Keys former players, coaches.....

[STASS]

All love him? So what gives in Tampa. What went wrong. How can all these teamates and former coaches have such high praise and all of a sudden were suppose to believe that Key just won't go along with any things asked of him. We've already heard from the tuna. Heres some guys form the Jets and Herm Edwards


JET PLAYERS WANT KEYSHAWN BACK

By MARK CANNIZZARO
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KEYSHAWN JOHNSON
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November 20, 2003 -- Ray Mickens "raps" with Keyshawn Johnson often. Close friends since they came into the league together with the Jets in 1996, they spoke as recently as Tuesday, the day Johnson was blackballed by the Buccaneers, essentially ending his four-year run in Tampa.
The question on everyone's mind now, of course, is this: What's next for the loquacious wide receiver?

"Trust me, he would love to play here," Mickens said yesterday. "Believe me on that. He loves being here in New York with the big market. This is his type of gig here. He would love to come back here."

Jets players who played with Johnson before he was unceremoniously traded to the Buccaneers for two first-round draft picks before the 2000 season were unanimous in their support for a Johnson return to their locker room should he become a free agent.

"I'll go to war with him again anytime," Curtis Martin said.

"Yeah, for sure we'd welcome him back; a player like that will help any team and he would definitely be a help to us," Jets' NT Jason Ferguson said.

"No question we'd love to have him back, but I don't know if we're going to be able to afford him," Mickens said. "Any team would love to have a player like him."



The 31-year-old Johnson, as reported earlier this year in The Post, had reached out to Herman Edwards and inquired about the possibility of reuniting with the Jets and Edwards, who was a Buccaneers' assistant coach in Johnson's first season at Tampa Bay and become close with him.

So it's readily apparent that Johnson has methodically orchestrated his ouster in Tampa, forcing the Buccaneers' hand in this latest internal implosion and getting himself one step closer to being either released (most likely) or traded (unlikely).

Edwards, cautious of the NFL's strict tampering rules, had to choose his words judiciously when asked about Johnson yesterday, and he sounded most upset about the effect the public blowup will have on the league.

When asked if Johnson was a player he'd like coaching, Edwards said, "Can't talk about it. He's under contract."

Asked how his relationship was with Johnson, Edwards twice said, "Very good."

Edwards said he addressed the Johnson issue with the team in the weekly Wednesday morning meeting, saying, "I'm a little disappointed that it has to come to this in our league. It stains our league a little bit when things of this nature pop up. I'm not saying who is right or wrong. I don't know who is right or who is wrong. I don't know the situation.

"It's senseless, because they [Bucs' coach Jon Gruden and Johnson] are both competitive people and both want to win. I hate for it to have come to this. We're trying to beat Jacksonville [Sunday at Giants Stadium], and I'm talking about what happened in Tampa. To me, that's a distraction."

The Johnson issue was certainly on a number of players' minds yesterday.

Mickens, for example, found himself daydreaming about Johnson playing opposite of Santana Moss, saying, "You're talking about fantasies now, really."

Mickens, knowing Johnson's state of mind after having spoken to him, said he was "not surprised" to see Tuesday's blockbuster.

"He's just frustrated he's not more involved," Mickens said. "That's the main thing. A guy his caliber wants to be involved."

Mickens, Martin and the rest of the Jets who played with Johnson were upset to see him traded in the first place.

"He won a lot of games for us in '98," Ferguson said. "He's a competitive player. I don't know what went on down there, but we know Keyshawn is a good player on the field. He just wanted to win. He always hated to lose. That's the type of guy you want around."

Yea...that's it...let Herman Moore deal with him!

[STASS]

Originally posted by the dark
Yea...that's it...let Herman Moore deal with him!

Moore. U mean Edwards right? I think hes a great coach. I think Keys a great player. So do alot of respected people in this league.

Where's the quote from Wayne "the candle" Chrebet (sp)
.......Bill Parcells??
.......Vinny T?

