XBox 360 vs. PS3 which will be better and why?

[Dwight Smith]

Thread title says it all... here are the specs of the two consoles for comparison.

XBox 360
Custom IBM PowerPC-based CPU
- Three symmetrical cores running at 3.2 GHz each
- Two hardware threads per core; six hardware threads total
- VMX-128 vector unit per core; three total
- 128 VMX-128 registers per hardware thread
- 1 MB L2 cache
CPU Game Math Performance
- 9 billion dot product operations per second

Custom ATI Graphics Processor
- 500MHz processor
- 10 MB of embedded DRAM
- 48-way parallel floating-point dynamically scheduled shader pipelines
- Unified shader architecture

Polygon Performance
- 500 million triangles per second

Pixel Fill Rate
- 16 gigasamples per second fill rate using 4x MSAA
Shader Performance
- 48 billion shader operations per second

Memory
- 512 MB of GDDR3 RAM
- 700 MHz of DDR
- Unified memory architecture

Memory Bandwidth
- 22.4 GB/s memory interface bus bandwidth
- 256 GB/s memory bandwidth to EDRAM
- 21.6 GB/s front-side bus

Overall System Floating-Point Performance
- 1 teraflop

Storage
- Detachable and upgradeable 20GB hard drive
- 12x dual-layer DVD-ROM
- Memory Unit support starting at 64 MB

I/O
- Support for up to four wireless game controllers
- Three USB 2.0 ports
- Two memory unit slots

Optimized for Online
- Instant, out-of-the-box access to Xbox Live features with broadband service, including Xbox Live Marketplace for downloadable content, gamer profile for digital identity, and voice chat to talk to friends while playing games, watching movies or listening to music
- Built-in Ethernet port
- Wi-Fi ready: 802.11a, 802.11b and 802.11g
- Video camera ready

Digital Media Support
- Support for DVD-Video, DVD-ROM, DVD-R/RW, DVD+R/RW, CD-DA, CD-ROM, CD-R, CD-RW, WMA CD, MP3 CD, JPEG Photo CD
- Ability to stream media from portable music devices, digital cameras and Windows XP-based PCs
- Ability to rip music to the Xbox 360 hard drive • Custom playlists in every game
- Built-in Media Center Extender for Windows XP Media Center Edition 2005
- Interactive, full-screen 3-D visualizers

High-Definition Game Support
- All games supported at 16:9, 720p and 1080i, anti-aliasing
- Standard-definition and high-definition video output supported

Audio
- Multichannel surround sound output
- Supports 48KHz 16-bit audio
- 320 independent decompression channels
- 32-bit audio processing
- Over 256 audio channels

System Orientation
- Stands vertically or horizontally

Customizable Face Plates
- Interchangeable to personalize the console
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PS3

OFFICIAL PS3 SPECS

Wireless controllers, connection to the PSP and a powerful new graphics processor technology: Take a look at the PlayStation 3's performance specifications as provided by Sony.
CPU: Cell Processor
* PowerPC-base Core @3.2GHz
* 1 VMX vector unit per core
* 512KB L2 cache
* 7 x SPE @3.2GHz
* 7 x 128b 128 SIMD GPRs
* 7 x 256KB SRAM for SPE
* 1 of 8 SPEs reserved for redundancy
* total floating point performance: 218 GFLOPS

GPU
* RSX @550MHz
* 1.8 TFLOPS floating point performance
* Full HD (up to 1080p) x 2 channels
* Multi-way programmable parallel pipelines

Sound
* Dolby 5.1ch, DTS, LPCM, etc. (Cell- base processing)
Memory
* 256MB XDR Main RAM @3.2GHz
* 256MB GDDR3 VRAM @700MHz

System Bandwidth
* Main RAM: 25.6GB/s
* VRAM: 22.4GB/s
* RSX: 20GB/s (write) + 15GB/s(read)
* SB: 2.5GB/s (write) + 2.5GB/s (read)

System Floating Point Performance
* 2 TFLOPS

Storage
* HDD: Detachable 2.5" HDD slot x 1
I/O
* USB: Front x 4, Rear x 2 (USB2.0)
* Memory Stick: standard/Duo, PRO x 1
* SD: standard/mini x 1
* CompactFlash: (Type I, II) x 1
Communication
* Ethernet: (10BASE-T, 100BASE-TX, 1000BASE-T) x 3 (input x 1 + output x 2)
* Wi-Fi: IEEE 802.11 b/g
* Bluetooth: Bluetooth 2.0 (EDR)
Controller
* Bluetooth:(up to 7)
* USB2.0: (wired)
* Wi-Fi: (PSP)
* Network: (over IP)
AV Output
* Screen size: 480i, 480p, 720p, 1080i, 1080p
* HDMI: HDMI out x 2
* Analog: AV MULTI OUT x 1
* Digital audio: DIGITAL OUT (OPTICAL) x 1
Disc media
* CD: PlayStation CD-ROM, PlayStation 2 CD-ROM
* CD-DA: CD-DA (ROM), CD-R, CD-RW
* SACDL: SACD Hybrid (CD layer), SACD HD
* DualDisc: DualDisc (audio side), DualDisc (DVD side)
* DVD: PlayStation 2 DVD-ROM, PLAYSTATION 3 DVD-ROM, DVD-Video (DVD-ROM, DVD-R, DVD-RW, DVD+R, DVD+RW), Blu-ray Disc (PlayStation 3 BD-ROM, BD-Video, BD-ROM, BD-R, BD-RE)

[Sublime]

Based on that info, XBox has Sony beat hands down. The graphics aren't even close.

