Simms Signs Jets/fins/lions?!?!?!

With the days left until draft day dwindling I often find myself throwing around scenarios in my head. Most of these "scenarios" include highly unrealistic trades and highly skilled players falling in the Buccaneers favor. Until recently I haven't found too many of these situations possible to take place. You all are thinking the same thing, you all have probably different ideas floating around just waiting for Gruden to hear but never will.

Over the last few months I have been able to narrow it down into three feasible teams that would trade or deal Simms and other things.

DETROIT- Scenario #1- With R. Marinelli(former Buc D.Line Coach) now the head coach of the Detroit Lions, the Lions are somewhat caught between a rock and a hard place trying to decide what they will do with their first round draft pick. They currently have a bust QB by the name of Joey Harrington projected to start next season they will only cause major headaches for the new OC Mike Martz who is used to having a high octane offense with many skill players. So the Lions are left with a young highly skilled receiving corp that Martz will love but the question is who will be throwing the ball on this offense.
The Lions are now left with a select few options that could benefit them in many ways.

#1 Option- The Lions draft Jay Cutler and keep J. Harrington as a career backup. PROS- Young Favre like gun slinger who can be great in a division that is in shambles and don't forget a young receiving team. CONS- A young QB thrown into a young offense will no mentor can be a bad idea look at Alex Smith in SF.

#2 Option- Lions are S-O-L because Jay Cutler is already drafted. They draft an OT. PROS-none. CONS- Young OT that isn't proven.

#3 Option BEST- The Lions sign RFA Chris Simms to a contract that the Bucs cannot cover. They hand over a high 1st and 3rd draft pick to the Bucs. PROS- The Lions now have a proven young QB that could be great especially with Martz running the offense. CONS- Simms busts out while learning a new offense.

WHAT THE BUCS GET FROM BEST OPTION?
The Bucs would receive a high first and third draft pick. With this should they package both 1st round picks and a third for the Jets 4th and draft D'Brick? You tell me.

MIAMI- Scenario #2- You all know the rumors that are floating around about Culpepper going to Miami in about a week or 2 and I think that there are better options for Miami. If Miami decided to take Culpepper they would be contracting a QB in his prime that now has 3 torn ligaments on his injury report and a big contract to go along with it. If they decided to take Chris Simms they would be receiving a young, strong armed, pocket passer that wouldn't demand a contract the size of Culpepper's.
I only have one possible solution that would benefit both the Fins and the Bucs.

#1 Option- The Fins sign Simms to a VERY long contract, give Bucs some good picks. PROS- The Fins get a proven young QB. CONS- Simms doesn't adjust well with Saban and gets traded/cut after a couple years.

WHAT THE BUCS GET FROM THIS OPTION?
Also in this scenario the Bucs get some good picks. Once again I am unsure of who the Bucs would draft if this were to happen. Do we package our picks and trade up or knowing Grudens obsession with offense, package our first rounds and others to draft Reggie Bush????? Once again you tell me.

JETS- Scenario #3- The Jets are probably the most unlucky team in the NFL. First their kicker breaks down during 04 playoffs. Curtis Martin breaks down in 05 and goes from rushing title winner to a washed up RB. Then their franchise Ouarterback Chad Pennington tears a rotator cuff or 2 and won't take a paycut even though his career is done. They are $29 million over the cap and their talent sucks. Yeah kinda sucks for them. So they will be cutting many other players this offseason which already includes Ty Law. They are in need of a complete overhaul team change that should start with a good draft. They need as many picks as possible and I could see them trading down their 4th overall for atleast 3 or 4 quality picks.

Option #1- Jets trade UP and draft Reggie Bush. PROS- Its a Jets fan dream. CONS- Who is Reggie gonna run behind?

Option #2- Jets draft D'Brickashaw Ferguson 4th overall. PROS- Pretty much a low risk high reward player. He won't really bust on the Jets. CONS- The question now is who is gonna throw the ball behind the new line?. Not exactly a fan favorite pick.

Option #3- Jets draft Jay Cutler. PROS- Young beast of an arm and confident in the pocket too. CONS- You imagine being a QB for the Jets...........exactly what I was thinking too.

(DAMN THIS IS ALOT OF TYPING)

Option #4 BEST- Jets cut C. Pennington among others and sign C. Simms(give Bucs a sweet *** 4th overall pick and a good 3rd rounder). PROS- Jets are set with another good young QB. CONS- Sign Simms=less picks.

