Final Roster/Final Cuts predicitons?

[QuarlesFan]

Well, my opinion changed after the last game due to injuries and guys showing up to play. Also, Torrie Cox doesn't count against the roster until the 5th week. Anyhow, those definitely making the team unless traded are:

QB: Jeff Garcia, Luke McCown, Bruce Gradkowski
RB: Cadillac Williams, Michael Pittman, Earnest Graham
FB: B.J. Askew
WR: Joey Galloway, Ike Hillard, Maurice Stovall, Michael Clayton
TE: Alex Smith, Anthony Becht, Jerramy Stevens
OT: Luke Petitgout, Jeremy Trueblood, Donald Penn
OG: Davin Joseph, Arron Sears, Anthony Davis
C: John Wade, Dan Buenning

DE: Gaines Adams, Kevin Carter, Greg Spires, Patrick Chukwurah
DT: Chris Hovan, Jovan Haye
LB: Derrick Brooks, Cato June, Barrett Ruud, Jamie Winborn, Quincy Black, Ryan Nece
CB: Ronde Barber, Brian Kelly, Phillip Buchanon, Sammy Davis, Torrie Cox
S: Tanard Jackson, Jermaine Phillips, Will Allen, Sabby Piscitelli

K: Matt Bryant
P: Josh Bidwell
LS: Andrew Economos
PR: Mark Jones

So 46 are locks not counting Torrie Cox. That leaves 7 spots open with these 17 guys fighting for them:

Chris Simms
David Boston
Kalvin Pearson
Alan Zemaitis
Julian Jenkins
Ellis Wyms
Ryan Sims
Greg Peterson
Greg White
Adam Hayward
Leon Joe
Kenneth Darby
Lionel Gates
Chas Gessner
Matt Lehr
Dennis Roland
Chris Denman

The young guys are more likely to be cut if the Bucs feel they won't be picked up by another team so they can be brought back to the practice squad unless another player at that position with more potential is out there. So, not making the cut based on that are:

Chris Denman, Dennis Roland, Lionel Gates, Kenneth Darby, Chas Gessner, Greg Peterson. So that leaves 7 spots for 11 guys.

David Boston makes it at WR so 6 spots left for 10 guys.

Bucs like to keep a 7th LB for special teams so that is either Hayward or Joe. Joe has produced on special teams with the Bears but hasn't been with the team very long while Hayward was drafted and played fairly well during the pre-season. Hayward makes it based on being drafted, playing on defense, and of course special teams. So 5 spots for 8 guys.

Next, 3 more defensive lineman are likely to be kept so the Bucs will have 9. That is either Ryan Sims, Ellis Wyms, Julian Jenkins, or Greg White. I think Ryan Sims makes it as a run stopper and natural DT, Jenkins since he is young and shown some potential this pre-season, and Greg White for the same reasons as Jenkins. Kevin Carter & Greg Spires aren't getting any younger so it would be nice to have Jenkins & White going into camp next year if Carter or Spires lose another step or get hurt. Wyms is the same age as White but has a much larger contract. Wyms can play DT though but I'm not so sure that is enough to make the team with Carter being able to play the position. If Chukwurah isn't hurt seriously Wyms gets cut leaving 2 spots for 5 guys.

Matt Lehr gets cut since Wade & Buenning can play center and younger guys like Roland or Denman or whoever can be put in practice squad for other positions. So, still 2 spots for 4 guys.

Last 3 are Simms, Pearson, and Zemaitis. If Simms goes on IR Pearson & Zemaitis make it. If Simms doesn't he obviously makes it along with Zemaitis. I'd put Simms on IR so barring any trades or player signings I'd have the final roster looking like this:

QB: Jeff Garcia, Luke McCown, Bruce Gradkowski
RB: Cadillac Williams, Michael Pittman, Earnest Graham
FB: B.J. Askew
WR: Joey Galloway, Ike Hillard, Michael Clayton, Maurice Stovall, David Boston
TE: Alex Smith, Anthony Becht, Jerramy Stevens
OT: Luke Petitgout, Jeremy Trueblood, Donald Penn
OG: Davin Joseph, Arron Sears, Anthony Davis
C: John Wade, Dan Buenning