Originally posted by STASS
Moore. U mean Edwards right? I think hes a great coach. I think Keys a great player. So do alot of respected people in this league.

Yea...I meant Edwards...I make that mistake constantly!

And I think Key is an above-average player - I do not think he is great and never have - I thinkthat term is drastically over-used and is not applicable in his case. Unfortunately, few people seem to include character, integrity and humility in the calculation of players' talent or greatness...that is why so many players are such stellar human beings (that IS sarcasm).

[STASS]

Originally posted by flajocar
Where's the quote from Wayne "the candle" Chrebet (sp)
.......Bill Parcells??
.......Vinny T?

The Tuna u heard from before the bucs played the cowboys. Vinny. The guy loves Keyshawn had his best year with #19. Chrebet I bet would take him back as well. Hated each other but were great compliments. Chrebet on third down was deadly with KJ

Just End The Season?

Nuff said.......... The jets are the NFL's interpetation of American Idol

the truth is that this was the result of Gruden and Keyshawn's relationship..it's no surprise that it's the player who got banned.. what would the bucs have done? banned Gruden? that's absurd..

but make no mistakes about it.. this is a direct result of Gruden's relationship with Keyshawn and the bucs needing a scapegoat

..the sole excuse for the Bucs' 4-6 record? simple.. Keyshawn Johnson

see, works just fine *watches a bunch of Bucs fans go defensive for the millionth time at the term scapegoat*

..why is it so inciteful for you bucs fans.. i dunno.. but if i was a sociologist or something.. this is an interesting case study on how defensive, as a whole, you all are in regards to this situation

Originally posted by l0rdza0n
the truth is that this was the result of Gruden and Keyshawn's relationship..it's no surprise that it's the player who got banned.. what would the bucs have done? banned Gruden? that's absurd..

but make no mistakes about it.. this is a direct result of Gruden's relationship with Keyshawn and the bucs needing a scapegoat

..the sole excuse for the Bucs' 4-6 record? simple.. Keyshawn Johnson

see, works just fine *watches a bunch of Bucs fans go defensive for the millionth time at the term scapegoat*

..why is it so inciteful for you bucs fans.. i dunno.. but if i was a sociologist or something.. this is an interesting case study on how defensive, as a whole, you all are in regards to this situation

I am not a sociologist, but I am in the human behavior field...and I find your perseveration on one idea in the face of other explanations an interesting case study. It is reminiscent of the behavior of those with severe head injuries, who, once they get an idea or approach in their head cannot get it out or see other possiblities aproaches. And they usually become rather paranoid as well...

Originally posted by the dark
I am not a sociologist, but I am in the human behavior field...and I find your perseveration on one idea in the face of other explanations an interesting case study. It is reminiscent of the behavior of those with severe head injuries, who, once they get an idea or approach in their head cannot get it out or see other possiblities aproaches. And they usually become rather paranoid as well...

LMAO!

So true.....denial = not just a river in Egypt.

[tbaybee08]

Key had his better years in New York, where he ran more and talked less..... Now he's the opposite. Sure he blocks, but he does nor run at all, he falls to his knees after pretty much every catch..

You don't yell at your coach on the sidelines during the Rams Monday night game last year, saying he's not "satisfied" with his role in the offense, what 3-4 games into the year??????

The Jets want the 1998-1999 version of Keyshawn, not the 2003 version.

They can have him.... I just hope we can get something in return..

[STASS]

Originally posted by tbaybee08
Key had his better years in New York, where he ran more and talked less..... Now he's the opposite. Sure he blocks, but he does nor run at all, he falls to his knees after pretty much every catch..

You don't yell at your coach on the sidelines during the Rams Monday night game last year, saying he's not "satisfied" with his role in the offense, what 3-4 games into the year??????

The Jets want the 1998-1999 version of Keyshawn, not the 2003 version.

They can have him.... I just hope we can get something in return..