[2goodbucs]

Have you guys seen the Killzone 2 gameplay footage for PS3? One of the top guys from Sony said the footage of Killzone 2 are actual gameplay. You guys got to check it out. I think PS3 might get the edge on this one since they now have a 100 gig blu-ray disk compared to their 54 gig dual layer disc beating the Xbox 360's 9 gig HD-DVD disc.

[Buczilla]

Based on that info, XBox has Sony beat hands down. The graphics aren't even close.
... :confused:

[Dwight Smith]

I personally think the XBox is going to be much more powerful. And good for them for using ATI for their graphics card.

[55dbrooks55]

Based on that info, XBox has Sony beat hands down. The graphics aren't even close.
who cares...I am not one who plays video games based on graphics alone.

[55dbrooks55]

I personally think the XBox is going to be much more powerful. And good for them for using ATI for their graphics card.
XBOX might be more powerful...but I'd much rather have a variety of games to play on a system rather than about 2 or 3 good games for a system.

[Rod_Tidwell]

XBOX might be more powerful...but I'd much rather have a variety of games to play on a system rather than about 2 or 3 good games for a system.
Variety is overrated... Give me the best.

[KJ707]

who cares...I am not one who plays video games based on graphics alone.
Yeah, Me 2! http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y146/playsony2000/headbang.gif

[Chunko]

XBOX might be more powerful...but I'd much rather have a variety of games to play on a system rather than about 2 or 3 good games for a system.

360 is going to have a pretty big line-up its first year. Now that Microsoft has established itself in the gaming world, more developers are jumping on.

[2goodbucs]

It amazed the hell outta me. Here's the link (scroll all the way down) (http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/05/16/news_6124681.html?gcst=2stream_sonypress_e305.asx) to anyone who hasn't seen it.

Thanks for providing the link for everyone to see. I think you should start a new thread with "Killzone 2" so everyone can check it out. I feel so sorry for these video game programers because the PS3 will ask for sooo much more because the blu-ray technology can hold up to 100 gigs of data. Oh well, if they want to make some good money they better evolve and program games that fit the blu-ray technology.

[Grendal]

Both systems will at least be 400$ at launch. I will just stick with Nintendo for console and play all those games on PS3 and Xbox on my PC. Get the same enjoyment for much less....

[Alan Sabotage]

Killzone = FAKE.

Theres plenty of proof (including the developers of killzone themselves admiting it's only a "representation of what we hope to achieve") . The only people still pretending it's real are the slimy execs at sony. Truth is that game doesn't come out until christmas next year, and they didn't have a clue about what hardware was going in the PS2 until this january. So that tells you they didn't have enough time to get an engine for the game built and they are too far away from being finished to have that much done. The scripted "hand drawn" animations prove it's not using an in-game engine, and the fact that the ps3 doesn't exist yet in any form proves it wasn't real-time on any kind of software. All that demo proved was that when you put a DVD into a DVD player..... it plays DVD's.

Once again this gen sony wanted a beefed up processor and a "graphics synthesizer" for their graphics solution. Actually they were ging to use a dual core Cell and the "graphics synthasizer". Around last november they came to their senses and realized it was going to be an even bigger disaster then last generations solution and ran to nvidia. What's in the PS3 is practicaly an off the shelf next gen G70 video card. That's why the PS3 can support 2 HDTV's at once, dual hdmi support (common on pc's) came free with the card.

No doubt those GPU figures are exaggerated to some degree, and expect the GPU to be clocked down from 550Mhz to 500Mhz. At 550Mhz the card uses too much power and runs too hot to be in a console.

With all that said I don't want to get too down on sony and nvidia. In the short time they've had they've done an wonderful job. 360 will be more powerful, but not by much. And of course there will be some things the ps3 does easier, like physics and maybe particle effects, and some 360 can do easier, like 4xAA in every game with no performance hit at all, but neither machine is going to do much the other one can't do.

Also with Nintendo apparently bowing out horsepower wise, as well as their decision to probably go with an oddball controller, expect nearly every 3rd party game to be on either ps3 or 360. Usually I would buy one system or the other, or wait to get the second system, but it makes too much sense this gen to have both and play nearly every game I want with just the 2 systems. Thanks Nintendo :)

I've tried not to get too technical about the abilities and deficiencies of both consoles so everyone could understand this post and see through the Sony/MS hype. If you're only going to get one system get the one with the exlusives titles you want, if you're going to get both thank Nintendo for going soft, because you won't miss out on any games that way.

