partner.

[DeadEagle]

Make it 127 yards, then I'll believe you.


127?

That's a little.... how do I say...... impossible?






Then again.... this is CALVIN JOHNSON!!

Gimme a C!

[SuperFly]

C!!!!

[FLA-ORGator666]

I really love how fans have absolutely zero control on a sports team's personnel....................................

[DeadEagle]

Gimme an A!

[SuperFly]

Do you mind if we just do his initials?

[no1bucsfan29]

Do you mind if we just do his initials?
he wouldn't have been able to spell the whole name out anyway...

[DeadEagle]

Gimme a Jay!

[SuperFly]

Jay!!!


http://cdn-channels.netscape.com/gallery/i/j/jayz/lg1.jpg

[DeadEagle]

Calvin is going to be so angry.

He is so much awesomer than Jay-Z. I bet Jay-Z doesn't even have a 75" vertical like Calvin.

[Monty'sCircus]

Oh...I don't know. Cause I am reading the same old rhetoric then as I am now about a certain WR.

And if CJ is the best player in the draft, wouldn't he be drafted as the first pick overall?

For all you Bucs newbies, this team was built on Defense. And after three years of drafting players on offense, it's about time the D is shown some love.

Now if you'll excuse me- I'm going to watch two former Bucs defensive coaches battle it out in the playoffs.
Why was Reggie Bush taken 2nd overall last yr?

The problem with drafting defense this yr is that there are not in solid prospects. Throw Gaines Adams into last yrs draft and he is probably taken 10-20.
There is not aAJ Hawks or Mario Williams in this yrs draft.

I do agree with you that the bucs do need some talent on the defensive side of the ball. But the only way that will happen is if they trade down in the 1st rd or find some steals in later rds.

[alstottrocks40]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrOBo-3Z7_I

I was actually looking for something else, but I came across this video...Mike Williams looks flat out enormous. Watch him throw a young Leon Hall to the ground like a rag doll at 5:25...pretty impressive. Total shame he hasn't panned out...if the Lions cut him anytime soon, I hope we give him a second look.

[Clayton80future]

Work ethic makes a huge difference. That's truly the number one thing that has held back Williams.