DE: Gaines Adams, Greg Spires, Patrick Chukwurah, Julian Jenkins, Greg White
DT: Chris Hovan, Jovan Haye, Kevin Carter, Ryan Sims
LB: Derrick Brooks, Cato June, Barrett Ruud, Jamie Winborn, Quincy Black, Ryan Nece, Adam Hayward
CB: Ronde Barber, Brian Kelly, Phillip Buchanon, Sammy Davis, Alan Zemaitis, Torrie Cox
S: Tanard Jackson, Jermaine Phillips, Will Allen, Sabby Piscitelli, Kalvin Pearson

K: Matt Bryant
P: Josh Bidwell
LS: Andrew Economos
PR: Mark Jones

I wouldn't be surprised if the Bucs keep Simms, Wyms or Joe on the roster though.

[NewBetterBucs05]

QB- Jeff Garcia, Luke McCown, Bruce Gradkowski

RB- Cadillac Williams, Michael Pittman, Earnest Graham
FB- B.J. Askew

WR- Joey Galloway, Michael Clayton, Maurice Stovall, David Boston, Ike Hilliard, Mark Jones (PR and KR)
TE- Alex Smith, Anthony Becht, Jerramy Stevens

OT- Luke Pettigout, Anthony Davis
OG- Arron Sears, Dan Buenning
C- John Wade, Matt Lehr
OG- Davin Joseph
OT- Jeremy Trueblood, Donald Penn

K-Matt Bryant
P- Josh Bidwell
LS- Andrew Economos

DE- Greg Spires, Gaines Adams, Patrick Chuckwurah, Kevin Carter, Julian Jenkins
DT- Chris Hovan, Jovan Haye, Ellis Wyms, Greg Peterson

LB- Derrick Brooks, Barrett Ruud, Cato June, Jamie Winborn, Ryan Nece, Quincy Black, Adam Hayward

CB- Ronde Barber, Brian Kelly, Phillip Bucchanon, Sammy Davis, Alan Zemaitis
S- Jermaine Phillips, Will Allen, Tanard Jackson, Sabby Piscitelli

[QuarlesFan]

I like Peterson as well and wouldn't mind him making it.

[JamesWilder32]

Ryan Sims does not make the team. Greg Peterson has shown with his knackk for playing in the opponent's backfield that he is definitely a talent worth keeping. You not having him on the list completely devalues your list as a whole.

Sims has done nothing this preseason while Peterson was very disruptive. You need to watch some games before you post this stuff.

KP isn't likely to make the team this season, Carter is a DE and Greg White will likely be practice squad. Sammy Davis is not a good bet to make the team.


The list from NewBetterBucs05 looks way closer to the final roster. Especially considering Torrie Cox isn't on it and technically Cox won't be on the opening day roster. THe only thing I disagree with there is Davis, but then again he might make it only to get cut when Cox comes back.

[PetePierson]

JW32 - What's your take on Gates? Practice Squad? I really dig the way the kid runs.

I sure hope Jerramy Stevens doesn't make the team. The last thing the Bucs need is another soft player with no heart and no hands (see Clayton).

[JamesWilder32]

CBs Hamilton and Hendricks
LB Hayward (if he doesn't make the cut)
OT Penn (if he doesn't make the cut)
RB Darby
WR Lucas

are all pretty good shots to get onto the practice squad.

[PetePierson]

Originally Posted by JamesWilder32

OT Penn (if he doesn't make the cut)

Love the way he plays, Penn is making the squad.

[JamesWilder32]

Originally Posted by PetePierson

JW32 - What's your take on Gates? Practice Squad? I really dig the way the kid runs.

I sure hope Jerramy Stevens doesn't make the team. The last thing the Bucs need is another soft player with no heart and no hands (see Clayton).

I like him a lot better than Darby. Gates has good power and nice wiggle, plus he seems decisive.

I would like to see him on the PS... but you never know with RBs... I think as a prospect he is far better than Darby but I don't think he had as much opportunity. Darby played awful down the stretch of last few games while Gates played fairly well when he was in there. I gotta think that being he has been around the team a bit longer that he HAS to be a better blocker and route runner than Darby.


