How do you view this ? Clayton...

[Buccs99]

This morning I was listening to Ron and Ian. They said that Michael Clayton said that he was happy and understood his role being the #2 guy ?


He seems to be nothing but a role player and I seem to lose a little respect with the guy as a football player for comments like that. It seems like he doesnt want to strive and get back to the next level in this league. It's a shame, the guy right now is wasting his abilities to be a "role player" on a bad football team. How much that is to blame on himself or maybe the coaching or qb ?

Discuss.

[tampabayfan]

I agree he should be happy with #2. he should be saying I'm working my way to become #1. If he's content at #2, well that is where he will stay.

[no1bucsfan29]

He doesn't deserve to be the #2 guy either. He CANNOT CATCH!

[paco74]

I'm curious here. Would you respect him more if he came out and said he shoudl be #1 and should be thrown at 15 times a game? Maybe he should call out Gruden while he is at it. He's not having the greatest year and he knows it. Humility won out. That is worth respecting I think.

[Buccs99]

Originally Posted by paco74

I'm curious here. Would you respect him more if he came out and said he shoudl be #1 and should be thrown at 15 times a game? Maybe he should call out Gruden while he is at it. He's not having the greatest year and he knows it. Humility won out. That is worth respecting I think.

No, I would have more respect and excitement with him if he said he was content with #2 at the moment BUT IM WORKING HARD EVERYDAY TO BECOME THE NUMBER 1 PLAYER HERE IN TAMPA. I WANT TO STRIVE TO BE THE BEST.

But he didnt say that. He sounded very meloncholy in his tone. I didnt like that at all.


And my stance is this: I love Clayton. I really think he has a very bright future. Players arent one year wonders. You have to have talent to produce like that. But they have to work hard every year to produce.

He might not get the ball all the time and he should call them out on it. If he wanted to be the best, he needs to call his team out. Then again, if he did that, he would be cut next year.


Guys who have done that:

Keyshawn
McCardell
Jurevicous

If Clayton was to call out Gruden and tell him that He wanted the damn ball, he would join that list.

[Selmon63]

This is a spin thread. You could spin his response either way. As long as he's in shape, working hard and not being a distraction, I don't think any of it matters. And if he's not doing any of these things, then what he says still doesn't matter.

Originally Posted by Buccs99

This morning I was listening to Ron and Ian. They said that Michael Clayton said that he was happy and understood his role being the #2 guy ?


He seems to be nothing but a role player and I seem to lose a little respect with the guy as a football player for comments like that. It seems like he doesnt want to strive and get back to the next level in this league. It's a shame, the guy right now is wasting his abilities to be a "role player" on a bad football team. How much that is to blame on himself or maybe the coaching or qb ?

Discuss.

DO NOT give up on Clayton.........we have all seen his greatness......he could be one of the best ever.........we saw that. It was coached out of him by Gruden.........just as the fire was coached out of Caddy by Gruden.......and soon Gradkowski too.

I firmly believe this....this is not shtick......... once we have a new coach....or Clayton goes to another team.......you will see his excel all over again.

[Buccs99]

Originally Posted by Selmon63

This is a spin thread. You could spin his response either way. As long as he's in shape, working hard and not being a distraction, I don't think any of it matters. And if he's not doing any of these things, then what he says still doesn't matter.

Selmon, im not trying to spin this although it comes off that way. Just mere opinions and discussion on his situation in tampa.

DO NOT give up on Clayton.........we have all seen his greatness......he could be one of the best ever.........we saw that. It was coached out of him by Gruden.........just as the fire was coached out of Caddy by Gruden.......and soon Gradkowski too.

Schtick or not Chronic, I believe what you say. Like I said above, I like Clayton. Big fan of his and he can be a very good player in this league. He has shown us in his rookie year. He just needs to pick it up and dont let the things around him bring him and his game down. Same goes for Caddy as well.

[BucFan LHT]

Idk, i feel like if he his the #1 reciever he will step up more. Just like he did i=his rookie year, maybe being the #2 guy put im in a weird mindset. Not sayin, just saying.

[Selmon63]

Originally Posted by BucFan LHT

Idk, i feel like if he his the #1 reciever he will step up more. Just like he did i=his rookie year, maybe being the #2 guy put im in a weird mindset. Not sayin, just saying.

not spellin', just spellin'.

[wikkedbucschic]

I thought we traded jerivicious because of injuries... I think Clayton should not be content being number 2, hell he should beg for a trade and go somewhere else where he will be given the ball. Chucky chewed him up and is essentially spitting him out...

[Public Enemy II]

Originally Posted by Selmon63

not spellin', just spellin'.

[paco74]

Originally Posted by Buccs99

No, I would have more respect and excitement with him if he said he was content with #2 at the moment BUT IM WORKING HARD EVERYDAY TO BECOME THE NUMBER 1 PLAYER HERE IN TAMPA. I WANT TO STRIVE TO BE THE BEST.

But he didnt say that. He sounded very meloncholy in his tone. I didnt like that at all.


And my stance is this: I love Clayton. I really think he has a very bright future. Players arent one year wonders. You have to have talent to produce like that. But they have to work hard every year to produce.

He might not get the ball all the time and he should call them out on it. If he wanted to be the best, he needs to call his team out. Then again, if he did that, he would be cut next year.


Guys who have done that:

Keyshawn
McCardell
Jurevicous

If Clayton was to call out Gruden and tell him that He wanted the damn ball, he would join that list.

I digress and will say I did not hear the interview. He must be dijected on the team performance this year. Maybe his apathy speaks volumes. He knows he can't really come out and say things agains the organization, but the tone of his voice says more than his words.

In all fareness, Keyshawn, McCardell,and even Jurevicious were proven players years over. I think their words carried further than Clayton's would now. Didn't Rice speak out a year or so ago? He is still here...for now.

[wikkedbucschic]

Originally Posted by paco74

I digress and will say I did not hear the interview. He must be dijected on the team performance this year. Maybe his apathy speaks volumes. He knows he can't really come out and say things agains the organization, but the tone of his voice says more than his words.

In all fareness, Keyshawn, McCardell,and even Jurevicious were proven players years over. I think their words carried further than Clayton's would now. Didn't Rice speak out a year or so ago? He is still here...for now.

Please do not use the words Keyshawn and Jerivicious in the same sentence it makes me want to vomit..

[Buccs99]

Originally Posted by paco74

I digress and will say I did not hear the interview. He must be dijected on the team performance this year. Maybe his apathy speaks volumes. He knows he can't really come out and say things agains the organization, but the tone of his voice says more than his words.

In all fareness, Keyshawn, McCardell,and even Jurevicious were proven players years over. I think their words carried further than Clayton's would now. Didn't Rice speak out a year or so ago? He is still here...for now.

Rice spoke out before the 49ers game and he was benched for that game.

They were proven veterans, you're right. But if Gruden wouldnt take anything they had to say with a grain of salt, then I think someone that has been in the league 3 years UNDER HIM, he would be thrown under the bus.

Clayton has struggled most of the season with his catching. But he hasnt had much chance to find a stride and to get it rolling. If someone can, find out how many times he has been thrown year by year.

[CPT_FEAR]

Well, i guess he didn't mean it as you are saying.

I think he wants to get the best, but right now he isn't. And i think it's better if you say:

Okay, i'm fine with him being #1 as he deserves it instead of saying:

I'm best i should be #1, what wouldn't be true.

Also as a WR #2 is a starting position. Why should you not be content with starting?

[Buccs99]

Originally Posted by wikkedbucschic

Please do not use the words Keyshawn and Jerivicious in the same sentence it makes me want to vomit..

They both went out the same way just about. Only difference was that Keyshawn was vocal with him on national t.v. and in the media.


Keyshawn called him a phoney. Boy was he right.

[Buccs99]

Originally Posted by CPT_FEAR

Well, i guess he didn't mean it as you are saying.

I think he wants to get the best, but right now he isn't. And i think it's better if you say:

Okay, i'm fine with him being #1 as he deserves it instead of saying:

I'm best i should be #1, what wouldn't be true.

Also as a WR #2 is a starting position. Why should you not be content with starting?

Because he is a #2 reciever, which is a role player. He was a top 15 pick just 3 years ago and he is subdued to a "role player" ? That is a waste of money and talent. That can be blamed on both his work and on the coach.

[Selmon63]

Originally Posted by wikkedbucschic

Please do not use the words Keyshawn and Jerivicious in the same sentence it makes me want to vomit..

How's this for a sentence? Jurevicius couldn't hold Johnson's jock. There's not even a debate there. Keyshawn may be the best receiver we ever had in Tampa. He's certainly among the top 3 or 4 at worst.

[SimmsTheAnswer]

Originally Posted by Buccs99

No, I would have more respect and excitement with him if he said he was content with #2 at the moment BUT IM WORKING HARD EVERYDAY TO BECOME THE NUMBER 1 PLAYER HERE IN TAMPA. I WANT TO STRIVE TO BE THE BEST.

But he didnt say that. He sounded very meloncholy in his tone. I didnt like that at all.

so he's not a ****ing PR guy. i doubt the nfl, or the bucs, give all their signees classes on how to respond to dumb questions from the media. too bad for clayton he wasn't a public speaking major in college, now he has to get everything he says disected by idiots like you. he's being humble, you couldn't ask for anything more from a player, a true team player.

[paco74]

Originally Posted by wikkedbucschic

Please do not use the words Keyshawn and Jerivicious in the same sentence it makes me want to vomit..

We all have a bad taste in our mouths because of the way we lost both guys, but you must admit that KMac, Key, and JJ were a triple threat when playing together. Damn, I did it again!

[Buccs99]

Originally Posted by SimmsTheAnswer

so he's not a ****ing PR guy. i doubt the nfl, or the bucs, give all their signees classes on how to respond to dumb questions from the media. too bad for clayton he wasn't a public speaking major in college, now he has to get everything he says disected by idiots like you. he's being humble, you couldn't ask for anything more from a player, a true team player.

Well, if he wants to be nothing more than a #2 receiver then he can take his *** somewhere else because I dont want second rate players on this team that arent going to give 100% and strive for better.

Im glad you like your players to be daisy pushers and not try to be better than what they are now. Thats why we only have 3 wins. People are content with being nothing but second rate.

[SimmsTheAnswer]

Originally Posted by Buccs99

Well, if he wants to be nothing more than a #2 receiver then he can take his *** somewhere else because I dont want second rate players on this team that arent going to give 100% and strive for better.

Im glad you like your players to be daisy pushers and not try to be better than what they are now. Thats why we only have 3 wins. People are content with being nothing but second rate.

that's one take on what i just said. a more intelligent take would be that clayton is working hard, as we've all seen this preseason, and heard in prior interviews, but doesn't want to cause any chaos (see: the opposite of keyshawn). of course he wants to be a #1, all nfl palyers do. there's not a single player in the nfl that doesn't want to be the best at his position. no one sits there and says "hey, i'm happy being a backup, i never want to start". you must be an idiot to think that a player with the fire that clayton has would just be content to sit and catch the occasional ball. if you knew anything about him, or the bucs, you'd know that he's just being a good teamate, a good person. it's not his place to speak to the media about his playing time, i would be willing to bet money that he's spoken to gruden about it though. doing things the right way apaprently is not what you want, though. you want some loudmouth, look at me, media hog of a player that complains about everything publicly. no wonder you love keyshawn so much.

[wikkedbucschic]

Originally Posted by SimmsTheAnswer

that's one take on what i just said. a more intelligent take would be that clayton is working hard, as we've all seen this preseason, and heard in prior interviews, but doesn't want to cause any chaos (see: the opposite of keyshawn). of course he wants to be a #1, all nfl palyers do. there's not a single player in the nfl that doesn't want to be the best at his position. no one sits there and says "hey, i'm happy being a backup, i never want to start". you must be an idiot to think that a player with the fire that clayton has would just be content to sit and catch the occasional ball. if you knew anything about him, or the bucs, you'd know that he's just being a good teamate, a good person. it's not his place to speak to the media about his playing time, i would be willing to bet money that he's spoken to gruden about it though. doing things the right way apaprently is not what you want, though. you want some loudmouth, look at me, media hog of a player that complains about everything publicly. no wonder you love keyshawn so much.

