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11-02-2003, 09:37 PM
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The Real Problem !
Face it, Gramatica is an average kicker and is starting to become a liability. Leaving three points on the field here and there are killing us.
As a premiere kicker you can not miss CUPCAKE 35 yd field goals at home. Plain and simple ! He has lost the swagger he had and should work more on kicks and less on picking fights with cornerbacks that will thump him. I am not trying to be negative, however I feel that this is a issue that should be brought up. Other than that , Go Bucs !!!
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11-02-2003, 09:38 PM
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i would agree that his game needs to improve
that kick today should have been made but we do not need to drop him id rather ride the season out with gramatica and hope he can get hot
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11-02-2003, 10:09 PM
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everyone has an off day i mean he has saved us so many times give him
a break. lets see how he performs the rest of the season
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11-02-2003, 10:18 PM
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cut the slacker!!!!!!!! the real problem is that the bucs ran their mouth by telling everyone they were the best defense of all time..........hmmmmm the football gods dont seem to like players bestowing titles upon them selves........
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11-02-2003, 10:19 PM
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So much for Autimatica huh? That wasn't the only ting left on the field though, string him up if you must but leave room for more.
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11-02-2003, 10:23 PM
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WTF!
So he missed. Gramatica is the man when it comes to kicking. Why not jus fire everyone when they screw up. Heck lets fire Brad for the INTs huh? What about Key for dropping 2 passes. Yea thats good. Then Gruden can go out and play by himself. Dont forget to fire the injured. They arent contributing anyways right? Bucs ARE FINE JUST THE WAY THEY ARE. Kinda miss Dexter tho
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11-02-2003, 10:27 PM
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I thought it may have been the turnovers?
or Tim Wansley, BJ, Quarles, Key, Pittman, Gruden etcetc. The one thing I do have question about, seen it posted a few times on this board about the strength and conditioning coach beig different this year, true? If so, the de-line does seem to be gasing late in the game, and it could be stamina, age, desire, or all 3. edit ITS TUPAS FAULT! Last edited by cubojom; 11-02-2003 at 10:28 PM..
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11-03-2003, 08:24 AM
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Please tell me how many games Gramatica has really won for us. Then I will tell you how many crucial CUPCAKE field goals he has missed. I take it back, he is not even an average kicker anymore, he is below average. In a division where we compete against, Kasey, Carney, and Feely(he isn't that great) Gramatica is the third best kicker in the NFC South. Kasey and Carney are money kickers. All you gramatica lovers need to face it, he is a liability.
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11-03-2003, 08:44 AM
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11-03-2003, 09:11 AM
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Gimme a break!
 The game was lost because of turnovers...Period. Three points would not have won this game. The offense had plenty of chances to put points on the board as they were in scoring position several times but turned the ball over. Just one person in this game is not to blame. On another note, I am concerned now. Before this game, there was plenty of optimism knowing the Bucs were only 2 plays away from being 6-1. Now 1 more game they deserved to lose. The defense played pretty tough, however there were still missed tackles that need to be addressed. cubojom, You may be right. Conditioning could be a huge factor here.
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11-03-2003, 09:20 AM
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The guy use to be so automatic. I don't know whats happened. Ever since he missed that one in Green Bay to give us a higher seed in the playoffs, he's been inconsistent.
I still think he a good kicker, but man he use to be our best weapon. Doesn't get many attempts in games this year. Went two weeks without even kicking one. I dont' know if thats got anything to do with it. But come on Gramatica we need u man. The D still only gave un 14 points most of the way. Our O and our Kicker have to get more points then that. 35 yarder. Give me a break
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11-03-2003, 09:24 AM
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11-03-2003, 09:44 AM
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The real problem is that we are a mediocre team!! They lost their hunger to win and compete as a team. It happens to most teams when they win the big one!!
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11-03-2003, 09:46 AM
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11-03-2003, 10:20 AM
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Year and years were spent with a way below average offense, and we counted on Grammatica to score our points! He won atleast 50% of our games for YEARS!!! Take a trip back to 1999 and look at the scores in those games, seem's to me there are a ton of 3 pointers in there.
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11-03-2003, 10:21 AM
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11-03-2003, 10:56 AM
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I am sure you all realized that the wind was about 20mph yesterday. The one he missed started in the middle and hooked left with the wind. The Saints kicker missed a 30 yarder. It was obviously deceiving.
