Rumors on McNabb becoming a BUC

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Because if he is, but there is even a doubt in his mind that he isn't (and we're not reading minds here, just tea leaves), that's not good.

There are also rumors floating and growing stronger from around that league that Minnesota and Tampa Bay could be landing spots in either a trade for McNabb or as a free-agent destination for Garcia.
The Vikings, who turned to rookie Tarvaris Jackson by the end of the season, make sense because former Eagles offensive coordinator Brad Childress is now the head coach and a big McNabb fan, and former Syracuse assistant Kevin Rogers is Minnesota's quarterbacks coach.

Tampa Bay, under head coach Jon Gruden, also could use a quarterback and either McNabb or Gar cia would fit well in the Bucs' offense.

Chris Simms, coming off an in jury, signed a new deal late last season, and the other quarterbacks on the Bucs' roster include Tim Rattay, Bruce Gradkowski and Luke McCown.

Gruden and McNabb go back to the 1999 Senior Bowl, in which Gruden coached McNabb's squad. Reid has often pointed to that week in Mobile, Ala., that let him know McNabb was the right man for his offense.

Garcia, who will be an unrestricted free agent come March, also could be a fit for the Bucs since Gruden has shown he can win with older, veteran quarterbacks. See Gannon, Rich, and Johnson, Brad.

Would the Eagles really trade McNabb?

Unlikely, since they would not get true value for him since he is coming off the injury, and the salary cap hit they would absorb is $3.8 million.

Tampa has either the No. 3 or No. 4 pick in the draft (depending on a coin flip with Cleveland). It's doubtful the Bucs would give that up. Minnesota has the No. 7 overall pick in the first round. Again, that's a pretty good pick.

[Gooshdawg]

You guys are giving up on Brett Favre and Jerry Garcia already?
I was getting a chuckle out of seeing the All Geriatric team in the making. Seriously though I doubt the Eagles would keep Garcia over McNabb. McNabb is young enough still and if the Eagles kept Garcia and not McPick they would have to start over with a new QB in a year or two. It doesnt make sense.

[Buccs99]

I would rather keep Simms. I have a lot of respect for McNabb but knee injuries like that are a risk. Dont know if we are going to get the same player back.

Duante Culpepper or Carson Palmer ? Not real sure what you would get.

[HighOnMtZion]

Originally Posted by Buccs99

I would rather keep Simms. I have a lot of respect for McNabb but knee injuries like that are a risk. Dont know if we are going to get the same player back.

Duante Culpepper or Carson Palmer ? Not real sure what you would get.

Culpepper sucked before the knee injury, with him your talking post moss not post knee injury. Palmers a great example of a years recovery.....he played relatively tentative for the first couple months then got comfortable and returned to his previous form.

as for rather keeping simms i guess youd prefer taco bell meat to a nice angus steak too

[NYCbucfan2003]

I personally wish we could end up drafting Demarcus Russel , guy is a beast he is 6'6 and over 220 pounds. He reminds me of a bigger and stronger and more accurate Duante Cullpepper, however Raiders will probably end up getting him..

Originally Posted by Buccs99

I would rather keep Simms. I have a lot of respect for McNabb but knee injuries like that are a risk. Dont know if we are going to get the same player back.

Duante Culpepper or Carson Palmer ? Not real sure what you would get.

McNabb was having a great year before the injury, though he hasn't had an injury free season since NEVER. I would prefer him over Garcia though. McNabb has seven to eight good years left in him, if he stays injury free. If for some reason McNabb is traded to the Bucs, we should pick up JT in April's draft. Solid O-line = Healthy McNabb ! I'm Reaching ! !

[Buccs99]

Originally Posted by HighOnMtZion

Culpepper sucked before the knee injury, with him your talking post moss not post knee injury. Palmers a great example of a years recovery.....he played relatively tentative for the first couple months then got comfortable and returned to his previous form.

as for rather keeping simms i guess youd prefer taco bell meat to a nice angus steak too

I wasnt talking about qb performance on the culpepper/palmer analogy. Im talking about recovery. that was the whole point of my post. Culpepper didnt bounce back and he missed the year. Palmer was back in 8 months, not a year.