I've noticed the leading rusher for most teams during preseason usually gets cut. Not that Gates was our leading rusher but he seemed to be getting the bulk of the carries on Thursday night, I don't know if that means they don't give a rat's behind about him or not.

[JamesWilder32]

Originally Posted by PetePierson

JW32 - What's your take on Gates? Practice Squad? I really dig the way the kid runs.

I sure hope Jerramy Stevens doesn't make the team. The last thing the Bucs need is another soft player with no heart and no hands (see Clayton).

Stevens played almost the entire game Thursday. For a veteran player that doesn't seem to be a good thing. Usually you only see vets out there for a whole game if they are expendable. He had a decent game though, other than the fumble. To be honest, as bad as Stevens is, I suppose he isn't bad, he is still better than the other TE that Gruden loved that was also a big tease, Ricky Dudley.

[QuarlesFan]

Originally Posted by JamesWilder32

Ryan Sims does not make the team. Greg Peterson has shown with his knackk for playing in the opponent's backfield that he is definitely a talent worth keeping. You not having him on the list completely devalues your list as a whole.

Sims has done nothing this preseason while Peterson was very disruptive. You need to watch some games before you post this stuff.

KP isn't likely to make the team this season, Carter is a DE and Greg White will likely be practice squad. Sammy Davis is not a good bet to make the team.


The list from NewBetterBucs05 looks way closer to the final roster. Especially considering Torrie Cox isn't on it and technically Cox won't be on the opening day roster. THe only thing I disagree with there is Davis, but then again he might make it only to get cut when Cox comes back.

If you look a post above yours you will see I like Peterson as well. After 3 games I had Peterson making it but the Bucs seem to have a thing for Sims. After the time and effort I put into the post explaining my choices your remark about me needing to watch more games based on one player is rude and childish. I could say that about you after you posted "OT Penn (if he doesn't make the cut)" since he has obviously made the team.

[jazz]

QB: 3
gracia, mccown, gradkowski
RB: 5
williams, pittman, askew, graham (ST), darby
WR: 5
galloway, stovall, hilliard, boston, clayton
TE: 3
smith, becht, stevens
OL: 9
T: petigout, penn , trueblood
G: sears, joseph, davies (G/T),buenning (C/G)
C: wade, lehr (C/G)
DL: 8
DE: adams, carter(DT/DE), spires, chukwurah,white
DT: hayes, hovan,wyms
LB: 7
WOLB: brooks, winborn
SOLB: june, black, hayward (ST)
MLB: rudd, nece
DB: 9
S: phillips, piscitelli,allen, jackson (S/CB), pearson (ST)
CB: barber, kelly, buchanon, cox/davis (first 4 games, because cox doesn't count)
ST: 4
LS: economos
K: bryant
P: bidwell
KR/PR: jones (also WR)

Practice Squad
peterson (DT)
hamilton (CB)
denman (T)
...

IR
simms

[JamesWilder32]

Originally Posted by QuarlesFan

If you look a post above yours you will see I like Peterson as well. After 3 games I had Peterson making it but the Bucs seem to have a thing for Sims. After the time and effort I put into the post explaining my choices your remark about me needing to watch more games based on one player is rude and childish. I could say that about you after you posted "OT Penn (if he doesn't make the cut)" since he has obviously made the team.

Maybe I'm a rude child or maybe me seeing you think Sims should make the team led me to believe that you didn't see him getting pushed around and not making plays in the preseason or that Peterson was very explosive and played at both the UT and NT spots (which shows the coaches his versatility) and played very well at both.

How obvious is it that Penn made the team? That he played 90% of the game the other night? That isn't a good sign, or that his man was the one that caused the fumble of McCown in the first quarter? Which one is the one that makes him a lock to make the roster?