Thanks for your time.

[DeadEagle]

PC gaming trumps everything else.


Don't even bother arguing this one. Xbox and PS are jokes, for little 5 year old kids. Grow up and get a PC.

[Alan Sabotage]

I guess you proved that with your mature response.

[Got-defense?]

Ign has confirmed that the XBOX 360 will be more powerful then the PS3.

[Dwight Smith]

PC gaming trumps everything else.


Don't even bother arguing this one. Xbox and PS are jokes, for little 5 year old kids. Grow up and get a PC.

Your right on the first statement... but was the second one needed?

PC games will always trump consoles because you can constantly update your PC. And PC game developers don't have to worry about matching their game to a certain spec, they make it how they want.. and if someones system isn't beefy enough to play it... they need to upgrade.

[Grendal]

PC gaming trumps everything else.


Don't even bother arguing this one. Xbox and PS are jokes, for little 5 year old kids. Grow up and get a PC.

I partly agree with this. What I do is just buy a nintendo because Ill just play it when I want something differnet. Xbox and PS games always come out on PC, so I just wait till those games come out. Same enjoyment for a cheaper price.

[BigPoppa3]

X-box, because it has Halo!

[MarleyMon81]

All I play on my PS2 is NCAA fooball, Madden, and MoH. With my limited game choice and lack of time to really sit and play much, I'll just stick with Sony for the time being with PS3.

[BucsD OwnsAgain]

Variety is overrated... Give me the best.

With EA sports going online with the 360 there will be nothing better. Madden on the 360 vs your best friends online... man that will be amazing. Also Final Fantasy fans will go after the 360 because of their partnership as well.

[BucsLJohnson34]

It's hard to agree with McIrish but he has it right finally. :)

With EA sports going online with the 360 there will be nothing better. Madden on the 360 vs your best friends online... man that will be amazing. Also Final Fantasy fans will go after the 360 because of their partnership as well.
That was Rod Tidwell, he just used McIrish's sig for that time being..

[BucsD OwnsAgain]

So confusing with all the sig changes. :confused: Always have to double check now it seems.

[2goodbucs]

[QUOTE=Alan Sabotage]Killzone = FAKE.

Theres plenty of proof (including the developers of killzone themselves admiting it's only a "representation of what we hope to achieve") . The only people still pretending it's real are the slimy execs at sony. Truth is that game doesn't come out until christmas next year, and they didn't have a clue about what hardware was going in the PS2 until this january. So that tells you they didn't have enough time to get an engine for the game built and they are too far away from being finished to have that much done. The scripted "hand drawn" animations prove it's not using an in-game engine, and the fact that the ps3 doesn't exist yet in any form proves it wasn't real-time on any kind of software. All that demo proved was that when you put a DVD into a DVD player..... it plays DVD's.



Ok, now I agree with you about "representation of what we hope to achieve" but after that I disagree. Killzone 2 is not a "put a dvd into a dvd player .......it plays DVD's" type of demo. It is a real time demo using the PS3 hardware. Yes it may be a "scripted" type of demo BUT and I do mean BUT, it is a early stage of what the final game will be like. So if you disagree about that then take a nice warm glass of STFU in the summer because this is the TRUTH!!;

[All_da_way]

X-Box 360.

The gap between quality games that Playstation used to have over their competition (Nintendo and Microsoft) has all but closed.

[no1bucsfan29]

Watching the e3 special on G4 right now, and all I can say is that the graphics, sound, and game play for the ps3 are absolutely mind blowing. All the wat down to sweat falling off peoples arms in the heat. They had some real time stuff on there that was great. Im looking forward to seeing what they say about the new xbox, but the announcers already said it comes up short in comparison to the ps3.

[55dbrooks55]

Variety is overrated... Give me the best.
Then you want PS3. Sony has always had better games than XBOX. All XBOX really had was Halo and yes, the Splinter Cell lineup was better for XBOX as well. But those are the only reasons I would have bought an XBOX. Still...you never know though, X-Box 360 might impress and end up with better games, then again, so might PS3. I'm still gonna go with PS3 because I'm a loyal fan for Sony. I might get an XBOX 360 as well pending the games that come out for it (but as of now, the E3 special on G4TV, XBOX 360 isn't impressing me).

[MarleyMon81]

I only play sports games (Madden and NCAA Football) as well as Medal of Honor. Those three titles have always played well and looked well for me on PS so I'm just going to stick with that. I don't need all the extras simply becasue I don't have alot of time to play it in the first place. But if you want to keep playing your favorite games and series, you have to go next gen.

When does PS3 come out, BTW?

[Alstottfan_87]

I only play sports games (Madden and NCAA Football) as well as Medal of Honor. Those three titles have always played well and looked well for me on PS so I'm just going to stick with that. I don't need all the extras simply becasue I don't have alot of time to play it in the first place. But if you want to keep playing your favorite games and series, you have to go next gen.

