New Kicker? Here's a thought...

[jonnychan]

Why are we even talking about Bryant. Do you think he would have made all kicks Nugent missed? Heck no, did you guys forget how Bryant choked against Atl, Car, Det, Min, NO. We were locky to win some of those games despite him missing FG at crucial points.

[Bucalicious]

Originally Posted by EaglesFan

Tampa Points = 96
Opponents = 203

Boy thats not a generalization. You quoted me saying that we had a few close games and games that could have been won by field goals, and thats what you post?





Game 1: Dallas:
Final Score: 34 - 21 (Dallas)

• Our first possesion we marched the ball down to the 20 yard line where our field goal attempt was blocked because. Yes they had penetration but Nugent clearly hesitated. (Video Replay: http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/200909...000d5d81290c2a)
• Last play of hte half Nugent for a 46 yrd field goal. Wide Right.
• 4th quarter, 4th and 7 on the Dallas 26 yrd line. We go for it with Leftwich. Turnover (7:45 left on the clock)
  (for all that are following, we SHOULD be only down by 7 points (1 touchdown). Had that been the case and we went for the FG and made it, we are now down by 4.
  Instead now Dallas capitalizes and scores on this turnover on downs. Which takes away our touchdown we made on the following drive.

*Would this game have turned out differently? Could we have won had we not allowed such momentum? I would argue yes, that was a close game in which a good kicker could have made the difference.


Game 4: Washington:
Final Score: 16- 13(Was)

• 1st Quarter 4th and 14 on Washington 31. FG attempt hits uprights.
• 2nd Quarter 4th and 10 on Was 30. FG Attempt wide right.

*Again a good kicker and that game is won.



Game 6: Carolina:
Final Score: 28- 21(CAR)

• 1st Quarter 4th and 9 on Carolina 25. Field Goal no good
• 4th quarter 4-1-CAR 36 4th and 1 Car 36 we line up to run it with no faith in our kicker. Penalty its not 4th and 6.

*We are within 1 point of a division rival. And possibly squashed momentum again with putting points on the board. That game was one of our our best played games, I think it was winnable with a good kicker.

[FireDaCannons]

Originally Posted by Bucalicious

To the entire front office, but mostly Mr. Dominik. Get off your damn high horse. Admit you made a stupid, and emotional move by getting rid of Bryant and call him back in.
It will boost our fan moral, as well as give us a leg we can count on, on the field.

Its amazing how close some of the games would have been had we made kicks... hell we could have won a few of em.

Or... do you need the Glazers to get you on the phone to make these hard decisions for you... like one game in particular?

How about a chance at some real points with a proven 4th ranked kicker.
Just a thought.

The End.

He is locked up with a UFL deal until week 10. We cant get him back until then.

[The Anomaly]

Originally Posted by uscbucsfan

I can't believe you posted this thread after being proved wrong about that 4th ranked kicker nonsense....

He's 34 and losing leg. I'm fine with us not bringing him back. Keep trying out young guys until we get it. I doubt we will need FGs anyway with the way we are getting blown out.

How did we ever win 9 games last year with all of those NFL cast offs that nobody wants? Weird.

[EaglesFan]

Originally Posted by Bucalicious

Boy thats not a generalization. You quoted me saying that we had a few close games and games that could have been won by field goals, and thats what you post?

The Bucs have been outscored by their opponents by OVER 100 points in their first 7 games. The Bucs kickers have missed 5 field goals for a total of 15 points. If you can't see how ridiculous your original post was when confronted by those numbers then I weep for the sorry state of mathematics in our public school system.

[Bucalicious]

Originally Posted by EaglesFan

The Bucs have been outscored by their opponents by OVER 100 points in their first 7 games. The Bucs kickers have missed 5 field goals for a total of 15 points. If you can't see how ridiculous your original post was when confronted by those numbers then I weep for the sorry state of mathematics in our public school system.

My original post is about a kicker. All the games have not been won or lost by the kicker. But you responded directly to me suggesting we could have won some games with a good kicker, which I clearly proved above.

You are wrong, get over it.

I win.

1-0 Bucalicious

Boom!


That just happened!

[EaglesFan]

Originally Posted by Bucalicious

Its amazing how close some of the games would have been had we made kicks... hell we could have won a few of em.

Let me help you out some more here. "Some" and "a few" would indicate more than one.

DId you even watch the Dallas game? In what version of reality do you reside to consider a 13 point defeat where you scored a meaningless garbage TD with 1:30 left in the 4th quarter a "winnable" game? The cowboys called the dogs off when they went up by 20 points with 4 minutes left. Kicking was irrelevant.

