Square peg, round hole

[tampabayfan]

This is why we are 0-3. In the game last night, one of announcers was talking about how the coach was designing an offense to suit the talents of the offense and not expecting players to fit his scheme. He said that's coaching. Gruden does not do this, he expects the players to do what he wants.

I think even if Peyton Manning was the qb here, we would be 0-3. Reason being is Peyton does not fit his style of offense. Once you get away from what the qb is good at, you take away is confidence. I don't care who the qb is, he will struggle in this offense. Just look at where the past 5 years of qbs have gone.

Get well Simms.

[Selmon63]

I would simply counter that Griese and Johnson played the best football of their careers under Gruden and his "close-minded" approach.

[UMiamiBucFan]

I agree, Simms doesn't seem to fit the mold of the Gruden QB. However, Gruden was the HC here when Simms was drafted. Why on earth would the Bucs draft a QB that didn't fit the system?

[Buc Nashville]

Exactly...

What is Chris Simms strong point?

His arm of course....

He is suited for the long ball, and mid-range passes. How many times a game does Gruden go deep? Not nearly enough....

Originally Posted by Buc Nashville

What is Chris Simms strong point?

His arm of course....

I used to think that.

I think there is some kind of rumor/urban legend/something along those lines that Simms was a McKay pick made mostly to stick it to Gruden.

[Q-man]

Well, it's a moot point now! Simms is in the hospital
and done for the year!
So, let's hear your views on the new starting QB
Gradkowski?

[tampabayfan]

Originally Posted by Selmon63

I would simply counter that Griese and Johnson played the best football of their careers under Gruden and his "close-minded" approach.

Brad also went 0-4 to start the 04 season and got benched. Griese didn't impress me either. Simms did more last year to get us to playoffs than Griese did, but yet flopped this year. It doesn't help us much if their best football doesn't equate to wins.

[Selmon63]

Didn't Brad also have a franchise best TD/winning % season under Gruden?

[Chas]

A great many people have suggested the same as you. I do know that Simms has thrown more deep balls than Johnson did... I just don't know if that is due to play design, speed at wideout or qb decision making.

[Gooshdawg]

Originally Posted by Buc Nashville

Exactly...

What is Chris Simms strong point?

His arm of course....

He is suited for the long ball, and mid-range passes. How many times a game does Gruden go deep? Not nearly enough....

Favre has a strong arm and had a HoF career in the WCO the same can be said for McNabb. Well except the HoF part, but he has a good arm and has played well in the system.

[Legacy]

Originally Posted by UMiamiBucFan

I agree, Simms doesn't seem to fit the mold of the Gruden QB. However, Gruden was the HC here when Simms was drafted. Why on earth would the Bucs draft a QB that didn't fit the system?

McKay made that decision for Gruden.

[tampabayfan]

Originally Posted by Selmon63

Didn't Brad also have a franchise best TD/winning % season under Gruden?

in 2002? I'm sure he did, but if he were consistent and somehow can take his great effort in 2002 and turn that wins in 2004, then maybe we would have been better than 5-11. Why couldn't he? I do believe in 2002, Gruden waterdowned his offense because everyone on the offense needed to learn it. He expected by 2004 that everyone would be able to conform to his offense--it backfired. It was the worst year since Wyche was the head coach. I can see 2006 being even worse. I believe he did that again last year for Simms since he was a wet behind the ears. He expected Simms to make that leap like he wanted Brad to do. The result--0-3.

[JamesWilder32]

Originally Posted by Gooshdawg

Favre has a strong arm and had a HoF career in the WCO the same can be said for McNabb. Well except the HoF part, but he has a good arm and has played well in the system.

Yes, but nobody running the WCO relies so heavily on the 3 step drop, nobody but Gruden that is.

[JamesWilder32]

I thought for a second that this thread had something to do with Booger trying to fit into Sapp's old spot and not doing it well at all. Booger is slightly more square than the rotund Sapp and he certainly doesn't fit the defense the way the havoc wreaking Sapp of old did. I miss playmakers on this team. Caddy thinks he's the 2nd coming of Barry Sanders and spends too much damn time dancing around the backfield instead of hitting the hole hard and picking up 2 or 3. Never thought I would hear myself say this, Alstott needs to be getting some carries on 1st and 2nd down and get us a few positive yards. Caddy just isn't cutting it.

[HighOnMtZion]

Originally Posted by UMiamiBucFan

I agree, Simms doesn't seem to fit the mold of the Gruden QB. However, Gruden was the HC here when Simms was drafted. Why on earth would the Bucs draft a QB that didn't fit the system?

RICH MCKAY

[tampabayfan]

Originally Posted by JamesWilder32

I thought for a second that this thread had something to do with Booger trying to fit into Sapp's old spot and not doing it well at all. Booger is slightly more square than the rotund Sapp and he certainly doesn't fit the defense the way the havoc wreaking Sapp of old did. I miss playmakers on this team. Caddy thinks he's the 2nd coming of Barry Sanders and spends too much damn time dancing around the backfield instead of hitting the hole hard and picking up 2 or 3. Never thought I would hear myself say this, Alstott needs to be getting some carries on 1st and 2nd down and get us a few positive yards. Caddy just isn't cutting it.

lol Sapp was hip to be square. Hey I say put whoever makes the best effort to help this team win should be the starter. I'm not happy with Caddy's 2 yrds a carry. Alstott should get his share if he get those first downs. Something is seriously wrong when Gruden is relying on Simms to throw a pass on 3rd and five--seriously wrong.

[nhbucsfan]

It's called non-existant run blocking.

Originally Posted by Buc Nashville

Exactly...

What is Chris Simms strong point?

His arm of course....

He is suited for the long ball, and mid-range passes. How many times a game does Gruden go deep? Not nearly enough....

Simms has a strong arm but he's pretty accurate (on short throws too) and leads receivers well when he has time. It was apparent last year but not so much this year.

Let's wait and see how "Ski" does

[tampabayfan]

Originally Posted by nhbucsfan

It's called non-existant run blocking.

thats only part of the problem. If one guy is having more success vs the defense, why not give that guy more carries instead of the guy having limited success. I don't think Caddy is 100% and he isnt having much success at all. If Alstott or Graham can help this offense out, why not give them a try? Its very frustrating to watch the offense fail when someone on the bench can make a difference.

[nhbucsfan]

Alstott will not help. He is good at what he does now, his job will not change no matter how much everyone wants it to.

[JamesWilder32]

Alstott runs hard and straight ahead and that is what we need, an unflinching power runner that will move the pile, not some little dancing scatback wannabe that has averaged 3 ypc since the 4th game of his career. Check out everybody else's ypc in that span, I bet they are better than 3.0.

[alstott4ever]

Alstott is still on our team????? Holy ****!! I would have never known......he never gets the damn ball!!!!