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Old 06-04-2006, 07:53 PM
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Most Consistent Pass Rushers

Yea, I'm bored, so here it is, the top pass rushers in the game today, minimum of 60 games played, to eliminate one hit wonders.
10+ = Seasons of 10 or more sacks, %10+ is, conveniently enough, the percentage of their seasons played that they hit 10 sacks. SPG is sacks per game, the primary basis for ranking. I threw in a couple of legends for comparison. A strong argument can be made that Simeon is the best pass rusher in the game today, and the best since Reggie White, however, if Freeney can continue at his pace and have a healthy career, he could become the best ever. I was honestly surprised by Abraham, I expected him to make the list, but not so high. Still, only half of his seasons exceeding 10 sacks exposes a problem with consistency.




NAME.................G.....SEAS....SCKS....10+...% 10+.....SPG
Dwight Freeney......63.....04.....051.0.....3.....75%.... .0.81
Simeon Rice........158.....10.....119.0.....8.....80%.... .0.75
John Abraham........73.....06.....053.5.....3.....50%.. ...0.73
Julius Peppers......60.....04.....040.5.....3.....75%.... .0.68
Gbaja-biamila.......86.....06.....058.5.....4.....67%... ..0.68
Michael Strahan....191.....13.....129.5.....6.....46%..... 0.68
Jason Taylor.......140.....09.....092.5.....4.....44%... ..0.66
Jevon Kearse........95.....07.....062.5.....3.....43%... ..0.66
Leonard Little......97.....08.....061.0.....2.....23%..... 0.63

Reggie White.......232.....15.....198.0....12.....80%.... .0.85
Bruce Smith........279.....19.....200.0....13.....68%... ..0.72
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Old 06-04-2006, 07:57 PM
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I would think Aaron Schobel would be on the list right after all of these. Very, very underrated DE.
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Old 06-04-2006, 07:58 PM
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Take out Peppers and put in Jason Taylor.
Jason Taylor is on there.............
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Old 06-04-2006, 07:58 PM
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I would think Aaron Schobel would be on the list right after all of these. Very, very underrated DE.
The same could be said for Patrick Kerney even though I hate to say it.
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Old 06-04-2006, 08:00 PM
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Jason Taylor is on there.............
Crap. Wrong player. I'll edit it.
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Old 06-04-2006, 08:02 PM
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for me, its Michael Strahan hands down. osi on the other side would be nothing without him.
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Old 06-04-2006, 08:03 PM
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Take out Peppers and put in John Abraham.
Ummm Abraham is on there too
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Old 06-04-2006, 08:04 PM
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Strahan takes entire years off from pass rushing, as evidenced by the list. The best two way end, no doubt, but not pass rusher.

The list only includes players with 60+ games that average more than 0.6 sacks per game. Only these 9 qualified.

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Old 06-04-2006, 08:04 PM
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Strahan obviously. But I'd take Freeney over all of em.
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Old 06-04-2006, 08:40 PM
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3 more seasons than Simeon and only 10 more sacks..
3.33 sacks those 3 seasons?
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Old 06-04-2006, 08:41 PM
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Take out Peppers and put in John Abraham.
Are u a Falcons fan is disguise?
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Old 06-04-2006, 08:57 PM
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Yes........no. Schools out and I don't read. I'll just delete it.
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Old 06-04-2006, 09:18 PM
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Are u a Falcons fan is disguise?
It wouldn't be a very good disguise if he admited to it, now would it be?
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Old 06-04-2006, 10:15 PM
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As far as I'm concerned, Simeon is the best pure pass rusher over the past 10 years, and the second best in the modern era (behind Reggie White).

Everyone says Strahan is better. Look, he had one really, really good year, and a bunch of solid ones. But not nearly as consistent as Simeon. If Favre hadn't given him that gimme of a sack, he wouldn't have the record and his reputation wouldn't be nearly as good. Simeon is better than Strahan in all of the categories above, and if he keeps it up, he will definitely pass him in sacks.

Jason Taylor is very good, but look at the numbers. Not as good as Simeon.

Freeney has a chance, but will have to keep up his pace for many, many more years.

I think if Simeon has 5 more years of 10+ sacks, he should be a HOFer. Anyone else agree?

