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Old 02-20-2005, 11:38 PM
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A good Draft/FA plan for the Bucs....

We could be really good with this in our future:

1st round - Cadillac Williams RB Auburn
http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/pla...cwilliams.html
2nd round - Mike Nugent K Ohio St
http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/pla...ikenugent.html
3rd Mike Patterson DT USC http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/pla...patterson.html
3rd round - Chris Colmer OT NC State
http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/pla...riscolmer.html
4th round - CJ Brooks OG Maryland
http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/pla.../cjbrooks.html
5th round -Alfred Fincher LB Connecticut
http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/pla...edfincher.html
6th round - J.R. Russell WR Louisville
http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/pla...jrrussell.html
6th round - Anthony Davis RB Wisconsin http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/pla...honydavis.html
7th round - Cedrick Williams CB Kansas St.
http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/pla...kwilliams.html

1st round- Cadillac is a no brainer; I love Mike Williams but we are deeper at WR than we are at RB if we resign Galloway.
2nd round - Nugent would finally give us a kicker we can count on, especially when you consider how many games we have lost in the last 2 years b/c of the kicking game alone...we NEED THIS GUY!!!
3rd round - 2 positions we need depth in; Colmer will be a good run tackle and Patterson is perfect for TB: quickness and speed
4th round - in case our FA guards we have gathered recently dont pan out, Brooks is a good pick up here
5th round - this guy will be a great ST player if he cant get passed Nece or Marquis Cooper
6th - Davis is insurance for Graham and if we let 2 RB go in FA; if his attitude is right, his talent is about 3rd/4th round....Russell seems to be a hidden gem here....plus he played in a pro style offense at Louisville....
7th round - his age seems to be his hang up but we will take him if he is as good as some say about him, especially in round 7

Lineup
QB - Brian Griese
RB - Cadillac Williams - R
FB - Jamel Cook
WR - Michael Clayton
WR - Jerry Porter
WR - Joey Galloway
TE - Bubba Franks - free agent pick up
OT - LJ Shelton - free agent pick up
OT - Anthony Davis
OG - Matt Stinchcomb
C - John Wade
OG - Cosey Coleman
OT -Chris Colmer - R

DE - Simeon Rice
DT - Anthony McFarland
DT - Chartic Darby
DE - Dewayne White
OLB - Ian Gold
MLB - Shelton Quarles
OLB - Derrick Brooks
CB - Ronde Barber
CB - Brian Kelly
SS - Dwight Smith
FS - Dexter Jackson

Cuts/Trades/Should Not resign
Brad Johnson
Tim Brown
Charlie Garner
Rickey Dudley
Todd Steusie
Matt O Dwyer
Greg Comella
Kenyatta Walker
Chiti Ahonitu

Backups That will help us:
Will Allen
Jermaine Phillips
Charles Lee
Joe Jurivecious
Mike Alstott
Mario Edwards

Questionable:
Michael Pittman
Derrick Deese
Ken Dilger
Ellis Wyms
Greg Spires
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Old 02-20-2005, 11:39 PM
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I won't take the time to bother reading all that... I stopped when I saw ONLY ONE OFFENSIVE LINEMAN in your whole "draft".

Um... that's kinda like our biggest need IMO.
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Old 02-20-2005, 11:41 PM
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2 lineman, if you go back and check:
Chris Colmer OT
CJ Brooks OG

AND

LJ Shelton FA pick up...

read a little closer...
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Old 02-20-2005, 11:41 PM
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Yeah, I stopped after seeing the first two draft picks.

Cadillac is harshly overrated and taking a K in the 2nd is just plain ridiculous.
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Old 02-20-2005, 11:51 PM
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Yeah, I stopped after seeing the first two draft picks.

Cadillac is harshly overrated and taking a K in the 2nd is just plain ridiculous.
I actually read the bucs were thinking of spending a third rounder on P Dustin Colquitt. Taking a kicker (Nugent), makes sense as well, as it would lock them with a great kicker, and free up over half a million in cap space. However, if they can't get him with their first 3rd pick, they will live...

that offensive line overhaul is interesting, but most of your free agent drops / pickups are simply unrealistic, as cap hits would never allow them to come to fruition.

Bubba Franks would be a great addition, but I don't think that the Bucs will have them on the top of their list, and it looks like the Packers are on the verge of locking him up to a fat contract and actually will throw him the ball next year (fantasy hint )
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Old 02-20-2005, 11:53 PM
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Bubba Franks would be a great addition, but I don't think that the Bucs will have them on the top of their list, and it looks like the Packers are on the verge of locking him up to a fat contract and actually will throw him the ball next year (fantasy hint )
There is talk of the Packers maybe Franchising him.

The one FA I would love for the Bucs to pick up is Jerry Porter. That will be the one guy I will be keeping my eye on till he signs somewhere.
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Old 02-20-2005, 11:55 PM
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Why would Gruden WASTE a good 2nd pick on a kicker?
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Old 02-20-2005, 11:56 PM
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Why would Gruden WASTE a good 2nd pick on a kicker?
Because we wasted about 3 games due to one.
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Old 02-20-2005, 11:59 PM
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Yea, we're gonna sign all 11 draft picks, Griese, Galloway, PORTER, and other FAs as well.

