How can Arron Sears help the run game when Gruden abandons the run anyways?

[cee]

1st of all, buenning was just fine at Guard. Looks like gruden is losing faith in his own picks. and moving around a player to various positions will be detrimental to their career (i.e.- kenyatta, a RT in college, playing LT, then put back to RT when gruden got here). we should have addressed the C position. and let them PLAY center.

now lets say buenning moves to C like everyone swears he will (kinda like how everyone SWORE we'd use plummer as trade bait to move up in the draft .. like how that worked out). ok, so we've got our line, with the exception of turnstyle petitjoke at LT, we've got young guys to build on... the gelling/development of our run game and o-line will be curbed because gruden has a propensity to abandon the run when we are trailing by more than 3 pts by the end of the 1st quarter.. don't get your hopes up.. sears, dont get too comfy at Guard.. ask Dan Buenning.. within a year, gruden will find a replacement for you and bucs fans will be singing his praises as you get moved around and possibly end up playing quarterback.

Originally Posted by cee

1st of all, buenning was just fine at Guard. Looks like gruden is losing faith in his own picks. and moving around a player to various positions will be detrimental to their career (i.e.- kenyatta, a RT in college, playing LT, then put back to RT when gruden got here). we should have addressed the C position. and let them PLAY center.

now lets say buenning moves to C like everyone swears he will (kinda like how everyone SWORE we'd use plummer as trade bait to move up in the draft .. like how that worked out). ok, so we've got our line, with the exception of turnstyle petitjoke at LT, we've got young guys to build on... the gelling/development of our run game and o-line will be curbed because gruden has a propensity to abandon the run when we are trailing by more than 3 pts by the end of the 1st quarter.. don't get your hopes up.. sears, dont get too comfy at Guard.. ask Dan Buenning.. within a year, gruden will find a replacement for you and bucs fans will be singing his praises as you get moved around and possibly end up playing quarterback.

Twisted logic

[cee]

it's the truth.

[The Donky]

How can cee make a decent thread when his irrational hate gets in the way of logic?

Answer: He can't.

Originally Posted by The Donky

How can cee make a decent thread when his irrational hate gets in the way of logic?

Answer: He can't.

That is some twisted stuff man......anyone would abandon the run when its not working. Not working because of terrible line play. Line has been worked on greatly through free agency and the draft. Look for a much improved run game.

[cee]

Originally Posted by NevadaBucFan

That is some twisted stuff man......anyone would abandon the run when its not working. Not working because of terrible line play. Line has been worked on greatly through free agency and the draft. Look for a much improved run game.

gruden built that line by himself last yr and he built it this yr.. he handpicked that line that took us to 4-12. do not look for anything different.

[The12thMan]

Gruden abandons the run when we are down too much to come back with running the ball. We failed to come back because of poor QB play. The QB play was addressed via free agency.

It's all tied together buddy.

[Ryan24]

Originally Posted by cee

1st of all, buenning was just fine at Guard. Looks like gruden is losing faith in his own picks. and moving around a player to various positions will be detrimental to their career (i.e.- kenyatta, a RT in college, playing LT, then put back to RT when gruden got here). we should have addressed the C position. and let them PLAY center.

now lets say buenning moves to C like everyone swears he will (kinda like how everyone SWORE we'd use plummer as trade bait to move up in the draft .. like how that worked out). ok, so we've got our line, with the exception of turnstyle petitjoke at LT, we've got young guys to build on... the gelling/development of our run game and o-line will be curbed because gruden has a propensity to abandon the run when we are trailing by more than 3 pts by the end of the 1st quarter.. don't get your hopes up.. sears, dont get too comfy at Guard.. ask Dan Buenning.. within a year, gruden will find a replacement for you and bucs fans will be singing his praises as you get moved around and possibly end up playing quarterback.

Exactly. As a matter of fact the Bucs shouldn't even bother with an OL since all Gruden wants to do is pass the ball.

