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[Grendal]

Talkin' bout a Revolution: Q&A with analyst Michael Pachter

The Nintendo Revolution as the winner? The Xbox as a paperweight? PS3's bodacious Blu-ray bet--wise choice? One analyst discusses and dis's the new hardware platforms shown at E3.
LOS ANGELES--For every platform: an opinion. For every business strategy: an opinion. For every game: well, you get it.

Sharp as a diamond cutter's knife, Wedbush Morgan Securities senior analyst Michael Pachter spent some time with GameSpot at the end of Day 2 of E3 in LA.

We addressed news that had recently surfaced on the Microsoft, Sony, and Nintendo next-gen consoles.

GameSpot: Michael, has anyone seen enough of the Revolution? And is three times faster enough in this gazillion-times-faster-is-not-enough environment?

Michael Pachter: I'm taking Nintendo at their word that Revolution is a multiple faster than the Game Cube, but not a ten- or twenty-fold increase in speed.

So it's not going to be as powerful. But it's obviously going to be priced less expensive than a PS3 and Xbox 360. So strategy wise, I guess what Nintendo is making a bet on is something that's probably beyond their control--the development community and publishers that are going to only make a few games for the Xbox 360 and PS3.

GS: The faster kids on the block lose?

MP: Instead of seeing our normal 200 games each console after a couple of years, we're going to see fewer. And mostly because of development costs. And probably it's going to take more time to make games. It means that there'll be bigger risks and it will be harder to greenlight a project.

GS: But more games on the Revolution?

MP: Nintendo has a deep library, so they are able to bring their new Marios, Zeldas, Kirbys and whatever they can bring out on the Revolution.

And Nintendo has good relationships with Japan, so they'll probably get some support from third-party Japanese publishers.

GS: Sounds like they may approach a win...?

MP: When the US publishers start to weigh the economics of chasing the Xbox 360...even if the installed base is twice as big as the Revolution, if the cost is twice as much, then the US publisher should be indifferent as to whether they make one game for the 360 or two games for the Revolution.

I talked to Nintendo and their strategy is to try to ensure that all the big games that are made for 360 and PS3 are also made for Revolution. If they succeed at that, they're going to do very well.

GS: But how can you succeed if the graphics aren't the same, if the experience isn't the same?

MP: I've seen demos of the 360 and the PS3...I'm not talking about the Sony presentation, actual in-booth demos. So far, I'm not impressed.

The 360 and PS3 look great, but they don't look appreciably different than the very best I've seen on the current Xbox. I'm sure that part of the reason that I'm not really impressed yet is that they haven't spent enough time to make everything totally fluid, motion fluid. But if the Revolution is two or three times faster than the Game Cube, why can't they get something that looks very realistic? I think they will.

GS: It's early, but can you feel a winner in this crowd of three?

MP: I honestly think that they're the same box. I mean, yes, Sony will tell you that they have more RAM and Microsoft will tell you they have three cores, but I think, largely, they're very similar.

GS: Market share?

MP: Microsoft clearly is going to have 100 percent market share for the first year, but it strikes me that if Microsoft doesn't give me a real reason to switch from PS2 to Xbox 360, and if the consumer believes that the PS3 is just as good as the 360, then I'm not going to switch.

So the only way Microsoft gains appreciable marketshare is for Nintendo to fail.

GS: Can you drill down on those numbers?

MP: If Microsoft is going to get 100 percent of the sales the first year, the people who buy that largely are going to be Xbox owners. I doubt that more than 20 percent of the first movers are going to be people who only had a PS2. They'll be the hard core guys who already have an Xbox or who already have both.

When Sony launches the PS3, if the lineup is comparable, and if it's fully backward compatible, plug and play without a software patch, then I think Sony keeps most of their customers.

So my guess is that it'll take a while for Sony to overcome that first year advantage, but in five years [it will look like this:], Microsoft at 30-35 percent, Sony at 45-55 percent, and Nintendo at what's left.

It's possible Nintendo wins if developers don't support either the Sony or the Microsoft platforms with sufficient game quantity to drive people to switch over. And if there are more games available on the Revolution, the Revolution will do better than people expect. I don't think that'll happen, I think that Microsoft and Sony are going to get a lot of support, but we'll see.

GS: Do you read any sort of a change in terms of the way these companies compete? Is this just another launch year, or preface to a launch year, or are the stakes a little bit higher?

MP: Microsoft never, ever intended to be the dominant console of the last cycle.

GS: But are they now?

MP: I don't know whether they are, but I know that this time they think maybe they can be.

GS: With the MTV special, Microsoft took it to consumers early, they didn't wait for E3. Was it smart of Microsoft to play to the bleachers like that?

MP: I think it was lame. Because I think the people who watch MTV are a subset of the audience that they want to appeal to. They want to appeal to an age demographic. And I will grant you that 19-24 year olds are the largest age demographic that watch MTV, but all 19-24 year olds don't watch MTV, and all Xbox owners aren't 19-24.

I think that they picked a target that was a very narrow subset. And obviously cost was a consideration.

GS: A better option would have been what?

MP: I think the free press is the best way to advertise. That "advertising" is not costing them anything. This article is not costing Microsoft anything, and more relevant eyeballs are going to read these words than watched MTV.

They're very funny. I don't think MTV is the gamer. Spike TV is the gamer, G4 is the gamer.

So I think [MTV] was a dumb thing. I don't know if you noticed, but they had the woman, the Asian, the Black English guy....You know what? That's just lame. It's cheesy. The people who buy the Xbox 360 are not women

Now, if it didn't cost very much, then I don't care.

GS: Now tell me what you know about 360 and PS3, any particular attribute you think is genius?

MP: Genius or a disaster: Blue-ray. It's either going to be an absolute driver of sales or it's going to be just an irrelevant feature that doesn't help you at all. If Blue-ray becomes the home video, the movie HD-DVD standard, Sony's brilliant to put it in the box.

I don't know about you, but I got a PS2 at launch and I did not buy a stand-alone DVD player for two years. I used that thing to watch movies for two years.

I will do the same thing with the Blue-ray HD-DVD drive if, in fact, there are films in Blue-ray format.

The bet is that the HD-DVD format doesn't win, or they merge--and I think Howard Stringer, as chairman of Sony, is keenly aware that this is a priority for the company. I think he's taking the company in the direction of making Blue-ray work.

So that is a huge differentiator, because if you buy an Xbox 360, conceivably you're going to have to buy a separate HD-DVD player and keep your Xbox under the TV for those games that aren't backward compatible. So three boxes? With Sony it's one box. Brilliant.

GS: Going into E3 week you probably had an idea of what would transpire in the transition year, next calendar year. After you've been here and heard the pitches, you've picked up a little bit of the vibe, maybe you've seen some games....Can you give me an idea what's going to happen next calendar year?

MP: The big surprise to me is that Microsoft is not taking any more Nvidia chip-sets after this quarter. And that means to me that once Microsoft runs out of the chips that they've inventoried, that they've stored to make future Xboxes, there won't be anymore Xbox.

I don't know how many that is. Microsoft was kind of cryptic about it. They very artfully stated that they would support the Xbox well into 2006. They didn't say they would produce the Xbox well into 2006. I don't think they would stockpile more than those, and so we may see Xbox discontinued by the end of this year.

GS: Are they leaving money on the table with that move?

MP: They aren't leaving profits on the table because they're not making any money on the Xbox hardware.

I think what their view is, and I'm guessing because they haven't announced it, is that if they stop making Xboxes, but you like our product, you'll buy the 360, so that will help the 360 installed base to grow more rapidly.

The problem is, what retailer is going to carry current generation Xbox games next year if there's no Xbox being made? If you remember back to the N64 when the Game Cube came out, we saw no more N64s. What happened to N64 games? They disappeared.

GS: If it's cheap you might buy it.