WHAT THE BUCS GET?
The Bucs would receive an amazing 4th overall pick(I can imagine Gruden drooling right now). Possibly package picks and do who knows what with it?TRADE?

These are all of the options that I can think of at the moment that would be possible scenarios.

[Hawxter19]

I'm willing to bet those three will go after Drew Brees before trading a first and third for Simms.

Brees' arm is done. He is too injury prone from now on. I doubt he will succeed at all with any other teams.

[Hawxter19]

Originally Posted by broks55

Brees' arm is done. He is too injury prone from now on. I doubt he will succeed at all with any other teams.

I don't believe that for a second. He didn't destroy his arm like Pennington. Besides, even a 75% Drew Brees is an upgrade for all three of those teams.

[bucfanguy]

You guys think WAY too much. Settle down a little bit. You had to have given yourself a headache writing all that.

[smoker]

Lions will snatch up Brees from free agency. They don't want Simms.

Don't worry about NY. They couldn't outbid us if they wanted to.

Miami is going to throw the bank at somebody. Look out for them.

Originally Posted by bucfanguy

You guys think WAY too much. Settle down a little bit. You had to have given yourself a headache writing all that.

a small headache

Originally Posted by smoker

Lions will snatch up Brees from free agency. They don't want Simms.

Don't worry about NY. They couldn't outbid us if they wanted to.

Miami is going to throw the bank at somebody. Look out for them.

I could see NY really start preparing to get Simms RIGHT when free agency starts.

[BamaBucBoy]

How about this:

The Bucs KEEP Simms, who you called a "proven, young quarterback" and go on to win the Super Bowl.

See, not nearly so much typing and the Bucs don't have the headaches that what you propose will give them.

I'm glad you are not the GM! LOL!!

Originally Posted by BamaBucBoy

How about this:

The Bucs KEEP Simms, who you called a "proven, young quarterback" and go on to win the Super Bowl.

See, not nearly so much typing and the Bucs don't have the headaches that what you propose will give them.

I'm glad you are not the GM! LOL!!

How about this:
The Bucs will never win a Superbowl with Simms because we have no OLINE and won't have a defense in 4 years.

[BamaBucBoy]

Originally Posted by broks55

How about this:
The Bucs will never win a Superbowl with Simms because we have no OLINE and won't have a defense in 4 years.

I don't necessarily agree with your "doom and gloom" outlook. One of the reasons that we need to KEEP Simms is because the OL needs to be emphasized. As theoriginal poster of this thread, with all due respect, you have the same attitude that kept the Bucs down for so many years: the Bucs, during the "losing" years, had an atrocious offensive line, yet every draft day, they would go after the marquee player, Vinny, Bo, McCants, Young, etc. while they would do nothing to protect their QB or open up the running game with some "beef" up front. Oh, they got the Heisman trophy winner or the big name RB and then went about getting them killed because no one on the team knew how to block.

Now, we've got a good, young QB who has proven that he has the arm and the brains to play. Let's get a good OL in the draft and in free agency that will protect him and open up Caddy for some of those big runs.

An OL can make an impact from the first game of the season. Any QB we might get will take time to learn the system, even a veteran. Simms has it down and will only get better with experience. I hope they don't give up on him like the old regime used to. If they were to pick up that good couple of OL, then I think we could go all the way within 2 years.

And, they are getting some good defensive players in the meantime. I'm not sure they are the caliber of our old "Dungy defense", but Monte Kiffen has a way of getting the best out of his players.

Originally Posted by broks55

#3 Option BEST- The Lions sign RFA Chris Simms to a contract that the Bucs cannot cover. They hand over a high 1st and 3rd draft pick to the Bucs. PROS- The Lions now have a proven young QB that could be great especially with Martz running the offense. CONS- Simms busts out while learning a new offense.

WHAT THE BUCS GET FROM BEST OPTION?
The Bucs would receive a high first and third draft pick. With this should they package both 1st round picks and a third for the Jets 4th and draft D'Brick? You tell me.

With the two 1sts you traded for D'Brick....you could have drafted two solid tackles, a solid tackle and LB, or a solid tackle and CB. As good as D'Brick might be....it makes far more sense to try to pick up more players than to pick up one tackle. While tackle is a need, it isn't the only one.

[jac86]

Can we also trade Pittman to the cardinals for their 1st rd???