When does PS3 come out, BTW?
Thats how I am with my PS2 but have you seen the controller?

It looks goofy as hell, I'd rather just finish the jump to Microsoft.

[MarleyMon81]

I notice 360 really emphasizes the HD capabilities of the system. If you don't have surround sound and/or an HD TV, is 360 still worth getting?

[Grendal]

I notice 360 really emphasizes the HD capabilities of the system. If you don't have surround sound and/or an HD TV, is 360 still worth getting?

If you dont have the money, no. There going to emphasize a lot of things that you dont need, but its going to drive up production cost.

[MarleyMon81]

If you dont have the money, no. There going to emphasize a lot of things that you dont need, but its going to drive up production cost.

I read somewhere that the PS3 has been rumored to have a price tag of just under $500. :eek: I don't know if average gamers can afford something like that at launch.

Any idea what the 360 may cost?

[Alstottfan_87]

I read somewhere that the PS3 has been rumored to have a price tag of just under $500. :eek: I don't know if average gamers can afford something like that at launch.

Any idea what the 360 may cost?
Both are supposed to be upwards of 400 but if you wait until PS3 launches, odds are the 360 will undercut the PS3 by a little bit... or maybe not.

[Buczilla]

Variety is overrated... Give me the best.
Gladly.....

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(I could go on.....but it will only let me post 5 images).

[Ballin_Since_76]

ps3 just cuz ;)

[iluvdabucs]

Both those systems hardware is rather impressive. It is rare that you see something being measured in teraflops in the civilian market. I would give the edge to XBOX, but only slightly. I think it will ultimately be decided by cost and game selection. I'll stick my my PC and playstation2 for another couple years though.

[Th3Clayt0nat3r]

I know $500 sounds too high, more likely if needed they take a hit on the system itself and hope to recoup and then profit w/ the games themselves. I mean $500 for the system, then picking up a game or two $50-$60 each plus memory card, xtra controllers etc... No way they ask casual gamers to fork over $700+ just to get started.
Especially w/ Microsoft giving anyone who purchases their system a free subscription to their basic Live service.

Xbox probably in the $300-$350 range but anyone's guess is just as good.

I was one of the first people to buy Xbox 1 and it cost me 300 dollars.....
No way will Xbox 360 cost only 300....

[MarleyMon81]

Since the only games I normally buy are Medal of Honor, NCAA FB, and Madden I think I'll wait till later in the summer of 2006 till I pick one up. I don't want to re buy those 3 games after just a few months just becasue of the Next Gen systems. I also had a bad episode with the first wave of PS2 and XBox when they came out. Some major quirks with mine and a whole bunch from the same batch. I'll just wait a little maybe into Fall for the price to go down a little and to make sure the OS is bug free.

I just plan on waiting a few months when the PS3 was released. I paid the full $300 tag on release day and it was down to $250 in 6 months. Patience grasshopper.

But with a nearly $500 cost it's getting to where kids can't even realistically ask their parents for these things along with the games and all. I remember when my parents bought me NES when I was 10 and it was around $120 with $40 games and THAT was expensive. I just hope they remember the young gamers in this "Next Gen" wave. Remember the designers of these systems are the same ones and me who grew up on Sonic and Mario. They need to make certain these systems and products are available to the younger generation. Would a rational parent really spend $500 for a system for a 7 year old?

All that being said, you get what you pay for.

[Th3Clayt0nat3r]

For myself, being 13, for Christmas I will ask for an Xbox 360.... That's IT.... Nothing else..... My BIRTHDAY is December 27th, two days after Christmas.... At that time, I will ask for a game...... That should get me started....
I have not bought anything since November 11th (release of Halo 2) trying to save up my money.... Hopefully, when Christmas rolls around, I'll have enough money to buy 2 games and preorder Halo 3....

So, my hope is that, on December 30th, 2005, I will have
a) Xbox 360
b) 2 controllers
c) Gold Edition- Xbox Live
d) 3 games and Halo 3 on it's way

That's a LOT of money....... My parents will be forking out around 575 for Christmas and my birthday..... I will be spending 225......

800 dollars in 5 days....

Right now, my older brothers objective is to get PS3.....

[digitaldave]

Ps3!!

[MarleyMon81]

Ps3!!

That's the way I'm leaning, DD.

[Grendal]

Since the only games I normally buy are Medal of Honor, NCAA FB, and Madden I think I'll wait till later in the summer of 2006 till I pick one up. I don't want to re buy those 3 games after just a few months just becasue of the Next Gen systems. I also had a bad episode with the first wave of PS2 and XBox when they came out. Some major quirks with mine and a whole bunch from the same batch. I'll just wait a little maybe into Fall for the price to go down a little and to make sure the OS is bug free.

I just plan on waiting a few months when the PS3 was released. I paid the full $300 tag on release day and it was down to $250 in 6 months. Patience grasshopper.