MP: Well, that's the point...The point of extending the life of the legacy console is that you sell your legacy console, your PS2 for $99. You bring in a customer who doesn't have that much money, who wants to buy a bunch of $20 games. He's not going to buy a 360 and buy a bunch of $20 games.

And in theory, for every next-gen box you sell, somebody throws away a legacy box. But if you sell a new legacy box to a brand new consumer, you maintain the installed base at a certain level, and that drives catalogue sales of older games. The retailers will carry it, and the publishers make a lot of money. Consumers have a lot of choices at low price.

Microsoft seems to be taking the strategy that they are going to abandon the current-generation console...they don't really care about legacy software sales. But it hurts the publishers, it gives consumers fewer choices, and the Xbox essentially is going to turn into a paperweight in 2006.

By Curt Feldman -- GameSpot
POSTED: 05/20/05 10:24 PM PST

http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/05/20/news_6126354.html





You guys assume Nintendo will be Trash next gen. Think about this for a second. With all that power the PS3 and Xbox 360 will have, it will be very expensive for developers to develop on them. That means there will be less games on both systems. Meanwhile since Nintendo didnt put to much Muscle in their system it will cost less for developers to develop on them. Thats why 3rd party companies will flock back to Nintendo.

[YodAa tHe BUC!]

I like Nintendo but it always seems to be getting worse. And this article is dumb. It doesn't really say how the Nintendo will be better other than "economically", instead it just points out all the flaws of the other consoles and again it didn't really say how Revolution will be better except that it will be cheaper to makes games, but that doesn't really matter to the gamer. A kid wants games that look more realistic. And if Nintendos strategy is to make 10 D and 1 A game while XBox and PS3 are making 2 C 2 B and 1 A game then I think people will prefer going for Xbox and Ps3. I don't think Nintendos strategy will be good and they'll just end up targeting little kids again and instead of having one very good game with really good graphics they'll have a bunch of crap pokemon games were you have to teach the pokemon how to crap or how to dance or how to be more annoying! O wait no they can't be any more annoying! Man Nintendo is really turning into the next Barney.

[Alstottfan_87]

i didn't take the time to read all that but i know that Nintendo is all about the gameplay and i think itll be really cool to play old NES and SNES games and their games are always good.

That being said, I'm getting a 360. Why? Because I'll be away at my first year of college and itll have everything I need to make my dorm into the party room. Nintendo doesnt have a DVD player, it won't have great party titles like Halo (well Smash Brothers and Mario Kart, but I'll be in college, not grade school.), and Nintendo won't have future Bioware games and/or new KOTORs.

[Grendal]

i didn't take the time to read all that but i know that Nintendo is all about the gameplay and i think itll be really cool to play old NES and SNES games and their games are always good.

That being said, I'm getting a 360. Why? Because I'll be away at my first year of college and itll have everything I need to make my dorm into the party room. Nintendo doesnt have a DVD player, it won't have great party titles like Halo (well Smash Brothers and Mario Kart, but I'll be in college, not grade school.), and Nintendo won't have future Bioware games and/or new KOTORs.

Your wrong again. Revolution will have a DVD player. And there will be more mature titles such as RE, Metroid, Medal of Honor and others.

[YodAa tHe BUC!]

Wats RE? And Metroid is still not that mature and just because maybe it is somewhat mature they can't just have one mature game and expect to keep customers with it, they need have to have more because not everyone likes shooters (me) or playing in 1st person (me). They also need to have online playing thats actually good.

The thing is that the little kids that bought nintendos back in the early 90s have grown up and if Nintendo doesn't want to lose them as customers they better grow up too.

[Got-defense?]

Pfff...Nintendo...Ya right!

[Grendal]

Wats RE? And Metroid is still not that mature and just because maybe it is somewhat mature they can't just have one mature game and expect to keep customers with it, they need have to have more because not everyone likes shooters (me) or playing in 1st person (me). They also need to have online playing thats actually good.

The thing is that the little kids that bought nintendos back in the early 90s have grown up and if Nintendo doesn't want to lose them as customers they better grow up too.

RE is Resident Evil. You say you dont like FP Shooters, well thats all Xbox has to offer. And Revolution will have free online thats better than Xbox live.

[Got-defense?]

Hey Grendal....There is going to be 2 versions of xbox live.

Xbox Live Silver: Free...You dont pay a peny.
Xbox Live Gold: You pay...But you have TONS and I mean TONS of new feature!

[Alstottfan_87]

Your wrong again. Revolution will have a DVD player. And there will be more mature titles such as RE, Metroid, Medal of Honor and others.
My bad, just assumed Rev. wouldnt have a DVD player, but still, the release hasn't even been announced right?

Why should I wait a year or so longer than the 360 to get what the PS2 or Xbox has now but with better graphics?

(BTW, I'd say RE is the only adult game they have, some for teenagers but they couldn't even hold on to Conker for crying out loud.)

[Alstottfan_87]

Hey Grendal....There is going to be 2 versions of xbox live.

Xbox Live Silver: Free...You dont pay a peny.
Xbox Live Gold: You pay...But you have TONS and I mean TONS of new feature!
I didn't hear that, that makes things even sweeter.

[Got-defense?]

Yeah Microsoft and J. Allard confirmed it.

I read more about the Xbox Live Silver...You dont pay nothing you just subscribe and you play xbox live...But here is the catch....Microsoft tells you what date you have to play Xbox Live so it can be free....Jay Allard said every weekend its free and they are going to chose 2 days of the week that you can play xbox live for free.

^^^...I am talking about Xbox Live Silver.

And the Gold version....You pay yearly or monthly and you play live with tons of features....They are going to talk more about Xbox Live during the upcoming weeks.

[Grendal]

Yeah Microsoft and J. Allard confirmed it.

I read more about the Xbox Live Silver...You dont pay nothing you just subscribe and you play xbox live...But here is the catch....Microsoft tells you what date you have to play Xbox Live so it can be free....Jay Allard said every weekend its free and they are going to chose 2 days of the week that you can play xbox live for free.

^^^...I am talking about Xbox Live Silver.

And the Gold version....You pay yearly or monthly and you play live with tons of features....They are going to talk more about Xbox Live during the upcoming weeks.

They could make the whole thing free if they wanted to. Its just a cheap way to make money. Thats why im sticking with Revolution, everything is free.

[Alstottfan_87]

Yeah Microsoft and J. Allard confirmed it.

I read more about the Xbox Live Silver...You dont pay nothing you just subscribe and you play xbox live...But here is the catch....Microsoft tells you what date you have to play Xbox Live so it can be free....Jay Allard said every weekend its free and they are going to chose 2 days of the week that you can play xbox live for free.

^^^...I am talking about Xbox Live Silver.

And the Gold version....You pay yearly or monthly and you play live with tons of features....They are going to talk more about Xbox Live during the upcoming weeks.
Is there still gonna be downloadable content for Silver?

Because I'm gonna want something to keep me busy between weekends or whatever and new maps for dorm parties.

[Got-defense?]

Dont worry...For sure they are gonna make free content for Silver.

[YodAa tHe BUC!]

RE is Resident Evil. You say you dont like FP Shooters, well thats all Xbox has to offer. And Revolution will have free online thats better than Xbox live.

XBox and PS offer other games then shooting. They all have a bunch more sports games which is what I like and they also have GTA and StarWars Ep III and also I've seen a couple of games here and there (Only one I can think of is Stuntman or something) that I've wanted to play but due to M ratings and stuff Nintendo didn't have them and just because the Online thing will be free doesn't mean it will be good. GC right now has free online but no one knows about because its crap, so I'd rather pay for something that will be good then to get free crap. I'd rather have a diamond with a flaw than a pebble witout.

[Buczilla]

The Revolution online service will be great.....Message boards, exclusive game news, downloadable demos.....all accessible in one central location.....and it will be free. Then, of course, there is a huge library of past Nintendo games to download (although those will probably cost something).


It is my personal belief that the "revolution" we will be presented with will have something to do with force feedback in the controller. Not *just* force feedback, but extraordinary force feedback....to the point where you would literally be able to feel the texture on walls through the controller (yes, it is possible via force feedback, and yes....it is very cool).