[buctildeath]

Originally Posted by cee

1st of all, buenning was just fine at Guard. Looks like gruden is losing faith in his own picks. and moving around a player to various positions will be detrimental to their career (i.e.- kenyatta, a RT in college, playing LT, then put back to RT when gruden got here). we should have addressed the C position. and let them PLAY center.

now lets say buenning moves to C like everyone swears he will (kinda like how everyone SWORE we'd use plummer as trade bait to move up in the draft .. like how that worked out). ok, so we've got our line, with the exception of turnstyle petitjoke at LT, we've got young guys to build on... the gelling/development of our run game and o-line will be curbed because gruden has a propensity to abandon the run when we are trailing by more than 3 pts by the end of the 1st quarter.. don't get your hopes up.. sears, dont get too comfy at Guard.. ask Dan Buenning.. within a year, gruden will find a replacement for you and bucs fans will be singing his praises as you get moved around and possibly end up playing quarterback.

We had to abandon the run because 1: It wasn't working to great. 2: We were always coming back from behind you freakin idiot!

[cadillac willy]

Get rid of Griese, lose Simms, end up with the Grad.

Grad can't pass, so Cadillac can't run.

Pass opens up the run, enough said.

By the way, we have the 2nd easiest schedule against the run, a revamped line, and a talented young RB...Look out.

[Fear's Cabinboy]

Yea we sure abandoned the run when Cadillac was average 40 carries a week in his debut??? This makes no sense.

Gruden PREFERS to run, but often times he is forced to pass. This is due to multiple factors, some of which are Gruden's fault, but some of which are the fault of players not playing up to their ability/getting injured.

[TBChucky]

Gruden could pull Cee out of a burning car and he STILL couldnt find one thing nice to say about Jon.. WE should take a vote to see who leaves him there.... but

If your right you`ll have a new coach & GM in `08, so you should be pleased..
Go figure....

[BlackHawk]

Guys...stop posting in cee's bull**** threads and they'll stop...it's that simple...

[Navy_Bucs_Fan]

Originally Posted by cee

1st of all, buenning was just fine at Guard. Looks like gruden is losing faith in his own picks. and moving around a player to various positions will be detrimental to their career (i.e.- kenyatta, a RT in college, playing LT, then put back to RT when gruden got here). we should have addressed the C position. and let them PLAY center.

now lets say buenning moves to C like everyone swears he will (kinda like how everyone SWORE we'd use plummer as trade bait to move up in the draft .. like how that worked out). ok, so we've got our line, with the exception of turnstyle petitjoke at LT, we've got young guys to build on... the gelling/development of our run game and o-line will be curbed because gruden has a propensity to abandon the run when we are trailing by more than 3 pts by the end of the 1st quarter.. don't get your hopes up.. sears, dont get too comfy at Guard.. ask Dan Buenning.. within a year, gruden will find a replacement for you and bucs fans will be singing his praises as you get moved around and possibly end up playing quarterback.

Before I answer your thread, I just want to make it clear, you can never pull off the PMI shtick, so stop trying. Your threads hardly ever make it to two pages.

Now, I'm no longer a big fan of Chucky and its obvious this draft had a lot to do with his future as a head coach of the Bucs, but I don't criticize every move Gruden makes. It's been obvious for a long time in Tampa that we need an offensive line that isn't offensive. Your villain has addressed that the last two years. Of course that's not good enough for you. Granted I would have rather picked Kalil with the second pick over Sears, but I feel Sears is a solid pick. Our QB's need time and our RB's need gaps to run through. Even with Garcia behind our line last year I don't feel we would have had a much better record. Hopefully Gruden wises up and sticks with the line we have now. There's nothing worst than trying to switch up the O-line every year. Those guys need time to gel with each other. If Petigout can stay healthy and our two rookies on the right side continue to progress, I feel we will have a hell of a line that even Gruden would be happy to run with. I will agree with you on one thing, Gruden abandons the run far too early. With an improved O-line hopefully that goes away.

Mods I hope that wasn't too much draft talk.

[cee]

Originally Posted by Navy_Bucs_Fan

Before I answer your thread, I just want to make it clear, you can never pull off the PMI shtick, so stop trying. Your threads hardly ever make it to two pages.