With that saying, I would rather keep simms, who is going to be ready come next year, over Mcnabb. Mcnabb will come at a very expensive price and he could possibly have reoccuring injuries on that knee. That type of price better pay off. Something that relates to the culpepper/palmer analogy.

Originally Posted by NYCbucfan2003

I personally wish we could end up drafting Demarcus Russel , guy is a beast he is 6'6 and over 220 pounds. He reminds me of a bigger and stronger and more accurate Duante Cullpepper, however Raiders will probably end up getting him..

I love JaMarcus as well. Only thing is I dont see Gruden picking him up, Gruden is notorious for drafting players he coached in the Senior Bowl.
He would have to really do some crazy things at the combine with Gruden watching. Sorry, this is not the College/Draft forum......back to the topic

[HighOnMtZion]

Originally Posted by Buccs99

I wasnt talking about qb performance on the culpepper/palmer analogy. Im talking about recovery. that was the whole point of my post. Culpepper didnt bounce back and he missed the year. Palmer was back in 8 months, not a year.

With that saying, I would rather keep simms, who is going to be ready come next year, over Mcnabb. Mcnabb will come at a very expensive price and he could possibly have reoccuring injuries on that knee. That type of price better pay off. Something that relates to the culpepper/palmer analogy.

culpeppers was acl/mcl/pcl/ tear while palmer was just an mcl i believe maybe acl. and we would still keep simms so your point makes no sense.

[Buccs99]

Originally Posted by HighOnMtZion

culpeppers was acl/mcl/pcl/ tear while palmer was just an mcl i believe maybe acl. and we would still keep simms so your point makes no sense.

palmers was a acl and mcl tear just as great as culpeppers. They said his knee would almost been non existant if it wasnt for the brace he was wearing. either way, they are devastating knee injuries that could change the play of a player mentally and physically.

we would still keep simms, of course, but i would rather keep him as our starter and bump rattay up to second and grad/mccown at third, instead of bringing in mcnabb and having simms as a 13million dollar backup. That makes no sense, unless you trade simms and in that case.......I would keep simms over mcnabb. mcnabb might be a better QB but i would take my chances with simms.

[no1bucsfan29]

Originally Posted by Buccs99

palmers was a acl and mcl tear just as great as culpeppers. They said his knee would almost been non existant if it wasnt for the brace he was wearing. either way, they are devastating knee injuries that could change the play of a player mentally and physically.

we would still keep simms, of course, but i would rather keep him as our starter and bump rattay up to second and grad/mccown at third, instead of bringing in mcnabb and having simms as a 13million dollar backup. That makes no sense, unless you trade simms and in that case.......I would keep simms over mcnabb. mcnabb might be a better QB but i would take my chances with simms.

Yeah, I can definitely understand wanting to keep a guy that has shown he loves throwing to the other team so much he smiles after doing it, rather than a QB that can not only find the recievers on his own team, but can actually get the pass past the line of scrimmage.

[Da Bucs GM]

Originally Posted by NYCbucfan2003

I personally wish we could end up drafting Demarcus Russel , guy is a beast he is 6'6 and over 220 pounds. He reminds me of a bigger and stronger and more accurate Duante Cullpepper, however Raiders will probably end up getting him..

I call dibbs

[Buccs99]

Originally Posted by no1bucsfan29

Yeah, I can definitely understand wanting to keep a guy that has shown he loves throwing to the other team so much he smiles after doing it, rather than a QB that can not only find the recievers on his own team, but can actually get the pass past the line of scrimmage.

I would rather keep a healthy QB that is still young and hasnt played a full season on a 2 year contract and a bad team around him than....

Mcnabb, for about 40-50 million dollars, on a possibly bad leg, that is inconsistant, and hasnt played a full season in about 3 years. also around a bad team.


