Jamie Winborn

[The Train]

Will Jamie be starting in the linebacker corps for the Bucs this year? Will it be at strong side? Who does he need to beat out? I can't recall him much from Jax, what was the deal with him there?

[mtnbucman]

I saw him listed at WILL behind DB, but he has learned both positions, so many have speculated he could compete with Nece at SAM.

[HighOnMtZion]

Originally Posted by The Train

Will Jamie be starting in the linebacker corps for the Bucs this year? Will it be at strong side? Who does he need to beat out? I can't recall him much from Jax, what was the deal with him there?

He'll most likely be our starting SSLB. Hes a little undersized and has some injury concerns but hes an amazing athlete. In San Fransisco he played every position on D other than DT. He's ideally suited for WSLB but obviously we have that spot filled.......however if Brooks did go down for some reason i think hed be the guy fillin in for him until he returns. I liked the signing for that reason but i would have prefered us to go after Hillenmeyer from Chicago who is the ideal SSLB in our system........all it would have costed us is a 5th round pick. Anyways we continue our trend of signing WSLB'ers to fill out SSLB role.......i think he'll play roughly about as good as Ian Gold did for us.

[mtnbucman]

Originally Posted by HighOnMtZion

He'll most likely be our starting SSLB. Hes a little undersized and has some injury concerns but hes an amazing athlete. In San Fransisco he played every position on D other than DT. He's ideally suited for WSLB but obviously we have that spot filled.......however if Brooks did go down for some reason i think hed be the guy fillin in for him until he returns. I liked the signing for that reason but i would have prefered us to go after Hillenmeyer from Chicago who is the ideal SSLB in our system........all it would have costed us is a 5th round pick. Anyways we continue our trend of signing WSLB'ers to fill out SSLB role.......i think he'll play roughly about as good as Ian Gold did for us.

I was on your band wagon for Hillenmeyer, but it has worked out better with Jenkins & Winborn.

[Clayton80future]

Barrett Ruud could win the starting MLB position in TC and in the pre-season, so Shelton Quarles could very well switch back over to SLB.

"every position other than DT?"

He played cornerback?

[HighOnMtZion]

Originally Posted by 40freighttrain

"every position other than DT?"

He played cornerback?

Yes........i never saw it happen but there was an article i read about 2 years ago. It was more for fanstasy football but it mentioned the fact that Winborn could end up being better than Peterson for the 49'ers and also the fact that he lined up at every position for the 49'ers the previous year until and injury derailed what was a start to an amazing season. A couple years and injuries later obviously thats not the case........but i could see him doing big things in our system. When the 49'ers switched to a 3-4 he didnt really fit and he has the injuries, hes much better suited for WLB, but again he'll more than likely start at SLB and backup Brooks.

[IchabodCrane#84]

Originally Posted by Clayton80future

Barrett Ruud could win the starting MLB position in TC and in the pre-season, so Shelton Quarles could very well switch back over to SLB.

Now there's a thought.

However Ryan Nece, always fights his way into the starting lineup.

[Naptyme]

Originally Posted by HighOnMtZion

Yes........i never saw it happen but there was an article i read about 2 years ago. It was more for fanstasy football but it mentioned the fact that Winborn could end up being better than Peterson for the 49'ers and also the fact that he lined up at every position for the 49'ers the previous year until and injury derailed what was a start to an amazing season. A couple years and injuries later obviously thats not the case........but i could see him doing big things in our system. When the 49'ers switched to a 3-4 he didnt really fit and he has the injuries, hes much better suited for WLB, but again he'll more than likely start at SLB and backup Brooks.

I agree that Winborn is an amazing athlete and was excited that we got him but I am a little puzzled that if he was able to play all positions but DT in a 4-3 then obviously he knows how to adapt his skills to playing outside of his suited position then why would it be so hard for him to adapt to a 3-4?

[HighOnMtZion]

Originally Posted by Naptyme

I agree that Winborn is an amazing athlete and was excited that we got him but I am a little puzzled that if he was able to play all positions but DT in a 4-3 then obviously he knows how to adapt his skills to playing outside of his suited position then why would it be so hard for him to adapt to a 3-4?

not really sure but it happens. Hes a smaller quicker linebacker which likes to play on the outside. and im not sure how effective he was at DE for them. im just letting people know what the article said and articles follwing that. i dont feel like lookin up the stats but before he was injured a couple years ago he had alot of sacks and INT's in 5-7 games. sometimes players get on those kinda runs but it seems like hes always making plays when hes healthy.

Winborn will start and he will be a stud! I was thrilled when they signed this guy! He will be a Pro- Bowler here! He has great coverage skills; he has the speed to cover recievers and amd backs, and the size and strength to cover TE's. He is a great pass rusher and solid enough against the run. Nece will be a backup again!

