Jeff Garcia Talk

[Slash]

From what's being said, the Raiders and Garcia have run into an impasse. I would love to see Jeff Garcia come to Tampa and frankly don't understand why the Eagles are still sticking with Donovan McNabb. McNabb has to be the new Peyton Manning of the league - all the hype and all the potential, but no ring. He doesn't seem to be the answer for the Eagles and I'm wondering how much longer he'll be given the chance to lead that team to a SB victory.

Anyway, Garcia would be a perfect fit for Gruden's style of offense and there'd be no excuses if we didn't get into the playoffs with Garcia, as long as our D gets some FA or draft help.

By the way, wasn't Garcia already a Buc?

[tampabayfan]

Peyton has a ring

Garica would look good in Pewter-- its nice to see he rooted for us in the SB.

[Slash]

Yea, I was implying pre-superbowl Peyton Manning, everyone was down his throat for not getting there faster and beating the Patriots. He had so much pressure on him to not just win, but win a SB to validate his legacy. McNabb has that same monkey on his back.

Originally Posted by tampabayfan

Peyton has a ring

Garica would look good in Pewter-- its nice to see he rooted for us in the SB.

[John Doe]

Jeff Garcia is 37 years old.

[Slash]

Did you see what he did last year? If he was 2-3 years removed from that type of performance, his age would have made more of a difference. But, I doubt he's all of a sudden got a walking cane since the end of last season. Ofcourse, he's a short-term solution, but that's exactly what Gruden will need if he intends to keep his job here. Do you have any other options that can make an immediate impact that's available in FA??? I doubt it.

[BucsLJohnson34]

Originally Posted by Slash

Did you see what he did last year? If he was 2-3 years removed from that type of performance, his age would have made more of a difference. But, I doubt he's all of a sudden got a walking cane since the end of last season. Ofcourse, he's a short-term solution, but that's exactly what Gruden will need if he intends to keep his job here. Do you have any other options that can make an immediate impact that's available in FA??? I doubt it.

If you are saying that, Jeff Garcia struggled for two seasons in Cleveland and Detroit. He was booted out of San Fransisco because of T.O. and look what he has done. He was a pro-bowler at one time but look at what McNabb did at the beginning of last season. The team was talented, I'm sure Feely could have done the same thing.

By the way, wasn't Garcia already a Buc?

OMG, that is uncanny!

[John Doe]

Originally Posted by Slash

Did you see what he did last year? If he was 2-3 years removed from that type of performance, his age would have made more of a difference. But, I doubt he's all of a sudden got a walking cane since the end of last season. Ofcourse, he's a short-term solution, but that's exactly what Gruden will need if he intends to keep his job here. Do you have any other options that can make an immediate impact that's available in FA??? I doubt it.

Do you remember what happened the last time he got paid good money in free agency to be another team's starting QB? He played like crap, got benched halfway through the season and was out the door by the time next year's free agency period rolled around.

Regardless of his age, I think Garcia is the kind of guy that thrives on being the underdog. On the teams where he has had success (49ers and Eagles), he wasn't originally brought in with high expectations. When he comes in with the expectation of doing something, he falls flat on his face (Browns and Lions).

I still think it would be insane to bring in a 37 year old QB to start for this team. Do you just want us to stay in the gutter of the NFL for as long as possible?

As far as our QB situation goes, I think the best potential solutions would be to negotiate a trade for David Carr or draft Brady Quinn. I thought the Plummer trade was a great move until it unfortunately fell through at the last minute.

[Slash]

The Browns and Lions don't really count as NFL teams. LOL. Not yet anyways. Garcia is more of a system QB than a "need motivation" QB. He'll be fine in our offense. He knows how to handle the WCO.

I'm really trying to be more realistic than logical. Gruden will get someone who can come in and win immediately to save his job. Quinn is unproven in the NFL and will take at least 2 years before he can lead a team. And David Carr and Jake Plummer have both been under-achievers. With Carr being a bust. He's a Joey Harrington type, actually so is Plummer, both very VERY inconsistent. I used to be a big fan of Plummer's when he was with the Cardinals. But, he just hasn't lived up to the billing. And he's had all the opportunity. I like Carr's toughness, but in the end winning matters. Being able to carry a team on your back matters a la Vince Young and Garcia's performance last year. Garcia gives this team the ability to make a run for the playoffs this year.

[John Doe]

Originally Posted by Slash

The Browns and Lions don't really count as NFL teams. LOL. Not yet anyways. Garcia is more of a system QB than a "need motivation" QB. He'll be fine in our offense. He knows how to handle the WCO.

I'm really trying to be more realistic than logical. Gruden will get someone who can come in and win immediately to save his job. Quinn is unproven in the NFL and will take at least 2 years before he can lead a team. And David Carr and Jake Plummer have both been under-achievers. With Carr being a bust. He's a Joey Harrington type, actually so is Plummer, both very VERY inconsistent. I used to be a big fan of Plummer's when he was with the Cardinals. But, he just hasn't lived up to the billing. And he's had all the opportunity. I like Carr's toughness, but in the end winning matters. Being able to carry a team on your back matters a la Vince Young and Garcia's performance last year. Garcia gives this team the ability to make a run for the playoffs this year.