[Buczilla]

XBox and PS offer other games then shooting. They all have a bunch more sports games which is what I like and they also have GTA and StarWars Ep III and also I've seen a couple of games here and there (Only one I can think of is Stuntman or something) that I've wanted to play but due to M ratings and stuff Nintendo didn't have them and just because the Online thing will be free doesn't mean it will be good. GC right now has free online but no one knows about because its crap, so I'd rather pay for something that will be good then to get free crap. I'd rather have a diamond with a flaw than a pebble witout.
You have no idea what you're talking about.

[YodAa tHe BUC!]

The most important reason of why I'm starting to not like Nintendo is because they're so high on their own games and characters and they makes everything mario tennis mario gold mario rugby mario everything! Mario is cool but man it gets annoying, and how do I not know what I'm talking about Buczilla?

[Grendal]

XBox and PS offer other games then shooting. They all have a bunch more sports games which is what I like and they also have GTA and StarWars Ep III and also I've seen a couple of games here and there (Only one I can think of is Stuntman or something) that I've wanted to play but due to M ratings and stuff Nintendo didn't have them and just because the Online thing will be free doesn't mean it will be good. GC right now has free online but no one knows about because its crap, so I'd rather pay for something that will be good then to get free crap. I'd rather have a diamond with a flaw than a pebble witout.

Nintendo does have "M" rating titles:

Dead to rights
BMX XXX
True Crime
Judge Dredd
Def Jam Series
Metal Gear Series
Resident Evil
Just to name a few.

The reason Nintendo felt they shouldnt support online is because they didnt want to charge people for it, but they wanted it to be quality. I have no problems with that being that I have a PC anyway. Trust me, the revolution will be a better buy for pure gaming after its all said and done.

[Alstottfan_87]

Nintendo does have "M" rating titles:

Dead to rights
BMX XXX
True Crime
Judge Dredd
Def Jam Series
Metal Gear Series
Resident Evil
Just to name a few.

The reason Nintendo felt they shouldnt support online is because they didnt want to charge people for it, but they wanted it to be quality. I have no problems with that being that I have a PC anyway. Trust me, the revolution will be a better buy for pure gaming after its all said and done.
I'd say Metal Gear is the only dynamite title on there and thats a port with shiny new graphics, anyone can make a crappy game for Gamecube and make it gory enough to get an M.

I guess Resident Evil is pretty good too but I never got into them.

And most gamers over 14 or so expect more than just pure gaming, right now the systems are tied for ability and its all about:

1. Who makes the quality games

2. Who has the most extra features

[Grendal]

I'd say Metal Gear is the only dynamite title on there and thats a port with shiny new graphics, anyone can make a crappy game for Gamecube and make it gory enough to get an M.

I guess Resident Evil is pretty good too but I never got into them.

And most gamers over 14 or so expect more than just pure gaming, right now the systems are tied for ability and its all about:

1. Who makes the quality games

2. Who has the most extra features

1. Nintendo always makes quality games, thats why there second in Software sales behind EA....

2. Extra features mean extra money and I can already do those extra "features" on a PC.

[Grendal]

I'd say Metal Gear is the only dynamite title on there and thats a port with shiny new graphics, anyone can make a crappy game for Gamecube and make it gory enough to get an M.

I guess Resident Evil is pretty good too but I never got into them.



Splinter Cell
Eternal Darkness
Killer 7
Mortal Combat series

Shall I go on?

PS. Just because a game is "M" rated doesnt mean its good and fun

[Alstottfan_87]

Splinter Cell
Eternal Darkness
Killer 7
Mortal Combat series

Shall I go on?

PS. Just because a game is "M" rated doesnt mean its good and fun
I've played Splinter Cell on both Xbox and GC and it's better by far on the Box.

Killer 7 looks lame as hell and is it even a GC exclusive?

The GC controller blows for fighters because of their different sized buttons so Mortal Kombat blows on it also.

Can't speak for Eternal Darkness, never played it.

The truth is, theres less than a handful of original 3rd party games on GC woth buying.

Everyone likes Zelda and Mario, but theres more to life than platforming and pasting Mario's face on racers and sports games, no matter if they are good or not.

PS, that was what I was trying to say, a crappy game with enough gore to get an M rating is still just a crappy game with gore.

PPS, thanks for adding two games to my point that Gamecube re-hashes good games (Splinter Cell and Mortal Kombat) and just ends up making them worse.

[Grendal]

I've played Splinter Cell on both Xbox and GC and it's better by far on the Box.

Killer 7 looks lame as hell and is it even a GC exclusive?

The GC controller blows for fighters because of their different sized buttons so Mortal Kombat blows on it also.

Can't speak for Eternal Darkness, never played it.

The truth is, theres less than a handful of original 3rd party games on GC woth buying.

Everyone likes Zelda and Mario, but theres more to life than platforming and pasting Mario's face on racers and sports games, no matter if they are good or not.

PS, that was what I was trying to say, a crappy game with enough gore to get an M rating is still just a crappy game with gore.

PPS, thanks for adding two games to my point that Gamecube re-hashes good games (Splinter Cell and Mortal Kombat) and just ends up making them worse.


Looks can be deceiving and it is an exclusive.

Thats in your opinion. I like the controller personally, it fits my hands perfectly.

Eternal Darkness is better then any horror game on PS2 or Xbox gameplay wise.

There is less than half of 3rd party games on PS2 and Xbox worth buying..... You wouldnt buy all Third party PS2 games, you wouldnt even buy a quarter

Theres more to life than rehashing the same gameplay found in GTA and Halo no matter if there good or not

PS. So since PS2 and Xbox are filled with crappy gorey games with M ratings, then they most be crappy systems game wise right?

PPS. PS2 and Xbox rehash a lot of games for PC and makes them worse, namely:

Doom 3
Rainbow Six
Hitman(thats on GC also)
Metal Gear series

[JasonOfthetower]

Nintendo will have the same problem they've always had since PS and Sega. No third party games.

Sure, they have their big guns, Zelda and Mario...but what else do they have that the other systems don't in regards to third party games?

It's all about demand. Xbox360 will be first out and will likely get the biggest sales boost because of it.

PS3 has name recognition.

We all saw how GC failed miserably behind the other two systems - I see no reason why Revolution will be any different.

[YodAa tHe BUC!]

The controller is fine and if there will be online capability and a DVD player then yes I will give it a chance but here are the main things I don't like about Nintendo:

-They're so high on their own characters and really only make games about them which gets annoying after Mario Golf (Ex:All the Mario and Pokemon games that have nothing to do with Mario or Pokemon)

-They constantly redesign their systems and make them better which ****es me of if I get one kind and the next month a better one comes out (Ex:GameBoy Advance, Gameboy Advance Sp, and now a Gameboy advance mini or something)

-When ever a kick *** game comes out, its only on PS PS2 XBox Gameboy Gameboy Advance Nintendo DS but not GameCube WTF?!?!?!? (I don't know if its Nintendo's or the publishers fault but it gets annoying)

-Nintendo turns its back on all of its original gamers by not growing up and having more mature games (This doesn't mean M rated just means more mature)

[Grendal]

Nintendo will have the same problem they've always had since PS and Sega. No third party games.

Sure, they have their big guns, Zelda and Mario...but what else do they have that the other systems don't in regards to third party games?

It's all about demand. Xbox360 will be first out and will likely get the biggest sales boost because of it.

PS3 has name recognition.

We all saw how GC failed miserably behind the other two systems - I see no reason why Revolution will be any different.

Oh but nintendo is picking up 3rd party support for the next system.