[JamesWilder32]

Originally Posted by jazz

QB: 3
gracia, mccown, gradkowski
RB: 5
williams, pittman, askew, graham (ST), darby
WR: 5
galloway, stovall, hilliard, boston, clayton
TE: 3
smith, becht, stevens
OL: 9
T: petigout, penn , trueblood
G: sears, joseph, davies (G/T),buenning (C/G)
C: wade, lehr (C/G)
DL: 8
DE: adams, carter(DT/DE), spires, chukwurah,white
DT: hayes, hovan,wyms
LB: 7
WOLB: brooks, winborn
SOLB: june, black, hayward (ST)
MLB: rudd, nece
DB: 9
S: phillips, piscitelli,allen, jackson (S/CB), pearson (ST)
CB: barber, kelly, buchanon, cox/davis (first 4 games, because cox doesn't count)
ST: 4
LS: economos
K: bryant
P: bidwell
KR/PR: jones (also WR)

Practice Squad
peterson (DT)
hamilton (CB)
denman (T)
...

IR
simms

No way the Bucs expose Peterson to waivers... #1 He was a 5th round pick and the Bucs haven't cut a 5th or lower since 2002 (nimmo) #2 he is very very good #3 he can play LDE, UT and NT while you had Greg White making it who is only a DE.

[JamesWilder32]

Jenkins likely makes the team as well, his versatility is a big asset. He will likely be the next Wyms-type swingman.

[QuarlesFan]

Originally Posted by JamesWilder32

How obvious is it that Penn made the team? That he played 90% of the game the other night? That isn't a good sign, or that his man was the one that caused the fumble of McCown in the first quarter? Which one is the one that makes him a lock to make the roster?

Penn has made the team and could very well start. Trueblood has played next to none the past 2 games so of course Penn is going to play a lot. Penn has held his own the past two weeks with the offense moving just fine with him in there.

The play where McCown fumbled I do believe he held the ball way too long and was trying to scramble after nothing was open and it cost him. I believe there were 2 or 3 guys on or around him at the time which is usually a sign of him holding it too long.

[jazz]

Originally Posted by JamesWilder32

No way the Bucs expose Peterson to waivers... #1 He was a 5th round pick and the Bucs haven't cut a 5th or lower since 2002 (nimmo) #2 he is very very good #3 he can play LDE, UT and NT while you had Greg White making it who is only a DE.

because the injury (several weeks?) of chukwurah the bucs need one more DE - I like peterson too, but I don't see another player to cut besides white (maybe lehr) - same with jenkins ( there's only room for 53)

[Cobra Boy]

I won't be surprised to see Wyms cut. He has not shown me a lot. I see more upside in Peterson and White. I wouldn't be surprised to see Syms make the team, either. He's a load in the middle, and that is where the Bucs are the weakest on the D.

We'll see...

[Cobra Boy]

Originally Posted by JamesWilder32

Maybe I'm a rude child or maybe me seeing you think Sims should make the team led me to believe that you didn't see him getting pushed around and not making plays in the preseason or that Peterson was very explosive and played at both the UT and NT spots (which shows the coaches his versatility) and played very well at both.

How obvious is it that Penn made the team? That he played 90% of the game the other night? That isn't a good sign, or that his man was the one that caused the fumble of McCown in the first quarter? Which one is the one that makes him a lock to make the roster?

Playing a lot in the last PS game is not necesarily a bad thing.

Guys who are young or rusty need more NFL game experience. It doesn't necessarily mean they are getting the apple and roadmap.

Originally Posted by jazz

DB: 9
S: phillips, piscitelli,allen, jackson (S/CB), pearson (ST)
CB: barber, kelly, buchanon, cox/davis (first 4 games, because cox doesn't count)

highly unlikely we keep 5 Safeties and 4 Corners...the opposite is far more likely...i see zemaitis making the team over pearson

[jazz]

Originally Posted by Cobra Boy

I won't be surprised to see Wyms cut. He has not shown me a lot. I see more upside in Peterson and White. I wouldn't be surprised to see Syms make the team, either. He's a load in the middle, and that is where the Bucs are the weakest on the D.

We'll see...

In my opion the whole DL depth is shaky - carter is the real deal, hovan and spires are solid, adams is the first rounder and hayes had a promising camp - but sims is a big question, wyms is a disappointment since contract extension years ago, white and jenkins are unproven, chukwurah is injured, peterson is promising but a 5th round project and campbell not even a project - so we'll see ..