Now, I'm no longer a big fan of Chucky and its obvious this draft had a lot to do with his future as a head coach of the Bucs, but I don't criticize every move Gruden makes. It's been obvious for a long time in Tampa that we need an offensive line that isn't offensive. Your villain has addressed that the last two years. Of course that's not good enough for you. Granted I would have rather picked Kalil with the second pick over Sears, but I feel Sears is a solid pick. Our QB's need time and our RB's need gaps to run through. Even with Garcia behind our line last year I don't feel we would have had a much better record. Hopefully Gruden wises up and sticks with the line we have now. There's nothing worst than trying to switch up the O-line every year. Those guys need time to gel with each other. If Petigout can stay healthy and our two rookies on the right side continue to progress, I feel we will have a hell of a line that even Gruden would be happy to run with. I will agree with you on one thing, Gruden abandons the run far too early. With an improved O-line hopefully that goes away.

Mods I hope that wasn't too much draft talk.

all i am saying is that if you're gonna bring someone in here, via draft or free agency, you better utilize that person. we have seen all too often players that have come in here and have been neglected in the system. either that, or the yr after, they become neglected (clayton's 2nd yr, caddy's 2nd yr).

O-line is different, they play on every down. however, if you dont run the ball, you dont help your o-line come together. it sure doesn't bode well that gruden's o-line is a revolving door of players. he's always changing it and adding/subtracting new players. he brings in steussie, kicks him out. brings in stinchcomb, kicks him out. brings in derrick deese, kicks him out. brings in anthony davis, signs petitgout. brings in matt o'dwyer, kicks him out. resigns kenyatta, kicks him out. brings in buenning to play LG, then drafts an LG a couple yrs later. SEARS & PETITGOUT-- YOU WILL BE REPLACED BY JON GRUDEN SOON. same with joseph and trueblood. look at his track record with o-linemen if you dont believe me.

INCONSISTENCY AT THE O-LINE + LACK OF RUNNING THE BALL = POOR OFFENSIVE LINE DEVELOPMENT

[Supreme_Bucs]

I claim this thread.... and all of cee's garbage for the next vote.

Originally Posted by cee

all i am saying is that if you're gonna bring someone in here, via draft or free agency, you better utilize that person. we have seen all too often players that have come in here and have been neglected in the system. either that, or the yr after, they become neglected (clayton's 2nd yr, caddy's 2nd yr).

O-line is different, they play on every down. however, if you dont run the ball, you dont help your o-line come together. it sure doesn't bode well that gruden's o-line is a revolving door of players. he's always changing it and adding/subtracting new players. he brings in steussie, kicks him out. brings in stinchcomb, kicks him out. brings in derrick deese, kicks him out. brings in anthony davis, signs petitgout. brings in matt o'dwyer, kicks him out. resigns kenyatta, kicks him out. brings in buenning to play LG, then drafts an LG a couple yrs later. SEARS & PETITGOUT-- YOU WILL BE REPLACED BY JON GRUDEN SOON. same with joseph and trueblood. look at his track record with o-linemen if you dont believe me.

INCONSISTENCY AT THE O-LINE + LACK OF RUNNING THE BALL = POOR OFFENSIVE LINE DEVELOPMENT

[cee]

i think it's funny how you all use personal insults instead of disproving what i have to say. none if you can disprove that our o-line has been a revolving door for the past 5 yrs.. kinda like our QB situation.

[IchabodCrane#84]

I'd like to take this time to mention that I love the board upgrades. The spell check was a nice feature, however next time perhaps they can add an idiot translator so I could respond to this thread.

[BlackHawk]

Originally Posted by BlackHawk

Guys...stop posting in cee's bull**** threads and they'll stop...it's that simple...

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Promise?....

[JonCyn90]

Originally Posted by IchabodCrane#84

I'd like to take this time to mention that I love the board upgrades. The spell check was a nice feature, however next time perhaps they can add an idiot translator so I could respond to this thread.