Square-Enix already confirmed there will be Final Fantasy on Revo and other Square games.
Nameco always supported Nintendo and will do so.
Rockstar has been developing on Gameboy, no reason to believe they want support Revo.
Capcom always supported Nintendo and will continue to do so.
Sega confirmed they will be on board for the Next Gen for Nintendo.
EA always supports Nintendo and will continue to do so.
Bandai confirmed they will support Revo.
THQ will be on board, although I could care less about them.
Acclaim will be on board.
Ubisoft brought Splinter Cell to the cube and will continue with Revo.

You should do some research before looking at the past. And GC didnt Fail Miserably. Your forgetting one market where they picked up alot of Profit: Japan. Over there Xbox is a nothing. They know what real gaming machines are.

[Grendal]

The controller is fine and if there will be online capability and a DVD player then yes I will give it a chance but here are the main things I don't like about Nintendo:

-They're so high on their own characters and really only make games about them which gets annoying after Mario Golf (Ex:All the Mario and Pokemon games that have nothing to do with Mario or Pokemon)

-They constantly redesign their systems and make them better which ****es me of if I get one kind and the next month a better one comes out (Ex:GameBoy Advance, Gameboy Advance Sp, and now a Gameboy advance mini or something)

-When ever a kick *** game comes out, its only on PS PS2 XBox Gameboy Gameboy Advance Nintendo DS but not GameCube WTF?!?!?!? (I don't know if its Nintendo's or the publishers fault but it gets annoying)

-Nintendo turns its back on all of its original gamers by not growing up and having more mature games (This doesn't mean M rated just means more mature)

The only "M" games Nintendo doesnt have for the Cube are GTA and Halo. Now we both can agree these two games get BORING after awhile. When you look at it True Crimes came out on the Cube and its better than GTA. Metroid Prime is a good substitute for Halo.

[YodAa tHe BUC!]

I don't like Metroid thats just me but since its Nintendo, when Metroid or Zelda come 0ut they just keep feeding it to you and it gets annoying because its like every one at Nintendo stops what they're doing and watch the greatness of these games which aren't even that great. This one goes under them being in love with only themselves and their greatness. Again I don't need an M rated game just a more mature game that isn't about Mario more often. And you can't deny that they make everything about Mario.

Ex: They're finally making DDR for Nintendo and what will it be called? O well of course DDR Mario Mix!!!!!! OMG please just keep it DDR! You don't have to add Mario in there!

[Alstottfan_87]

The only "M" games Nintendo doesnt have for the Cube are GTA and Halo. Now we both can agree these two games get BORING after awhile. When you look at it True Crimes came out on the Cube and its better than GTA. Metroid Prime is a good substitute for Halo.
I really am taking you seriously but if you keep talking like that then I might have to stop.

GTA and Halo are the Mario of PS2 and Xbox respectively... Both are great, GTA never gets old, I still dig out 3 from time to time but Halo never runs out of fun as long as youre playing mulitplayer, sure the single player isnt very good, but thats because its a party game.

True Crime pales in comparison to even GTA 3, and it came out the same time as Vice City.

Also, I really hope Revo. doesnt get a mainstream Final Fantasy exclusively soon like you implied.

I think Nintendo would be awesome if they just stopped making systems and just made software for Xbox and PS2 like Sega did, I'd be happy to have Mario and Link on my 360, but I won't buy a new system for them.

[Grendal]

I really am taking you seriously but if you keep talking like that then I might have to stop.

GTA and Halo are the Mario of PS2 and Xbox respectively... Both are great, GTA never gets old, I still dig out 3 from time to time but Halo never runs out of fun as long as youre playing mulitplayer, sure the single player isnt very good, but thats because its a party game.

True Crime pales in comparison to even GTA 3, and it came out the same time as Vice City.

Also, I really hope Revo. doesnt get a mainstream Final Fantasy exclusively soon like you implied.

I think Nintendo would be awesome if they just stopped making systems and just made software for Xbox and PS2 like Sega did, I'd be happy to have Mario and Link on my 360, but I won't buy a new system for them.

You contradict yourself to much. You say you want mario and link, but not on a Nintendo system. My question is, why were you complaining about them but want them at the same time?

[Rorschach]

(well Smash Brothers and Mario Kart, but I'll be in college, not grade school.), .
Mario Kart and Mario Party can be turned into drinking games with very little effort. And that is what freshmen year is all about, finding any excuse to drink (and yes class counts as an excuse)

[Grendal]

Mario Kart and Mario Party can be turned into drinking games with very little effort. And that is what freshmen year is all about, finding any excuse to drink (and yes class counts as an excuse)

Same Scenario at FSU, especially at those keg parties.....

[Alstottfan_87]

You contradict yourself to much. You say you want mario and link, but not on a Nintendo system. My question is, why were you complaining about them but want them at the same time?
I wasn't complaining about Nintendo at all, if you look at my first post, it says that Nintendo makes great games.

But thats it, Nintendo makes great games for their system but hardly anyone else does. Its all just rehashes or crap.

I'll say it again, Nintendo should go the way of Sega and just develop for Sony and Microsoft.

[Alstottfan_87]

Mario Kart and Mario Party can be turned into drinking games with very little effort. And that is what freshmen year is all about, finding any excuse to drink (and yes class counts as an excuse)
Going to a christian school to become a minister so I don't get to play drinking games...



For four years anyway.

[Grendal]

I wasn't complaining about Nintendo at all, if you look at my first post, it says that Nintendo makes great games.

But thats it, Nintendo makes great games for their system but hardly anyone else does. Its all just rehashes or crap.

I'll say it again, Nintendo should go the way of Sega and just develop for Sony and Microsoft.

GTA and Halo are rehashed craped to me. Same gameplay, similar stroyline. Crap.

Ill say this again, Nintendo will never develop for other companies. Their to prideful. It seems to me your just looing at the amount of catalogue sony and micro has, but not looking at the content.

[Grendal]

Going to a christian school to become a minister so I don't get to play drinking games...



For four years anyway.

Do they allow you to play GTA? I wouldnt call that kind of game christianly.

[All_da_way]

I was a loyal Nintendo fan (Now X-Box fan :D ) but the N-64 was a complete disaster (Zelda and Goldeneye were the only decent games on the console).

If Nintendo's strategy is to target the younger audience once more (Like they did with the N-64 for the most part) then they will be in for a rude suprise. I mean they can stay competitive targeting the younger audiences but ultimately the adult audience has grown significantly and many younger kids tend to play more of the "serious", mature games any ways. Taking away those potential customers will hurt them in the beggining when they try to sell their new next gen console. But I suppose that more adults tend to have PS2 or X-Box anyways so they probably figured to focus on a niche market instead of having to compete against MS and Sony. It is a conservative strategy but to those loyal Nintendo fans who are now adults that is not really good news to hear IMVHO.

[Buczilla]

the N-64 was a complete disaster
???

The N64 established the precedent for true-3d games...it was quite possibly the best console ever.

[YodAa tHe BUC!]

I think he meant game wise. Yeah N64 made 3D games 1st but they didn't make that many good 3D games and the ones that were good, obviously were only made by Nintendo

[Grendal]

I think he meant game wise. Yeah N64 made 3D games 1st but they didn't make that many good 3D games and the ones that were good, obviously were only made by Nintendo

Okay, so Nintendo does produce good games then right?

I could of sworn some people said they wasnt so good.

[All_da_way]

...it was quite possibly the best console ever.

:confused: :confused: :confused:

Huh? Are we talking about the same N-64? You know without Goldeneye or Zelda series pretty much had no other solid titles???

Are we talking about the same N-64 that used cartridges? You know cartridges that not many companies wanted to develope games for (hence why N-64 lacked many quality games)???

Are we talking about the same N-64 that was heavily targeted to younger audiences??? (Which frustrated me the most about being a loyal Nintendo fan at the time).

You must be on cloud nine to think (or even consider)that the N-64 was the best console ever and I was an ex Nintendo fan.

Best consoles ever was back in the day when SEGA (which is now my favorite software company) was going at with Nintendo (Genesis vs SNES). That was the golden age of gaming and that is where gaming took off and it is what it is today.