Seriously. Where's the part about Alexander starting @ RB too.
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Old 02-21-2005, 12:00 AM
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Yea, we're gonna sign all 11 draft picks, Griese, Galloway, PORTER, and other FAs as well.

Seriously. Where's the part about Alexander starting @ RB too.
I definately think the Bucs will be more selective in FA. Hopefully going more with quality than quantity.
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Old 02-21-2005, 12:01 AM
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Why would Gruden WASTE a good 2nd pick on a kicker?

Many have this kid potentially going earlier. He may not even BE there when we pick in the second.

Parity has caught the league and Kickers are essential.

Just ask OUR team after Automattica stopped being so automattica...

Nugent is nails man.
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Old 02-21-2005, 12:02 AM
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This is insane - what makes you think your projected roster fits the salary cap. Oh is that your madden roster. Not that I would do it, but Allen & Gruden did draft a kicker in the 1st round. So a kicker in the 2nd round could happen.
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Old 02-21-2005, 12:05 AM
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Because we wasted about 3 games due to one.
more than that.... when you consider how close the margin of loss for the Bucs over the past two seasons (less than a TD) and that we had 32nd rated kicking game over that time... it's paramount the need the Bucs have for a quality reliable kicker.

Also, the fact that the Patriots won 3 of the last 4 superbowls by a field goal... just illustrates the importance of a clutch kicker.

Just like Kaeding, if we draft Nugent in the third round... I expect him to struggle, but he will be a gem on any team. Vinatieri was a horrible kicker his first season or so, and it's likely that we'll have to deal with some growing pains if we draft him.

Plus we aren't spending the 2nd round pick on him, and he probably won't fall to the 5th pick in the third round.
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Old 02-21-2005, 12:05 AM
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We could be really good with this in our future:

1st round - Cadillac Williams RB Auburn
http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/pla...cwilliams.html
2nd round - Mike Nugent K Ohio St
http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/pla...ikenugent.html
3rd Mike Patterson DT USC http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/pla...patterson.html
3rd round - Chris Colmer OT NC State
http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/pla...riscolmer.html
4th round - CJ Brooks OG Maryland
http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/pla.../cjbrooks.html
5th round -Alfred Fincher LB Connecticut
http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/pla...edfincher.html
6th round - J.R. Russell WR Louisville
http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/pla...jrrussell.html
6th round - Anthony Davis RB Wisconsin http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/pla...honydavis.html
7th round - Cedrick Williams CB Kansas St.
http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/pla...kwilliams.html

1st round- Cadillac is a no brainer; I love Mike Williams but we are deeper at WR than we are at RB if we resign Galloway.
2nd round - Nugent would finally give us a kicker we can count on, especially when you consider how many games we have lost in the last 2 years b/c of the kicking game alone...we NEED THIS GUY!!!
3rd round - 2 positions we need depth in; Colmer will be a good run tackle and Patterson is perfect for TB: quickness and speed
4th round - in case our FA guards we have gathered recently dont pan out, Brooks is a good pick up here
5th round - this guy will be a great ST player if he cant get passed Nece or Marquis Cooper
6th - Davis is insurance for Graham and if we let 2 RB go in FA; if his attitude is right, his talent is about 3rd/4th round....Russell seems to be a hidden gem here....plus he played in a pro style offense at Louisville....
7th round - his age seems to be his hang up but we will take him if he is as good as some say about him, especially in round 7

Lineup
QB - Brian Griese
RB - Cadillac Williams - R
FB - Jamel Cook
WR - Michael Clayton
WR - Jerry Porter
WR - Joey Galloway
TE - Bubba Franks - free agent pick up
OT - LJ Shelton - free agent pick up
OT - Anthony Davis
OG - Matt Stinchcomb
C - John Wade
OG - Cosey Coleman
OT -Chris Colmer - R

DE - Simeon Rice
DT - Anthony McFarland
DT - Chartic Darby
DE - Dewayne White
OLB - Ian Gold
MLB - Shelton Quarles
OLB - Derrick Brooks
CB - Ronde Barber
CB - Brian Kelly
SS - Dwight Smith
FS - Dexter Jackson

Cuts/Trades/Should Not resign
Brad Johnson
Tim Brown
Charlie Garner
Rickey Dudley
Todd Steusie
Matt O Dwyer
Greg Comella
Kenyatta Walker
Chiti Ahonitu

Backups That will help us:
Will Allen
Jermaine Phillips
Charles Lee
Joe Jurivecious
Mike Alstott
Mario Edwards

Questionable:
Michael Pittman
Derrick Deese
Ken Dilger
Ellis Wyms
Greg Spires

I didn't read your FA picks but I could deal with most of your draft except 2nd Rounder. I think you won me over with that Davis selection in the 6th though...