The Redskins threw 3 interceptions and lost a fumble AND had to use their place kicker for punts. I'm sure they'd like to play the "what if" game too. If they get to take back some of their mistakes, this would have been a blowout. The fact is, Tampa was given amazing field position all day and couldn't move the ball at all. This game was gift wrapped. But whatever, if you want to say a kicker would have made the difference, because I'm a charitable guy, I'll give you this one.

Carolina. Seriously? You gave up 250 yards on the ground. You scored one offenseive TD. You were lucky this game was as close as it was. Kicking was irrelevant.

You want Bryant back. Ok awesome. You were kind enough to link his stats. He was boasting a 62.5% average on 40-49 yard kicks last season and that was the range of 4 of the 5 missed FG's this year. So maybe you get 2 more.

[Bucalicious]

Originally Posted by EaglesFan

Let me help you out some more here. "Some" and "a few" would indicate more than one.

DId you even watch the Dallas game? In what version of reality do you reside to consider a 13 point defeat where you scored a meaningless garbage TD with 1:30 left in the 4th quarter a "winnable" game? The cowboys called the dogs off when they went up by 20 points with 4 minutes left. Kicking was irrelevant.

You can read right? Or are you just a TV watcher?
See Previous Post Here

Originally Posted by EaglesFan

The Redskins threw 3 interceptions and lost a fumble AND had to use their place kicker for punts. I'm sure they'd like to play the "what if" game too. If they get to take back some of their mistakes, this would have been a blowout. The fact is, Tampa was given amazing field position all day and couldn't move the ball at all. This game was gift wrapped. But whatever, if you want to say a kicker would have made the difference, because I'm a charitable guy, I'll give you this one.

To say anything to the contrary would be stupid and pointless. I accept your defeat.

Originally Posted by EaglesFan

Carolina. Seriously? You gave up 250 yards on the ground. You scored one offenseive TD. You were lucky this game was as close as it was. Kicking was irrelevant.

Yes they more than doubled our efforts on the ground. However we nearly tripped their efforts in the air. We did not cover a lot of ground, however it was a hard fought game. Against a defense ranked 7th for total yards given up (you dont like to point out truths like that though huh?).

Originally Posted by EaglesFan

You want Bryant back. Ok awesome. You were kind enough to link his stats. He was boasting a 62.5% average on 40-49 yard kicks last season and that was the range of 4 of the 5 missed FG's this year. So maybe you get 2 more.

You do grasp that Bryants career average from that distance beats both David Akers and Adam Vinatieri right? And that if I were arguing for those guys you wouldn't even be involved in this conversation.

So stop pretending you have a grasp on what I am trying to say and move along.

Accept defeat. Its ok to lose, as long as you tried.

[EaglesFan]

Originally Posted by Bucalicious

You do grasp that Bryants career average from that distance beats both David Akers and Adam Vinatieri right? And that if I were arguing for those guys you wouldn't even be involved in this conversation.

Sure I would. Let me put it this way: If all of the Bucs failures this year were paralleled with all of the deaths due to infectious disease in the US, then the Buc's kicking woes would be swine flu. Everyone's talking about it, but the reality is, it's not all that significant. Put whoever you want in there to kick, Bryant, Gramatica, Pelé. You'd still be getting blown out the majority of the time. Maybe you'd be 1 - 6 instead of 0 - 7, but I doubt it.

[BuccoBruceski]

Originally Posted by EaglesFan

Sure I would. Let me put it this way: If all of the Bucs failures this year were paralleled with all of the deaths due to infectious disease in the US, then the Buc's kicking woes would be swine flu. Everyone's talking about it, but the reality is, it's not all that significant. Put whoever you want in there to kick, Bryant, Gramatica, Pelé. You'd still be getting blown out the majority of the time. Maybe you'd be 1 - 6 instead of 0 - 7, but I doubt it.

1 year. 1 ****ing year like this one and the Eagles fan come back. This is worse news than the record itself.

The 2 *** whipping we layed on the Eagles in the Vet and then the Link was like Raid for them.

0-7 is like cookie crumbs on the floor.

Great . Just ****ing great.

[The Donky]

Originally Posted by BuccoBruceski

1 year. 1 ****ing year like this one and the Eagles fan come back. This is worse news than the record itself.

The 2 *** whipping we layed on the Eagles in the Vet and then the Link was like Raid for them.

0-7 is like cookie crumbs on the floor.

Great . Just ****ing great.

Don't worry, he'll temporarily drop the arrogance after his team chokes yet again in the playoffs....until next year of course when he'll return in moronic glory, only to be disappointed again, and again, and again.

