Give Boise St. The National Championship

[DeadEagle]

Originally Posted by tampabayfan

I would think that if you increase the number of games in the post season to allow for the playoff system then I would think that some bowls game would be eliminated. The teams that would be gone would be those 2nd tier teams that want that national attention they only get in the bowl games. Teams like Notre Dame, 2nd and 3rd place finished in the big conferences would still get their bowl games though.

Not really.

An 8 team playoff, takes 2 weeks to narrow to the final 2 teams...... and only means one extra game for 4 teams and extra 2 games for 4 other of the 119 Div 1 teams. Before any playoff games start, the BCS gets locked...... so that any results from the playoffs don't affect those standings..... kinda like NASCAR does with its' "Chase for the Cup". The Bowls can go on as scheduled, and everyone's happy with their money, and we fans get a playoff.

[Greg in DC]

Originally Posted by #1BucsDefense

It would be a lot better than what we have right now. Just because you can't make things perfect doesn't mean you shouldn't try to change the system at all.



No, teams not wanting to schedule them, what this thread is about. And really I don't blame other teams for not wanting to schedule Boise State, very little to gain and a lot to lose.

it is not as if teams are "avoiding Boise st"

[DeadEagle]

Originally Posted by Greg in DC

it is not as if teams are "avoiding Boise st"

Did you read the OP?

Originally Posted by Kyle

Boise State athletic director Gene Bleymaier is all but begging for a major opponent – any major opponent – to play his Broncos, particularly in 2011. He can hardly get his calls returned. Not by the SEC. Not by the Big Ten. Not by anyone.

Bleymaier is making a nearly unheard of offer in college football scheduling – Boise will bring its popular, high-profile, top-10 team to any stadium in any town to play any big name team in America in 2011. And they don’t have to return the date in Idaho.

So far, no one has bit.

Sounds awful close to avoiding.

[Greg in DC]

Originally Posted by DeadEagle

Did you read the OP?






Sounds awful close to avoiding.

Did you not read my post about their game against Georgia? What does a top five team have to gain? It's like wrestling against a girl; you don't win much but you can lose a lot.

[NoAlibi]

Originally Posted by Greg in DC

Did you not read my post about their game against Georgia? What does a top five team have to gain? It's like wrestling against a girl; you don't win much but you can lose a lot.

2002? 2004? So because of that game they don't get another chance?

at least they play Virginia Tech next season.

[Greg in DC]

Originally Posted by NoAlibi

2002? 2004? So because of that game they don't get another chance?

at least they play Virginia Tech next season.

And when VA Tech takes them behind the woodshed, will we put the whole "Boise St is the greatest team ever" crap to rest?

[#1BucsDefense]

Originally Posted by Greg in DC

And when VA Tech takes them behind the woodshed, will we put the whole "Boise St is the greatest team ever" crap to rest?

You're missing the point, this isn't about how good Boise State may or may not be, its about them deserving at least a chance to play for the NC game. Teams in non-major conferences are always criticized for their weaker schedules, and then when they try and make their schedules more difficult they're unable to get teams from major conferences to schedule a game against them.

[Kyle]

Originally Posted by Greg in DC

Getting killed by Georgia? Or beating Oregon?

They beat Oklahoma in 2006 in the Fiesta Bowl

They beat top 15 ranked Oregon in 08

They beat top 15 ranked Oregon in 09.

2005 marks the last time they lost to a ranked team.

[Kyle]

Originally Posted by Greg in DC

And when VA Tech takes them behind the woodshed, will we put the whole "Boise St is the greatest team ever" crap to rest?

and when they beat VA Tech, you'll say "all they did was beat VT, they did lose to Georgia in 2005 though clearly they suck"

Grow a brain.

[DeadEagle]

Originally Posted by Greg in DC

Did you not read my post about their game against Georgia? What does a top five team have to gain? It's like wrestling against a girl; you don't win much but you can lose a lot.

Ok..... you got Georgia.


I have 2 wins against Oregon, at the Smurf Turf and at Autzen (a place USC hasn't won at their last 2 trips, btw) the last 2 years..... 2 wins against Oregon State..... Oklahoma in that Fiesta Bowl..... beat TCU and BYU each a couple times in regular season play..... spanked Iowa State back in '02.....


And their losses to the major programs? TCU last year.... by a point.. in a well played game in San Diego. Boston College a few years ago, by a score. At Washington a couple years ago, and at Oregon State by 2 points.... that one to Georgia that wasn't close...


Since 2002, I think Boise State's record against the major programs is 11-6. And they've come as close as a team can expect in nearly sweeping their own conference in that time period. What part of..... "Boise State can compete"..... isn't sinking in?