[Alstottfan_87]

Do they allow you to play GTA? I wouldnt call that kind of game christianly.
That would be why I'm taking my Xbox and not my PS2 to college.

And there is a very big difference between playing a game where you do illegal things and doing illegal things.

Also, if Nintendo doesnt change something soon, the only option they'll have is to develop for other systems, because people all over are jumping ship.

[dawgland]

Same Scenario at FSU, especially at those keg parties.....
Eh, thats the same scenario at just about every university and college in the united states.

[YodAa tHe BUC!]

Okay, so Nintendo does produce good games then right?

I could of sworn some people said they wasnt so good.
I never said they weren't good I said they slap Mario and Pokemon onto everything and that gets annoying. And I also said that they don't make more serious games because they're going for little kids only (Can't say mature or you'll do your little list of pathetic games that not everyone likes)

And the one game that is serious isn't as great as all the Nintendo worshipers say it is. Nintendo has become so bad that I don't even play anything outside of EA Sports anymore because I know that if I do it'll suck, and EA on GC isn't even that great because since they don't wanna charge I can't connect the GC online and play other people or download the new roster or anything! God I don't care if Nintendo charges me I just want quality not crappy quantity.

[Buczilla]

:confused: :confused: :confused:

Huh? Are we talking about the same N-64? You know without Goldeneye or Zelda series pretty much had no other solid titles???

Are we talking about the same N-64 that used cartridges? You know cartridges that not many companies wanted to develope games for (hence why N-64 lacked many quality games)???

Are we talking about the same N-64 that was heavily targeted to younger audiences??? (Which frustrated me the most about being a loyal Nintendo fan at the time).

You must be on cloud nine to think (or even consider)that the N-64 was the best console ever and I was an ex Nintendo fan.

Best consoles ever was back in the day when SEGA (which is now my favorite software company) was going at with Nintendo (Genesis vs SNES). That was the golden age of gaming and that is where gaming took off and it is what it is today.
Not software wise....but with the number of hardware innovations it presented (analog stick, rumble pack) as well as defining the way that 90% of the games that come out today are played, I do consider it the best console ever.

[All_da_way]

Not software wise....but with the number of hardware innovations it presented (analog stick, rumble pack) as well as defining the way that 90% of the games that come out today are played, I do consider it the best console ever.

I disagree completely.

If we are talking about innovations and completely shaping gaming then the orginal NES is considered the best console ever.

[Grendal]

I never said they weren't good I said they slap Mario and Pokemon onto everything and that gets annoying. And I also said that they don't make more serious games because they're going for little kids only (Can't say mature or you'll do your little list of pathetic games that not everyone likes)

And the one game that is serious isn't as great as all the Nintendo worshipers say it is. Nintendo has become so bad that I don't even play anything outside of EA Sports anymore because I know that if I do it'll suck, and EA on GC isn't even that great because since they don't wanna charge I can't connect the GC online and play other people or download the new roster or anything! God I don't care if Nintendo charges me I just want quality not crappy quantity.

What are more "serious" games? Let me know, because when I play a game, im not "serious" about it. Games are made to entertain, at least thats what I thought. And there are games out there on the cube that are serious, but not "M" rated.

Metroid
Goldeneye games
Medal of Honor
Splinter Cell
Soul Calibur
Smash Brothers(I consider this "serious")

And the point of this thread anyway was to show how Nintendo will be improved in the future, not how "bad" you think they were in the past.

[Grendal]

I never said they weren't good I said they slap Mario and Pokemon onto everything and that gets annoying. .

Then dont buy them. Plain and Simple. There are other good quality games on the Cube besides those games.

[Grendal]

That would be why I'm taking my Xbox and not my PS2 to college.

And there is a very big difference between playing a game where you do illegal things and doing illegal things.

Also, if Nintendo doesnt change something soon, the only option they'll have is to develop for other systems, because people all over are jumping ship.

That wont ever happen. There too prideful to that, and the demand for them in Japan is still high so.............................

If you do some research, you will see that developers are steady climbing on board to develop for the REVOLUTION.

[Alstottfan_87]

That wont ever happen. There too prideful to that, and the demand for them in Japan is still high so.............................

If you do some research, you will see that developers are steady climbing on board to develop for the REVOLUTION.
Let me rephrase: People all over Amercia are jumping ship.

And I really don't care that developers are steadily climbing on board because enough of them have already jumped off that I can enjoy good games that were Nintendo exclusives five years ago (Perfect Dark Zero, Conker) without having to buy an extra system.

BTW, SSBM is not serious in any way. You can play as the Ice Climbers and slap a fake princess with a flower and knock her out. If you take that out, theres only one other game in the latest list that was even designed specifically for the GC, further showing that GC is really really good at taking good games and messing them up in the port to their layout.

[Grendal]

Let me rephrase: People all over Amercia are jumping ship.

And I really don't care that developers are steadily climbing on board because enough of them have already jumped off that I can enjoy good games that were Nintendo exclusives five years ago (Perfect Dark Zero, Conker) without having to buy an extra system.

BTW, SSBM is not serious in any way. You can play as the Ice Climbers and slap a fake princess with a flower and knock her out. If you take that out, theres only one other game in the latest list that was even designed specifically for the GC, further showing that GC is really really good at taking good games and messing them up in the port to their layout.

Not everyone in America is jumping Ship. Software sales indicate that the most. And you only listed one company(Rare) that has jumped ship. Perfect Dark is the only game I cared about anyway from them and I can experience perfect dark gameplay in other games such as Timesplitters and games on PC. Yes SSBM is "serious". Thats the fun in the game, playing with characters you never thought possible and beating the crap out of them. And explain to me how the ports of games are "messed up" when they came to GC? And you still havent answered my question about what is a "serious" game?

[Alstottfan_87]

Not everyone in America is jumping Ship. Software sales indicate that the most. And you only listed one company(Rare) that has jumped ship. Perfect Dark is the only game I cared about anyway from them and I can experience perfect dark gameplay in other games such as Timesplitters and games on PC. Yes SSBM is "serious". Thats the fun in the game, playing with characters you never thought possible and beating the crap out of them. And explain to me how the ports of games are "messed up" when they came to GC? And you still havent answered my question about what is a "serious" game?
Ummm, I didn't bring up the serious thing, but I'll tell you what a serious game isn't: SSBM

They are messed up because the gameplay is altered to a point (mostly because of the controller) that changes the game experience and you don't have as much fun.

I only brought up Rare because thats the only Former Nintendo exclusive developer I care about. As long as I have Bioware I could care less if everyone jumped to Nintendo.

[Buczilla]

I disagree completely.

If we are talking about innovations and completely shaping gaming then the orginal NES is considered the best console ever.
In that case....why not Atari?

As far as current generation system goes....N64 was the best.

[Grendal]

Ummm, I didn't bring up the serious thing, but I'll tell you what a serious game isn't: SSBM

They are messed up because the gameplay is altered to a point (mostly because of the controller) that changes the game experience and you don't have as much fun.

I only brought up Rare because thats the only Former Nintendo exclusive developer I care about. As long as I have Bioware I could care less if everyone jumped to Nintendo.

I think you need to look up what game play means. Your telling me ports like Soul Calibur gameplay is messed up because of the controller, or Medal of Honor, or LOTR, or Madden, or Goldeneye, or Splinter cell?

C'Mon man do better than that. I think it makes them better personally. Also, your used to a PS controller so of course a GC controller is gonna feel funny to you. Its not going to mess up game play though.

[YodAa tHe BUC!]

1st of Rare was the maker of the "good" Goldeneye game so since they don't make it anymore you can't really use Goldeneye games as an example because the way EA makes Bond games, the correct name of series, doesn't live up to what Rare made.

Serious game just means more mature but the reason I didn't say Mature was because you automatically jump to the conclusion that I wanna blow of a drug dealers head. If you were smart Grendal you wouldn't have to ask what Serious means.