[CAbucfan8024]

you guys realise what happened to a QB we once released right? Steve Young

[jac86]

Originally Posted by CAbucfan8024

you guys realise what happened to a QB we once released right? Steve Young

So what we also released Dilfer...

Originally Posted by jac86

So what we also released Dilfer...

Dilfer also won a superbowl

Originally Posted by nolesfan4life

Dilfer also won a superbowl

No he didn't. The defense won a Super Bowl. He just happened to be there.

[LVBUC1]

No one is going to give the Bucs a first and third. Thier are going to be to many FA Quarterbacks out there. Griese Brees Cullpeper, Kidna, Mcnown. Plus Lienart, Cutler, and Yong. While some of these guys aren't as talented as Simms, its not gooing to cost another team a 1st and 3rd to aquire them.

[FanofTB]

Originally Posted by LVBUC1

No one is going to give the Bucs a first and third. Thier are going to be to many FA Quarterbacks out there. Griese Brees Cullpeper, Kidna, Mcnown. Plus Lienart, Cutler, and Yong. While some of these guys aren't as talented as Simms, its not gooing to cost another team a 1st and 3rd to aquire them.

Griese isn't a FA, yet, Culpepper isn't a FA, you would have to trade for him, and its Kitna, not Kidna

[NewBetterBucs05]

Originally Posted by broks55

How about this:
The Bucs will never win a Superbowl with Simms because we have no OLINE and won't have a defense in 4 years.

Well i'm sure we will improve our o-line a lot over the next 4 years. We will be getting some guys in the draft and maybe even off free agency

[njdshady2001]

WOW...this thread was a waste of everything that it has effected.

[PalmBayBuc]

Originally Posted by broks55

How about this:
The Bucs will never win a Superbowl ... because we ... won't have a defense in 4 years.

You think Kiffin will field a team of chumps? They maybe wont be the #1 D in the league, but Kiffin will never fall below the top 10. Thats something most of the league would kill for (Just ask Seattle).

Why are so many people thinking that Simms will get a deal before this years draft. If a team wanted him and was smart, they would wait until after the draft to offer him a contract so that the bucs would get their picks from next year. They could fill other holes through the draft and get Simms afterwards. Of course they would have to have a contingency plan at QB but I doubt anyone would give up their 1st and 3rd this year for him.

[Bucko40]

Who would you suggest the Bucs keep at QB then. Griese is no sure thing to return. His cap figure is unbelieveably high. Rattay is a stop gap at best, so is McNown.

Keep Simms, he's younger has has more upside. Griese would be good IF he restructures (but he won't).

Best case scenerio for the Bucs is to keep Simms, restructure Griese and keep Rattay or McNown. Then stand pat in the draft order and take the best available player at OL, CB, LB or WR on the board.

Our draft priorities are going to depend on Bruce Allens ability to get us some wiggle room under the cap. Then figuring out which, if any, UFA will be re-signed of our own or which new ones will be brought in.

[JudgeDredd]

Originally Posted by jac86

Can we also trade Pittman to the cardinals for their 1st rd???

I do it in Madden.


Hey guys as much as I'd like to keep Simms, other teams are gunning. And it's the offseason- lets fool around. Geez. Imagine a trade does go down with the Jets, Titans get disillusioned of Vince, he falls to the 4th, Gruden jumps on him, we draft an OT later. And have the 4th pick in teh 3rd waiting. i mean that could make for a hell of a talent pool on the Bucs.

We'd become a superior version of the falcons, and maybe now get some actual media attention!

[pmcd95]

Originally Posted by jac86

Can we also trade Pittman to the cardinals for their 1st rd???

Lol, RIGHTTTTTTTTTTTTT

[Ballin_Since_76]

Originally Posted by CAbucfan8024

you guys realise what happened to a QB we once released right? Steve Young

we also released shaun king and rob johnson

Originally Posted by phatback

If a team wanted him and was smart, they would wait until after the draft to offer him a contract so that the bucs would get their picks from next year.

I could be wrong...but I believe the RFA period ends before the draft...

Originally Posted by Ballin_Since_76

we also released shaun king and rob johnson

Actually, we just didn't resign them. We didn't release them.

Originally Posted by NYBucsFan

No he didn't. The defense won a Super Bowl. He just happened to be there.

And the Ravens haven't been anywhere near the Super Bowl since they dumped Dilfer.