The major programs just want to avoid an OOC like Boise State...... because they are scared. Then the catch 22 is...... those same teams then turn around and point at their schedule.

What does a top five team have to gain?

Who said it was just top 5 teams? Stop making things up. The OP reported any teams in the major conferences. That includes the likes of Clemson, Tennessee, Kansas, Mizzou, Auburn..... etc, etc.





I like the idea of the BCS giving no (or negative) points to top for playing bad teams.




And just some food for thought. After LSU...... the next 2 best teams Florida has played? Tennessee and Troy. This years' version of Kentucky, Vanderbilt, Miss State, and Georgia are not that good. Add in Charleston Southern and FIU..... and you people call that a tough schedule? Boise and/or TCU could handle that schedule.

Question is..... would you place them the same spot as Florida?

[King Of Crunk]

I hear a LOT of crying from Boise in MIDSEASON about how none of the big boys will put them on the OOC parts of their schedule.

What I DON'T hear is a willingness on Boise's part to become part of a big boy conference.

Look at USF. They felt they were doing well enough against the C-USA that they could compete against the national scene so they made the effort to get into a nationally recognized conference. It may not be the biggest but, it's still bigger than the WAC.

Boise St., on the other hand, has been playing the same sad song on the same busted *** fiddle for the last 3 years.

If you TRULY believe that your SOS is what is holding you back from being in the BCSNC game then, find a way to get yourself into a bigger conference.

In doing so there is no losing situation for the university as any bowl/championship games(hell, even several regular season games) will net you MUCH more cash flow than you're now receiving. Exponentially more so IF you are as good as you are crying about being.

[DeadEagle]

Originally Posted by King Of Crunk

I hear a LOT of crying from Boise in MIDSEASON about how none of the big boys will put them on the OOC parts of their schedule.

What I DON'T hear is a willingness on Boise's part to become part of a big boy conference.

Look at USF. They felt they were doing well enough against the C-USA that they could compete against the national scene so they made the effort to get into a nationally recognized conference. It may not be the biggest but, it's still bigger than the WAC.

Boise St., on the other hand, has been playing the same sad song on the same busted *** fiddle for the last 3 years.

If you TRULY believe that your SOS is what is holding you back from being in the BCSNC game then, find a way to get yourself into a bigger conference.

In doing so there is no losing situation for the university as any bowl/championship games(hell, even several regular season games) will net you MUCH more cash flow than you're now receiving. Exponentially more so IF you are as good as you are crying about being.

Where are they going to go, given their location?


Your argument has some legitimacy, but is weak. The only conference they could transfer to, is the Mountain West..... and even that's not a BCS conference. The Big 10 and Pac-10 won't take them...... and the Big XII, ACC and SEC are full, each with 12 teams and a good set-up. The Big East? Not an option given their location.


Maybe they should become an independent.

[maryjanewatson]

Originally Posted by DeadEagle

Where are they going to go, given their location?


Your argument has some legitimacy, but is weak. The only conference they could transfer to, is the Mountain West..... and even that's not a BCS conference. The Big 10 and Pac-10 won't take them...... and the Big XII, ACC and SEC are full, each with 12 teams and a good set-up. The Big East? Not an option given their location.


Maybe they should become an independent.

Why wouldn't the Pac 10 take them, out of curiousity? I mean, has this been discussed? Seems like a good fit to me.

[DeadEagle]

Originally Posted by maryjanewatson

Why wouldn't the Pac 10 take them, out of curiousity? I mean, has this been discussed? Seems like a good fit to me.

The school itself doesn't meet academic standards of the Pac-10.

[King Of Crunk]

Originally Posted by DeadEagle

Where are they going to go, given their location?


Your argument has some legitimacy, but is weak. The only conference they could transfer to, is the Mountain West..... and even that's not a BCS conference. The Big 10 and Pac-10 won't take them...... and the Big XII, ACC and SEC are full, each with 12 teams and a good set-up. The Big East? Not an option given their location.


Maybe they should become an independent.

**** location!

If Hawaii can become a legitimate threat when NO SCHOOL wants to travel outside of the continental states(not even those on the west coast), then a team in the MID west should have no problem finding a conference that meets travel comforts for both Home & Away games/teams. Again, look at USF, moving to the Big East, most all of their in conference opponents are North & Out-of-State. Yet, they made a SEAMLESS transition from C-USA to the Big East.

If they want to TRULY join the ranks of the big time programs then they need to pressure the Conferences that are within their range rather than *****ing to the media about their OOC games. Put out an article about how the Big-10 or PAC-10 should drop one of thier schools who've been teetering on the edge of D2 for the last decade & bring in BSU for the sake of College Football & maybe I'll listen. Until then, this is more of the world's smallest violin playing a sad, sad song for the Smurf Turf.