But with a nearly $500 cost it's getting to where kids can't even realistically ask their parents for these things along with the games and all. I remember when my parents bought me NES when I was 10 and it was around $120 with $40 games and THAT was expensive. I just hope they remember the young gamers in this "Next Gen" wave. Remember the designers of these systems are the same ones and me who grew up on Sonic and Mario. They need to make certain these systems and products are available to the younger generation. Would a rational parent really spend $500 for a system for a 7 year old?

All that being said, you get what you pay for.

Nintendo is trying to keep the cost of there system down and it will still be able to do what PS3 and Xbox 360 do game wise.

[Grendal]

For myself, being 13, for Christmas I will ask for an Xbox 360.... That's IT.... Nothing else..... My BIRTHDAY is December 27th, two days after Christmas.... At that time, I will ask for a game...... That should get me started....
I have not bought anything since November 11th (release of Halo 2) trying to save up my money.... Hopefully, when Christmas rolls around, I'll have enough money to buy 2 games and preorder Halo 3....

So, my hope is that, on December 30th, 2005, I will have
a) Xbox 360
b) 2 controllers
c) Gold Edition- Xbox Live
d) 3 games and Halo 3 on it's way

That's a LOT of money....... My parents will be forking out around 575 for Christmas and my birthday..... I will be spending 225......

800 dollars in 5 days....

Right now, my older brothers objective is to get PS3.....


Wow, thats almost 1,000 dollars. What the hell? You might as well buy you a Pentium 4 3.8 gig and some games for all that money.

[Sublime]

I can tell you without a shadow of a doubt that the Killzone demo was pre-rendered.

Look at this screenshot (http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2005/135/928377_20050516_screen003.jpg).

What you're seeing in the upper left corner is motion blur. You need to render at 4x the display frame rate to pull of a plausible motion blur, otherwise it looks like you're drugged.

Look at all the various shadows in the scene (on the ground, on thier backs, ripple on uniform in upper left, etc). They're whats called soft shadows and while there has been some success doing it realtime. The only way to accomplish this level of quality is through radiosity and thats is as far from realtime as you can get.

Finally all the models in this are well into the millions of polygons. While these next gen platforms are powerful. They're not that powerful.

The XBox will have the upperhand graphics wise because of the flexible shader units it has and its embedded memory. Nothing currently being shipped (for a console, PC, or purpose built simulation for that matter) is as powerful as this chip. Bandwith between the texture and the framebuffer is the limiting factor in 3d graphics these days and the 360 will have 10x the bandwidth sony will have.

[All_da_way]

The XBox will have the upperhand graphics wise because of the flexible shader units it has and its embedded memory. Nothing currently being shipped (for a console, PC, or purpose built simulation for that matter) is as powerful as this chip. Bandwith between the texture and the framebuffer is the limiting factor in 3d graphics these days and the 360 will have 10x the bandwidth sony will have.

Correct. If I am to fork over so much cash it better be like a PC or else better invest that same money and build a PC from the ground up.

[Sublime]

Correct. If I am to fork over so much cash it better be like a PC or else better invest that same money and build a PC from the ground up.

I would bet that this chip is faster then even ATIs next PC chip. The embedded ram is licensed IP from a 3rd party (I want to say NEC). You more then likely won't see that on a PC chip since ATI can't cut a royalty contract that would make sense on a relatively low volume chip like a high end graphics core for a PC.

Plus on the PC vs Game console, I'll take a console anyday. When I want to send email, web browse, write code, etc a PC is great. When I want to play a game, I don't want to deal with all the stuff associated with a PC like getting the latest drivers. Plus you can squeeze more out of a game when you know the platform you're developing for, rather then developing for the lowest common denomanator like on a PC.

[BucsD OwnsAgain]

Gladly.....

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(I could go on.....but it will only let me post 5 images).

The 360 will have:

Ninja Gaiden 2 (not official yet but announced to most likely be a 360 exclusive)

Gears of War ( new title suppossed to be a good game )

Halo 3 ( predicted to launch the same week as PS3, what a move if Microsoft does it )

Call of Duty 2 ( sequel to the game of the year )

Perfect Dark Zero ( N64 hit game, exclusive on 360 )

Dead or Alive 4

Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon 3

Final Fantasy online ( suppossebly only online for the 360, ps2, and Pc no mention of PS3. )

And as you said, I could go on.

[Grendal]

The 360 will have:

Ninja Gaiden 2 (not official yet but announced to most likely be a 360 exclusive)

Gears of War ( new title suppossed to be a good game )

Halo 3 ( predicted to launch the same week as PS3, what a move if Microsoft does it )

Call of Duty 2 ( sequel to the game of the year )

Perfect Dark Zero ( N64 hit game, exclusive on 360 )

Dead or Alive 4

Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon 3

Final Fantasy online ( suppossebly only online for the 360, ps2, and Pc no mention of PS3. )

And as you said, I could go on.