2 of the missed field goals by Grammatica this year were blocked, 1 was from 57 years. Give the guy a break. I would take him over just about any kicker in the league. My biggest problem with him is the lack of hangtime and distance on kickoffs. Turnovers and a lack of depth was was killed us today, as well as the Saints having a decent game plan. The Saints came out with the exact game plan the Bucs were expecting and the Bucs still let the Saints run the ball all over us in the first half. And they also did not contain Brooks when they needed to. Finally, the O-line is banged up and the fill-ins did NOT step up. There was a lot of pressure on Brad...who obviously make a couple of BAD decisions. He seems to be playing desperate. We need to get back to the short, safe pass plays. Key played great except for the 2 drops...but he more than made up for that with some of the other plays. The defense played well after the 1st quarter and we sompletely shut them down (Except for the interception return for a touchdown), until the Bucs D went into prevent mode at the end...and could not contain Brooks and let him scramble and complete some big passes that cost the Bucs the game. Face it...the Bucs problem is NOT with Grammatica...the injuries, while critical, should not be costing us games like this one or the 49ers. We've lost our edge. Consider the last 8 games a new season...one in which the Bucs have been humbled and now its time to quit making excuses and hope our team can find a way to play with a common goal...WIN. We need to quit playing like a team that is desperate for a winning streak...looking constantly for that big play. Go Bucs...
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11-03-2003, 10:56 AM
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Right, I guess the six season ticket seats that I have had since 1979 make me a bandwaggoner. Or maybe that I haven't missed a home game in 18 yrs makes me a bandwaggoner. As tough as a time that we are having at winning at home this year, YOU CAN NOT MISS 36 YD FIELD GOALS ! PERIOD ! It doesnt matter what time in the game it is. Everyone is so quick to judge the Johnson's and Sapp, Wanseley, Pittman, etc. But face it, knowledgable football fans know that missed field goals not only hurt you in the long run but also KILL the momentum of the offense and the momentum of an already struggling special teams. Just a reality check.
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11-03-2003, 11:00 AM
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11-03-2003, 11:12 AM
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I have never been a huge Gramatica fan because of his short kickoffs. However, in years past he was always Automatica.
His kickoffs have been pretty good this season, but I have seen way to many missed field goals so far this year. Are the missed FGs Gramatica's fault? Maybe, but whatever the reason the special teams coach needs to be on the hot seat as that is most definately our weakest link. I don't know the stats, but I am willing to guess our special teams ranks one of the last in the NFL.
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11-03-2003, 11:44 AM
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Added to that is something else that many folks have alluded to - that is that, when we were an also ran, people tended to discount us, to come in expecting a mediocre effort at best. After last year, people no longer come in thinking they can look past us. Maybe many of their fans come here thinking they can, but the players are smarter than that - we get their best efforts and that means that, if we are not ready, we do not win...that little bit of extra effort is waht makes one play important. The combination of over-confidence, decreased hunger and having a bull's eye on your back is pretty deadly.
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11-03-2003, 11:59 AM
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It's true. We do have a new S&C coach and he sucks!! He sucks badly as far as I'm concerned. We've never had this many key players on the injured list in prior years. Need to get rid of his *** and get the one we had back. I don't think we are a mediocre team. I think we are a great team with a mediocre mentality right now. We lost our heart, drive and determination. It's been replaced with self-promoting, media antics, and complacency. Sickens me. It makes me wish we had never won the Super Bowl to see the attitudes now or the lack of them. 
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11-03-2003, 12:10 PM
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11-03-2003, 12:27 PM
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Just some factual evidence to back my opinion.
Grammatica's career stats: 1999 27 of 32 fgs made - 5 missed fgs 2000 28 of 34 fgs made - 6 missed fgs 2001 23 of 29 fgs made - 6 missed fgs 2002 32 of 39 fgs made - 7 missed fgs thus far this year 6 of 12 fgs made - 6 missed fgs 4 of 4 20-29 yd range 0 of 2 30-39 yd range *this is where it kills us* 1 of 3 40-49 yd range 1 of 3 50+ range Stats speak for themselves........................................ .....
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11-03-2003, 12:42 PM
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Unbelieveable! You're going to blame the whole loss on one lousy missed FG? What about all of the turnovers? Grammatica's fault too? What about the drops, the interceptions, penalties etc. All Grammatica's fault? The Buc's didn't play Buc ball and that's it plain and simple. Didn't play with heart. There was no energy in the O until the fourth quarter.
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