Listen to this guy. Falls to his knees after every catch. Y do u think that is,,..... again someone who is blind and listens to only espn. BJ doesn't hit KJ in stride. Maybe its because he has no time, mabye its the designs of the plays. The guy can run but has to catch the ball in stride and in front of him. How many times to u see Key reaching for a ball behind him, outa the dirt. They've never been on the same page on slants or over the middle. He still catches it and doesn't complain. Watch when he's with someone or a system that will give him that. He'll be the same player he was. I thought it would of happened this year, it still might have once Oben and Whittle were at full strength. We've had terrible protection the entire time he's been here. Very few games in which he's been hit in stride.

We'll see. His careers not over people. I'll be proven right. I'm sorry it won't be in TB. I think it would of came together once all the injuries were cleared up.

STASS the outsiders do not know what has transpired at One Buc Place the past few weeks. The Keyshawn that we knew is no longer Keyshawn.

Originally posted by STASS
He still catches it and doesn't complain. Watch when he's with someone or a system that will give him that. He'll be the same player he was.

As long as its on HIS TERMS. Look buddy, TEAMS CAN'T WORK LIKE THAT!!! You can't have one loudmouth taking the team's attention.

I hope he will be the same player, then everyone will say, "Oh yeah, that's why they had to cut him loose..."

[Wild John]

STASS, will you quit trying to defend "your boy"?

Players come and players go, it's all part of being a fan of a team. If you can't get over KJ's departure then that's your problem. Stop trying to get everybody else involved in your drama. We should be focusing on the Giants right now.

[tbaybee08]

Originally posted by STASS
Listen to this guy. Falls to his knees after every catch. Y do u think that is,,..... again someone who is blind and listens to only espn. BJ doesn't hit KJ in stride. Maybe its because he has no time, mabye its the designs of the plays. The guy can run but has to catch the ball in stride and in front of him. How many times to u see Key reaching for a ball behind him, outa the dirt. They've never been on the same page on slants or over the middle. He still catches it and doesn't complain. Watch when he's with someone or a system that will give him that. He'll be the same player he was. I thought it would of happened this year, it still might have once Oben and Whittle were at full strength. We've had terrible protection the entire time he's been here. Very few games in which he's been hit in stride.

We'll see. His careers not over people. I'll be proven right. I'm sorry it won't be in TB. I think it would of came together once all the injuries were cleared up.

McCardell, JJ, and Pittman seem to get hit in stride??? Key drops to his knees not even looking to run at all.

If someone were to pull up a YAC (yards afetr catch) stat on Key versus JJ and Keenan it wouldn't even be close....

Stop defending him, he's gone.....

[Dy-nasty D]

STASS, there will always be people who love self-centered egotists who thumb their noses, break the rules, and whine about everything (see Rodman, T.O., Bozworth, Shockey). I could sit here and psychoanalyze these people until I'm blue in the face. Were they mistreated by their parents? Do they feel powerless in their lives? Whatever. There are always those who like to root and identify with the "bad guys".
Only you can explain why it is so in your life.

Keyshawn quotes: "Ego? I have no ego. I am just a special person who is always the best player on the field"- Duemig show

"I never yelled at Gruden" - even though millions of people saw Key get in Gruden's face, in what most would consider a threatening manner, on MNF.

Originally posted by STASS

Its obvious I'm not wanted here.

If some fans want me to stay...(don't look like it) I'll stay. If not I'm gone.

U got my word

[Wild John]

Some word huh BucsNJ?

Originally posted by Dy-nasty D
STASS, there will always be people who love self-centered egotists who thumb their noses, break the rules, and whine about everything (see Rodman, T.O., Bozworth, Shockey). I could sit here and psychoanalyze these people until I'm blue in the face. Were they mistreated by their parents? Do they feel powerless in their lives? Whatever. There are always those who like to root and identify with the "bad guys".
Only you can explain why it is so in your life.