Nintendo putting Mario and Pokemon all over their stuff can get annoying without me buying it. Why would I buy something that annoys me?

Sales for the Nintendo are so high because its very cheap (the one good thing, but thats not good enough) and because little kids that have know knowledge about video games see Pikachu slapped on it so they ask Santa for one and the parent gets it for them seeing its the cheaper move but that doesn't make it better.

The reason this thread has become listing of the bad things from Nintendo is because the Article you posted was just naming the bad things of the other Systems and one good thing about Nintendo.

And yes I see your list but what I want those extra features that yeah are more expensive but worth it, and those other more serious games (doesn't mean killing games). And you shouldn't really use that list to defend that there are serious games on GC because the PS1 list would be minimum twice as long.

[YodAa tHe BUC!]

In that case....why not Atari?

As far as current generation system goes....N64 was the best.

Because Atari had like one game and NES opened the door all the way by introducing a lot more things then Atari did and at the same time period.

N64 can't be the best system out of current generations because its one generation old already. Current generations would PS2 XBox GC and the late Dreamcast (It did make it that far) N64 would go against PS1 and whatever sega had then, N64 was the best out of these but not the best ever.

[Alstottfan_87]

I think it makes them better personally. .
Thats what its all about, its just that I'm used to Xbox and PS2 controllers so I'm not gonna have as much fun on a GC controller with the same game.

You're right, I mixed up Gameplay with Control, my bad.

I'm just gonna say that we should agree to disagree because I'm tired of the arguing.

[Grendal]

Thats what its all about, its just that I'm used to Xbox and PS2 controllers so I'm not gonna have as much fun on a GC controller with the same game.

You're right, I mixed up Gameplay with Control, my bad.

I'm just gonna say that we should agree to disagree because I'm tired of the arguing.

I can do that. I just dont like it when people hear Nintendo, they automatically cry its Kiddy. Thats not really the case if people were just more knowledgeable.

[Grendal]

1st of Rare was the maker of the "good" Goldeneye game so since they don't make it anymore you can't really use Goldeneye games as an example because the way EA makes Bond games, the correct name of series, doesn't live up to what Rare made.

Serious game just means more mature but the reason I didn't say Mature was because you automatically jump to the conclusion that I wanna blow of a drug dealers head. If you were smart Grendal you wouldn't have to ask what Serious means.

Nintendo putting Mario and Pokemon all over their stuff can get annoying without me buying it. Why would I buy something that annoys me?

Sales for the Nintendo are so high because its very cheap (the one good thing, but thats not good enough) and because little kids that have know knowledge about video games see Pikachu slapped on it so they ask Santa for one and the parent gets it for them seeing its the cheaper move but that doesn't make it better.

The reason this thread has become listing of the bad things from Nintendo is because the Article you posted was just naming the bad things of the other Systems and one good thing about Nintendo.

And yes I see your list but what I want those extra features that yeah are more expensive but worth it, and those other more serious games (doesn't mean killing games). And you shouldn't really use that list to defend that there are serious games on GC because the PS1 list would be minimum twice as long.

Give me a game thats "Serious" but not "Mature" and its worth buying. It also seems like you would want little kids playing Halo and GTA. I see nothing wrong with my Little 7 year old cousin asking me for a Pikachu game and not a GTA or "serious" game, whatever that means. And right now Im a college student so I cant afford those "little" extra features for that much money. There are other important stuff such as gas and food that takes much prescedence over 50 dollars a month for online gameing when I can do the same thing on PC and the same game.

And Please give me an example of a "serious" game and I can counter that with any game in Nintendos catalogue that is "serious".

[YodAa tHe BUC!]

Serious and Mature is the same thing ok. No I don't want 7 yr olds playing GTA but I do want Nintendo to make games for teens seeing as we were there main customers when they started out. Some serious games

All the Star Wars games that GC doesn't have
GTA games
Halo would be cool
CounterStrike
ESPN Sega games
Burnout 3 Takedown
DDR
Stuntman game or w/e its called
These are the game s I would like to play but GC doesn't have em.

And also they should have extra features and not have them added on to the system itself so that you don't have to get them but if I want to I can
Ex: Internet capability!

[JasonOfthetower]

Oh but nintendo is picking up 3rd party support for the next system.

Square-Enix already confirmed there will be Final Fantasy on Revo and other Square games.
Nameco always supported Nintendo and will do so.
Rockstar has been developing on Gameboy, no reason to believe they want support Revo.
Capcom always supported Nintendo and will continue to do so.
Sega confirmed they will be on board for the Next Gen for Nintendo.
EA always supports Nintendo and will continue to do so.
Bandai confirmed they will support Revo.
THQ will be on board, although I could care less about them.
Acclaim will be on board.
Ubisoft brought Splinter Cell to the cube and will continue with Revo.

You should do some research before looking at the past. And GC didnt Fail Miserably. Your forgetting one market where they picked up alot of Profit: Japan. Over there Xbox is a nothing. They know what real gaming machines are.

That's fine and dandy Grendl but I could give a rats behind about Japan. We don't live in Japan. We live here and in the ole US of A Gamecube was a DISTANT third among the Second gen systems.

In addition - I can get ALL of those makers on Xbox360. In fact - Square Enix for the first time will be releasing Xbox360 exclusive titles including a version of Final Fantasy XI. Tell me why I should buy a Revolution?

[YodAa tHe BUC!]

He just gonna say because its cheap and he needs the gas money so you should too!

[Grendal]

Serious and Mature is the same thing ok. No I don't want 7 yr olds playing GTA but I do want Nintendo to make games for teens seeing as we were there main customers when they started out. Some serious games

All the Star Wars games that GC doesn't have
GTA games
Halo would be cool
CounterStrike
ESPN Sega games
Burnout 3 Takedown
DDR
Stuntman game or w/e its called
These are the game s I would like to play but GC doesn't have em.

And also they should have extra features and not have them added on to the system itself so that you don't have to get them but if I want to I can
Ex: Internet capability!

Ok, most of the star war games on PS2 and Xbox are on GC
GTA Sucks. I prefer True Crimes which is on GC.
Metroid is better than Halo as far as single player mode. I can play Doom 3 on PC for multiplayer action.
Rainbow six is on the Cube
EA is better than the ESPN series and Sega does support the cube
I prefer F-Zero to burnout
DDR is on Cube
I dont play stuntman games.

Internet capability on consoles are overrated, just look at the PS2.

[Alstottfan_87]

Ok, most of the star war games on PS2 and Xbox are on GC
.
I was gonna keep my mouth shut but both KOTORs are not only the best Star Wars games ever made, but they are Xbox exclusives.

If you don't have them, no amount of Rogue Squadrons will make up.

[YodAa tHe BUC!]

Thank you Alstott fan!
I don't care if you prefer True crimes, I prfer GTA so why should I just settle for True Crimes?
I'd rather play Halo with my friends then play a game bout a tomboy that goes around killing aliens by myself
Did I say Rainbow 6 though? No I said counterstrike, so again why you should I settle for 2nd best?
I know EA is better but can't I even be given the chance to try out the competition?
F-Zero is the worst thing ever made! Hover Cars going at 5 million cajillion miles per hour wtf is that?
Do I have to dance with Mario to play DDR? I mean I've already played tennis with him!

Grendal your thread was about how GC is better and basically trying to convince people that GC isn't totally kiddie but whenever I say a game thats good and isn't on GC you automatically shoot down my opinion and name the best substitution GC has for it, and if there is no equal you just say "I don't even like those games" Obviously not everyone likes the same thing and thats what is wrong with Nintendo! They're going after 1 audience and have turned their backs on some very loyal fans who didn't exactly fall under the group they were going for. I guess your one of the lucky ones who wasn't rejected or your one of the stupid ones who can't accept that Nintendo needs to fix themselves and not ignore its true fans before they have to pull of a sega.

[Grendal]

I was gonna keep my mouth shut but both KOTORs are not only the best Star Wars games ever made, but they are Xbox exclusives.

