Better pro career...Mike Williams or Cadillac Williams

[NoAlibi]

I've seen it said time and time again...

"oh you're probably someone who wanted Mike Williams over Cadillac." or, "so and so will end up a bust like Mike Williams.." etc..


So, I ask...because while CW hasn't been a bust...he certainly wasn't very good last season...And now that Mike Williams is out of Detroit, I'd just about look at this as his rookie season..and start his career from here..


Anyway, are you really that convinced that Cadillac Williams will have a better career, and that he was the better pick than Mike Williams?

[MizzouBuc]

Caddy. The Bucs are bulking up that O-Line, and we know Caddy can run. Mike Williams will be good in Oak-town, but I wouldn't expect him to make too much of an impact. Caddy is going to get back to his rookie form. Sophomore slump gets to everyone. I don't even think this one garners a debate.

[UCLABUCSFAN]

Caddy. Mike Williams probrably will not go anywhere with Oakland, and Caddy was injured last year and has a chance to rebound.

[dawgland]

in mike williams' defense, he was playing in an offense that didn't fit his style

i know he had the weight thing, but even if he showed up overweight, he just didn't fit martz's style offense in detroit



also, for a WR like williams, being a 10 pounds overweight wouldn't be a huge problem

[FLA-ORGator666]

If Mike can't get it done in Oakland, he may be flipping burgers rather than running crossing patterns in 3 years.

I still say Caddy will have a better career. He had a fantastic rookie campaign, and he struggled mightily last year (yet still got nearly 800 yards without any kind of passable QB play). This is a big year for him though. We beefed up the O-line, got Garcia (an actually NFL level QB), so Caddy should return to form. If he doesn't bounce back, then it's time to be concerned.

[Chebington]

I admit, I wanted Mike Williams over Carnell. But so far, Mike has done diddy, while Carnell has produced even in down seasons. Heck, Mike isn't even starting.

[John Doe]

Mike Williams has barely played any football in the last 3 years. He was forced to sit out the last year of his college career and he quickly fell out of favor with coaches in Detroit shortly after he was drafted.

He's caught less than 40 passes since that monster sophomore season he had at USC in 2003. Who knows what kind of player he is now?


I'll have to wait and see how he looks in a Raiders uniform for at least a few games before making any kind of final judgment on him.

[TBChucky]

Staying with Carnell. Although I think BMW will be MUCH more productive now he`s reunited with Lane Kiffin. One thing for sure is that he knows how to use him properly. I also expect Cadillac to have a career year this year.

Cadillac WILL have a career year in `07!!

Then again, BMW possibly can too?!?

[BlackHawk]

I think some of you guys are putting too much stock in the whole "change of scenery" line...I don't think young guys like BMW should ever be able to rely on that...older ones who have gone through hell with crap teams or just crap offenses and/or personal issues maybe...

That being said...Caddy will have a much better career...he is just more overall talented and doesn't have those pesky character issues...althouth that won't be much of a problem in Oakland...

[Brooks Spain]

Originally Posted by NoAlibi

I've seen it said time and time again...

"oh you're probably someone who wanted Mike Williams over Cadillac." or, "so and so will end up a bust like Mike Williams.." etc..


So, I ask...because while CW hasn't been a bust...he certainly wasn't very good last season...And now that Mike Williams is out of Detroit, I'd just about look at this as his rookie season..and start his career from here..


Anyway, are you really that convinced that Cadillac Williams will have a better career, and that he was the better pick than Mike Williams?

Cadillac had a sophomore slump, but you can see that he will be a top RB, and MW, didn't show anything in these two years!!
Cadillac was a better choice!!

But...what about previous year draft? Clayton-Stephen Jackson...that was the bad choice!!! I would love that Mike Clayton has a rebound year...but...i seriously doubt that this would happen, and Stephen Jackson is a top 5 RB, much better than a great RB like Caddy is!!!

With Stephen Jackson and Mike Williams we would have a better duo than Caddy-Clayton.

Don't understand me bad....I like Caddy very much...but...Jackson is a monster on the field.

and, between Clayton and MW....I have no preferences right now!! Clayton disappointed me a lot thesw last two years.

[Hawxter19]

Mike Williams.

Caddy has major injury problems.

[real bucs fan]

Originally Posted by Hawxter19

Mike Williams.

Caddy has major injury problems.

And Mike Williams is a fat piece of ****.


Caddy by FAAAAAAAAAAAR.

[Malibu]

I don't know if you can say Caddy by far. RBs don't have long shelf lifes to begin with and Caddy was one of the worst RBs in the league last year. At least Mike Williams was sucking on the bench where he wasn't hurting his team with poor play on the field.

[Hawxter19]

Originally Posted by real bucs fan

And Mike Williams is a fat piece of ****.


Caddy by FAAAAAAAAAAAR.

A fat piece of **** that doesn't play with injuries that will only shorten his career.

Besides, he's going to be playing in a very similar system to what he was playing in at USC.

[FLA-ORGator666]

Originally Posted by Hawxter19

A fat piece of **** that doesn't play with injuries that will only shorten his career.

Besides, he's going to be playing in a very similar system to what he was playing in at USC.

I'd take the bet that Caddy's career won’t end due to injuries before Mike Williams career ends do to being lazy and out of shape.

I do believe being reunited with Lane Kiffin should help Mike Williams, but if Mike can’t turn it around now that he's back in his offensive system from college, then I doubt he gets another chance past this stop.

[NoAlibi]

Originally Posted by real bucs fan

And Mike Williams is a fat piece of ****.