[jazz]

Originally Posted by rokallnite13

highly unlikely we keep 5 Safeties and 4 Corners...the opposite is far more likely...i see zemaitis making the team over pearson

pearson is a ST standout and jackson can play both (S/CB) - the bucs don't use 4 cornerbacks regulary and sometimes they use a backup safety as a dime back - on the other side is zemaitis a real disappointment - as Cobra says we'll see ...

[Ryan24]

Originally Posted by QuarlesFan

CB: Ronde Barber, Brian Kelly, Phillip Buchanon, Sammy Davis, Alan Zemaitis, Torrie Cox
S: Tanard Jackson, Jermaine Phillips, Will Allen, Sabby Piscitelli, Kalvin Pearson

The Bucs won't keep 5 Corners and 5 Safeties. Take out one of each. Jackson can fill in at CB.

[Ryan24]

Originally Posted by JamesWilder32

Stevens played almost the entire game Thursday. For a veteran player that doesn't seem to be a good thing. Usually you only see vets out there for a whole game if they are expendable. He had a decent game though, other than the fumble. To be honest, as bad as Stevens is, I suppose he isn't bad, he is still better than the other TE that Gruden loved that was also a big tease, Ricky Dudley.

Somebody had to play TE.

[Q-man]

IMO, the PLAYERS in question are:
Peterson, Hayward, Sims, Simms, Wymns, Pearson, White,
Darby, Jones, Zman, Davis, Winborn.
The Bucs have some tough decisions to make.

[Ryan24]

Originally Posted by Q-man

IMO, the PLAYERS in question are:
Peterson, Hayward, Sims, Simms, Wymns, Pearson, White,
Darby, Jones, Zman, Davis, Winborn.
The Bucs have some tough decisions to make.

Warren's injury makes Jones almost a lock IMHO. The Bucs will want to keep 6 WR's and I don't think Gessner is nearly at the level Warren was at and thus keeping Jones as a KR/PR/WR makes a little more sense.

[paletta007]

Originally Posted by Q-man

IMO, the PLAYERS in question are:
Peterson, Hayward, Sims, Simms, Wymns, Pearson, White,
Darby, Jones, Zman, Davis, Winborn.
The Bucs have some tough decisions to make.

after all I dont think they will release wyms hes been hear 6 years, I think they will keep him!!

[QuarlesFan]

Originally Posted by NewBetterBucs05

QB

Propz for picking 48/53.

Originally Posted by jazz

QB

Propz for picking 49/53.


Hope both of you are around next year for another go around since you both seem to know your Buccaneer football.

[jazz]

Originally Posted by QuarlesFan

Propz for picking 48/53.




Propz for picking 49/53.


Hope both of you are around next year for another go around since you both seem to know your Buccaneer football.

Thanx
Every year are some unpredictable moves: e.g. cut the only return specialist or keep 4 QBs. But I really knew nothing about Leon Joe.
Cut Wyms and keep Sims and Peterson is not so surprising, as some posters (others than me)predicted.

By the way: You've got also 49/53 plus noticed Simms and Joe. Propz too!

[Cobra Boy]

I wouldn't be at all surprised if there were 3-4 moves before the Seachicken game...

Originally Posted by QuarlesFan

Well, my opinion changed after the last game due to injuries and guys showing up to play. Also, Torrie Cox doesn't count against the roster until the 5th week. Anyhow, those definitely making the team unless traded are:

QB: Jeff Garcia, Luke McCown, Bruce Gradkowski
RB: Cadillac Williams, Michael Pittman, Earnest Graham
FB: B.J. Askew
WR: Joey Galloway, Ike Hillard, Maurice Stovall, Michael Clayton
TE: Alex Smith, Anthony Becht, Jerramy Stevens
OT: Luke Petitgout, Jeremy Trueblood, Donald Penn
OG: Davin Joseph, Arron Sears, Anthony Davis
C: John Wade, Dan Buenning