So, you don't like David Carr, Jake Plummer or Brady Quinn.

And apparently a 37 year old QB that has played about half of a season's worth of good football in the last 4 years is your pick as the best option for the Bucs right now.

I'm now convinced that you either know nothing about football or you want the Bucs to be a losing team for as long as possible.

[Slash]

Your opinion is your opinion, there's no need to take shots at how much "knowledge" anyone has. Carr and Plummer just suck in my opinion. Garcia is the only viable short-term solution. I think you're looking too much into age and missing my point all together. I'm talking about winning now, not 2 years from now with a franchise QB. Quinn might be a great QB, but just not right away. Don't read between the lines. I'm making my point pretty clearly. If you think Carr and Plummer are solutions to our QB position, can you explain why? And not because you "think" they can win but with actual proof. Garcia at least has done that with 2 WCO teams. Hmmm, I wonder what else you could ask for.

Originally Posted by John Doe

So, you don't like David Carr, Jake Plummer or Brady Quinn.

And apparently a 37 year old QB that has played about half of a season's worth of good football in the last 4 years is your pick as the best option for the Bucs right now.

I'm now convinced that you either know nothing about football or you want the Bucs to be a losing team for as long as possible.

[buctildeath]

Garcia is good when he has good talant around him. We have plenty of talent and I believe he will thrive in our system. He said he believes Jon Gruden can bring the best out in him, and out of anywhere he would rather play in Tampa.

If a guy that is one of the hot topics in free agency said he wants to play here and thinks he will go well with our coach. Then please bring him in.. Forget that bum Plummer.. As inconsistant as he is and he is.. now going to say that he s going to retire, due to not having a gauranteed starting job here in Tampa.

[BucsLJohnson34]

I'd say that Carr is a good QB. He didn't have a line in Houston, however, most of you would argue that he wouldn't have one here. Carr is a good fit. He did have some success when he wasn't on his back. Carr had great success with Andre Johnson and if we get CJ, look for CJ and Clayton/Galloway to become one of the best tandoms.

[Slash]

By the way, I think it's fairlly well known that Gruden prefers veteran QB's to rookie ones. That's why he wanted Plummer, although that would have set this team back 3-4 years with a crappy QB. I actually don't understand the interest in Plummer unless it was strictly because we could have gotten him for a 4th round draft pick without a trade. Garcia will fit this team better because he's a mobile QB.

Originally Posted by John Doe

So, you don't like David Carr, Jake Plummer or Brady Quinn.

And apparently a 37 year old QB that has played about half of a season's worth of good football in the last 4 years is your pick as the best option for the Bucs right now.

I'm now convinced that you either know nothing about football or you want the Bucs to be a losing team for as long as possible.

[BucsLJohnson34]

Originally Posted by Slash

From what's being said, the Raiders and Garcia have run into an impasse. I would love to see Jeff Garcia come to Tampa and frankly don't understand why the Eagles are still sticking with Donovan McNabb. McNabb has to be the new Peyton Manning of the league - all the hype and all the potential, but no ring. He doesn't seem to be the answer for the Eagles and I'm wondering how much longer he'll be given the chance to lead that team to a SB victory.

Anyway, Garcia would be a perfect fit for Gruden's style of offense and there'd be no excuses if we didn't get into the playoffs with Garcia, as long as our D gets some FA or draft help.

By the way, wasn't Garcia already a Buc?

Do you find it odd that Jeff Garcia is wearing a Shaun King jersey in that? I do.

[navybuc81]

Originally Posted by John Doe

Jeff Garcia is 37 years old.

Wasn't Rich Gannon 37 when he won MVP?

[QuebecBuccsFan]

Originally Posted by BucsLJohnson34

Do you find it odd that Jeff Garcia is wearing a Shaun King jersey in that? I do.

Maybe it's an Alstott jersey

[real bucs fan]

At second glance it is definately a Alstott jersey....

[real bucs fan]

Anyways I would almost prefer Robert Meachum later in the 1st...

ughh

Originally Posted by Slash

From what's being said, the Raiders and Garcia have run into an impasse. I would love to see Jeff Garcia come to Tampa and frankly don't understand why the Eagles are still sticking with Donovan McNabb. McNabb has to be the new Peyton Manning of the league - all the hype and all the potential, but no ring. He doesn't seem to be the answer for the Eagles and I'm wondering how much longer he'll be given the chance to lead that team to a SB victory.

Anyway, Garcia would be a perfect fit for Gruden's style of offense and there'd be no excuses if we didn't get into the playoffs with Garcia, as long as our D gets some FA or draft help.

By the way, wasn't Garcia already a Buc?

Originally Posted by real bucs fan

At second glance it is definately a Alstott jersey....