Caddy by FAAAAAAAAAAAR.

Mike Williams is far from fat...

[FLA-ORGator666]

Originally Posted by NoAlibi

Mike Williams is far from fat...

But he is out of shape, and that is due to laziness. Lazy and character issues have been the end of many a career, and if Mike doesn’t drastically change both and start producing, he'll be another on that list.

[HaVoC]

who is in the hall of fame already?

[Malibu]

You know who else is in the Hall of Fame? Desmond Howard.

That's a stupid arguement. He isn't even in the HOF for a good reason. Most yards by a rookie running back in their first three games is a stupid statistic. Why don't you go ahead and put someone in the HOF for most catches by a rookie tight end in their first 7 games? You see where I'm going?

[Malibu]

Also, just so you know, his gloves and shoes are on display in the Bucs memorabilia section along with a game ball from when Lee Roy Selmon sacked Fran Tarkenton three times in one game, a detachable hand warmer for uniforms that was developed by Tampa Bay equipment manager Frank Pupello (woo?), and Doug Williams' helmet with the custom made facemask to protect his broken jaw.

http://www.profootballhof.com/hof/re...elease_id=1705


In other words, it isn't even CLOSE to the real Hall of Fame stuff.

[HaVoC]

no need to jump down my throat

not a "stupid arguement", its a personal opinion.
you can stick it where the sun doesn't shine for all i care

so far cadillac's career has been far better than mike's and i think it will continue to be that way until they hang them up.

[cee]

mike williams looked good in the BCS minor leagues (PAC10), but he is exposed in the NFL, like many USC players of recent times.


there is a reason why all the FL schools passed up on mike williams during recruiting season. that is why he had to head west, because those programs are there to collect the rejects of the southern programs. the south is the breeding ground for NFL talent.. the westcoast is breeding ground for media hype, especially los angeles. to a certain extent, rutgers gets hyped the same way being in the NYC market.

[Jack Sparrow]

Originally Posted by cee

mike williams looked good in the BCS minor leagues (PAC10), but he is exposed in the NFL, like many USC players of recent times.


there is a reason why all the FL schools passed up on mike williams during recruiting season. that is why he had to head west, because those programs are there to collect the rejects of the southern programs. the south is the breeding ground for NFL talent.. the westcoast is breeding ground for media hype, especially los angeles. to a certain extent, rutgers gets hyped the same way being in the NYC market.

i dont agree with that...but im really happy that you made your first non-negative post.

[PetePierson]

Originally Posted by NoAlibi

Anyway, are you really that convinced that Cadillac Williams will have a better career, and that he was the better pick than Mike Williams?

I was hoping the Bucs would have taken Mike Williams, if he ever gets his head on straight and get serious, he will make it in the NFL.

Carnell just plain sucks.

[Jack Sparrow]

Originally Posted by PetePierson

I was hoping the Bucs would have taken Mike Williams, if he ever gets his head on straight and get serious, he will make it in the NFL.

Carnell just plain sucks.

and why is that?? do you have any facts??

did you notice that he played for the worst o-line in the NFL right??

[UMiamiBucFan]

Man that draft sucked...

[John Doe]

Originally Posted by Jack Sparrow

and why is that?? do you have any facts??

The 3.5 yards per carry last season, constant nagging injuries and lack of any real receiving ability kind of speak for themselves.


From what we've seen from him so far, it's obvious that he needs to be in a 2-back system where someone else can get the tough yards early in the game and wear down the defense. Since he's really not a threat in the passing game, the other back should be the primary receiver too. It's too bad Ronnie Brown wasn't part of the package deal when we drafted him.

Cadillac is a guy that should be getting at least 75% of his carries in the second half of the game and he can be very effective if he is used in this way. He proved that in his very first NFL game when he broke that 71 yard touchdown run against Minnesota in the 4th quarter after an otherwise very average outing.

[FLA-ORGator666]

Originally Posted by John Doe

The 3.5 yards per carry last season, constant nagging injuries and lack of any real receiving ability kind of speak for themselves.

I could also make the argument that he was able to get 3.5 yards per carry despite nagging injuries, no o-line to speak of, and absolutely zero QB play causing the opposing D to load up on the run, not to mention Gruden abandoning the run very early on.

Not to say Carnell had a good season last year, he didn't. But still, their is a case to be made that getting nearly 800 yards in 14 games last year with the crap that was going on is something. He still needs to have a big year this season, seeing as our O-line should be much improved and with Garcia there should be at least a consistent passing attack to keep defenses honest.

[John Doe]

Originally Posted by FLA-ORGator666

I could also make the argument that he was able to get 3.5 yards per carry despite nagging injuries, no o-line to speak of, and absolutely zero QB play causing the opposing D to load up on the run, not to mention Gruden abandoning the run very early on.

I agree, he was in a bad situation last season. Poor offensive personnel, poor play calling and not being properly utilized all contributed to his bad season in 2007.


That being said, you have to be at least a little bit disappointed in what Cadillac has done so far for the Bucs. We drafted him in the same spot that guys like LaDainian Tomlinson, Jamal Lewis and Ricky Williams were selected only a few years before.

[PetePierson]

How many times does it have to be said? Starting RBs make plays period. Play calling, Oline, passing game, blah blah blah. All excuses. Carnell is horrid, can't even be a 3rd down back as he has no hands. Carnell thinks he is still in the SEC. Sorry Carnell, you have to make cuts - you can't just run over everyone in the NFL. Especially since you are too small.