DE: Gaines Adams, Kevin Carter, Greg Spires, Patrick Chukwurah
DT: Chris Hovan, Jovan Haye
LB: Derrick Brooks, Cato June, Barrett Ruud, Jamie Winborn, Quincy Black, Ryan Nece
CB: Ronde Barber, Brian Kelly, Phillip Buchanon, Sammy Davis, Torrie Cox
S: Tanard Jackson, Jermaine Phillips, Will Allen, Sabby Piscitelli

K: Matt Bryant
P: Josh Bidwell
LS: Andrew Economos
PR: Mark Jones

So 46 are locks not counting Torrie Cox. That leaves 7 spots open with these 17 guys fighting for them:

Chris Simms
David Boston
Kalvin Pearson
Alan Zemaitis
Julian Jenkins
Ellis Wyms
Ryan Sims
Greg Peterson
Greg White
Adam Hayward
Leon Joe
Kenneth Darby
Lionel Gates
Chas Gessner
Matt Lehr
Dennis Roland
Chris Denman

The young guys are more likely to be cut if the Bucs feel they won't be picked up by another team so they can be brought back to the practice squad unless another player at that position with more potential is out there. So, not making the cut based on that are:

Chris Denman, Dennis Roland, Lionel Gates, Kenneth Darby, Chas Gessner, Greg Peterson. So that leaves 7 spots for 11 guys.

David Boston makes it at WR so 6 spots left for 10 guys.

Bucs like to keep a 7th LB for special teams so that is either Hayward or Joe. Joe has produced on special teams with the Bears but hasn't been with the team very long while Hayward was drafted and played fairly well during the pre-season. Hayward makes it based on being drafted, playing on defense, and of course special teams. So 5 spots for 8 guys.

Next, 3 more defensive lineman are likely to be kept so the Bucs will have 9. That is either Ryan Sims, Ellis Wyms, Julian Jenkins, or Greg White. I think Ryan Sims makes it as a run stopper and natural DT, Jenkins since he is young and shown some potential this pre-season, and Greg White for the same reasons as Jenkins. Kevin Carter & Greg Spires aren't getting any younger so it would be nice to have Jenkins & White going into camp next year if Carter or Spires lose another step or get hurt. Wyms is the same age as White but has a much larger contract. Wyms can play DT though but I'm not so sure that is enough to make the team with Carter being able to play the position. If Chukwurah isn't hurt seriously Wyms gets cut leaving 2 spots for 5 guys.

Matt Lehr gets cut since Wade & Buenning can play center and younger guys like Roland or Denman or whoever can be put in practice squad for other positions. So, still 2 spots for 4 guys.

Last 3 are Simms, Pearson, and Zemaitis. If Simms goes on IR Pearson & Zemaitis make it. If Simms doesn't he obviously makes it along with Zemaitis. I'd put Simms on IR so barring any trades or player signings I'd have the final roster looking like this:

QB: Jeff Garcia, Luke McCown, Bruce Gradkowski
RB: Cadillac Williams, Michael Pittman, Earnest Graham
FB: B.J. Askew
WR: Joey Galloway, Ike Hillard, Michael Clayton, Maurice Stovall, David Boston
TE: Alex Smith, Anthony Becht, Jerramy Stevens
OT: Luke Petitgout, Jeremy Trueblood, Donald Penn
OG: Davin Joseph, Arron Sears, Anthony Davis
C: John Wade, Dan Buenning

DE: Gaines Adams, Greg Spires, Patrick Chukwurah, Julian Jenkins, Greg White
DT: Chris Hovan, Jovan Haye, Kevin Carter, Ryan Sims
LB: Derrick Brooks, Cato June, Barrett Ruud, Jamie Winborn, Quincy Black, Ryan Nece, Adam Hayward
CB: Ronde Barber, Brian Kelly, Phillip Buchanon, Sammy Davis, Alan Zemaitis, Torrie Cox
S: Tanard Jackson, Jermaine Phillips, Will Allen, Sabby Piscitelli, Kalvin Pearson

K: Matt Bryant
P: Josh Bidwell
LS: Andrew Economos
PR: Mark Jones

I wouldn't be surprised if the Bucs keep Simms, Wyms or Joe on the roster though.

Pretty close, good job.