[DeadEagle]

Originally Posted by King Of Crunk

**** location!

If Hawaii can become a legitimate threat when NO SCHOOL wants to travel outside of the continental states(not even those on the west coast), then a team in the MID west should have no problem finding a conference that meets travel comforts for both Home & Away games/teams. Again, look at USF, moving to the Big East, most all of their in conference opponents are North & Out-of-State. Yet, they made a SEAMLESS transition from C-USA to the Big East.

If they want to TRULY join the ranks of the big time programs then they need to pressure the Conferences that are within their range rather than *****ing to the media about their OOC games. Put out an article about how the Big-10 or PAC-10 should drop one of thier schools who've been teetering on the edge of D2 for the last decade & bring in BSU for the sake of College Football & maybe I'll listen. Until then, this is more of the world's smallest violin playing a sad, sad song for the Smurf Turf.

Now you are just being illogical.

[maryjanewatson]

Originally Posted by DeadEagle

The school itself doesn't meet academic standards of the Pac-10.

Interesting...Did not realize that mattered. Seriously.

[King Of Crunk]

Originally Posted by DeadEagle

Now you are just being illogical.

I may be a bit heated about a team who hasn't beat only one team better than Devry & wants an NC title shot but, how exactly am I being illogical? Was it not in 2006, just before the Rainbow Warriors of Hawaii were to face Georgia, that every media outlet was touting their perfect record as reason that they should've been playing in the BCSNC game?

In a world where we're tring to bring American Football to London how does location pose a problem for a team located DAMN near the middle of America?

Or is it not Location issues? Is it Academic? Is it Religous? What EXACTLY is the issue preventing Boise St. from moving into a big time BCS conference?

Seriously DE, tell me what exactly am I missing?

[gdawg4953]

Originally Posted by King Of Crunk

I may be a bit heated about a team who hasn't beat only one team better than Devry & wants an NC title shot but, how exactly am I being illogical? Was it not in 2006, just before the Rainbow Warriors of Hawaii were to face Georgia, that every media outlet was touting their perfect record as reason that they should've been playing in the BCSNC game?

In a world where we're tring to bring American Football to London how does location pose a problem for a team located DAMN near the middle of America?

Or is it not Location issues? Is it Academic? Is it Religous? What EXACTLY is the issue preventing Boise St. from moving into a big time BCS conference?

Seriously DE, tell me what exactly am I missing?

boise is hurt most by geography. the only major west coast conference is the pac10 and as stated earlier, they do not meet their academic standards. now if they were on the east coast they could join the big east.

every so often theres talk about a wac/mountain west 16 team mega conference, but it will take a lot to pull that merger off.

[NoAlibi]

Originally Posted by maryjanewatson

Interesting...Did not realize that mattered. Seriously.

Only the Pac-10 and Big 10 seem to care about that stuff....and I don't know why....

[Greg in DC]

Originally Posted by Kyle

and when they beat VA Tech, you'll say "all they did was beat VT, they did lose to Georgia in 2005 though clearly they suck"

Grow a brain.

Not at all.....they had a good win over Oregon I am impressed with what they have done with their program. But they are still a big fish in a small pond.

[Kyle]

Originally Posted by Greg in DC

Not at all.....they had a good win over Oregon I am impressed with what they have done with their program. But they are still a big fish in a small pond.

So they don't deserve a chance to play in the bigger pond?

[Greg in DC]

Originally Posted by Kyle

So they don't deserve a chance to play in the bigger pond?

I am all for them playing better competition. They should join a major conference.

[GMSTBFLA]

I saw this on another forum

The 100 win club as the decade comes to a close.
Three teams are in...several others are close, including the Buckeyes:

Already in:
Oklahoma 107
Boise State 106
Texas 105

Can make it:
USC 99 (need one more win with four regular season games and a bowl game remaining; lock)
Ohio State 98 (need two wins out of Penn State, Iowa, UM, bowl; very good shot)
LSU 97 (need three wins out of Bama, LaTech, Ole Miss, Arkansas, Bowl, maybe SECCG - good shot)
Florida 95 (need five wins out of Vandy, USCe, FIU, FSU, SECCG, Bowl; decent shot)

Mathematically possible, but very unlikely:
VT 94 (need six wins, only four regular season games remain, need GT to melt down so they can reach ACCCG plus bowl to get the six games)

Just outside, can't make it:
UGA 94 (need six wins, only four regular season games plus bowl remaining)

__________________________________________________ ________________________

For a little perspective, here's what the numbers look like if you only count wins over BCS AQ teams:

USC 89
OK 84
Texas 78
UGA 75 (that's a little bit of a suprise)
Ohio State 74
UF 73
LSU 70
FSU 69
VT 68
Miami 68
Boise 6

For even more perspective, here's some other mid-majors this decade: Utah 17, Fresno 14, Navy 14, TCU 14, BYU 12, BGSU 10, ECU 9, Toledo 9, Louisville (while still in CUSA) 9, Hawaii 8, Southern Miss 7, Colorado State 6, Houston 6. It's tough to argue with those that criticise Boise's scheduling...