Thanx for the soda on my keyboard

[Cornhusker402]

Originally Posted by cee

it's the truth.

This is the exact thread that spells out the truth.

Grudens playcalling has held us back, not our players, and not Caddy Especially

[KiffininCanton]

Originally Posted by cee

1st of all, buenning was just fine at Guard. Looks like gruden is losing faith in his own picks. and moving around a player to various positions will be detrimental to their career (i.e.- kenyatta, a RT in college, playing LT, then put back to RT when gruden got here). we should have addressed the C position. and let them PLAY center.

now lets say buenning moves to C like everyone swears he will (kinda like how everyone SWORE we'd use plummer as trade bait to move up in the draft .. like how that worked out). ok, so we've got our line, with the exception of turnstyle petitjoke at LT, we've got young guys to build on... the gelling/development of our run game and o-line will be curbed because gruden has a propensity to abandon the run when we are trailing by more than 3 pts by the end of the 1st quarter.. don't get your hopes up.. sears, dont get too comfy at Guard.. ask Dan Buenning.. within a year, gruden will find a replacement for you and bucs fans will be singing his praises as you get moved around and possibly end up playing quarterback.

RACK HIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I agree, Gruden abandoning the run and moving guys around isn't let Muir and his men do their job. Great point

[KiffininCanton]

[QUOTE=cee;2658250]i think it's funny how you all use personal insults instead of disproving what i have to say.[QUOTE]

It's the only way the Gruden fans can respond. They have no facts on their side.

[JudgeDredd]

Damn it.

I saw that the starter of this thread was cee, therefore it would be filled with nothing but garbage, but all the same I clicked on it. I guess hoping people can be educated and lift themselves up from the gutter is really just foolish idealism.


I will continue believe in you cee. Maybe one day.... one day, you'll make a GOOD football thread. Maybe.

[JonCyn90]

Originally Posted by KiffininCanton

RACK HIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I agree, Gruden abandoning the run and moving guys around isn't let Muir and his men do their job. Great point

Link as to who is moving who.

It is just as probable that Muir is the one doing the moving and NOT doing his job.

Remember Gruden is not the OL coach.

Give me one piece of real evidence that Gruden is telling Muir how to set his line.

[wombat]

Originally Posted by cee

gruden built that line by himself last yr and he built it this yr.. he handpicked that line that took us to 4-12. do not look for anything different.

I don't know why Gruden has any coaches at all - seeing he picks all the players and built the line all by himself.
You my friend need to read what you write before hitting "submit post"...

The more you write, the more stupid you sound. Walk away from the computer and go have a lay down and rest, it was a long draft and you are tired, obviously....

Originally Posted by cee

1st of all, buenning was just fine at Guard. Looks like gruden is losing faith in his own picks. and moving around a player to various positions will be detrimental to their career (i.e.- kenyatta, a RT in college, playing LT, then put back to RT when gruden got here). we should have addressed the C position. and let them PLAY center.

now lets say buenning moves to C like everyone swears he will (kinda like how everyone SWORE we'd use plummer as trade bait to move up in the draft .. like how that worked out). ok, so we've got our line, with the exception of turnstyle petitjoke at LT, we've got young guys to build on... the gelling/development of our run game and o-line will be curbed because gruden has a propensity to abandon the run when we are trailing by more than 3 pts by the end of the 1st quarter.. don't get your hopes up.. sears, dont get too comfy at Guard.. ask Dan Buenning.. within a year, gruden will find a replacement for you and bucs fans will be singing his praises as you get moved around and possibly end up playing quarterback.

I think we should make it a holiday on this board,the first time cee says something positive about the Bucs.

[CyberBucSal]

Originally Posted by cee

i think it's funny how you all use personal insults instead of disproving what i have to say. none if you can disprove that our o-line has been a revolving door for the past 5 yrs.. kinda like our QB situation.

Offensive line has been an issue since Gruber retired. This is the first time I feel they are addressing it the right way. Over time, this could well be the best we have ever had. A good O-line creates better pass protection and improves the running game. Once the line gels, the offense overall will be improved greatly.