If you don't have them, no amount of Rogue Squadrons will make up.

KOTORs are on PC.

[Grendal]

Thank you Alstott fan!
I don't care if you prefer True crimes, I prfer GTA so why should I just settle for True Crimes?
I'd rather play Halo with my friends then play a game bout a tomboy that goes around killing aliens by myself
Did I say Rainbow 6 though? No I said counterstrike, so again why you should I settle for 2nd best?
I know EA is better but can't I even be given the chance to try out the competition?
F-Zero is the worst thing ever made! Hover Cars going at 5 million cajillion miles per hour wtf is that?
Do I have to dance with Mario to play DDR? I mean I've already played tennis with him!

Grendal your thread was about how GC is better and basically trying to convince people that GC isn't totally kiddie but whenever I say a game thats good and isn't on GC you automatically shoot down my opinion and name the best substitution GC has for it, and if there is no equal you just say "I don't even like those games" Obviously not everyone likes the same thing and thats what is wrong with Nintendo! They're going after 1 audience and have turned their backs on some very loyal fans who didn't exactly fall under the group they were going for. I guess your one of the lucky ones who wasn't rejected or your one of the stupid ones who can't accept that Nintendo needs to fix themselves and not ignore its true fans before they have to pull of a sega.


My thread was about how Revo will turn some heads come next Gen. And there not going after one audience. They have Titles for every GENRE of gaming. Yes Nintendo does need to change somethings but I dont think in a way of what you are talking about. I think they just need to have better promotion for there more "serious" games and have them in TV spots where the more "mature" audience look at TV. And I dont think theyve ignored there true fans. If they did you wouldnt see rated M games on the Gamecube. And stop saying there going to pull a sega because its not going to happen. As much as you guys dont believe me, they still make profits off of there console because they make there consoles out of recycled material and makes huge profits off of software, unlike sega. If anything Micro would end up like Sega if they keep selling there product below production cost. Thats exactly what happend to sega.

[Grendal]

Thank you Alstott fan!
counterstrike

Better on PC...

[Alstottfan_87]

KOTORs are on PC.
Minor mistake on my part, but we aren't talking about the PC, you're supposed to be defending the GC.

[Rorschach]

Going to a christian school to become a minister so I don't get to play drinking games...



For four years anyway.
Two Words... Communion wine.

[Alstottfan_87]

Two Words... Communion wine.
I can drink, just won't do it illegally.

As soon as I turn 21, look out!

BTW, my denomination is really lame and they use grape juice instead of wine. How uncool is that? Not in my church. We're going 150 proof.

[YodAa tHe BUC!]

Well this arguement is getting old and I know I won't buy Revolution when it comes out because they'll comeout with a different design or better deal for it in 3 months and by then I'll know if Nintendo is or isn't full of it.

[Grendal]

Well this arguement is getting old and I know I won't buy Revolution when it comes out because they'll comeout with a different design or better deal for it in 3 months and by then I'll know if Nintendo is or isn't full of it.

Fair enough. I have one last thing to add to. Like I said before, I just think it all comes down to marketing. Sony and Micro has just as much "Kiddie" games on their systems as much as Nintendo. I think the problem is Nintendo doesnt market their mature games and features to the older crowd. My point is just look at all the systems carfully when they all come out, and then make the best decision. Dont just write nintendo off because of there past....

[Grendal]

Minor mistake on my part, but we aren't talking about the PC, you're supposed to be defending the GC.

You made a lot of mistakes and originally I was pointing out there is a system next Gen besides Sony and Micro that will come out. Dont sleep on them just yet. They may surprise you with something, especially with the controller and internet play.....

[Alstottfan_87]

You made a lot of mistakes and originally I was pointing out there is a system next Gen besides Sony and Micro that will come out. Dont sleep on them just yet. They may surprise you with something, especially with the controller and internet play.....
Everybody makes mistakes, show a little forgiveness.

Nintendo will be on TOP next Gen(Proof Inside)

^^^^^ Oh... I thought that maybe you were trying to say that Nintendo will be on top next gen and that there was proof inside... But, if you say you were just pointing out that there's another system coming out, I guess I better be quiet.

I'm done arguing, don't want you to have anything against me or vice versa. I like Xbox, you like Gamecube, thats it.

[Grendal]

I like Xbox, you like Gamecube, thats it.

Fair enough.

[YodAa tHe BUC!]

Its just Nintendo is pretty crazy sometimes, I heard they want to have the controllers for Revolution be touch screen? How in the world would that even work??!?!?!

[Rorschach]

I can drink, just won't do it illegally.

As soon as I turn 21, look out!

BTW, my denomination is really lame and they use grape juice instead of wine. How uncool is that? Not in my church. We're going 150 proof.
Watch out for the candles then... anything over 100 proof will sustain a flame. and somehow drinking is much less fun once its legal (still fun once and a while though)
In fact I am going to get drunk right now, but the new question is which of my 15 types of whiskey do I sip on...

[Alstottfan_87]

Watch out for the candles then... anything over 100 proof will sustain a flame. and somehow drinking is much less fun once its legal (still fun once and a while though)
In fact I am going to get drunk right now, but the new question is which of my 15 types of whiskey do I sip on...
I have an answer but I don't know if you're man (I'm guessing not woman) enough to handle fifteen shots.

[Grendal]

Its just Nintendo is pretty crazy sometimes, I heard they want to have the controllers for Revolution be touch screen? How in the world would that even work??!?!?!

Naw, thats not happening because there will already be connectivity with the DS Which sony will copy with the PSP. I think the new controllers judging from research will have it where you can actully feel the environment, meaning if you go into a hot environment, the controller will heat up, things like that. There is also concrete proof out there that you can actually touch the environment. Who knows what nintendo is doing. There not showing it yet because other companies take there Ideas, for instance:

Playstation took the design for SNES controller. They also took the rumble feature from the 64 and then took the Analog feature. Xbox and Dreamcast took the basic design of the controller from the N64. Thats why Nintendo is secret about the controller. When they debut though, its gonna be different, maybe even revolutionary...... :eekretro:

[YodAa tHe BUC!]

LOL now grendal if you would've said that I think we could've gotten along better.

[Grendal]

LOL now grendal if you would've said that I think we could've gotten along better.

Naw, we still cool theres nothing wrong with opinions. Whether it be the Bucs and Falcons or Gamecube and PS2. But yea, just wait till the controller come out. Thats when the real fate of REVO is going to be decided. Either way I applaud Ninetendo for trying to be creative. It just seems to me sony and micro are going for pure raw power. Theres nothing wrong with that either, just not my cup of tea. Well see how everything goes around this time next year.......In the mean time enjoy your current system. Developers are really going to start to use the full power of PS2 Xbox and Gamecube in the near future. Hell I might hold off on the next Gen untill christmas 2006. Like you said everything will be more clear and prices should drop slightly. Im just hoping games dont go up to 70 dollars.

[YodAa tHe BUC!]

Well I still use GC but I only play EA games. As for the Revo I hope it has DVD but they shouldn't stop there, they should add surround sound too, then I would definantly buy it.

[Grendal]

Well I still use GC but I only play EA games. As for the Revo I hope it has DVD but they shouldn't stop there, they should add surround sound too, then I would definantly buy it.

Yes, it will have a DVD player, the Games will be in DVD format and it will be backwards compatible to all gamecube games coupled with the nes, snes, n64 downloads. It will come witha 512 flash card for game saves, but that can easily be upgraded. It will come with two USB hubs which you can theoretically plug in your hard drive and save games. I have an 80 gig hard drive USB so im happy about that. Im a bit sketcy, but Im sure it would come with all that 5.1 surround sound stuff too. Like I said, when the Info on it really starts rolling in I will keep you and the Board posted about it. Oh, and it will be online right out of the box. I can just imagine playing smash brothers online.

[YodAa tHe BUC!]