[L.H.T]

Everytime an Eagles fan tries to talk smack, I always remind them of 02. And then they proceed to shut the **** up

[foamingsuds]

Hopefully,3rd Tyme will be the charm for Us this season as far as Kickers go.This gentleman will be #3.Hopefully He can make alot of 3's for Us for the remainder of this hideous season.

[redtide1671]

Can we get over this pointless situation already?

[xljohn316]

Originally Posted by Bucalicious

You keep looking past that he was literally ranked #4 overall.

So yes... he was the 4th best kicker by NFL standards last year.

Now... besides all that. I am willing to accept that he was just above average if you want to get down to it. However he was a beloved member of the team. He still has a few years left in him, and we can at least attempt to make a run at the rest of the year.

Now I realize some of you are quite thrilled at possibly having the first overall draft pick. However I'm not a fan who wants us to play for draft position. This is a game of "right now" and its just that simple. Tomorrow doesn't matter till it comes. The only thing that matters is what you've got at your disposal right now and how you can use it to win games.

Thanks for clearing that up for us, Mr. Gruden.

[BearLandBucFan]

There really shouldn't be kickers or punters in the NFL to begin with....

just welfare for soccer players

[EaglesFan]

Originally Posted by BuccoBruceski

1 year. 1 ****ing year like this one and the Eagles fan come back. This is worse news than the record itself.

Wait a second. Are you telling me that you don't want me here? That makes me kinda sad.

[Bucalicious]

Originally Posted by xljohn316

Thanks for clearing that up for us, Mr. Gruden.

Thats reality.
Reality is you cannot plan for anything in this league.
You do know the percentage of first round picks that are big flops?

Do you think you can plan for injuries?

Can you control the weather?

Or perhaps you can control the officiating?

Players Personal issues?


This game, regardless of how painstakingly you try to, cannot be controlled. You can stack the odds in your favor, however thats the best you can do.

That being said, getting rid of a time tested and good kicker, to bring in someone who hasnt been tested, is never a good idea. They made a bigger issue out of our situation than they needed to. We COULD be 3 and 4 right now (as I illustrated above) and we COULD have more focus in the areas we need REAL focus in. However this is a CLEAR distraction and a CLEAR game losing situation for us, I'll be it not the only game losing situation.

[maryjanewatson]

Originally Posted by Bucalicious

Do you think you can plan for injuries?

Can you control the weather?

Or perhaps you can control the officiating?

Players Personal issues?

1. Yes, you can coach up and prepare your backups. Any idea how many backups have ended up helping the Patriots win over the last decade after injuries? This was not a strength of Jon Gruden.

2. No, but you can control how your game plan adjusts to the weather. For example, not having your rookie QB throw 51 times in the swirling winds of the Meadowlands is a good start. As indicated, this was not a strength of Jon Gruden.

3. No, but you can control the discipline and fundamentals your team displays on a week in, week out basis. There is such a thing as bad calls, but the vast majority of penalties are earned. This was not a strength of Jon Gruden.

4. No, but you can stock your roster with players who have displayed high character in the past and who give you no reason to doubt they'll give you off-the-field issues in the future. This was not a strength of Jon Gruden.

You succeed...at failing.

[Heretoplay]

Originally Posted by BucLovinTerp

Your post is nonsense, some of the best players at every position are in their mid-thirty's, but that doesn't mean we should go after them. Have you not noticed the youth movement? That means no players on the decline, we need help for the future, if we brought Bryant back after the UFL season, or never let him go for that matter, we would have to replace him in a year or two anyways.

Isn't the youth movement going well. I am sooo very proud of our 0-7 team right now. Maybe their mommies can take them all out for ice cream cones after tomorrows game. After all, all that matters is how they play the game. And come February, every player in the league can get trophies just for participating.

[I'm an 0-26 Survivor]

Looking at MJW's post reminded me of the strength's of the Tony Dungy teams.
There was a time when we would lose a good player, especially on the defense to either injury or free agency, and never lose a step. Tony and the rest of the crew got players that could be groomed to step in and take over.
In recent years we were just concerned with who could start the game. It didn't matter where he came from, how we got him, or if he was going to help in the future. It was the future is now attitude,

And the future is here.

While I am not happy in the least at being 0 dash 7, I'm not in a state of panic. Been here and done this before. /and right now I choose to weather the storm and see what comes later.

Then I'll decide.

But I'll still be in my same seats in 2010, Lord willing.

[Bucalicious]

Originally Posted by maryjanewatson

1. Yes, you can coach up and prepare your backups. Any idea how many backups have ended up helping the Patriots win over the last decade after injuries? This was not a strength of Jon Gruden.

2. No, but you can control how your game plan adjusts to the weather. For example, not having your rookie QB throw 51 times in the swirling winds of the Meadowlands is a good start. As indicated, this was not a strength of Jon Gruden.