I can play all those same/type of games on My PC and Gamecube.

[DragnSlayrF31]

Perfect Dark Zero ( N64 hit game, exclusive on 360 )

I'll be getting both then b/c gambit wants the PS3 and I will want the 360 for the above reason alone. It's the reason I've kept the N64. I love that game. It's stupid as hell with the aliens and crap but I love it b/c my daughter and I can do cooperative missions. Great family time. Shooting crap before dinner. :eekretro: ;)

[Buczilla]

Ninja Gaiden 2 (not official yet but announced to most likely be a 360 exclusive)- I've also heard rumors that it will be a ps3 exclusive. (Link (http://ps3.ign.com/articles/617/617879p1.html))

Gears of War ( new title suppossed to be a good game )- Supposed to be a good game? Awesome. :rolleyes:

Halo 3 ( predicted to launch the same week as PS3, what a move if Microsoft does it )- Yes, what a move. Let's rush out the game that needs to be perfect for our console to succeed. If Halo is released the same week as the ps3, then it will be full of bugs and incomplete. And how many people that are planning to buy a ps3 would suddenly change their mind and buy Halo? Not many.

Call of Duty 2 ( sequel to the game of the year )- Game of the year according to who? Xbox magazine? And it's coming out for PC anyways.

Perfect Dark Zero ( N64 hit game, exclusive on 360 )- It's no secret....Rare has sucked for a while now. Donkey Kong for the SNES was great, as was Goldeneye for N64....but since then, the company has done nothing.

Dead or Alive 4- I'm not big on fighting games....but Tekken will be out for the ps3.

Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon 3- PC.

Final Fantasy online ( suppossebly only online for the 360, ps2, and Pc no mention of PS3. )- That's fine.....I'll play it on PC or ps2 if I do play it at all.



Most of the games you listed are playable on other systems....and none of them are out yet.

[BucsLJohnson34]

Halo 3 will take away from PS3 Sales, it will get people thinking about XBOX 360 more and just becuase their best game is already out and stuff it may persuade more..

[Buczilla]

Halo 3 will take away from PS3 Sales, it will get people thinking about XBOX 360 more and just becuase their best game is already out and stuff it may persuade more..
Unlikely.

And Halo will NOT be the best Xbox game if they rush it out to meet the ps3 launch.

[BucsD OwnsAgain]

Most of the games you listed are playable on other systems....and none of them are out yet.

Imagine that, games schdueled for release for the new console haven't come out yet. :rolleyes:

They aren't rushing the release of Halo 3. If they were going to rush it they would have it out on 360's release date. There is quite a bit of difference between November of 2005 and Spring of 2006.

Of course it is unknown if Gears of War is a good game or not... it hasn't came out yet. Developers and consumers who saw demos and or played them all said it looked to be a good game.

Gaiden will go to the 360 just wait for 2 months for it to be announced. "We'll continue to investigate the final platform destination for Ninja Gaiden 2. Our guess is that it's still Xbox 360, but we wouldn't be shocked if it ended up being PS3 or Revolution." Even your link suggests it will be for the 360.

"Call of Duty has won more than 72 Game of the Year honors and 50 Editors' Choice Awards worldwide, including the Academy of Interactive Arts & Sciences - Interactive Achievement Awards and the U.K.'s British Academy of Film and Television Art's Overall Game of the Year honors."

So I guess it could have been Game of the Year in X-Box magazine... but at least 71 other associations thought the same.

And yes your correct. You can spend $99 and $50 for the games on Ps2 and $800 and $50 for the games on PC but I would like everything in one nice $500, perhaps less, package named the XBox 360.

[MarleyMon81]

Ah, I'm so confused and on the fence.

Someone provide me some guidence. If my main game choices are Madden, NCAA FB, and Medal of Honor, which system is the best option? Then again, if PS3 is the outragous $500 price tag, I may have my decision made for me. That's alot of jack. What kid can afford that stuff? I bought my own PS2, most kids can't fork over $500.

[Th3Clayt0nat3r]

Ah, I'm so confused and on the fence.

Someone provide me some guidence. If my main game choices are Madden, NCAA FB, and Medal of Honor, which system is the best option? Then again, if PS3 is the outragous $500 price tag, I may have my decision made for me. That's alot of jack. What kid can afford that stuff? I bought my own PS2, most kids can't fork over $500.

I'd reccomend that you spend your money on the Xbox 360 if you desire football and shooting games (I enjoy shooting and football games as well) because of the controller and online dominance over PS3..... For example, when playing shooting games, the "R" trigger is perfect because it's similar to a real trigger on a gun in real life..... You can control how quickly you fire with the "R" trigger on the 360 controller..... Knowing that you enjoy playing Medal of Honor, I am positive that you'd fall in love with Halo 3..... Halo 3 is similar to Medal of Honor except it has better graphics and has Online capabilities..... Another reason to purchase Xbox 360 is because of Xbox Live.... Xbox Live makes football games like Madden a whole lot more enjoyable.... PS3 does have an online service, but it is inferior to Xbox 360's service because it can get laggy playing with non-broadband players.....