[bcslver55]

Originally Posted by IchabodCrane#84

Now there's a thought.

However Ryan Nece, always fights his way into the starting lineup.

I don't know how many people actually know this about Ryan Nece but he is actually Ronnie Lott's Son. Maybe that explains why he is so resiliant.

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[no1bucsfan29]

Originally Posted by IchabodCrane#84

Now there's a thought.

However Ryan Nece, always fights his way into the starting lineup.

Actually he doesn't fight his way in, he gets the job by default due to injuries...

[IchabodCrane#84]

Originally Posted by no1bucsfan29

Actually he doesn't fight his way in, he gets the job by default due to injuries...

I know he won the starting job in training camp against Dwayne Rudd. Flat out outplayed him. And they felt comfortable enough with Nece to release Ian Gold without trying to re-sign him, so we'll see.

[NAVYBUC]

At the least Winborn will be the strong side nickel LB and spell Brooks. Nece has a fight on his hands, but I don't think that Winborn is a lock especially the way that Monte's D works. The Tampa 2 is such a strong system that it's hard for newcomers to come in and compete against established starters.

[no1bucsfan29]

Originally Posted by IchabodCrane#84

I know he won the starting job in training camp against Dwayne Rudd. Flat out outplayed him. And they felt comfortable enough with Nece to release Ian Gold without trying to re-sign him, so we'll see.

He did beat Rudd, but that's not really saying much.

As for Gold being released, they did that to save the 8 million dollar contract he had, not because of faith in Nece, as a matter of fact, Gooch was named the SLB going into last season, the only reason Nece got the job was because of the leg injury to Gooch I.E., he got the job by default due to injury.

[Psykes]

Originally Posted by IchabodCrane#84

Now there's a thought.

However Ryan Nece, always fights his way into the starting lineup.

Nece wouldn't have started last year, had it not been for the injury to Gooch.

[Psykes]

Originally Posted by NAVYBUC

The Tampa 2 is such a strong system that it's hard for newcomers to come in and compete against established starters.

Yes it is, but I would hardly call Nece "established". He's been in and out of the starting lineup the last few years.

[HighOnMtZion]

Originally Posted by IchabodCrane#84

I know he won the starting job in training camp against Dwayne Rudd. Flat out outplayed him. And they felt comfortable enough with Nece to release Ian Gold without trying to re-sign him, so we'll see.

Rudd was overrated and also had an injury in camp that hindered him in learning the system. Gold wanted to play weakside and thats why he left for denver again. It had nothing to do with them feeling comfortable enough with losing him. They would have kept him if they could afford it and if he didnt want to play weakside so bad. And yes Gooch won the starting job last year before his injury. Winborn should easily win the starting job as long as he doesnt get injured.

[IchabodCrane#84]

Originally Posted by HighOnMtZion

Rudd was overrated and also had an injury in camp that hindered him in learning the system. Gold wanted to play weakside and thats why he left for denver again. It had nothing to do with them feeling comfortable enough with losing him. They would have kept him if they could afford it and if he didnt want to play weakside so bad. And yes Gooch won the starting job last year before his injury. Winborn should easily win the starting job as long as he doesnt get injured.

The Nece and Winborn battle will be a good one this pre-season. I've heard a lot of great things about Winborn. Yet I do know that Nece, the undrafted free agent has done some good things for us in the past. He's also had some bad games, key missed tackles. It'll be interesting, but I wouldn't be surprised if Nece wins the starting position.

[no1bucsfan29]

Originally Posted by IchabodCrane#84

The Nece and Winborn battle will be a good one this pre-season. I've heard a lot of great things about Winborn. Yet I do know that Nece, the undrafted free agent has done some good things for us in the past. He's also had some bad games, key missed tackles. It'll be interesting, but I wouldn't be surprised if Nece wins the starting position.

My biggest, and really only problem with Nece is watching him get ran over by smaller running backs, he dies usually make the tackle, but he gives up another 2-3 yds by falling backwards instead of pushing the RB backwards. That's whi I'm excited about Winborn, he not only has great speed, but he's strong and can tackle without losing ground on the way down, I hate seeing a 2 yd run turn into a 5-6 yd gain due to not being able to stop the rb after initial contact.

Originally Posted by The Train

Will Jamie be starting in the linebacker corps for the Bucs this year? Will it be at strong side? Who does he need to beat out? I can't recall him much from Jax, what was the deal with him there?

he knows Will and Sam, but will most likely compete with Nece for the Sam 'backer. Theres no way he can overtake Brooks at Will

[mtnbucman]

Originally Posted by Psykes

Nece wouldn't have started last year, had it not been for the injury to Gooch.

Agree Psykes, but Winborn may need to take a little more time to learn how Monte wants it done. Nece has the edge going into the regular season IMO.