3. No, but you can control the discipline and fundamentals your team displays on a week in, week out basis. There is such a thing as bad calls, but the vast majority of penalties are earned. This was not a strength of Jon Gruden.

4. No, but you can stock your roster with players who have displayed high character in the past and who give you no reason to doubt they'll give you off-the-field issues in the future. This was not a strength of Jon Gruden.

You succeed...at failing.

1. Did I say John Gruden was the champ? Thats the stupidest way to end an otherwise "alright" argument. However considering the team that was inherited, dismantled and then "reengineered" creating a bigger problem, by getting rid of a kicker who can get the job done and replacing him with one that was untested, was plane stupid and has cost us games. Thats my point plain and simple (you clearly have not read this whole conversation, and are piping in out of turn.

2. Gruden, again? Hmmm... I guess I dont see how this fits any part of any of our conversation, since you neither answered to any facts about the conversation, nor to anything that currently plagues us (aka gruden).

3. I am seeing a pattern. Perhaps Raheem needs to chest bump his players more. Will that work?

4. Do you have a crush on Gruden? Seriously. Besides the fact that your "perfect world" scenario of stocking your team with hard hitting choir boys. I was talking about home issues, like family death, car accidents, spontaneous health issues (things that you cannot plan for or foresee.

You argued against me, when you thought I was arguing for Gruden. You, my dear, cannot read, and it is not I who have failed.

F

Originally Posted by I'm an 0-26 Survivor

While I am not happy in the least at being 0 dash 7, I'm not in a state of panic. Been here and done this before. /and right now I choose to weather the storm and see what comes later.

The only reason I am quoting you with this Survivor... is because it seems you, as well as MJ, are acting in parallel with no reason. Nobody is abandoning ship. Nobody is suggesting that should be done. I am suggesting it was stupid to fix something that wasn't broke. It creates more distractions for when you have to fix what IS broke. Its going to be a longer process now, because we need to split our time finding players between positions we didn't need it.

Get it?

So next time someone wants to Chime in to congratulate a chick on a useless post (read above... it was pretty stupid where she was coming from), just cause they feel great about talking to some chick online, please ensure its actually appropriate so nobody points it out.

I have been posting here for 10 years, and a fan for much longer. I know my team, I know useless moves, and I know "Substitute Teacher" when I see one. Quote me, Raheem wont be here long if he keeps crap like this up.

[BuccaneerBonzai]

Originally Posted by uscbucsfan

I'm not looking past anything...this isn't fantasy football. There are no official kicker rankings outside of that.

It doesn't matter who the kicker is...they will not help us "make a run". Kicker is a problem, but it's lower down the list.

I just checked the stats...

4th in field goals made.

However, his PCT puts him at 22nd.

Still, Field Goals are the main stat...so that does have a ranking.

That said...

...at first I wanted him back, but now? Raheem seems content to keep trying until he finds a good kicker. He obviously wants better than good.

If he finds one, great.

I do have concerns about the appearance of stability though. I fear his "musical" positions are making us look like a joke.

He'd better stick with Freeman for the rest of the season no matter how badly he does.

[Heretoplay]

Raheem hasn't found good, let alone better than good.

[Bucalicious]

Originally Posted by BuccaneerBonzai

I just checked the stats...

4th in field goals made.

However, his PCT puts him at 22nd.

Still, Field Goals are the main stat...so that does have a ranking.

That said...

...at first I wanted him back, but now? Raheem seems content to keep trying until he finds a good kicker. He obviously wants better than good.

If he finds one, great.

I do have concerns about the appearance of stability though. I fear his "musical" positions are making us look like a joke.

He'd better stick with Freeman for the rest of the season no matter how badly he does.

Oh it's completely unrealistic to bring him back. I'm simply trying to make a point is all.

[Duality51]

Originally Posted by BuccaneerBonzai

I just checked the stats...

4th in field goals made.

However, his PCT puts him at 22nd.

Still, Field Goals are the main stat...so that does have a ranking.

That said...

...at first I wanted him back, but now? Raheem seems content to keep trying until he finds a good kicker. He obviously wants better than good.

If he finds one, great.

I do have concerns about the appearance of stability though. I fear his "musical" positions are making us look like a joke.

He'd better stick with Freeman for the rest of the season no matter how badly he does.

Seeing what players will work hard for you while making some impact on the field can't make us look like a joke. This team is trying to find those solid players who can go in and show effort (Crowder, Jimmy Wilkerson) when we get a true starter infront of crowder, how nice would it be to know when that starter comes out for a rest we have somebody that will get after it behind him. That is why Raheem is constantly changing the depth chart, that is what builds a championship team.