Both PS3 and Xbox 360 are very similar and great systems but when it comes to the money and online service involved, go with Xbox 360.....

[TBFan1975]

Ah, I'm so confused and on the fence.

Someone provide me some guidance. If my main game choices are Madden, NCAA FB, and Medal of Honor, which system is the best option? Then again, if PS3 is the outrageous $500 price tag, I may have my decision made for me. That's a lot of jack. What kid can afford that stuff? I bought my own PS2, most kids can't fork over $500.

It's going to be a tough decision. If you're on the fence I would recommend on waiting and seeing which system comes out of the initial battle. PS2 had the titles and the vast catalogue when XBOX first came out but in the end, XBOX turned out to be the better system for programmers. The next thing you know exclusive PS2 titles (but not all) started to slip over to XBOX (Grand Theft Auto comes to mind and it looked better on the XBOX) as well, along with a few titles on XBOX found on no other system (Halo, Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic 1 & 2 etc.) to go with the online capabilities. Both systems will have the games you mentioned so it depends on what you are looking for and which controller you are most comfortable with. Since those games will come out on both systems, graphically they will look pretty much the same. There may be a bit better shading on one system to another or better loading times but that will barely be noticeable. IMO, I would wait until summer or fall of 2006 and see where both systems are and which one seems to be the better of the 2 (And that should give enough time for both systems to work out the bugs that all 1st edition systems seem to have).

I will probably go with the XBOX360 because of KOTOR and Halo but that isn't set in stone either. Both companies have put out statements saying their systems are faster or more powerful but personally I don't care. The system with the best games (not the most) will be the system I pick.

[Alstottfan_87]

Just got my new EGM and the price they are giving for the 360 (analysts guess) is about 350.

Like Marley was saying, that makes a no-brainer. Xbox 360 and three launch games or wait six odd months and just get a PS3? Hmmm, thats a toughie.

[Buczilla]

Ah, I'm so confused and on the fence.

Someone provide me some guidence. If my main game choices are Madden, NCAA FB, and Medal of Honor, which system is the best option? Then again, if PS3 is the outragous $500 price tag, I may have my decision made for me. That's alot of jack. What kid can afford that stuff? I bought my own PS2, most kids can't fork over $500.
Right now, EA designs their sports games for the ps2 and then ports them over to the other system. If that continues to be the case with the next gen, then I would get a ps3.

[Grendal]

Just got my new EGM and the price they are giving for the 360 (analysts guess) is about 350.

Like Marley was saying, that makes a no-brainer. Xbox 360 and three launch games or wait six odd months and just get a PS3? Hmmm, thats a toughie.

Revolution will probably be 200$. Ill probably go with that. The games will also cost less on Revo, then Xbox and PS3.

[XTrenTX]

Madden 06 is going to be a launch title for Xbox 360, so I'd imagine it will be designed for the 360 and not the Ps3.....same goes for their other 5 launch titles for Xbox 360.

[Buczilla]

Imagine that, games schdueled for release for the new console haven't come out yet. :rolleyes:
Then why are you making an argument for them?

And yes your correct. You can spend $99 and $50 for the games on Ps2 and $800 and $50 for the games on PC but I would like everything in one nice $500, perhaps less, package named the XBox 360.
Fortunately, my computer can do more than play video games.

And a decent computer can be built for $300.00.

[Buczilla]

Madden 06 is going to be a launch title for Xbox 360, so I'd imagine it will be designed for the 360 and not the Ps3.....same goes for their other 5 launch titles for Xbox 360.
Or it will be designed for ps2 and then be ported over to the 360....which is more likely.

[XTrenTX]

Or it will be designed for ps2 and then be ported over to the 360....which is more likely.


That would be a huge mistake...but I guess it's possible...

[XTrenTX]

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/614/614985p1.html


This article makes me think that EA is switching it's favoritism to Microsoft.....

[MarleyMon81]

Just got my new EGM and the price they are giving for the 360 (analysts guess) is about 350.



Even though I'm a PS lifer, $350 360 is alot more digestable than the projected $500. I may have to take the Xbox plunge. I actually have an Xbox but only play Halo 1 and 2 on it.

[MarleyMon81]

I'm assuming there's also the internal HD in the 360, same as Xbox, correct?

[Alstottfan_87]

Even though I'm a PS lifer, $350 360 is alot more digestable than the projected $500. I may have to take the Xbox plunge. I actually have an Xbox but only play Halo 1 and 2 on it.
If you are any kind of Star Wars fan, Knights of the Old Republic is great and you can find it for 20 dollars or under.

Splinter Cell is great too and I just picked up the original for 12 bucks.

Just tryin to give you some ideas so your Xbox stops going to waste as the Halos are only decent single player, no matter how good the multiplayer is, which is phenominal.