Maybe he does need to speak up and say something. Maybe TB needs a wakeup call to put some fire under their .......

[SimmsTheAnswer]

Originally Posted by wikkedbucschic

Maybe he does need to speak up and say something. Maybe TB needs a wakeup call to put some fire under their .......

i agree, but it shouldn't come from clayton. he's got no clout, no presense. it needs to come from someone the other players look up to, and that's not clayton. it needs to be: brooks, barber, or hell, anyone else that's been here for a while and has the teams respect.

but clayton calling out the team is like phillips calling out players, it just isn't appropriate.

[wikkedbucschic]

Originally Posted by SimmsTheAnswer

i agree, but it shouldn't come from clayton. he's got no clout, no presense. it needs to come from someone the other players look up to, and that's not clayton. it needs to be: brooks, barber, or hell, anyone else that's been here for a while and has the teams respect.

but clayton calling out the team is like phillips calling out players, it just isn't appropriate.

So you are saying that when you are unhappy with something you ask someone else to fix it for you? Respect is earned not owed..
Furthermore, he doesn't have to call out the whole team, just his COACH!!

[Buccs99]

Originally Posted by SimmsTheAnswer

that's one take on what i just said. a more intelligent take would be that clayton is working hard, as we've all seen this preseason, and heard in prior interviews, but doesn't want to cause any chaos (see: the opposite of keyshawn). of course he wants to be a #1, all nfl palyers do. there's not a single player in the nfl that doesn't want to be the best at his position. no one sits there and says "hey, i'm happy being a backup, i never want to start". you must be an idiot to think that a player with the fire that clayton has would just be content to sit and catch the occasional ball. if you knew anything about him, or the bucs, you'd know that he's just being a good teamate, a good person. it's not his place to speak to the media about his playing time, i would be willing to bet money that he's spoken to gruden about it though. doing things the right way apaprently is not what you want, though. you want some loudmouth, look at me, media hog of a player that complains about everything publicly. no wonder you love keyshawn so much.

Thats what he said in the interview ? And the fire ? he was known for being a lazy worker, hell gruden made him sign a personal contract to work his *** off. Sounds like he isnt doing it.

Look at the best receivers in football. They all call for the ball. T.O. did it, Keyshawn did it, Steve Smith does it, hell even marvin harrison was complaining.

[SimmsTheAnswer]

Originally Posted by wikkedbucschic

So you are saying that when you are unhappy with something you ask someone else to fix it for you? Respect is earned not owed..

i have no idea where you are getting "ask someone else to fix it" from. i simply said that it's not clayton's place to call out his teammates publicly. if he wants to do it in the locker room, that's fine. but he's just not respected enough to do it publicly.

[SimmsTheAnswer]

Originally Posted by Buccs99

Thats what he said in the interview ? And the fire ? he was known for being a lazy worker, hell gruden made him sign a personal contract to work his *** off. Sounds like he isnt doing it.

Look at the best receivers in football. They all call for the ball. T.O. did it, Keyshawn did it, Steve Smith does it, hell even marvin harrison was complaining.

you're comparing apples and oranges here. yes they all call for the ball, but for different reasons.

TO/Keyshawn: stat players, willing to throw anyone under the bus to get what they want, whether that be coach, qb, other players

Smith/Harrison: team players, only want the ball b/c they feel getting them the ball more would help the team win.

i can't believe you even put harrison in that sentence, dude's one of the classiest players ever to play the game.

[Buccs99]

Originally Posted by SimmsTheAnswer

you're comparing apples and oranges here. yes they all call for the ball, but for different reasons.

TO/Keyshawn: stat players, willing to throw anyone under the bus to get what they want, whether that be coach, qb, other players

Smith/Harrison: team players, only want the ball b/c they feel getting them the ball more would help the team win.

i can't believe you even put harrison in that sentence, dude's one of the classiest players ever to play the game.

So T.O. and Keyshawn do it only for themselves ? Find me a quote that says that.

He might be the classiest guy in the game but guess what ? He complained about not getting the ball when they are destroying the eagles. See the thread in off-topic about it.