Keyshawn quotes: "Ego? I have no ego. I am just a special person who is always the best player on the field"- Duemig show

"I never yelled at Gruden" - even though millions of people saw Key get in Gruden's face, in what most would consider a threatening manner, on MNF.

Keyshawn and O.J.
Another U.S C. alumni who grew up poor in the hoods of L. A. was Mr. O.J. Simpson. All the money in the world can't change ones character, and I see a certain unhappiness and ungratefulness and tremendous greed in both of these guys(not to mention ego). We've had a habit of drafting players with character, and have made a few exceptions mostly through free agency. The old adage"a few rotten apples will ruin the whole bunch" applies here. Management did the right thing. Chou Keyshawn, good luck.

[STASS]

Originally posted by Dy-nasty D
STASS, there will always be people who love self-centered egotists who thumb their noses, break the rules, and whine about everything (see Rodman, T.O., Bozworth, Shockey). I could sit here and psychoanalyze these people until I'm blue in the face. Were they mistreated by their parents? Do they feel powerless in their lives? Whatever. There are always those who like to root and identify with the "bad guys".
Only you can explain why it is so in your life.

Keyshawn quotes: "Ego? I have no ego. I am just a special person who is always the best player on the field"- Duemig show

"I never yelled at Gruden" - even though millions of people saw Key get in Gruden's face, in what most would consider a threatening manner, on MNF.

hey man I agree with u. I just don't see Key as those kind of players. Key never came out and told the media he wasn't going to be here after this year. TB did. Gruden did. He was ready to work hard for the rest of the year.

TO is in a totally different league. Sharpie celebrating all the time on the field (little out of control) Yelling at people all the time. Key had one blowout with Gruden on national TV. All the other stuff is people asking him questions and he isn't sugar coating it. Like our head coach Jon Gruden. Telling us every other week how much he like Key nad blah blah blah. Key was at least up front and didn't lie. Plus he kept his feelings mostly to himself and out of the media. Except for that ESPN interview. But I would not put him in the same league as TO. Plus the guy has never taken a play off, and a down off, or a game off.

Originally posted by STASS
hey man I agree with u. I just don't see Key as those kind of players. Key never came out and told the media he wasn't going to be here after this year. TB did. Gruden did. He was ready to work hard for the rest of the year.

TO is in a totally different league. Sharpie celebrating all the time on the field (little out of control) Yelling at people all the time. Key had one blowout with Gruden on national TV. All the other stuff is people asking him questions and he isn't sugar coating it. Like our head coach Jon Gruden. Telling us every other week how much he like Key nad blah blah blah. Key was at least up front and didn't lie. Plus he kept his feelings mostly to himself and out of the media. Except for that ESPN interview. But I would not put him in the same league as TO. Plus the guy has never taken a play off, and a down off, or a game off.

Stass

"Plus the guy has never taken a play off, and a down off, or a game off. [/B][/QUOTE] "

Ah, yes he did take himself out of Colts game with bruise thigh he admitted he could of played with, put the "Great Megone " assumed his services were not needed , I suppose 'cause he assumed we were too far ahead. Another judgement error. Turns out he is a prophet, HIS SERVICES ARE NOT NEEDED ANYMORE!. Chou Key, it's like s divorce, and things have changed, and we are better off without him. In parting, Thank you Key for 2002, and you got your ring. Now you can take your selfish childlike @ attitude to your next adventure. Enjoy your $170,000 a week salary paid for by Bucs fans. Sic #@$ ****

[Dy-nasty D]

I love Key as a player. He's tough as nails, and is very physical. But, unlike great players, he is not about the team. The team and the wins are about glorifying himself. The best players need to set a work ethic, off the field as well as on the field, to inspire the lesser players. Think Michael Jordan, a great, great, talent. But he didn't abuse his gift to lord it over the rest of the team. He was also a great leader. It is the difference between a Jordan and an Iverson. And it is the difference between a Key and a D. Brooks.