I dont look at what the statistics say. I look at whats best for the team. Chris simms is the better fit RIGHT NOW than Mcnabb.

[no1bucsfan29]

Originally Posted by Buccs99

I would rather keep a healthy QB that is still young and hasnt played a full season on a 2 year contract and a bad team around him than....

Mcnabb, for about 40-50 million dollars, on a possibly bad leg, that is inconsistant, and hasnt played a full season in about 3 years. also around a bad team.


I dont look at what the statistics say. I look at whats best for the team. Chris simms is the better fit RIGHT NOW than Mcnabb.

healthy QB? Where? When has Simms shown he can stay healthy? He's built like a bird. A small bird.

EDIT* show me ANY stat or link of any kind that shows Simms is better for the bucs than Mcnabb would be.

Originally Posted by Buccs99

palmers was a acl and mcl tear just as great as culpeppers. They said his knee would almost been non existant if it wasnt for the brace he was wearing. either way, they are devastating knee injuries that could change the play of a player mentally and physically.

we would still keep simms, of course, but i would rather keep him as our starter and bump rattay up to second and grad/mccown at third, instead of bringing in mcnabb and having simms as a 13million dollar backup. That makes no sense, unless you trade simms and in that case.......I would keep simms over mcnabb. mcnabb might be a better QB but i would take my chances with simms.

Buccs99 makes perfect sense. Carson had anterior cruciate and medial collateral ligaments as well as cartilage and meniscus damage. Culpepper tore the same including the PCL, Buccs99 is correct both are equally the same injuries. Carson was more resilient ! !

[UMiamiBucFan]

I'd happily trade for McNabb. Be nice to have a great QB...

[no1bucsfan29]

Originally Posted by UMiamiBucFan

I'd happily trade for McNabb. Be nice to have a great QB...

It would be nice to have an average qb for a change.

[Buccs99]

Originally Posted by no1bucsfan29

healthy QB? Where? When has Simms shown he can stay healthy? He's built like a bird. A small bird.

EDIT* show me ANY stat or link of any kind that shows Simms is better for the bucs than Mcnabb would be.

you're right, he is built like a 15 year old. But what happen to him was a fluke injury. He will be 100% going into camp. McNabb wont. McNabb is coming off of SERIOUS knee injury. one that can mentally and still physically bother a player.

[Buccs99]

Originally Posted by no1bucsfan29

EDIT* show me ANY stat or link of any kind that shows Simms is better for the bucs than Mcnabb would be.

refer to the post above yours.

I would rather go with simms and build around him than blow 50 mil. on a qb and have nothing to build around him.

[bluesquid]

My buddy is a cowboys fan. SoI watched the thanksgiving massacre, and the eagles demolish the cowboys later. I have never seen a game played as close to perfection, as garcia played that day.

I say get him signed to a two year contract. start him, and let him tutor gradkowski, and rattay. they could both be pretty good Qb's

I know I might take some heat for this, but simms is a bust. He turns the ball over way tooo much. This league is so even, turnovers decide games. we all know simms is good for at least one a game. He is too polished, lacks creativity, and is lackadaisical. with our never ending woes on the O line. we cant play him.

[no1bucsfan29]

Originally Posted by Buccs99

you're right, he is built like a 15 year old. But what happen to him was a fluke injury. He will be 100% going into camp. McNabb wont. McNabb is coming off of SERIOUS knee injury. one that can mentally and still physically bother a player.

This time was a fluke injury. What about the other injuries? Were thos fluke injuries too? in 4 yrs he hasn't learned to get rid of the ball, it's obvious he never will, which means he will continue to take those hits, and continue to get hurt.

[Buccs99]

Originally Posted by UMiamiBucFan

I'd happily trade for McNabb. Be nice to have a great QB...

I dont consider him a great QB. He is good, I have more respect for him than anyone in the game next to favre, but i dont consider him a "great" qb yet.