First of all, yup it's an Alstott Jersey, follow the top left corner of the first number and you'll notice it slides at an angle and not vertical like a "1" would. so definetly, Garcia is wearing an Alstott Jersey...

The look of the Raiders fan next to Garcia looks just priceless. Nice to see that even tho the Bucs did knock off the 49ers en route to the Superbowl victory, Garcia still had the sportsmanship to root for us in the Superbowl.

[John Doe]

Originally Posted by Slash

Your opinion is your opinion, there's no need to take shots at how much "knowledge" anyone has. Carr and Plummer just suck in my opinion. Garcia is the only viable short-term solution. I think you're looking too much into age and missing my point all together. I'm talking about winning now, not 2 years from now with a franchise QB. Quinn might be a great QB, but just not right away. Don't read between the lines. I'm making my point pretty clearly. If you think Carr and Plummer are solutions to our QB position, can you explain why? And not because you "think" they can win but with actual proof. Garcia at least has done that with 2 WCO teams. Hmmm, I wonder what else you could ask for.

Well, there is a lot I could ask for.

For example, I could ask to not potentially have the oldest starting QB in the NFL. I could ask why we would put so much stock into a guy that performed poorly and was released from 2 out of the last 3 teams he has played for. And I could ask why he burnt the Bucs 3 years ago for more money when he had a verbal agreement to play here.

Since Plummer is out of the question at this point, and there is a forum specifically for draft talk (don't want to get too off topic here), I'll focus on why Carr would be a much better signing than Garcia.

First of all, Carr is 28 years old, as opposed to 37. He has much better size than Garcia and is just as mobile. Even though he has played on an expansion team for the last 5 years with no offensive line, no running game and one reliable receiving target, he has put up decent numbers given the circumstances. He's completed over 60% of his passes and hasn't missed a game in the last 3 years. He has a stronger arm than Garcia. And he was the 1st overall pick in the draft coming out of college.

But according to you, he sucks and Garcia is good.

Originally Posted by Slash

By the way, I think it's fairlly well known that Gruden prefers veteran QB's to rookie ones. That's why he wanted Plummer, although that would have set this team back 3-4 years with a crappy QB. I actually don't understand the interest in Plummer unless it was strictly because we could have gotten him for a 4th round draft pick without a trade. Garcia will fit this team better because he's a mobile QB.

Carr is no rookie. He has 75 NFL starts, which is actually only 17 shy of Garcia's 92.

Having to replace Garcia in a year or two when he retires is what will really set us back. Our team has holes everywhere and will take at least a year or two to get back into playoff form, at which point your choice as the starting QB will be about ready to retire.

Originally Posted by navybuc81

Wasn't Rich Gannon 37 when he won MVP?

Yes, he was 37 and in his 4th year in the same offense on a solid playoff-caliber team with a great offensive line, a good running game and two future hall of famers catching his passes. Actually, the Raiders made it to the Super Bowl that year.

You aren't suggesting Garcia is going to come in here and in his 1st year lead us to the Super Bowl and win the NFL MVP award, are you?

[TB-owns-ATL]

I just read that Tampa Bay is still interested in Garcia.

http://www.tboblogs.com/index.php/sports/related/C546/

[BucPride2003]

Originally Posted by John Doe

Jeff Garcia is 37 years old.

Thank you, because as we all know, age and production are in direct proportion of one another. Wait...

Garcia, at the very least, would guarantee us stability at the QB position for the next season or two while we get more young talent in here and grab a quarterback of the future. Seems like a perfect fit here and I'd be thrilled at his signing.

I think something is being overlooked here. If Garcia is picked up, he still has to come in and win the starting job to play. Until then Chris Simms is the starting QB.

All in all Garcia is the best option for this team at this time. He will catch on quickly to the offensive scheme, whereas a David Carr would probably take the entire year to be able to come in and be effective. Jeff will be able to push Chris Simms in the off season and pre season to be better or lose his starting job. If Garcia does not get the starting nod, I would much rather he be the guy coming off the bench than any of the other free agent options out there.

Young QBs like Simms, Gradkowski and McKown can only become better with a veteran WCO QB like Garcia around as a mentor.

There are certainly more positives than negatives to bringing the guy in. So if we can get him... Im all for it.

I also think Garcia would be a great fit. Along with everything else positive being said, I think Simms would benefit greatly competing with Garcia and picking up on the small things that make Garcia successful. Also, a GREAT shot of Garcia at the Super Bowl giving it to Rice.

[nhbucsfan]

The thing we have to remember is Garcia hasn't played 16 games since 2002.
I'm not saying he won't play a full season, but the backup better be ready.

[76davepear]

Word I just got was that Garcia is now a Buc.

[buckhead]

There's a reason the Bucs will pay a few shekels more for Garcia than Oakland. They want to force Davis/Kiffin to draft a QB number one so they don't grab CJ. Get it ????

[Miller4Prez64]

Originally Posted by 76davepear

Word I just got was that Garcia is now a Buc.

What word??? Please let this be true....

Originally Posted by 76davepear

Word I just got was that Garcia is now a Buc.

Do tell