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Old 06-04-2006, 10:15 PM
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for me, its Michael Strahan hands down. osi on the other side would be nothing without him.
Funny you would say that, seeing he has played in 33 more games than Rice, and only has 10 more sacks.
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Old 06-04-2006, 11:21 PM
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Funny you would say that, seeing he has played in 33 more games than Rice, and only has 10 more sacks.
But you also have to factor in that injury he had about two years ago when he missed the last half of the season
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Old 06-04-2006, 11:48 PM
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for me, its Michael Strahan hands down. osi on the other side would be nothing without him.
definitly

stahan is a beast

my boy is a giants fan

i hate watchin him rip up o-lines week after week
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Old 06-05-2006, 03:32 AM
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Knock of Abraham is his injuries. Sure he has a rather high sacks per game...if he plays the game. He only averages 12 games a year, having already missed 23 games to injury. His sacks per game drop to .56 if you include the games he has missed due to injury. So, on average he'll get you about 8 or 9 sacks a year and play about 12-14 games. Good, but not elite.

Meanwhile, Simeon has played in 158 out of a possible 160 games. Freeney has played 63 out of 64 and as long as he stays healthy and keeps up what he's doing, he'll set the standard for the position. Heck, I wanted Manny Lawson just so we could have Sim's replacement ready. I think he is the next Freeney. I just laugh everytime I remember how Mel Kiper blasted the Colts for reaching for Freeney. Today, that pick had a heck of a value. Unfortunately for the Colts, their chances of being able to keep him wont be very good. I read somewhere that he wants to be the highest paid player in the league.

The one thing that I don't like about Rice is that he is kind of streaky. He'll get his sacks in bunches. I don't always see consistent pressure from him like you do with Freeney. Maybe its just the defense thats being played, but sometimes it looks like the OT just has Rice locked up.
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Old 06-05-2006, 03:40 AM
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I think if Simeon has 5 more years of 10+ sacks, he should be a HOFer. Anyone else agree?
I think Simeon definitely has the numbers to be a Hall of Famer. He's 32 now. Playing for 5 more years would put him at 37. I don't think he could manage 10 sacks at 37 but he does train like crazy. So lets say he averages 10 sacks over the next 5 years. 50 sacks + 119 = 169 sacks. That would easily own the #3 all time sack mark behind Bruce Smith and Reggie White. If the age doesn't catch up to him any time soon and he keeps up this pace, he could catch the record. I'm sure he wants it.
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Old 06-05-2006, 08:49 PM
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Matched Rookie sack record (12.5) until Jevon Kearse. Highest average per season (no injury excuses) among active players. Most consecutive multiple sack games (5)...
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Old 06-05-2006, 10:04 PM
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Funny you would say that, seeing he has played in 33 more games than Rice, and only has 10 more sacks.
lol, you think im saying this to get at simeon? not everything is about you buc fans....

Anyways, like I was saying, Strahan, outside of last year, has had no one else on the d-line who was even a threat for 10 sacks a year. because of that, he has been doubled plenty of times. Now you can't say the same for simeon rice.
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Old 06-05-2006, 10:05 PM
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I agree at this pace, if simeon keeps it going for 3-4 years, hes a definite hall of famer, but i would say hes definitly not a 1st ballot one, unless he gets way up there in the 180's.
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Old 06-05-2006, 10:08 PM
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Knock of Abraham is his injuries. Sure he has a rather high sacks per game...if he plays the game. He only averages 12 games a year, having already missed 23 games to injury.His sacks per game drop to .56 if you include the games he has missed due to injury. So, on average he'll get you about 8 or 9 sacks a year and play about 12-14 games. Good, but not elite.
lol, where is the logic in that. reminds me of dunn vs. duckett threads on the Atl board.

"if you take away all of dunn's 20+ runs, he only averages...." lmao
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Old 06-06-2006, 11:04 AM
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lol, where is the logic in that. reminds me of dunn vs. duckett threads on the Atl board.

"if you take away all of dunn's 20+ runs, he only averages...." lmao
It's always good to include as many lols and lmaos as you can in response to a post you don't understand.

The point of the statistic was Number of Sacks per POSSIBLE Game. He gets paid regardless of whether he is injured or not, so that is the production you are getting from the contract. WHEN he plays, Abraham a pretty good pass rusher. On a 6 year, 45 million dollar deal, he'll be making 7.5 mill a year (per year average) to produce .56 sacks per game (including games injured).

Now, if you think John Abraham won't be injured at all, then you will likely see the .73 sacks per game production. And if you do believe that he won't get injured, pass over whatever you're drinking. Enjoy the logic.
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