Chicago's Alex Brown requesting to seek trade?

Could this be a player we could move Brian Kelly or Simeon Rice for? Alex Brown is only 27 yrs young and has averaged 48.5 tackles a season, 5.6 sacks a season, but more importantly he has only missed one regular season game. in his first 5 seasons. Compare that to Simeon Rice's averages which are 26.5 tackles a season, 12 sacks a season over the last five years and missing 9 games the last two seasons and while the sack average looks considerably larger I think the more important numbers are the total tackles. Over the last five years Alex Brown averaged 3 tackles a game and Simeon has averaged 1 tackle a game. Brown is younger and has more in tank than Rice does at this point in his career.

If the Bears for some reason didn't want Simeon but would like Brian Kelly, his issues are well documented and really need no further discussion because the Bucs and Bruce Allen have a policy when it comes to players with two years on there contract and they haven't made any exceptions thus far. We may have to throw in a draft pick with either player for the Bears to make the deal but if we wan't to win and build for the future we have to get quality young talent.

Alex Brown, Gaines Adams, Chris Hovan, Greg Spires, Kevin Carter, and possibly Greg Peterson, now that doesn't sound to bad.

[UMiamiBucFan]

He's pretty much maxed out his potential. He'll probably never get any better than he is right now...and that's not that great. He's good, not great. I'd rather look for a younger player with higher potential (ie, draft pick next year).

Oh and we need a UT more than anything else on the line...

Edit: Oh and never quote tackle statistics. They mean nothing. There are just too many factors that go into who gets tackles. Jermaine Phillips got over 100 tackles as a DB...but does anyone think he had a good season? There are just too many factors that tackle counts don't take into account.

Originally Posted by UMiamiBucFan

He's pretty much maxed out his potential. He'll probably never get any better than he is right now...and that's not that great. He's good, not great. I'd rather look for a younger player with higher potential (ie, draft pick next year).

Oh and we need a UT more than anything else on the line...

I disagree with you about his potential. He is a disrupter and plays every down. I will agree the teams UT position is suspect but maybe K. Carter and Spires can rotate in and out of the UT and DE positions.

Originally Posted by UMiamiBucFan

He's pretty much maxed out his potential. He'll probably never get any better than he is right now...and that's not that great. He's good, not great. I'd rather look for a younger player with higher potential (ie, draft pick next year).

Oh and we need a UT more than anything else on the line...

Edit: Oh and never quote tackle statistics. They mean nothing. There are just too many factors that go into who gets tackles. Jermaine Phillips got over 100 tackles as a DB...but does anyone think he had a good season? There are just too many factors that tackle counts don't take into account.

Stats may not tell the whole story for a season but a span of 3 or more years makes it a trend and Alex has shown his consitency.

[mknoll]

and that's not that great

Did you watch the last time the Bears played the bucs?

[K Preem.]

Originally Posted by UMiamiBucFan

He's pretty much maxed out his potential. He'll probably never get any better than he is right now...and that's not that great. He's good, not great. I'd rather look for a younger player with higher potential (ie, draft pick next year).

Oh and we need a UT more than anything else on the line...

Edit: Oh and never quote tackle statistics. They mean nothing. There are just too many factors that go into who gets tackles. Jermaine Phillips got over 100 tackles as a DB...but does anyone think he had a good season? There are just too many factors that tackle counts don't take into account.

I agree. Although tackles for a loss can represent a myriad of abilities.

[Gooshdawg]

Originally Posted by cast1bucs

Could this be a player we could move Brian Kelly or Simeon Rice for? Alex Brown is only 27 yrs young and has averaged 48.5 tackles a season, 5.6 sacks a season, but more importantly he has only missed one regular season game. in his first 5 seasons. Compare that to Simeon Rice's averages which are 26.5 tackles a season, 12 sacks a season over the last five years and missing 9 games the last two seasons and while the sack average looks considerably larger I think the more important numbers are the total tackles. Over the last five years Alex Brown averaged 3 tackles a game and Simeon has averaged 1 tackle a game. Brown is younger and has more in tank than Rice does at this point in his career.

Why would the Bears want Simeon or Brian Kelly, his issues are well documented and really need no further discussion because the Bucs and Bruce Allen have a policy when it comes to players with two years on there contract and they haven't made any exceptions thus far. We may have to throw in a draft pick with either player for the Bears to make the deal but if we wan't to win and build for the future we have to get quality young talent.

Alex Brown, Gaines Adams, Chris Hovan, Greg Spires, Kevin Carter, and possibly Greg Peterson, now that doesn't sound to bad.

I fixed it for you.

[Buccaneer53]

If we could trade Kelly for him lets talk trade. I like Buchanon anyways.

[Sortin]

Originally Posted by Gooshdawg

I fixed it for you.

LOL...twice now I agree with you.

Why would the Bears want to give up a high-effort young player that doesn't miss games, in trade for Rice, who missed most of last season and is ONLY a pass rusher, or a system CB that is looking for a payday?

[UMiamiBucFan]

Originally Posted by mknoll

Did you watch the last time the Bears played the bucs?

I see every Bucs game...and I stand by what I said.

[UMiamiBucFan]

Originally Posted by cast1bucs

Stats may not tell the whole story for a season but a span of 3 or more years makes it a trend and Alex has shown his consitency.

Tackle statistics don't take into account how many times the play comes towards the defender. They don't take into account where on the field that the tackle occurs. They don't take into account whether another player spilled the tackle into him. They don't take into account whether the player was actually following his correct assignment. It doesn't matter if its over one year or three, tackle stats are worthless.

[deltbucs]

Originally Posted by UMiamiBucFan

I see every Bucs game...and I stand by what I said.

I've got to disagree with you on this one, UM. Not that we will actually get him, but I really like Brown. Seems to not take plays off, rushes the passer very well, and just seems to be a force up front. As much as I hate a gator, the guy's play really impresses me.

[UMiamiBucFan]

Originally Posted by deltbucs

I've got to disagree with you on this one, UM. Not that we will actually get him, but I really like Brown. Seems to not take plays off, rushes the passer very well, and just seems to be a force up front. As much as I hate a gator, the guy's play really impresses me.

1) I'm glad we're finally disagreeing on something...it was just too creepy.
2) I like him, but I wouldn't give up Simeon or Kelly for him. Plus, while he's still young, I think DE is a position that doesn't take long to develop, so we should aim for younger DEs (thru the draft).

[deltbucs]

1. That's why I thought that it was absolutely necessary to bring up.
2. Again, not that the trade would happen, but I'd give up Rice for Brown in a second. Brown is still pretty young. Rice is on getting up there and only has one year left on his contract. I guess is just a matter of how effective you think that Brown would be. I think that he'd be equally as effective as Rice.

[UMiamiBucFan]

Originally Posted by deltbucs

1. That's why I thought that it was absolutely necessary to bring up.
2. Again, not that the trade would happen, but I'd give up Rice for Brown in a second. Brown is still pretty young. Rice is on getting up there and only has one year left on his contract. I guess is just a matter of how effective you think that Brown would be. I think that he'd be equally as effective as Rice.

Yeah, I guess that's where we differ. I think if Rice returns healthy, he's a much better player than Brown. He just can't match Simeon's athletic ability.

[Sortin]

Originally Posted by UMiamiBucFan

I think if Rice returns healthy, he's a much better player than Brown.

For how long?