SSB online would be tight, and saving games to harddrive sounds koo but I don't want them to make the GC into a comp like XBox, as for 5.1 surround sound screw it, put in a 7.1 lol THat would b sweet just imagine playing Madden, you get sacked from the left so you'd here running on your left and you'd feel grass on your fingers from the control.

[Alstottfan_87]

Well I still use GC but I only play EA games. As for the Revo I hope it has DVD but they shouldn't stop there, they should add surround sound too, then I would definantly buy it.
See now, even if they add DVD and Dolby, they'll still only have what the Xbox has now.

[YodAa tHe BUC!]

XBox has Dobly? Then if GC wants to win they need to aim for 7.1 seriously

[Grendal]

SSB online would be tight, and saving games to harddrive sounds koo but I don't want them to make the GC into a comp like XBox, as for 5.1 surround sound screw it, put in a 7.1 lol THat would b sweet just imagine playing Madden, you get sacked from the left so you'd here running on your left and you'd feel grass on your fingers from the control.

LOL, I feel ya man, especially on the madden. I agree I dont wont them to turn it into a comp, thats why they didnt put a 300 gig hard drive on there. That would really drive up the cost of the system. They will still have ports for the gamecube memory cards as well as gamecube controllers coupled with the Flash cards and REVO controller. Also, they still want to keep up with their competitors, thats the only reason why I think they added the USB and flash card. Its going to be interesting when it comes out.

[Grendal]

XBox has Dobly? Then if GC wants to win they need to aim for 7.1 seriously

Ill do some research on it real quick to make sure.

[YodAa tHe BUC!]

Hey Grendal I saw this one GC made by Panasonic, it came out in Japan but not here and it had DVD, you know why it didn't come out here or anything?

[Grendal]

Hey Grendal I saw this one GC made by Panasonic, it came out in Japan but not here and it had DVD, you know why it didn't come out here or anything?

It was a decision made by Panasonic, not Nintendo. Panasonic is a japaneses company, and I think they felt it would not have made enough profit. It costed around 500 in Japan market. They figured no one in America would buy that for that much money when they have the Xbox and PS2. Also, they tested in the Japenese market and it sold but not that well. I know people who still imported it though. Its alright, but not worth 500.

[Alstottfan_87]

Ill do some research on it real quick to make sure.
I'm 99% sure on that.

Then again, i "have made alot of mistakes" right Grendal? lol

[YodAa tHe BUC!]

O hey were are you gettin all this REVO info?

[Grendal]

O hey were are you gettin all this REVO info?

NintendoNow boards, Gamespot Nintendo Boards, IGN boards, Google, combo of things. I like to go on these boards not only for Nintendo, but gaming in General in my leisure time, while im on here.

[Grendal]

I'm 99% sure on that.

Then again, i "have made alot of mistakes" right Grendal? lol

I know your right on the Xbox, im talking about the REVO sound. I didnt mean to be hostile earlier, I just wanted you to understand my point. Good times though :coolretro

[Alstottfan_87]

Dolby Laboratories announced today that the XBOX will feature the new Dolby Interactive Content Encoder, a breakthrough technology that dynamically encodes multichannel audio into Dolby Digital 5.1. The first encoder of its kind, the Dolby Interactive Content Encoder enables real-time Dolby Digital encoding in game consoles and allows XBOXers (I just invented that word [smile]) to experience explosive, cinematic audio using high-quality home theater systems. The XBOX will be the first gaming industry product to feature this technology. Previous video game systems could utilize Dolby Digital 5.1 only during non-interactive cut scene playback. In contrast, the Dolby Interactive Content Encoder enables the Xbox to provide interactive Dolby Digital 5.1 during actual gameplay, immersing the player in surround sound when it matters most, while playing the game.

http://amo.net/NT/04-18-01XBOX.html

Hooray! I was right and I actually know a thing or two about my console of choice!

[Alstottfan_87]

I know your right on the Xbox, im talking about the REVO sound. I didnt mean to be hostile earlier, I just wanted you to understand my point. Good times though :coolretro
I probably did make alot of mistakes in my hurry to reply, that was a great debate.

Sorry bout that article, thought you were talking bout the Xbox.

[Grendal]

Dolby Laboratories announced today that the XBOX will feature the new Dolby Interactive Content Encoder, a breakthrough technology that dynamically encodes multichannel audio into Dolby Digital 5.1. The first encoder of its kind, the Dolby Interactive Content Encoder enables real-time Dolby Digital encoding in game consoles and allows XBOXers (I just invented that word [smile]) to experience explosive, cinematic audio using high-quality home theater systems. The XBOX will be the first gaming industry product to feature this technology. Previous video game systems could utilize Dolby Digital 5.1 only during non-interactive cut scene playback. In contrast, the Dolby Interactive Content Encoder enables the Xbox to provide interactive Dolby Digital 5.1 during actual gameplay, immersing the player in surround sound when it matters most, while playing the game.

http://amo.net/NT/04-18-01XBOX.html

Hooray! I was right and I actually know a thing or two about my console of choice!


I told you I knew you were right. Props on that find though.

[Alstottfan_87]

I told you I knew you were right. Props on that find though.
I started the reply before you posted.

[Rorschach]

I have an answer but I don't know if you're man (I'm guessing not woman) enough to handle fifteen shots.
That would cost WAY too much money to get drunk if I did that. Several of my whiskeys are over a 100 a bottle. So it would cost at least 125 to take one of each.
BTW I went with Bookers true barrel bourbon (125.3 proof) one of the cheaper ones at $40 bucks a bottle.

[Alstottfan_87]

That would cost WAY too much money to get drunk if I did that. Several of my whiskeys are over a 100 a bottle. So it would cost at least 125 to take one of each.
BTW I went with Bookers true barrel bourbon (125.3 proof) one of the cheaper ones at $40 bucks a bottle.
Thats alot to pay for getting trashed.

I'm sure you don't wanna hear this story but I'm gonna tell it anyway:

The first/only time I got drunk I didn't notice anything until around the ninth drink because I'm so big. Soon after that my friends had me convinced that I was Ishmael Muhhamed and that I was incredibly attractive to my cousin's best friend (a girl, dont worry) who was very trashed as well and hotter than the sun. Soon after THAT there was a hole in the wall after I realized that my "friends" were trying to make me take advantage of a drunk girl. Then I settled on the couch and fell asleep watching Sportscenter.

Funnest night of my life.

Thats my drunk story, don't tell my mom, she'd shoot me.

[Alstottfan_87]

I guess I was right, nobody DID wanna hear that story.

[Grendal]

See now, even if they add DVD and Dolby, they'll still only have what the Xbox has now.

Gamecube has always had Dolby also. Now on the sound thing, the hardware on of the Revo will be able to support 5.1 and 7.1. Its up to the developers really, if they want to implement the 7.1 because most homes dont support 7.1 right now.

[Grendal]

Nintendo is for youngins.

http://www.victoriakidshealth.com/Childlife/CL-nintendo.jpg


If you have a pair, or they've dropped-get a box

I like to think outside the box. People who play on a Box are dumb as Rocks. That boy in your pic seems to have chicken pox. If you knew anything about gameing, it wont be long before Nintendo has this generation back on lock.

[JasonOfthetower]

I like to think outside the box. People who play on a Box are dumb as Rocks. That boy in your pic seems to have chicken pox. If you knew anything about gameing, it wont be long before Nintendo has this generation back on lock.


Sure they are...because I mean - why wouldn't everyone buy an inferior system with no exclusive game support with the exception of games made for children? :eek:

[Grendal]

Sure they are...because I mean - why wouldn't everyone buy an inferior system with no exclusive game support with the exception of games made for children? :eek:

So what? Was crash bandicoot made for children?

And capcom supported Nintendo with exclusives, so did Sega and a host of other companies. Your basing your baseless opinions on what the media advertises to you.


P.S. The topic is about REVO. You dont believe me now, but companies who didnt develop for Gamecube will develop for REVO. Number one reason why is because it will be easier for them to develop on it and less expensive.