You said you play NCAA and Madden, I got Madden 2004 and NCAA 2005 for Xbox and while it takes some time to get used to it, the controls are almost as good for Madden on PS2 and just as good if not better for NCAA, so don't be afraid to convert those two over, it only takes a week or two to get acclimated to Microsoft's layout.

[Buczilla]

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/614/614985p1.html


This article makes me think that EA is switching it's favoritism to Microsoft.....
Because they are releasing a bunch of launch games?

They will probably make Madden 2006 for the ps2, then port it to the 360. Then, for Madden 2007, they will probably redesign the whole thing for whatever console is easiest to develop for. Judging from this generation....that console will be the 360.

[MarleyMon81]

'Zilla you still sticking with the PS? I think I'll wait till the dust settles maybe till summer 2006. All the bugs will be out, the market a little more settled, and a better perspective on both machines. As much as I love the sound of 360, I just don't know...yet.

[XTrenTX]

Because they are releasing a bunch of launch games?

They will probably make Madden 2006 for the ps2, then port it to the 360. Then, for Madden 2007, they will probably redesign the whole thing for whatever console is easiest to develop for. Judging from this generation....that console will be the 360.


"Moore stated "This is the largest development commitment EA has ever made for the launch of a new console." There are more than 25 games in development and there will be at least six titles ready for the launch."

[Buczilla]

If Sony is able to keep all of their contracts with 2nd party developers, then I really see no reason to buy a 360. All of the console games I play (EA Sports games, Gran Turismo, Socom, Ratchet and Clank, GTA, DMC, MGS, etc.) will be available on the ps3.


Although....depending on what Nintendo does with the Revolution....I might not be buying the ps3 or the 360. ;)


I can say that buying a 360 just because it will be out 6 months sooner is stupid....and I'll be shocked if the ps3 retails for more than $350 in the US. Waiting until summer of 2006 is a good idea as you will really be able to see which system you like better.

[Buczilla]

"Moore stated "This is the largest development commitment EA has ever made for the launch of a new console." There are more than 25 games in development and there will be at least six titles ready for the launch."
Most of the games being developed probably didn't exist for past console launches. I would expect it to be the "largest development commitment EA has ever made for the launch of a new console".

[TBFan1975]

'Zilla you still sticking with the PS? I think I'll wait till the dust settles maybe till summer 2006. All the bugs will be out, the market a little more settled, and a better perspective on both machines.

A wise decision. I may take the same approach.

As far as the EA discussion goes, it doesn't make much of a difference if the game is made for a particular system and is ported to another. For example, I bought NHL 03 on XBOX and my old roommate had the NHL 03 on PS2. The games are identical. Gameplay didn't change, graphics were the same, and the loading times didn't seem to be any different. I think a decision on game systems should be made on the basis of exclusive titles not 3rd party content, the controller and other options that interest you. In all fairness, Gamecube actually had the best load times of any of the systems and on some occasions, smoother gameplay. I just don't like the Gamecube controller and XBOX had more games I was interested in. I am not a fanboy of any of the systems as I've owned Atari, Calicovision (sp), Saga, Nintendo, 3DO, Turbografix16, Sony, and Microsoft. Basically, IMO the system that allows me to play more of the games I like is the system I will buy.

[JasonOfthetower]

I usually get all the consoles.

I had Nintendo.
Had Super NES
Had Sega Genesis
Had Sega Saturn
Had Nintendo64
Had Sony Playstation
Had Sega Dreamcast
Have Sony Playstation 2
Have X-Box

I've abandoned Nintendo because their GameCubes sucked and I don't play Mario or Zelda anymore.

I've gotten very accustomed to the X-box because of the hard drive, the slightly better graphics, and Xbox Live. My buds from work and I will get on Xbox Live for some Halo, Unreal, or Doom3 Deathmatching.

Its cool.

I'm like you Marley, other then the FPS games I play with my buds, I usually only dig sports games. NCAA, Madden, NHL, pretty much most of the EA lineup. I used to swear by PS2 but Xbox has converted me over.

Now with Xbox360 getting out of the gate first - I'll be all over that. Have you seen the Madden next gen stuff? Not the manufactured stuff from the NFL draft but the actually gameplay with Shaun Alexander? Its unreal.

Plus it's said that Madden Next Gen will be so realistic that you can find your seat at Raymond James Stadium and get the exact view you would in real life.

XBox360 is a no brainer for me. PS3 I'll pick up when the price comes down or there's a game I really want to play.

[MarleyMon81]

Jason, are those Madden Next Gen pics from the 360?

[CB24]

360.

I might be doing the official theme.

Nuff said.

[BucsD OwnsAgain]

Will the Ps3 have free online play just as the basic XBox 360 package will? ( I googled and didn't come up with any concrete yes or no's )

[All_da_way]

360.

I might be doing the official theme.

Nuff said.

Really? Nice. :grinyes:

[JasonOfthetower]

Jason, are those Madden Next Gen pics from the 360?

Indeed! :grinyes: