Culpepper's thought concerning the Super Bowl season...

Brad Culpepper said the following for PR

"That’s the nature of the business. Jon’s been here and he’s won a Super Bowl. People need to quit giving Tony Dungy credit for that team. I love Tony. Would he have eventually won a Super Bowl here? Maybe, but he didn’t. He won one in Indy. He didn’t win it with the Bucs. He just didn’t. I give 100 percent of the credit to Jon Gruden. He took whomever he took, however that team was built – and I think Rich McKay deserves some credit too, because he was the G.M. – and won it"

Very well said IMO!!

[Hobbes]

way to bring new thoughts and opinions to the message board.

[Corsair]

This subject is tired.

I don't care who said it, Brad Culpepper, Brad Johnson, hell Tony Dungy himself.

You aren't going to change anyone's opinion.

[tampabayfan]

That would be great to argue with if it were 2003. I dont think anyone really cares anymore if we won with 53 space aliens and Porky as the GM. We have the trophy and Dungy has his trophy up in Indy. Discussion is long done overwith.

[Legacy]

Originally Posted by tampabayfan

That would be great to argue with if it were 2003. I dont think anyone really cares anymore if we won with 53 space aliens and Porky as the GM. We have the trophy and Dungy has his trophy up in Indy. Discussion is long done overwith.

I agree. This discussion has been beaten to death so many times.

[no1bucsfan29]

Cullpepper just hates Dungy because he dropped him.

[KiffininCanton]

That's true, Brad would know, he was on that Super Bowl team................... o wait

[FEDCOP]

Originally Posted by Steiner69eR

Brad Culpepper said the following for PR

"That’s the nature of the business. Jon’s been here and he’s won a Super Bowl. People need to quit giving Tony Dungy credit for that team. I love Tony. Would he have eventually won a Super Bowl here? Maybe, but he didn’t. He won one in Indy. He didn’t win it with the Bucs. He just didn’t. I give 100 percent of the credit to Jon Gruden. He took whomever he took, however that team was built – and I think Rich McKay deserves some credit too, because he was the G.M. – and won it"

Very well said IMO!!

Great Point Steiner!

[KiffininCanton]

Originally Posted by FEDCOP

Great Point Steiner!

I love how the Gruden supporters are rallying around a statement made by a guy who wasn't even on the team he was commenting about.

[Corsair]

Originally Posted by FEDCOP

Great Point Steiner!

What point exactly did Steiner make?

[cee]

dungy has the same amount of super bowls as gruden....











.... without the multiple losing seasons

[KiffininCanton]

Originally Posted by cee

dungy has the same amount of super bowls as gruden....











.... without the multiple losing seasons

So true, Gruden's coached two less seasons but has two more losing losing seasons. Gruden has twice as many losing seasons in the last 3 years as Dungy has had in his whole career.

[Corsair]

Living in the past, party of one. Cee, your table is ready.

Was it any wonder that the incumbent troll decided to drop by?


It's funny. I'm in complete support for replacing Gruden. I would be inclined to agree with the general concept of cee's quips. But he really is damn annoying and unintelligent. I wonder if other people agree with me?

[maryjanewatson]

Originally Posted by Steiner69eR

Brad Culpepper said the following for PR

"That’s the nature of the business. Jon’s been here and he’s won a Super Bowl. People need to quit giving Tony Dungy credit for that team. I love Tony. Would he have eventually won a Super Bowl here? Maybe, but he didn’t. He won one in Indy. He didn’t win it with the Bucs. He just didn’t. I give 100 percent of the credit to Jon Gruden. He took whomever he took, however that team was built – and I think Rich McKay deserves some credit too, because he was the G.M. – and won it"

Very well said IMO!!

I hate to support this tripe by giving it a bump.

It's been noted that Brad Culpepper has had a real animosity towards Dungy because Dungy dropped his behind before the 2001 season.

Also, since Brad Culpepper never, you know, played for Gruden's Buccaneers, he's talking out of that same behind.

Finally, I have no idea why anyone cares about anything he has to say. He hasn't played football in six years and he's currently a scummy, ambulance chasing lawyer.

[CaddilacTD24]

LMAO..... I find it funny that in 2002, you actually had Grudens Former team(Which he built on his own) Againts the Dungy's Team ( Which he built) in in the Super bowl. Kind of ironic that the Dungy's built up team beat Grudens Oakland built up team.

[Supreme_Bucs]

Originally Posted by FEDCOP

Great Point Steiner!

What, are you kidding me???? Where have you been the last uhhh 3 years????

once again, cue the dead horse pic.

Does Brad have a ring?

[Capt Morgan]

Originally Posted by TheChronic

Does Brad have a ring?

several, to go with his 1000 pairs of gators and 2000 tacky suits..

however, none of them were awarded via the NFL...

[valis]

Originally Posted by Corsair

Living in the past, party of one. Cee, your table is ready.