Only 6 of Boise's 106 wins in the decade have come against teams from the big 6 conferences. The other mid majors seem to have no problem scheduling more BCS teams, why does Boise?

[Jakopo]

Originally Posted by GMSTBFLA

I saw this on another forum



Only 6 of Boise's 106 wins in the decade have come against teams from the big 6 conferences. The other mid majors seem to have no problem scheduling more BCS teams, why does Boise?

As I said earlier, I don't buy it either...thanks for pointing out that info.

They need to do what TCU did this year in traveling to both Clemson and Virginia. You don't necessarily have to go after the USC's, LSU's, Ohio State's, etc. Go after the mid level teams from the BCS conferences.

I will give Boise their due in that they generally schedule very good OOC games against non-BCS teams -- they play Utah, BYU, etc. a lot. But their whining about the BCS teams seems exactly what it is -- whining.

[#1BucsDefense]

Originally Posted by Jakopo

They need to do what TCU did this year in traveling to both Clemson and Virginia. You don't necessarily have to go after the USC's, LSU's, Ohio State's, etc. Go after the mid level teams from the BCS conferences.

And what has that done for TCU's chance at going to the NC game? If Boise State played and beat Virginia and Clemson this year do you really think they would have a shot at going to the NC game even if they were undefeated?

[Jakopo]

Originally Posted by #1BucsDefense

And what has that done for TCU's chance at going to the NC game? If Boise State played and beat Virginia and Clemson this year do you really think they would have a shot at going to the NC game even if they were undefeated?

it put them ahead of cincy (a BCS team) and boise...that is about all a midmajor can ask for...no OOC schedule is going to put them ahead of an undefeated winner from the Big X, Big XII or SEC. if Texas and Ala/Fla slip up, it will help put TCU in the national championship game.

As history has shown us, more often than not we don't get two undefeated schools from the major conferences. If this had been a "typical" year with 0 or 1 undefeated schools, TCU would be playing for the national championship game if they win out, thanks in part to the strength of their schedule ... just look at how much the computers love them.

Look at how TCU started the season ranked much lower than Boise, but because in part to their two very solid away wins OOC, they have jumped them.

[#1BucsDefense]

Originally Posted by Jakopo

it put them ahead of cincy (a BCS team) and boise...that is about all a midmajor can ask for...no OOC schedule is going to put them ahead of an undefeated winner from the Big X, Big XII or SEC. if Texas and Ala/Fla slip up, it will help put TCU in the national championship game.

As history has shown us, more often than not we don't get two undefeated schools from the major conferences. If this had been a "typical" year with 0 or 1 undefeated schools, TCU would be playing for the national championship game if they win out, thanks in part to the strength of their schedule ... just look at how much the computers love them.

Look at how TCU started the season ranked much lower than Boise, but because in part to their two very solid away wins OOC, they have jumped them.

A typical year, you mean like last year where 1-loss UF played 1-loss Oklahoma in the NC game while an undefeated Utah (you know, that team from the same conference as TCU) looked on from the outside? Or like two years ago, when a 2-loss LSU and a 1-loss OSU played for the NC game while an undefeated Hawaii looked on from the outside? Or like three years ago, where a 1-loss UF played for the NC game while an undefeated Boise State looked on from the outside? But yea, I'm sure that THIS year an undefeated TCU would get to go to the NC game over some 1-loss team from a major conference because they beat 3-6 Virginia and an unranked Clemson.

Even in UF, Alabama, and Texas all managed to end the season with a loss TCU still wouldn't get into the NC game. No mid-major ever will with the current system, so they might as well make a separate division for them. If a team that goes undefeated doesn't even get a shot at playing for the NC game then they're not in the same division. It would make things a lot simpler and clearer. Nobody complains when Appalachian State goes undefeated and doesn't get a shot at the NC game because its understood they're not in the same division. So either put the mid-majors in a separate division with their own title game, or make a system where everyone in the same division has at least a shot at the NC game.

[BucsMAN3K]

Dear Gators,

Please schedule this game every year instead of Citadel and FIU...I'm tired of going to those games.

[BlackHawk]

Originally Posted by Greg in DC

Did you not read my post about their game against Georgia? What does a top five team have to gain? It's like wrestling against a girl; you don't win much but you can lose a lot.

You're so right! Somebody needs to tell Florida to stop scheduling Charleston Southern! What do they have to gain by playing them?