[PHILLY04]

Yeah and I heard there is a chance the Bears will trade Urlacher to the Bucs for Brooks. The Chargers will trade straight up LT for Cadillac and Bengals trade Ocho Cinco for Clayton. Man you guys will be stacked next year.............................


Come on Man

[no1bucsfan29]

Originally Posted by PHILLY04

Yeah and I heard there is a chance the Bears will trade Urlacher to the Bucs for Brooks. The Chargers will trade straight up LT for Cadillac and Bengals trade Ocho Cinco for Clayton. Man you guys will be stacked next year.............................


Come on Man

No ocho sinco, we are trying to get rid of the thugs, not bring them in.

[Buccs99]

Originally Posted by no1bucsfan29

This time was a fluke injury. What about the other injuries? Were thos fluke injuries too? in 4 yrs he hasn't learned to get rid of the ball, it's obvious he never will, which means he will continue to take those hits, and continue to get hurt.

the vicious hits he took in that carolina game was a hit that was after a throw and the other was him diving into the endzone for a TD. Not exactly what I would call him getting beat up. The youngest line in football, you are going to take hits. His other injuries were a knee injury when he was backing up brad johnson, which paved way for griese and his other injury was a nagging thumb injury on his throwing hand when he took over for griese. You can say the same for mcnabb. over the last two years he has sports hernia and a serious knee injury.

Do you want to put a 50 million dollar qb behind the youngest line in football with no targets to throw to other than galloway ? Because if we pluck mcnabb away, im sure we would have to give up our 1st round pick and I dont want to part ways with that.

I would rather keep simms, keep our #1, and build around our team than trade our #1 and blow our salary cap up with mcnabb.

[Buccs99]

Originally Posted by no1bucsfan29

No ocho sinco, we are trying to get rid of the thugs, not bring them in.

Thug ? When has he ever come off as a thug ? just because he has gold teeth and is very vocal about his play, doesnt make him a thug.

[UMiamiBucFan]

Originally Posted by Buccs99

I dont consider him a great QB. He is good, I have more respect for him than anyone in the game next to favre, but i dont consider him a "great" qb yet.

After watching Bucs QBs for the last 10 years, McNabb looks like a Hall of Famer. He was on an MVP type season this year before he got injured.

[UMiamiBucFan]

Originally Posted by no1bucsfan29

No ocho sinco, we are trying to get rid of the thugs, not bring them in.

This coming from the guy that wants Jared Allen?

[no1bucsfan29]

Originally Posted by Buccs99

the vicious hits he took in that carolina game was a hit that was after a throw and the other was him diving into the endzone for a TD. Not exactly what I would call him getting beat up. The youngest line in football, you are going to take hits. His other injuries were a knee injury when he was backing up brad johnson, which paved way for griese and his other injury was a nagging thumb injury on his throwing hand when he took over for griese. You can say the same for mcnabb. over the last two years he has sports hernia and a serious knee injury.

Do you want to put a 50 million dollar qb behind the youngest line in football with no targets to throw to other than galloway ? Because if we pluck mcnabb away, im sure we would have to give up our 1st round pick and I dont want to part ways with that.

I would rather keep simms, keep our #1, and build around our team than trade our #1 and blow our salary cap up with mcnabb.

As was said above, thanks to the injury history, no one would give a first for mcnabb. no worry there.

All of those injuries you listed, and none of them needed to happen. Again, look at the hits he takes on the field, most of which are from him holding the ball too long, it's the same reason he gets so many passes knock back at him, he holds the ball too long, allowing the defense to set up and knock down the pass, the same reson he throws so many int's. He holds the ball too long, allowing the secondary to see where he is watching and set up the pick.

Simms simply holds the ball to long. he always has, and always will.

[no1bucsfan29]

Originally Posted by Buccs99

Thug ? When has he ever come off as a thug ? just because he has gold teeth and is very vocal about his play, doesnt make him a thug.

Apparently I should have used blue so that certain slower members of the board would catch on...