Was it any wonder that the incumbent troll decided to drop by?


It's funny. I'm in complete support for replacing Gruden. I would be inclined to agree with the general concept of cee's quips. But he really is damn annoying and unintelligent. I wonder if other people agree with me?

Yes, I said that in another thread. I am willing to give Gruden the benefit of the doubt since this is his last season if he doesn't win. But I am in no way sold on Gruden. But the mindless, knee jerk hatred of everything he does, by some of the people on this board, has made me more likely to side with Gruden.

Plus the subject is deader than dead. Gruden is here for this season, like it or not. If I lived through two seasons of Richard Williamson I guess I can live through one more of Jon Gruden. Plus I want to see the Bucs win, and that means Gruden wins, so I guess I have to root for Gruden, since I don't own the team and I can't fire him.

Plus I feel like after all the years of losing we kind of owe something to the guy who brought us a super bowl win. No, not Gruden, Malcomn Glazer. Before he came along a superbowl was nothing but an unreachable fantasy for Bucs fans. So I guess if he wants to stick with Gruden one more season, for business or other reasons, I'll respect his decision.

[KiffininCanton]

Originally Posted by valis

But the mindless, knee jerk hatred of everything he does, by some of the people on this board, has made me more likely to side with Gruden.

So in trying to determine if Gruden is a good coach or not and how responsible for the Super Bowl he is, you use people on a message board "hatred" for him as a determining factor? Quite a intellect you are.

[bcf1968]

Originally Posted by cee

dungy has the same amount of super bowls as gruden....


.... without the multiple losing seasons

Are you even a FAN of this team? If so, WHY?

Here I'll help you be a happier person

http://colts.com
http://atlantafalcons.com

Now please leave.

[no1bucsfan29]

So if you don't like the coach, you aren't a fan of the Bucs?

[bcf1968]

Originally Posted by no1bucsfan29

So if you don't like the coach, you aren't a fan of the Bucs?

No. But if you want Gruden gone and you know the only way that happens is if the Bucs have a bad season, then are are basically rooting for the Bucs to have a bad season. Anyone that roots for their team to lose in NOT a fan. PERIOD.

[no1bucsfan29]

Originally Posted by bcf1968

No. But if you want Gruden gone and you know the only way that happens is if the Bucs have a bad season, then are are basically rooting for the Bucs to have a bad season. Anyone that roots for their team to lose in NOT a fan. PERIOD.

Ok, now THAT I agree with.

[Grand Pa Buc]

Dungy won his SB with Peyton Manning.

Gruden won his SB with Brad Johnson.

I believe it is obvious who did a superior job of coaching.


If Dungy was still our HC, who here can say with a straight face, that the Bucs would have done any better than they have? Who would make the claim that Dungy would have won a SB with the Bucs?

On the other hand, how many would doubt that Gruden would have more than one Lombardi if he coached Manning and the Colts the last five years?

Haters are blind. Accept what is real. Dungy couldn't get it done here. With McKay's blunders, Dungy's Bucs couldn't score TDs in the playoffs. They couldn't get past the fleagles and the team record went from 11-5 to 10-6 to 9-7 his last three years.

Even with Manning and the high- powered Colts' offense, Dungy's teams struggled to score TDs in the playoffs. The Jets held them to no points at all and the Patriots to 3 points.

Dungy won his SB because the the Patriots declined last season. Judging from their respective FA moves, things will return to normal in the coming year. Tony Dungy's Colts will take their more natural position of also ran.

The Bucs probably won't reach the SB, much less win it next season, but they are getting clear of the mess left by Rich McKay. They will be competitive and build a solid base for the future.

[Chirodoc]

STOP enough is enough

[RedTideBucs]

Gruden has a ring, Dungy has a ring, let the topic die now.

[BF4L]

I love how Gruden haters say Dungy's team won the SB and give Gruden no credit when 9/22 starters were new to the team and 21/53 new names on the 53 man roster. Guess the facts just dont fit their argument.

To give Dungy no credit is rediculous. He brought in many of the players on the roster and half the coaching staff. More importantly he developed a discipline and work ethic that resonated throughout that championship run. Jon Gruden himself and players on the 2002 roster made specific mention of Tony's contribution to that team, so how is this an issue?

As for the people that say Gruden won with Dungy's team, you are just as rediculous. You have to give Gruden credit for bringing in key guys on the offense, igniting a fire under the stagnant Buccaneers and putting together a great run toward the end of the season and playoffs that saw a lackluster offense develope over the season and look quite good in the end.

All in all, The 2002 Buccaneers won the championship and many were involved in getting them there starting back in the Wyche days. It has all been covered ad nauseum. Why does there need to be further debate on what is very obvious.

ladies............shut up a minute, K? K.

As I said months back............Brad would INDEED make a fantastic booth partner as the color guy, for Gene Deckerhoff.

Now.............on the count of three........connect the dots....... and do the math.