I think if he can stay healthy, he could be a force
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Old 02-21-2005, 12:11 AM
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We could be really good with this in our future:

Lineup
QB - Brian Griese
RB - Cadillac Williams - R
FB - Jamel Cook
WR - Michael Clayton
WR - Jerry Porter
WR - Joey Galloway
TE - Bubba Franks - free agent pick up
OT - LJ Shelton - free agent pick up
OT - Anthony Davis
OG - Matt Stinchcomb
C - John Wade
OG - Cosey Coleman
OT -Chris Colmer - R

DE - Simeon Rice
DT - Anthony McFarland
DT - Chartic Darby
DE - Dewayne White
OLB - Ian Gold
MLB - Shelton Quarles
OLB - Derrick Brooks
CB - Ronde Barber
CB - Brian Kelly
SS - Dwight Smith
FS - Dexter Jackson

Cuts/Trades/Should Not resign
Brad Johnson
Tim Brown
Charlie Garner
Rickey Dudley
Todd Steusie
Matt O Dwyer
Greg Comella
Kenyatta Walker
Chiti Ahonitu

Backups That will help us:
Will Allen
Jermaine Phillips
Charles Lee
Joe Jurivecious
Mike Alstott
Mario Edwards
Hahahahahaha!!!

Really, I mean really is that how we are going to look at this?

Jermaine Phillips as a backup with a new contract and a good season under his belt. Additionally, HE IS 25 and growing every pratice!! Moreover, how many 6'2" 225lb safties that can run and learned from a future hall of famer are in the league? Get real.

Where is Spires in your lineup? He had a great year and deserves to be able to fight to retain his spot.

Keep Mario "Burnt Toast" Edwards?!?!? Are you serious man or did you not watch any games?

Sign Franks, Porter, Galloway, Smith, Coleman(FA this year) and Shelton; where exactly is the money coming from?
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Old 02-21-2005, 12:20 AM
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where exactly is the money coming from?
He forgot to add the salary cap tree in FA pickups.
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Old 02-21-2005, 12:22 AM
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L.J. Shelton is not a FA. The Cardinals are trying trade him and he visited Buffalo to work out a trade. The Cards need a RB and Buffalo is shopping Henry, so it all makes sense. If we wanted him we would probably have to give up our 2nd rd pick. So there no way we can have both Shelton and Nugent.
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Old 02-21-2005, 12:24 AM
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He forgot to add the salary cap tree in FA pickups.
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Old 02-21-2005, 12:27 AM
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Yeah, I stopped after seeing the first two draft picks.

Cadillac is harshly overrated and taking a K in the 2nd is just plain ridiculous.
That is where I stopped as well.
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Old 02-21-2005, 12:27 PM
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Jason Jimenez....he is huge (6'7" - 330)....he is going to be the surprise of the training camp this year! Mark my words...he will be a great lineman for the Bucs! You heard it here first!
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Old 02-21-2005, 12:37 PM
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I don't like it. Caddy is a bad pick. Unless you know the guy is the next LT, don't give a rookie RB a 12M signing bonus when we could get Lamont Jordan for half that at the most. RB's just don't get that much in free agency unless they are elite. It would be cheaper to get a good RB in free agency and draft a WR rather than draft a RB and sign a WR.
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Old 02-21-2005, 12:43 PM
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I'd bet you my house that the Bucs won't select Carnell Williams with the 5th pick.
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Old 02-21-2005, 01:34 PM
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and Patterson wont be there in the 3rd.
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Old 02-21-2005, 04:39 PM
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Yeah, I stopped after seeing the first two draft picks.

Cadillac is harshly overrated and taking a K in the 2nd is just plain ridiculous.
4real. i HOPE we dont look like that when the year starts. I dont want Caddy especially w/ the 5th pick.

And a K with the 36 overall? LMAO
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Old 02-21-2005, 05:12 PM
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Ya, Nuget aint bad, but he's not gonna go earlier than the 3rd round. It would be stupid to draft him with what is very close to a 1st round pick. I'd pick him with our mid 3rd rounder.

As for Patterson, he'll probably go 1st or 2nd round.

Next, why would you cut these guys?
Kenyatta Walker
Chiti Ahonitu

Mind you that his "Backups That will help us" list looks like this:
Will Allen
Jermaine Phillips
Charles Lee (Ya, he'll be back alright)
Joe Jurivecious (Jurevicius* I believe)
Mike Alstott (Don't count on it, but if he is back, he'll still be our best FB.... dunno what he's donig on this list either way)
Mario Edwards (You actually expect him to help? Might as well put Stinchcomb on this list.)
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Old 02-21-2005, 05:59 PM
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Why would Gruden WASTE a good 2nd pick on a kicker?

I'm not for drafting a kicker that high, but our kicking killed us man. If the Bucs draft a kicker that high, I could understand.....only if he is a stud. Remember, Gruden did get Janikowski. He's pretty good
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